aribisala0:
Like Sadaam? What do you know about Sadaam?
How is Netanyahu or Obama better than Sadaam?

What do you know about Sadam? What do you know about Sisi? Abeg, drop those rhetorical questions, it puts me off. If you assume that I'm being misinformed by CNN, why shouldn't I think that you're being misinformed by Wikipedia? Did you live in Iraq to know better? And at the same time, did you live in Egypt to know better? Then, did you live in all those countries you're mentioning that made your narration or information authentic?
Stop seeing yourself as the only guy with the real information about the world's affairs.

It is useful to question what you think you know and how you know it? Does the US care how many millions of people have to die so it can dominate the World?

When was the last time you listened to Turkish Radio or watched Turkish TV.

Lol. You're the expert with valid information about each country and their leader's character, you should now tell us how many radio from each you listen to or TV you watch everyday. Lol.

You form your opinions based on what the West want you to think.

Don't you guys never tired of this line? Statements like this doesn't elevate you above others, it exposes you as someone who belittle others. Drop it.

I am sure that Erdogan is no different from Obama or Clinton or Putin.

No, he does. He does everything to cling to power whatever the cost

You mentioned Sisi? What do you know about Sisi?

Rhetorical question again?

Stop ,pause and think. These things that you know about the World as told by western media are they reality?

Does the Western media tell you the truth about Israel? about Saudi Arabia or Yemen ?

let me tell you something. In the last 10 years or so. A major change was made to the funding of the BBC. The BBC in addition to licence fee now receives a significant part of its funding from the Foreign Office.
Why might that be?
[quote] These same Western nations told you Sadaam was a bad guy.

West told me that Sadam was a bad guy and I wonder who told Sadam was a good guy. Oh, you were his confidant when he was alive

Maybe you are not old enough to remember the Iraq- Iran war and how the West made Sadam.

Papa, please lecture me.

Then he was a good guy

I need to tell you here that you labouring too much to sell a bad market

Again the Muhahiddin in Afghanistan were made by the West to counter the Soviets then they were good guys

It doesn't matter who made them bad guys or how they became bad guys, they became bad guys and I realised you have problem accepting it. It is what it is

The reality is that Western media is not just about informing it is also about misinforming or NOT informing as part of goernment policy with the main consideration being Western interest.
Do not believe a person is a bad guy because CNN tells you that. CNN is not the Red Cross or Good Samaritans. They are part of Western propaganda in the way that RT is Russian propaganda.

I'm not debating with you here whether West are good or bad. I'm not disapproving your resentment towards them. But bad guys are what they are, bad guys!

To really understand what is going on you need to put your mind in the 19th century context in which European countries sat down with a map of Africa and divided it.

Much worse is going on today in a more refiined format and the strategy has succeeded fully when folk like you with less than 1% of the facts can sit down and believe Erdogn is a bad guy and Merkel is a good guy

How come Mugabe is a bad guy but Museveni,and Paul Biya are not.

What someone else thinks is different from what I think. But it is understandable since you've assumed that West are the one doing the thinking for me and everyone out there except you

It all comes down to one word. Interests.

The moment you do not protect Western interests they will demonize you and if possible overthrow or kill you.

The same thing they did 100 years ago to Jaja of Opobo, Kosoko of Lagos they did to Sankara,Ghadaffi,Sadaam and many more.

Johnzzy:
I think Ozil brought this on himself.

You don't associate with a character like Erdogan and not expect a massive backlash. It's just like taking a picture with Bashar al-Assad, claiming he's your root, while you play for Israel.

He was naive.

The deal breaker was when Joachim Low asked him to do a joint press conference to clear the air. Bros started beating around the bush.

Given his level of influence and reach, he should be more discreet next time.

Spot on! At his level there is a certain level of professionalism expected of him...Germans are known for precision and no excuse for failure, when u fail you take responsibility and he didn't do that by naively associating with Erdogan and doing some political damage to Germany. Instead he started whipping up emotions here and there, does Ozil think the Germans got where they are today by being sentimental or lacking in professionalism?

jubor:
It happens all the time, the same people that screamed hosanna were the same that asked for Jesus to be stringed. Keep being Ozil

he was killed cos he is a criminal.. he broke the code.

tbaba1234:


Lothar matthäus took pictures with Putin and Germany is at odds with Russia and there was no outrage.'

Ozil is Turkish and Erdogan is the Turkish president. They met in a charity event.. What do you want him to do exactly? He is not a politician.

It is selective Outrage.

