Johnzzy:
I think Ozil brought this on himself.

You don't associate with a character like Erdogan and not expect a massive backlash. It's just like taking a picture with Bashar al-Assad, claiming he's your root, while you play for Israel.

He was naive.

The deal breaker was when Joachim Low asked him to do a joint press conference to clear the air. Bros started beating around the bush.

Given his level of influence and reach, he should be more discreet next time.

Oga you go school joor!

Good for him
Next time avoid people like this fanatical turkish preaodent
Even in abuja they discriminate

Sharpshooota:
If France was knocked out in the group stage



They would have deported pogba... Kante.. Etc back to Africa by now

immigrant players were blamed for their poor performances in 2010 and 2014... Zidane was made public enemy number one by far right politicians in 2006...

aribisala0:
You are the one that is naive? The reality is he is being scapegoated because he is Turkish

What kind of "Character" is Erdogan? Do you know him? What are the sources of information you have about him?


How is Netanyahu Trump Obama or Sarkozy a better character?

You think you are thinkig your own thoughts but do not realize you are just running an App.
You are condittioned to believe that Western leaders are nice cuddly people when they are responsible for most of the bloodshed we have seen over the last 50 years.
When the US killed millions in Viet Nam and Iraq did you get any alternative source of media questioning their leaders.
Today they have completely blacked out news from Yemen

It is said until Lions develop their own storytellers the tale of the hunt will belong to man. If you believe that Western leaders are nice people then you are the most naive

Your Israel Analogy is wack.

Is Germany at War with Turkey?

The analogy was wrong, I agreed. But Erdoğan is like Sisi of Egypt or late Sadam of Iraq, they don't care about how many citizens had to die just for them to be power perpetually.

aribisala0:
You are the one that is naive? The reality is he is being scapegoated because he is Turkish

What kind of "Character" is Erdogan? Do you know him? What are the sources of information you have about him?


How is Netanyahu Trump Obama or Sarkozy a better character?

You think you are thinkig your own thoughts but do not realize you are just running an App.
You are condittioned to believe that Western leaders are nice cuddly people when they are responsible for most of the bloodshed we have seen over the last 50 years.
When the US killed millions in Viet Nam and Iraq did you get any alternative source of media questioning their leaders.
Today they have completely blacked out news from Yemen

It is said until Lions develop their own storytellers the tale of the hunt will belong to man. If you believe that Western leaders are nice people then you are the most naive

Your Israel Analogy is wack.

Is Germany at War with Turkey?

I was going to reply that poster, but I see you have already done justice to it. He is one of those the media have conditioned to believe that Erdogan and Bashar al Assad are dictators, whilst Donald Trump, Macron, and Theresa May are angels.

tbaba1234:


I disagree. It is selective disgust. Ozil is as much Turkish as he is German. He is not a politician. Playing for Germany does not mean he should abandon the other part of him.

There are many tyrants in the world. Do you think he will get this much heat if he took the same pictures with Sisi or Netanyanhu? All of whom have their fair share of failings?

Racists were just looking for an excuse to attack him and they got it.

May God bless you abundantly for saying this.. Lothar Mathius that played for Germany met with Putin, and the media didnt say anything. A meeting at a time when the West and Putin is having big troubles.. Like Karl Heinz said, the German Football federation is ran by amateurs and the current president of the federation is a well known populist racist... why elect such a person for an office like that?
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kjhova:


Mesut Ozil did himself no favours with this bolded line. Considering the diplomatic issues between Germany and Turkey and the general atmosphere in Europe presently concerning immigration and the rise of the right wing parties, he should know better.

This is very much like Kelechi Iheanacho taking pictures with Nnamdi Kanu (when he was still alive?!?!?) or Ahmed Musa seen on tape with Abubakar Shekau..ok maybe not that7 dramatic but you get the picture, ehn?

