dalaman:


Saving which lives? The writers of the bible had NO idea at all that the world will ever become as advanced as it is today so when they wrote down their nonsense they wrote it without such knowledge. When they mentioned technology only primitive technology was what they mentioned.


I thought you guys brag that the Bible is a book of all time? Which correct prediction has the bible madeabout today's world? A book that couldn't know that people will be using rocket and jet engine is what you are lying that made prediction about today's world abi? Jesus we are told will be flying down on horse back and the angels along with him will be using swords to conquer the world. Didn't yahweh know that people will be using high caliber assult rifles and long range missiles amongst other modern weapons?



In your myth believing and deluded mind the world is not supposed to advance. Keep deluding yourself. Humans will be so advanced that the people that will live 300 years from now will look at us as primitive beings because of their level of advancement. Homosexuals have been existing in the world among all species long before Jesus was born and long before the bible as a whole was written down so what nonsense are you talking about? Homosexuality is natural just like being male or female, it has been with mankind since inception. The bible is not stopping anybody from falling off the cliff it is so useless so much so that Christianshould are refusing to abide by its ancient and primitive injunctions. Isn't what why you created this topic? Because you want people to stick to first century sexist thrash that was written inside the bible while many other Christians do not want to do so? Keep deluding yourself.

dalaman:


You guys are very funny. Most of you do NOT believe in the entire bible , you only pick and chose the parts you like, turn a blind eye to the parts you don't like or give them your own alternate interpretation.

Which part of the bible was not written for the people living at that time? Which injunction was not written based on the life style of the people living at that time?

Anyway the OP has chosen to follow a failed path because most Christians today especially in the west will not accept the stupid sexism espoused by the bible. They will rather abandon the religion entirely than accept this nonsensical sexism.

The bottom line is that the writers of the bible did NOT know that the world will evolve to what it is now,

everything they wrote they wrote using their own knowledge and level of advancement .

They even had God writing people's name and reading it out on scrolls of papyrus, Angels using trumpets and swords and Jesus coming down riding on horse back. They never knew people will be using jet engines and rocket engines to go into space and for inter planetary travels, books and computers for writing and storage of data, microphoes, high caliber assult rifles etc. They were busy writing about their God using primitive and ancient thrash to judge the world and attack mankind.

alBHAGDADI:
Are you ridiculous?

All those commandments are of the law which Jesus has freed us from. You are even acting as if there weren't punishment for men too.

Look, you have no argument here. Goodbye

alBHAGDADI:
Despite verses in the OP which states that a woman cannot teach or even speak in Church, you still claim no verse teaches against that?

How do you read and understand?

CAPSLOCKED:


LOL.. YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN AWAY NOW. I THOUGHT ST. PAUL STARTED TEACHING AFTER JESUS? I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TERRIBLE THINGS HE SAID MAN, MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN READ YOUR HOLY BOOK. MOST OF THE PUNISHMENT IN THE BIBLE WERE FOR WOMEN (AND SLAVES) DIRECTLY. MEN WERE ALMOST FREE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

CAPSLOCKED:

IN THE BIBLE GOD FELT THE BEST PUNISHMENT FOR MAN IS TO CURSE HIS GENERATIONS, KILL HIS ANIMALS (AND CHILDREN) AND ARRANGE FOR HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTERS TO GET RAPED. IMAGINE THAT FOR A SEC. NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE MAN DIRECTLY. BUT HIS WIFE AND DESCENDANTS BEARS HIS CROSS. SO MUCH FOR A WISE AND JUST GOD. ]

CAPSLOCKED:

TO SAY THAT THE BIBLE MUST BE CATEGORIZED INTO THE OLD TESTAMENT (THE LAW) AND NEW TESTAMENT (WHEN THE HERO, JESUS, ENTERS TO FREE MANKIND) IS TO YIELD THAT YOUR GOD (THE FATHER OF JESUS. WHO HAPPENS TO BE ONE AND SAME PERSON) IS NOT PERFECT.
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CAPSLOCKED:

HE MUST HAVE GOTTEN UP ONE MORNING AND REALIZED HOW TERRIBLY HE FUCCD UP IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BY ENCOURAGING WARS, RAPE, MISOGYNY, GENOCIDE AND OTHER TERRIBLE THINGS.. AND DECIDED TO CORRECT HIS WRONGS BY SENDING HIS SON JESUS (STILL HIMSELF) TO COME AND REWRITE HISTORY, IN NO BETTER WISER WAY THAN SUICIDE.
VERY GOOD. ]

Hiccups:


The scripture quoted was perniciously misrepresented by OP, these verses was explicit about usurping authority by women. Implications being a woman can but must be under a man's authority. The op also claim prophesies was only given to women in places other than church without no reasonable evidence. OP can't claim to be God who now knows where and when women received prophecies. I insist Bible implied a woman can teach and preach anywhere but must be under authority of man.

alBHAGDADI:
Show me a verse that shows a woman prophesying in Church.