You are very right in your assertion. However, my take remains that discretion matters as blowing up this immigration issue on a high profile character like Ozil does not do ordinary immigrant population any good. It can only arm the right wing nuts who are growing influential daily in Germany.

nawtyme:

Germany has a military base in turkey. Turkey asked them to close the base and leave.
Germany refused to let Erdogan campaign in turkey based on human rights records, etc.
Germany imposed economic sanctions on turkey for its 2 years state of emergency. The sanctions was lifted yesterday when the state of emergency was ended last week.
Turkey has repeatedly threatened Germany to release migrants into EU should it not be allowed to join the EU
So turkey has issues with Germany.
On the other hand, EU not Germany has issues with Russia because of Crimea, a move sponsored by the US.
Russia supplies the EU and Germany with GAS, UK included.
Merkel is a close ally of Putin. She has visited him several and he has done the same with gifts exchanged.
Germany as a country has no issues with Russia.

That is the difference

Honestly you are funny. You just pick a random list of nonsense facts and think you are making sense. Indeed you are even prepared to lie to make your point.
How is Turkey's negotiations using migrants a specific threat to Germany and not the EU as a whole?
How is Merkel an "ally" of Putin?
Germany and the US are allies yet Obama was tapping Merkel's phone?
Germany and Turkey are in NATO and yet Germany is an ally of Russia you claim?
Has she not visited Erdogan and exchanged gifts? so what?
Russia supplies the EU with energy as do many other countries including Iran so what?
You need to make your mind up whether Germany has an issues with Turkey or with Erdogan

Every country has issues with another country.
It depends on what you mean by "issues"

The economic ties between Turkey and Germany are stronger than between ANY other Non-EU country. Indeed the trade
is greater than most EU countries
Are we to say that Trump placed economic sanctions on the EU.

tbaba1234:


1. Ozil is turkish as much as he is German. He has taken several pictures with Erdogan over the years and has probably captioned it similarly without any problem. Lothar Matthaus took pictures with Putin without backlash.
2. Ozil has served Germany loyally since 2009 with distinction whether he sings or not is irrelevant. He has given the whole of his international career to Germany when he had another option. No one noticed him not singing when he won the world cup for them.
3. Ozil is not a politician. Politicians can use anything as a propaganda tool. That is why they are politicians. I do not see how he would have avoided Erdogan when they came for the same charity event.

4. Ozil was selected for his footballing ability not his politics.

Why is Gundogan(hope I spelt that correctly) not facing equal backlash like Özil even as he also took the same picture with Erdogan and also has a Turkish ancestry?
Özil's tittle at a time when these two countries have a strain in their relationship triggered the backlash.
If this same picture was taken in 2009 with the same caption, nothing would have happened.
2. Take it or leave it, politics play a major role in football and would continue to no matter what fifa says.

Bad news

Arondizuogu:


Is Erdogan a terrorist like Shekau? or a seccesionist like Kalu? nope, he is the democratically elected Head of State of Turkey!! your comparisons made no sense, sorry..

You are right bro. Note that I, myself already provided same caveat in my original post.

wristbangle:
Success is famous while failure is obscure. People hail you when things are sweet yet tongue lash you the moment things turn sour.

One should never do things to please people. Please God, yourself and your family ( wife and children).

I thought the Germans are non racist people. Not only they are racist but as well an ingrate.

You thought what? They killed 6million Jews. Google the Holocaust...

Johnzzy:
I think Ozil brought this on himself.

You don't associate with a character like Erdogan and not expect a massive backlash. It's just like taking a picture with Bashar al-Assad, claiming he's your root, while you play for Israel.

He was naive.

The deal breaker was when Joachim Low asked him to do a joint press conference to clear the air. Bros started beating around the bush.

Given his level of influence and reach, he should be more discreet next time.

But the picture was taken since 2015.

tbaba1234:


Nnamdi Kanu and Shekau are separatists. They are not leaders of sovereign countries. None of them have any legitimate mandate.

Ozil is from Turkey, he met the Turkish president in a charity event, what is supposed to do? cover his face and run away?

Phew! Please don't add to Ozil's already complicated issues. Ozil is German and is not from Turkey. His father is Turkish but Mesut himself was born German, is German and has never once been Turkish. At best, you can say that he has Turkish roots but calling him Turkish is to suggest that the right wing nuts are right.

That said, I do agree that you are right that Erdogan is a legitimate leader and not rabble.

nawtyme:

I like that you used the term "forced". Germany has no issues with Russia.
Germany has so many issues with turkey.
About being a member of NATO, do you know NATO forbids buying arms from Russia? Turkey has purchased S-400 missile Defence systems from Russia. NATO no longer sells weapons to turkey, and they no longer share intelligence and Wepon manufacturing data with Turkey, something other Nato countries enjoy.
So belonging to NATO..........? Just on paper.

