Kazikazi:
Yap.Nyerere he helped alot on our swahilization.he firstly used it as a unifying language for the blacks against colonial masters during the struggle of independence in the 50's.After gaining freedom he formed institutions and organs to promote and devoloping the languge..Bakita and Tataki was formed.In1962 swahili was introduced in parliament.in 1964 swahili was recognised as official language. 1965 it was introduced in primary school.Nyerere authored many swahili books e.g Ujamaa.My tribe?? No I cant disclose it here.Most Tanzanians speak fluent swahili than their tribal languages..and some of them including myself cant speak our tribal languages.Yes am positive.swahili it was instrumental on unifying our nation.we have zero tribalism.we dont vote our leaders by tribal lines.while our fellows fight each election because of ethnic divisions we dont.thank God..we didnt had funny leaders

Nowenuse:


Ok thanks for the enlightenment.

1) Apparently, the promotion of Swahili language as the official language and language of education in Tanzania made most Tanzanians lack fluency in English language compared to Kenyans and Ugandans. How true is this please?

2) I also read somewhere that there tend to be some religious divisions between muslims and christians in TZ, especially in Zanzibar where there are more conservative muslims. How true please?

3) How come Tanzanians speak and sing Swahili with a sweeter and more melodious flavour than Kenyans and Ugandans?

4) Is there any sort of friction between the Native Swahili people and other ethnic groups? Are there dialectal differences in the spoken swahili accross the country?

Thanks

Yobeezy:


Did I say that Kenya is superb?unless you're dumb and ignorant.This has been a foolish ideology for you people,you keep on underrating other African nations as if its people are sleeping and living in trees.
Why did you leave your Nigeria and come to Kenya to look for job opportunities if you people claims your country is the best in Africa in everything?
This is a weird logic for some Nigerians indeed.
Furthermore,most of your brothers and sisters in Nairobi are just surviving with local jobs that a poor Nigerian can do in his or her backyard.a chunk of them are just drug dealers and scammers.shameless.

Kenya has its own flaws but they're not as huge like those of Nigeria.Atleast we're developing fast in all indices if not all while Nigeria is there sleeping thinking that oil will glorify everything in their country.
Do you people even pay taxes?

Kenya's economy is developing rapidly and immensely if you check on aspects like infrastructure,technology,FDI,electricity connectivity.This might not be the best progress in Africa but we are somewhere there when we are ambitious to achieve our vision 2030.

For your information,we're only competing with South Africa in the continent,not Nigeria the poverty capital of the world filled with huge and numerous challenges.

TayserMahiri:


Having few children is something that happens without control in much of the capitalistic developed world. In free democratic societies people choose to have few or no children at all. There is a general negative linear relationship between fertility and economic development. Even China was having a decline in fertility rates before they introduced the one child policy. Its estimated that without the intervention their population would have naturally peaked and subsequently declined around yr 2040. The only thing the one child policy did was to hasten the decline. Some estimates put it at some 400 million Chinese avoided so far (on the very upper limit). So they would be something like 1.8 billion Chinese today as opposed to the current 1.4. If you check the per capita difference that would make today, its not so massive as to have significantly affected their economic progress provided they stuck to their current economic policies. Especially considering China now is facing the unique problem of not fully maturing as an economy given its potential because they are likely to get too old before they get rich. The one child policy has created a unique 4-2-1 formation which means the one child is depended upon by sometimes 6 dependants (four granparents and the two parents) which is too heavy. Of course they are trying to reverse that ticking time bomb by relaxing the one child policy but the reality is that there is a 30 year gap they wont fix unless they import foreigners. Even more so considering that today's wealthier and healthier Chinese are not likely to want many babies just as in much of the developed world so they wont really execute the new baby freedoms like clock work. Unless the govt now begins forcing Chinese to have strictly more than one baby to fix the gap. The one child policy is actually one of the reasons their economy is slowing down. So it wasnt such a successful social experiment after all! It was too artificial and if you were to think of global economics as a race, then India will outlast China in that respect.

gallivant:


3. Quit the tomfoolery! Do Australians speak sweeter English than New Zealanders? I encourage your will for knowledge but don't come off looking like an idiot in the process. Kiswahili is a standard language.There is no sweeter or bitter Swahili!

mtis:

Funny naijas dont know Tanzanians don like them...do you know its easier for a naija to survive in Kenya than in TZ...