What are you saying? Erdogan is a president of a federal republic, not a terrorist leader.
Meanwhile, he's being hated so much for the way he handled the aftermath of the 2016 failed coup. Now tell me if the German chancellor wouldn't do worse than that?
Racism is racism, period.

kjhova:


Mesut Ozil did himself no favours with this bolded line. Considering the diplomatic issues between Germany and Turkey and the general atmosphere in Europe presently concerning immigration and the rise of the right wing parties, he should know better.

This is very much like Kelechi Iheanacho taking pictures with Nnamdi Kanu (when he was still alive?!?!?) or Ahmed Musa seen on tape with Abubakar Shekau..ok maybe not that dramatic but you get the picture, ehn?

Is Erdogan a terrorist like Shekau? or a seccesionist like Kalu? nope, he is the democratically elected Head of State of Turkey!! your comparisons made no sense, sorry..

Life is like that. Accept the good side and live on. www.globatmudschool.com. Get trained and Join the oil industry

Nice quote this morning to motivate the week smart work.
Bravo sir

wristbangle:
Success is famous while failure is obscure. People hail you when things are sweet yet tongue lash you the moment things turn sour.

One should never do things to please people. Please God, yourself and your family ( wife and children).

I thought the Germans are non racist people. Not only they are racist but as well an ingrate.

tbaba1234:


Netayanhu is a tyrant with what is going on in the west bank and Gaza but that is a discussion for another day. One man's tyrant is another man's hero.

He has no blame here in my opinion. He met Ergodan at a charity event. Should he cover his face and run away?

I agree with you that Netanyahu is a right wing tyrant and the evidence is quite glearing with the incresing apartheid policies being emplaced in Israel daily. However, Ozil cannot be excused for his gaffe. Meeting Erdogan is a no no even if at church! You are German and your country is at loggerhead with Turkey. As a celebrity figure, you hould know that such photo-up is a big propaganda win for Turkey.

kjhova:


I agree with you that Netanyahu is a right wing tyrant and the evidence is quite glearing with the incresing apartheid policies being emplaced in Israel daily. However, Ozil cannot be excused for his gaffe. Meeting Erdogan is a no no even if at church! You are German and your country is at loggerhead with Turkey. As a celebrity figure, you hould know that such photo-up is a big propaganda win for Turkey.

Lothar matthäus took pictures with Putin and Germany is at odds with Russia and there was no outrage.'

Ozil is Turkish and Erdogan is the Turkish president. They met in a charity event.. What do you want him to do exactly? He is not a politician.

It is selective Outrage.

maasoap:


The analogy was wrong, I agreed. But Erdoğan is like Sisi of Egypt or late Sadam of Iraq, they don't care about how many citizens had to die just for them to be power perpetually.

Like Sadaam? What do you know about Sadaam?
How is Netanyahu or Obama better than Sadaam?

It is useful to question what you think you know and how you know it? Does the US care how many millions of people have to die so it can dominate the World?

When was the last time you listened to Turkish Radio or watched Turkish TV.

You form your opinions based on what the West want you to think.
I am sure that Erdogan is no different from Obama or Clinton or Putin.

You mentioned Sisi? What do you know about Sisi?

Stop ,pause and think. These things that you know about the World as told by western media are they reality?

Does the Western media tell you the truth about Israel? about Saudi Arabia or Yemen ?

let me tell you something. In the last 10 years or so. A major change was made to the funding of the BBC. The BBC in addition to licence fee now receives a significant part of its funding from the Foreign Office.
Why might that be?
These same Western nations told you Sadaam was a bad guy. Maybe you are not old enough to remember the Iraq- Iran war and how the West made Sadaam .Then he was a good guy

Again the Muhahiddin in Afghanistan were made by the West to counter the Soviets then they were good guys

The reality is that Western media is not just about informing it is also about misinforming or NOT informing as part of goernment policy with the main consideration being Western interest.
Do not believe a person is a bad guy because CNN tells you that. CNN is not the Red Cross or Good Samaritans. They are part of Western propaganda in the way that RT is Russian propaganda.

To really understand what is going on you need to put your mind in the 19th century context in which European countries sat down with a map of Africa and divided it.