The EU has several Economic sanctions on Russia. To say Germany has no issues with Russia is false. G8 became G7 because Russia was kicked out. Germany and other EU nations backed Ukraine

The European Missile defense program is to protect Europe specifically from a growing Russian threat.

So no, Germany and Russia are not pals.

kjhova:


Phew! Please don't add to Ozil's already complicated issues. Ozil is German and is not from Turkey. His father is Turkish but Mesut himself was born German, is German and has never once been Turkish. At best, you can say that he has Turkish roots but calling him Turkish is to suggest that the right wing nuts are right.

That said, I do agree that you are right that Erdogan is a legitimate leader and not rabble.

Ozil has Turkish roots. He can be proud of his turkish heritage. He can be Turkish and German. It is not one or the other.

There is nuance in issues like this. He can love his Turkish roots and his German roots at the same time. It is part of what makes him Ozil.

maasoap:



What do you know about Sadam? What do you know about Sisi? Abeg, drop those rhetorical questions, it puts me off. If you assume that I'm being misinformed by CNN, why shouldn't I think that you're being misinformed by Wikipedia? Did you live in Iraq to know better? And at the same time, did you live in Egypt to know better? Then, did you live in all those countries you're mentioning that made your narration or information authentic?
Stop seeing yourself as the only guy with the real information about the world's affairs.



Lol. You're the expert with valid information about each country and their leader's character, you should now tell us how many radio from each you listen to or TV you watch everyday. Lol.



Don't you guys never tired of this line? Statements like this doesn't elevate you above others, it exposes you as someone who belittle others. Drop it.



No, he does. He does everything to cling to power whatever the cost



Rhetorical question again?

You are the one passing judgment on Sisi Sadaam and others.

My point is simple they are not any worse that others like Netanyahu Clinton ,Obama or George W Bush who are responsible for the killings of many more.The only difference is they do not have the dominant position that the West have and therefore the power to set the Agenda and control the mind of naive folk like you.
He does anythingg to cling to power at whatever cost? According to CNN ? What has he done that Putin has not done manyfold or the Chinese of the King or Saudi Arabia

Tell us what happened in Bahrain when the US and its allies were stirring things up in Egypt and Syria? How that insurrection in Bahrain was brutally put down and air brushed from the news. Now that is clinging to power at ANY COST with US backing. The same in Uganda. Go and read about the US support for Museveni one of the most brutal dictators ever. Never criticized in Western media that loved to hate Mugabe

How come there is a news blackout on Yemen and Palestine?

Erdogan is no saint but there are no leader saints.


They are all the same and better the one who has a strong media to retell the story of what they get up to

aribisala0:

Honestly you are funny. You just pick a random list of nonsense facts and think you are making sense. Indeed you are even prepared to lie to make your point.
How is Turkey's negotiations using migrants a specific threat to Germany and not the EU as a whole?
How is Merkel an "ally" of Putin?
Germany and the US are allies yet Obama was tapping Merkel's phone?
Germany and Turkey are in NATO and yet Germany is an ally of Russia you claim?
Has she not visited Erdogan and exchanged gifts? so what?
Russia supplies the EU with energy as do many other countries including Iran so what?
You need to make your mind up whether Germany has an issues with Turkey or with Erdogan

Every country has issues with another country.
It depends on what you mean by "issues"

The economic ties between Turkey and Germany are stronger than between ANY other Non-EU country. Indeed the trade
is greater than most EU countries
Are we to say that Trump placed economic sanctions on the EU.

You are the one telling lies and I think it's time to prove you wrong. Germany has had economic sanctions on turkey which was lifted only about 2 days ago. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/germany-drops-economic-sanctions-turkey-180722082521419.html
Here also Germany is closing it military base in turkey amidst diplomatic tension http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40163369.
Here is a turkey directly threatening Germany with migrants for its decision to recognize the Turkish genocide on Armenia. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/675708/Turkey-new-threat-Germany-Armenia-EU-migrant-deal-at-risk
So I never made them up. Hence Özil is stupid for taking a picture with Erdogan a d tagging it "My President"

aribisala0:
You are the one passing judgment on Sisi Sadaam and others.

My point is simple they are not any worse that others like Netanyahu Clinton ,Obama or George W Bush who are responsible for the killings of many more.The only difference is they do not have the dominant position that the West have and therefore the power to set the Agenda and control the mind of naive folk like you.
He does anythingg to cling to power at whatever cost? According to CNN ? What has he done that Putin has not done manyfold or the Chinese of the King or Saudi Arabia

Tell us what happened in Bahrain when the US and its allies were stirring things up in Egypt and Syria? How that insurrection in Bahrain was brutally put down and air brushed from the news. Now that is clinging to power at ANY COST with US backing. The same in Uganda. Go and read about the US support for Museveni one of the most brutal dictators ever. Never criticized in Western media that loved to hate Mugabe

How come there is a news blackout on Yemen and Palestine?