Daejoyoung:

Then those are the poor not extremely poor. lf by definition, extremely poor means those who live below 360-500 naira daily, then in modern day Nigeria especially in these times, they would definitely also be amongst those who go to bed hungry, because 360 naira daily would hardly be enough for anything in a typical Nigerian town. So you and l are describing the poor Nigerians not extremely poor . Those struggling people l described in my previous post who earn 18000 naira monthly( and l was once in this category) are not extremely poor but just poor struggling people, but if you use the dollars, then they are extremely poor, but this is a contradiction because they are better off than many Ghanians who even live on 5 dollars daily, hope you get my point now?
Note 18000 naira monthly is about 500 naira ( 1.5 dollars) daily.
For your information, the minimum wage in Naija is 18000 naira, and some private school teachers earn about 15000 naira, it is fool hardy to break this monthly salary into a daily salary of 500 naira( 1.5 dollars) daily and then describe them as extremely poor, and even if you do this, their living conditions do not reflect the extremely poor, but just struggling or poor people.
A Western statistician would then take these statistics based on their monthly salaries alone and then convert these to daily salaries and then get bogus figures of 120 million extremely poor Nigerians, which is faulty because most Nigerians aside being employed may also be involved in other petty daily trades or what they call osusu contribution to make ends meet. Also the dollar is not the naira.

Yobeezy:


Nigerians should also stop this cheap idiotism of forcing to compare themselves with other rapid developing nations in Africa by creating stupid country comparison threads.

We're also not at your class neither because you're too way above us most bad news in the continent.
Nigeria is an example of a shithole nation,if you remove oil from its economy,it will collapse..

TayserMahiri:


Really? You dont have to act like a frustrated chic. Thats exactly how unattractive chics behave after hoping to catch the eye of a hunk dude but then he shows disinterest. Its not like its mandatory to meet you man/woman! I get ya beef but its not my fault I have that effect on people

Did you see that Uhuru Kenyatta actually responded to Boniface Mwangi's patriotic and genuine concern? I bet you did but you cant post here because the level of freedom and democracy in Kenya continues to shock you ten years later. A Kenyan can say that and the president actually shows concern and responds in a very kind manner on social media for all. In Tanzania the guy would be having his balls crashed right now by the govt. How dare you call the president a thief?? I suspect it would be the same in Naija as Tz.

mtis:

I saw oba guy tell the deluded dude(kazikazi) he might travel to zanzibar one of these days.i was like get ya a** out of the village first
Man the forum brings every dream to life

TayserMahiri:


He thinks Zanzibari spices are drugs

Yobeezy:


Nigerians should also stop this cheap idiotism of forcing to compare themselves with other rapid developing nations in Africa by creating stupid country comparison threads.

We're also not at your class neither because you're too way above us most bad news in the continent.
Nigeria is an example of a shithole nation,if you remove oil from its economy,it will collapse..

Yobeezy:


Nigerians should also stop this cheap idiotism of forcing to compare themselves with other rapid developing nations in Africa by creating stupid country comparison threads.

We're also not at your class neither because you're too way above us most bad news in the continent.
Nigeria is an example of a shithole nation,if you remove oil from its economy,it will collapse..

Yobeezy:


Nigerians should also stop this cheap idiotism of forcing to compare themselves with other rapid developing nations in Africa by creating stupid country comparison threads.

We're also not at your class neither because you're too way above us most bad news in the continent.
Nigeria is an example of a shithole nation,if you remove oil from its economy,it will collapse..

Yobeezy:


There's absolutely nothing to be pained over here..
A country in west Africa which its value of imports does not equalize its value of exports is claiming to have a better balance of trade..
You guys are even importing basic foodstuffs.
You should be ashamed of yourself with that your Nigeria.

Nowenuse:



Do you guys think most Nigerians live fake lives like you guys?
Nigerians are richer on average than Kenyans.

There are freaking 40 million middleclass Nigerians compared to Kenya's 5 million. Watch that huge difference.

Nigerians are not like Kenyans who were their best clothes for Tea and blanket parties in order to impress white foreigners , then at the end of the day retire to their shanty houses in Kibera or the concentration camp mass housings of Umoja.

That is not our lifestyle.

TayserMahiri:

Which electric train? You are still making attempts to procure equipment for your Utopian railway at this point in time. The other day one of your politicians dared the govt to provide even a picture of anything you have built. Keep getting fooled in your communist backwater. There is no rail and certainly its not electric. You cant afford an electric railway but your govt is breaking its back just so you can prove a point to Kenya. Most of your less fearful politicians know you are not building any railway because you cannot afford. Bloated ego is preventing your president from accepting reality. Your railway is a white elephant. It will remain in a permanent state of progress forever. And your citizens being the dullards they are wont dare to question what is going on.

gallivant:


3. Quit the tomfoolery! Do Australians speak sweeter English than New Zealanders? I encourage your will for knowledge but don't come off looking like an idiot in the process. Kiswahili is a standard language.There is no sweeter or bitter Swahili!

Nowenuse:


There is no tomfoolery here. Even your fellow Kenyans here have agreed with me in the past that Tanzanians have a sweeter melody of Swahili than Kenya.