Much worse is going on today in a more refiined format and the strategy has succeeded fully when folk like you with less than 1% of the facts can sit down and believe Erdogn is a bad guy and Merkel is a good guy

How come Mugabe is a bad guy but Museveni,and Paul Biya are not. It all comes down to one word. Interests.

The moment you do not protect Western interests they will demonize you and if possible overthrow or kill you.

The same thing they did 100 years ago to Jaja of Opobo, Kosoko of Lagos they did to Sankara,Ghadaffi,Sadaam and many more.

tbaba1234:


I disagree. It is selective disgust. Ozil is as much Turkish as he is German. He is not a politician. Playing for Germany does not mean he should abandon the other part of him.

There are many tyrants in the world. Do you think he will get this much heat if he took the same pictures with Sisi or Netanyanhu? All of whom have their fair share of failings?

Racists were just looking for an excuse to attack him and they got it.

I disagree with you. He is not the only Turk/German who took a picture with Erdogan. But he made himself stupid in the following ways;
1. He titled the picture "My President". While ordinarily this might not be wrong, but this comes at a time of severe strained relationship between turkey and Germany.
2. He refused to sing the German national anthem with the team before their matches. What signal I she sending to the Germans?
3. With that picture, he allowed himself to be used as a propaganda tool in the upcoming election in turkey. An election Germany refused to let Erdogan campaign in their country sighting his human rights records(amongst others).

I would not have selected him for the world cup if I was the coach.

ajl:


Not a good analogy. True that Germany has issues with Turkey president but not comparable with Israel - Syria relationship.You want a player to deny his roots because he play for the national team. Better keep your team and give me my sanity.

I agree with you. However I'm emphasising on "clearing the air".

Whatever he did was his choice, can't judge him. My own point is, clear the air on time so that naysayers don't have anything to blame you on.

aribisala0:
Like Sadaam? What do you know about Sadaam?
How is Netanyahu or Obama better than Sadaam?

It is useful to question what you think you know and how you know it? Does the US care how many millions of people have to die so it can dominate the World?

When was the last time you listened to Turkish Radio or watched Turkish TV.

You form your opinions based on what the West want you to think.
I am sure that Erdogan is no different from Obama or Clinton or Putin.

You mentioned Sisi? What do you know about Sisi?

Stop ,pause and think. These things that you know about the World as told by western media are they reality?

Does the Western media tell you the truth about Israel? about Saudi Arabia or Yemen ?

let me tell you something. In the last 10 years or so. A major change was made to the funding of the BBC. The BBC in addition to licence fee now receives a significant part of its funding from the Foreign Office.

These same Western nations told you Sadaam was a bad guy. Maybe you are not old enough to remember the Iraq- Iran war and how the West made Sadaam .Then he was a good guy

Again the Muhahiddin in Afghanistan were made by the West to counter the Soviets then they were good guys

The reality is that Western media is not just about informing it is also about misinforming or NOT informing as part of goernment policy with the main consideration being Western interest.
Do not believe a person is a bad guy because CNN tells you that. CNN is not the Red Cross or Good Samaritans. They are part of Western propaganda in the way that RT is Russian propaganda.

To really understand what is going on you need to put your mind in the 19th century context in which European countries sat down with a map of Africa and divided it.

Much worse is going on today in a more refiined format and the strategy has succeeded fully when folk like you with less than 1% of the facts can sit down and believe Erdogn is a bad guy and Merkel is a good guy

How come Mugabe is a bad guy but Museveni,and Paul Biya are not. It all comes down to one word. Interests.

The moment you do not protect Western interests they will demonize you and if possible overthrow or kill you.

The same thing they did 100 years ago to Jaja of Opobo, Kosoko of Lagos they did to Sankara,Ghadaffi,Sadaam and many more.

My thoughts exactly. The west has painted Erdogan, Rouhani, and the likes has bad guys while Merkel, Trump, Putin are the saints. Hypocrisy!

Germans are still very uncomfortable with non-Germanic people as citizens. They had one of the most restrictive nationality laws in Western Europe until around decade plus ago. Dual citizenship for non-EU people is in theory not allowed. People just go behind and collect original nationality again.