Erdogan is no sain but there are no leader saints.


They are all the same and better the one who has a strong media to retell the story of what they get up to

Yeah, I did because I saw their handwork. But I get it, West fed me that

For this ozil is wrong, if germany was dat a racist country he wouldn't have been called up into d german team, n i dnt ve a record of him been ever publicly racistly abuse n lastly he is aware that turkey n germany r both technically at war he shouldn't have taken d pics he took with erdogan,( can turkey allow a christian n non turks in its national team) abeg make d oju opolo go joor

na s e be na....even racism amongst whites

tbaba1234:


The EU has several Economic sanctions on Russia. To say Germany has no issues with Russia is false. G8 became G7 because Russia was kicked out. Germany and other EU nations backed Ukraine

The European Missile defense program is to protect Europe specifically from a growing Russian threat.

So no, Germany and Russia are not pals.

The term "forced" corroborates my earlier stance in explaining my point about the relationship between Russia and EU/G8(as an economic or geopolitical organization) compared to Russia and Germany (as a country). The US is the key player in the conflict using her allies as proxies.
Now let's compare that with the relationship between Turkey and Germany (both being individual nations). There is some level of bad blood between them directly. You can check out my Las response to the tbaba.
Turkey purchases weapons from Russia, a country which according to you has forced Europe to come up with a missile Defence system (citation needed). Should that action bring turkey and Germany closer?

nawtyme:

You are the one telling lies and I think it's time to prove you wrong. Germany has had economic sanctions on turkey which was lifted only about 2 days ago. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/germany-drops-economic-sanctions-turkey-180722082521419.html
Here also Germany is closing it military base in turkey amidst diplomatic tension http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40163369.
Here is a turkey directly threatening Germany with migrants for its decision to recognize the Turkish genocide on Armenia. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/675708/Turkey-new-threat-Germany-Armenia-EU-migrant-deal-at-risk
So I never made them up. Hence Özil is stupid for taking a picture with Erdogan a d tagging it "My President"

You are a LIAR
A big one. Mixing random facts with deliberate lies fools NO ONE


I challenge you very specifically on the claim that Turkey threatened Germany with Migrants .

Not only is it a lie it is stupid.
Provide a quote of the threat that was made
Itstead of providing random links from tabloids

Tell us what threat was made to Germany?
There was no deal with Germany but with the EU

The facts are that that millions of migrants remain in Turkey and Turkey was overwhelmed and allowed a tiny fraction to cross to the EU not Germany. Go and look at a fucking map and see whether Turkey shares a border with Germany

Italy has recently been playing hardball with migration insisting that the burden be shared. Is that a "THREAT" They are not threatening anyone but protecting their interests

What are the details of that migrant deal? Do you know? So because a taboid nespapers carries the headline "threatened" that means there was a "threat" and that threat was for Germany even though they are not neighbours? Does Turkey give the migrants SATNAV guiding them to Germany



IS TRUMP THREATENING GERMANY or just fight for his people when he complains about uunfar trade?

nawtyme:

You are the one telling lies and I think it's time to prove you wrong. Germany has had economic sanctions on turkey which was lifted only about 2 days ago. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/germany-drops-economic-sanctions-turkey-180722082521419.html
Here also Germany is closing it military base in turkey amidst diplomatic tension http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40163369.
Here is a turkey directly threatening Germany with migrants for its decision to recognize the Turkish genocide on Armenia. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/675708/Turkey-new-threat-Germany-Armenia-EU-migrant-deal-at-risk
So I never made them up. Hence Özil is stupid for taking a picture with Erdogan a d tagging it "My President"

Turkey threatening Germany with Migrants is like Somalia threatening Nigeria with Migrants. They will have to pass 6 countries to arrive.

The reality is Turkey did threaten to pull out of a deal based on theiir interests .Why is migrants a "threat" to the EU but not to Turkey.
Why was the EU offering over $1 billion to Turkey if it was such a bad deal for them?

aribisala0:


You are a LIAR
A big one. Mixing random facts with deliberate lies fools NO ONE


I challenge you very specifically on the claim that Turkey threatened Germany with Migrants .