Yes! English people for instance speak English language in a more rhythmic manner than Americans or Canadians. And some English dialects tend to be more rhythmic than others.

As a non swahili speaker who had access to East African music and drama for the first time, within some few months, I began to notice the clear differences between Kenyans, Tanzanians & Ugandans.
Play me a random east African music and I can easily tell which country that music comes from.
Rwandan, Burundian and Congolese swahili are the dialects and cultures I'm yet to be familiar with.

Nowenuse:


We went into recession, but we still came out of the recession in less than 20 months while the oil price remained the same.

That tells you we are not overtly dependent on oil as you claim.

nwoke39:


And sorry to say, but both Nigeria and Kenya are shithole nations... Nigeria's just richer and bigger, Kenya is less corrupt and much smaller

nwoke39:


oil only contributes 10% to Nigeria's economy/GDP

TayserMahiri:


Having few children is something that happens without control in much of the capitalistic developed world. In free democratic societies people choose to have few or no children at all. There is a general negative linear relationship between fertility and economic development. Even China was having a decline in fertility rates before they introduced the one child policy. Its estimated that without the intervention their population would have naturally peaked and subsequently declined around yr 2040. The only thing the one child policy did was to hasten the decline. Some estimates put it at some 400 million Chinese avoided so far (on the very upper limit). So they would be something like 1.8 billion Chinese today as opposed to the current 1.4. If you check the per capita difference that would make today, its not so massive as to have significantly affected their economic progress provided they stuck to their current economic policies. Especially considering China now is facing the unique problem of not fully maturing as an economy given its potential because they are likely to get too old before they get rich. The one child policy has created a unique 4-2-1 formation which means the one child is depended upon by sometimes 6 dependants (four granparents and the two parents) which is too heavy. Of course they are trying to reverse that ticking time bomb by relaxing the one child policy but the reality is that there is a 30 year gap they wont fix unless they import foreigners. Even more so considering that today's wealthier and healthier Chinese are not likely to want many babies just as in much of the developed world so they wont really execute the new baby freedoms like clock work. Unless the govt now begins forcing Chinese to have strictly more than one baby to fix the gap. The one child policy is actually one of the reasons their economy is slowing down. So it wasnt such a successful social experiment after all! It was too artificial and if you were to think of global economics as a race, then India will outlast China in that respect.

kikuyu1:
Btw,am searching for news on this Ug/Tz oil pipeline and can't find anything concrete. Has work even begun? The design was only chosen in January.

Nowenuse:


Ok thanks for the enlightenment.

1) Apparently, the promotion of Swahili language as the official language and language of education in Tanzania made most Tanzanians lack fluency in English language compared to Kenyans and Ugandans. How true is this please?

2) I also read somewhere that there tend to be some religious divisions between muslims and christians in TZ, especially in Zanzibar where there are more conservative muslims. How true please?

3) How come Tanzanians speak and sing Swahili with a sweeter and more melodious flavour than Kenyans and Ugandans?

4) Is there any sort of friction between the Native Swahili people and other ethnic groups? Are there dialectal differences in the spoken swahili accross the country?

Thanks

rvp2018:
Not yet began. This week I saw they are recruiting staff for Oil holding companies - including pipeline & refinery - museveni talk too much. Don't be suprised if kenya build it's oil pipeline faster than UG-TZ. They are yet to get financing for this (3.5B dollars) - so we are looking at construction starting maybe in 2020 - and perhaps completing in 3yrs in 2023 - or even worse. I[b] see Uganda oil going "live" somewhere in 2025. Uganda made a strategic mistake here - it would have been cheaper and quicker to follow Lapset to Lamu port - and South Sudan would have started building another pipeline down south.[/b]

Mugabe is pissed at this talk of 'more serious issues' and says the threat of a Hima-Tutsi empire is a real and serious issue; in tones that suggest he is convinced it is even the only issue that should be discussed here today. "I have always heard that you are a very intelligent and popular man," Mugabe tells Museveni right into his face, "I now think your intelligence is quite exaggerated."

kikuyu1:


Exactly my opinion! Once our oil is flowing it'll be difficult if not impossible to finance another project a scant few hundred kms away from another one-M7 has scored a MAJOR OWN GOAL! I've always said that Tutsi supremacist is wayyyyy overrated strategically:look at his DRC mass murders,attempted Kenya invasion late 80s,decision to break bank and but 7 brand new Su 30 jets (only 3 are flying!),and now this!

Here's what Mugabe told M7 to his face in Paris after he invaded the DRC:
http://umudendezo-news..com/2012/07/moment-mugabe-told-museveni-your.html

nwoke39:


And sorry to say, but both Nigeria and Kenya are shithole nations... Nigeria's just richer and bigger, Kenya is less corrupt and much smaller