Their idea is that they had no colonies. But they had: Namibia, Togo and Cameroon. And lost them at end of first world war!

aribisala0:
You are the one that is naive? The reality is he is being scapegoated because he is Turkish

What kind of "Character" is Erdogan? Do you know him? What are the sources of information you have about him?


How is Netanyahu Trump Obama or Sarkozy a better character?

You think you are thinkig your own thoughts but do not realize you are just running an App.
You are condittioned to believe that Western leaders are nice cuddly people when they are responsible for most of the bloodshed we have seen over the last 50 years.
When the US killed millions in Viet Nam and Iraq did you get any alternative source of media questioning their leaders.
Today they have completely blacked out news from Yemen

It is said until Lions develop their own storytellers the tale of the hunt will belong to man. If you believe that Western leaders are nice people then you are the most naive

Your Israel Analogy is wack.

Is Germany at War with Turkey?

Lol, that's not my point. Gundogan also has Turkish roots but that's beside the point.

My own is Ozil should have come out to clear the air since to avoid this storm.

Erdogan? Bros, have you been following Middle Eastern politics? Erdogan no be pesin na.

nawtyme:

I disagree with you.

I disagree with your disagreement.
There is no reason why he could not be photographed with Erdogan.
Germany is not at war with Turkey
Both are members of NATO and indeed are friendly nations with strong ties culturally and politically.

There is no official quarrel between the two nations.

Turkey is not subject to any sanctions from Germany,the EU or the UN .

Johnzzy:


Lol, that's not my point. Gundogan also has Turkish roots but that's beside the point.

My own is Ozil should have come out to clear the air since to avoid this storm.

Erdogan? Bros, have you been following Middle Eastern politics? Erdogan no be pesin na.

There is nothing, he would do to make things better. The right wing guys had their target and went for it...

tbaba1234:


Lothar matthäus took pictures with Putin and Germany is at odds with Russia and there was no outrage.'

Ozil is Turkish and Erdogan is the Turkish president. They met in a charity event.. What do you want him to do exactly? He is not a politician.

It is selective Outrage.

How is Germany at odds with Russia? What issues do they have with each other compared to turkey asking Germany to close its military base in turkey and leave the country. I am waiting.

aribisala0:
I disagree with your disagreement.
There is no reason why he could not be photographed with Erdogan.
Germany is not at war with Turkey
Both are members of NATO and indeed are friendly nations with strong ties culturally and politically.

There is no official quarrel between the two nations.

Turkey is not subject to any sanctions from Germany,the EU or the UN .

Reply to my modified post

Johnzzy:


Lol, that's not my point. Gundogan also has Turkish roots but that's beside the point.

My own is Ozil should have come out to clear the air since to avoid this storm.

Erdogan? Bros, have you been following Middle Eastern politics? Erdogan no be pesin na.

How is Obama or Netanyahu more of a "pesin" than Erdogan.

What has he done that the Chnese leader has not done worse?

Do you know how many people were killed in Iraq because of a LIE

What prominence does the media gve to the fact that the Iraq invasion was based on A LIE

When you talk about following Middle East politics I ask what are the sources?

If you want to know what is happening in the Middle East go to Palestine go to Saudi Arabia and go to Yemen

Do you ever hear the name of the Saudi King being criticized in the Western media. Even after veryy strong links with 9/11?

In the 60s millions of VietNamese were killed many of them civillians killed by barbaric bombs of the US but that was spun as fighting for democracy and No American President has ever been labelled a bad guy despite the fact that singularly no other head of state has killed more people in the last 100 years

nawtyme:

I disagree with you. He is not the only Turk/German who took a picture with Erdogan. But he made himself stupid in the following ways;
1. He titled the picture "My President". While ordinarily this might not be wrong, but this comes at a time of severe strained relationship between turkey and Germany.
2. He refused to sing the German national anthem with the team before their matches. What signal I she sending to the Germans?
3. With that picture, he allowed himself to be used as a propaganda tool in the upcoming election in turkey. An election Germany refused to let Erdogan campaign in their country sighting his human rights records(amongst others).