Not only is it a lie it is stupid.
Provide a quote of the threat that was made
Itstead of providing random links from tabloids

Tell us what threat was made to Germany?
There was no deal with Germany but with the EU

The facts are that that millions of migrants remain in Turkey and Turkey was overwhelmed and allowed a tiny fraction to cross to the EU not Germany. Go and look at a fucking map and see whether Turkey shares a border with Germany

Italy has recently been playing hardball with migration insisting that the burden be shared. Is that a "THREAT" They are not threatening anyone but protecting their interests

What are the details of that migrant deal? Do you know? So because a taboid nespapers carries the headline "threatened" that means there was a "threat" and that threat was for Germany even though they are not neighbours? Does Turkey give the migrants SATNAV guiding them to Germany



IS TRUMP THREATENING GERMANY or just fight for his people when he complains about uunfar trade?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170320-german-turkey-eu-migrant-deal-refugees-visa-libya-erdogan-merkel
Hope this is tabloid enough for you.
Now why was the statement made? What led to the rhetoric?

nawtyme:

http://www.france24.com/en/20170320-german-turkey-eu-migrant-deal-refugees-visa-libya-erdogan-merkel
Hope this is tabloid enough for you.
Now why was the statement made? What led to the rhetoric?

The deal was a deal with the EU

Kindly explain how Turkey threatened Germany with Migrants


Where was the specific threat to Germany

Look at the map

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aribisala0:



Turkey threatening Germany with Migrants is like Somalia threatening Nigeria with Migrants. They will have to pass 6 countries to arrive.

The reality is Turkey did threaten to pull out of a deal based on theiir interests .Why is migraonts a "threat" to the EU but not to Turkey.
Why was the EU offering over $1 billion to Turkey if it was such a bad deal for them?

Turkey threatened to leave because Germany decided to recognize the Armenian genocide. The migrants all aim for Germany, UK, and France because of their economic status etc. Moving across EU nations is not difficult except through Hungary, Poland, recently Italy and a few other eastern EU countries. So the counties between them do not matter.

nawtyme:

Turkey threatened to leave because Germany decided to recognize the Armenian genocide. The migrants all aim for Germany, UK, and France because of their economic status etc. Moving across EU nations is not difficult except through Hungary, Poland, recently Italy and a few other eastern EU countries. So the counties between them do not matter.

That is not the same thing as
Turkey threatened Germany with Migrants. THAT IS A LIE

Is Germany the only country in the EU?

In fact many wanted to come to the UK and camped at Calais in France for months

So there is no stretch of the imagination that can make that a threat to Germany

Turkey has every right to protect its interest just like the US does with countries that vote against its interests or Israel at the UN that is international relations

Do you see anyone talking about the slave trade or colonialism today? They do not like to hear the bitter truth about their past so Turkey doing the same about the Armenian genocide is what countries do . Was there no genocide in the Americas or Australia ? Is it not airbrushed from history? I am not a supporter of Turkey just a realist that theyy hae not done anything new or worse than other powers have done.

There was no specific threat to Germany from Turkey about migrants

Did China not twist the Arm of Nigeria and others about Taiwan?

Did Trump not try to bully Nigeria to support their World Cup bid?

wristbangle:
Success is famous while failure is obscure.

I thought the Germans are non racist people. Not only they are racist but as well an ingrate.

Where did Hitler come from? LOL

In other news, racism exists everywhere. Not all Germans are racist

Maybe now players with Turkish or other heritage will think twice about playing for
Germany . It's a shame Ozil has been made to feel like this having been born in the country and served them so well..

I think Germany should hold a reconciliatory meeting with Ozil in national interest. Ozil’s move has stained their PR..

Disgusting from Germany . Ozil deserves no hate for his heritage...

nawtyme:

Turkey threatened to leave because Germany decided to recognize the Armenian genocide. The migrants all aim for Germany, UK, and France because of their economic status etc. Moving across EU nations is not difficult except through Hungary, Poland, recently Italy and a few other eastern EU countries. So the counties between them do not matter.

You doo not want to look at the big picture. Turkey already has millions of migrants. Are they not within their rights to say ENOUGH

Is ITALY not doing the same today with the boat migrants? Is that a threat to Germany

How is it Turkey's busines where the migrants they reject go.

The EU decided to pay Turkey to keep them .Will the money solve all the problems?
Turkey believes they were helping the EU so why should they help them if they are acting against whhat Turkey believes to be its interests? How is that a threat to Germany.
Why is the recognition of genocide not a threat to Turkey?

jubor:
It happens all the time, the same people that screamed hosanna were the same that asked for Jesus to be stringed. Keep being Ozil

The problem was not the picture but the message attached to it saying "My President" knowing how controversial Erdogan has been

wristbangle:


I thought the Germans are non racist people.

What do you know?