I would not have selected him for the world cup if I was the coach.

1. Ozil is turkish as much as he is German. He has taken several pictures with Erdogan over the years and has probably captioned it similarly without any problem. Lothar Matthaus took pictures with Putin without backlash.
2. Ozil has served Germany loyally since 2009 with distinction whether he sings or not is irrelevant. He has given the whole of his international career to Germany when he had another option. No one noticed him not singing when he won the world cup for them.
3. Ozil is not a politician. Politicians can use anything as a propaganda tool. That is why they are politicians. I do not see how he would have avoided Erdogan when they came for the same charity event.

4. Ozil was selected for his footballing ability not his politics.

nawtyme:

I disagree with you. He is not the only Turk/German who took a picture with Erdogan. But he made himself stupid in the following ways;
1. He titled the picture "My President". While ordinarily this might not be wrong, but this comes at a time of severe strained relationship between turkey and Germany.
2. He refused to sing the German national anthem with the team before their matches. What signal I she sending to the Germans?
3. With that picture, he allowed himself to be used as a propaganda tool in the upcoming election in turkey. An election Germany refused to let Erdogan campaign in their country sighting his human rights records(amongst others).

I would not have selected him for the world cup if I was the coach.

Honestly this post shows no originality of thought and is just parroting what is in the media

Can you substantiate the claim that he refused to sing the German National anthem?
Does Boateng sing the Anthem? Does Khedira?

nawtyme:

How is Germany at odds with Russia? What issues do they have with each other compared to turkey asking Germany to close its military base in turkey and leave the country. I am waiting.

How is Germany at odds with Turkey? Are they at odds with the US? . Is there a German military base in Russia? Your logic is baffling

Countries always have disagreements that does not mean they are at war. Is the US at war with the EU when it slammed tarriffs on them?

nawtyme:

How is Germany at odds with Russia? What issues do they have with each other compared to turkey asking Germany to close its military base in turkey and leave the country. I am waiting.

The EU has placed sanctions on Russia for its actions in Crimea. The EU has been forced to release condemnation of Russia's actions in recent years. The Eu has no sanctions for Turkey, Turkey is still a part of NATO.

aribisala0:
How is Germany at odds with Turkey? Are they at odds with the US? . Is there a German military base in Russia? Your logic is baffling

Countries always have disagreements that does not mean they are at war. Is the US at war with the EU when it slammed tarriffs on them?

Germany has a military base in turkey. Turkey asked them to close the base and leave.
Germany refused to let Erdogan campaign in turkey based on human rights records, etc.
Germany imposed economic sanctions on turkey for its 2 years state of emergency. The sanctions was lifted yesterday when the state of emergency was ended last week.
Turkey has repeatedly threatened Germany to release migrants into EU should it not be allowed to join the EU
So turkey has issues with Germany.
On the other hand, EU not Germany has issues with Russia because of Crimea, a move sponsored by the US.
Russia supplies the EU and Germany with GAS, UK included.
Merkel is a close ally of Putin. She has visited him several and he has done the same with gifts exchanged.
Germany as a country has no issues with Russia.

That is the difference

All this one that all of you are saying...OZIL HAS DECIDED TO RETIRE FROM THE GERMAN NATIONAL TEAM....

tbaba1234:


The EU has placed sanctions on Russia for its actions in Crimea. The EU has been forced to release condemnation of Russia's actions in recent years. The Eu has no sanctions for Turkey, Turkey is still a part of NATO.

I like that you used the term "forced". Germany has no issues with Russia.
Germany has so many issues with turkey.
About being a member of NATO, do you know NATO forbids buying arms from Russia? Turkey has purchased S-400 missile Defence systems from Russia. NATO no longer sells weapons to turkey, and they no longer share intelligence and Wepon manufacturing data with Turkey, something other Nato countries enjoy.
So belonging to NATO..........? Just on paper.