I don't claim to be God, I am only standing on His word which states that women should not teach in Church. How don't you understand that?

Ihateyoumod:


But the man quoted scripture where Paul clearly stated that women shouldn't teach in churches.....or r u saying u haven't read tht part. If u haven't re-read the post. It is clearly written there.

alBHAGDADI:


Will you shut up with your bloody heresy?

How dare you rubbish Apostle Paul' word against women teaching? Don't you know he was speaking under the authority of Jesus Christ when he made that statement? Even Jesus Christ Himself supported his stance in the book of Revelations when He pointed out the wrongs the 7 churches of Asia were doing.

Revelations 2:20
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Look at the way you rubbished Paul's clear teaching backed up by Jesus, simply because of your own selfish gain. No wonder see Funke Adejumo is scamming your likes.

..That is to say the words of Jesus which is the same as what Paul said

Are we now to throw the new testament Bible away, because last I remember, Paul wrote majority of it?

People like you can go ahead and support homosexuals and every vile things Paul wrote against, and leave us to continue following his word.

You are a satanist telling Christians to throw away the Bible.

May God punish you for this.

paxonel:
and you think this your fundamentalistic approach of attacking without being reasonable will work in christianity this modern day?
You must be joking
if it was truly Jesus stance like you said, show me where revelation indicated that women speaking to address the church was part of the wrongs Jesus pointed out out
is there any man or woman teaching Christians and to seduce them to commit fornication today?

If there is anything like that today, trust me, that kind church will never last.

No Female pastor or male pastor do encourage fornication to his or her members.

All these one you are misinterpreting revelation just to suit your point, i don't know.
Mr man you must learn to be objective you are not practicing Islam here.

The woman is a scammer we all know that.
We also have male pastors scamming people too.
Infact, she learnt the scamming from her male colleagues.

All I'm saying is, scamming does not depend on whether the pastor is male or female
not this one that has to do with women addressing the church or not.

Yes, Paul was speaking the mind of christ at every point in time, but some other times he was proned to mistakes like every other human and this particular one that has to with women preaching was a mistake.

Perhaps out ignorance that times were going to change.
if you choose to throw the whole new testament away that's your own cup of tea.

You are likened to be a hungry man throwing the whole fruit away simply because he just discovered a tiny black spot on it.

A wise man will use knife and calve out the black spot and the whole fruit is fit enough again for consumption.

You have heard of how boko haram kills infidels?
They got the doctrine from the Quran

But how is it is not all Muslims who hates infidels?
Because wise Muslims calve out doctrines that are not compartible to justice and equity in the society.

The same thing applies here.
Female marginalization can never be compatible to the church, the family or society.
Not this modern day again.
so because I'm against marginalization of females I'm automatically supporting homosexuality?
You try
that is your own view
don't sound like a religious terrorist, God is not one

orisa37:
Women Preachers are Proud, authoritative, beautiful and ravishing. They always look intimidating on The Suggestus.
I am not a Hypocrite. Our Lord tolerated Mary Magdalene. She was an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

Hiccups:


The onions lies with op to show evidence to claims made not me. Let's not misrepresent Bible. I have showed you Eph 2:20. It says a lot about Apostles and prophets critical role in church. Why would op agree there are prophetess and in same breadth disagree church was not one of the place for them to prophesy. Can you or OP explain Eph 2:20?

orisa37:
Whoever preaches, male or female, do not condone unrighteousness!!!

alBHAGDADI:


I'm sorry, I should have known you didn't read the OP at all. Now see the portion of the book of Revelations where Jesus said the same thing as Paul .

Revelations 2:20

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Now, if you still want to argue blindly, then I'm not your entertaining party.

paxonel:
and i have said there is no female preacher who is encouraging her member to commit fornication, not even funke adejumo who is scamming people.

That Rev. Funke is scamming people not because she is a female.

orisa37:
God threatened to kill Abimelech the moment Sarah showed up. That's to say God has special Morality for women and It's not in men's hands to manipulate women for God. God Only is a Specialist in this field.

paxonel:
specifically, people of Paul of the apostles time who were Christians were never mandated to offer sacrifices of ram for the atonement of their sins.

Yet Ram was sacrificed in the bible yes or no?

Do you see now that certain things are changing as times are changing?
That God is not the same, yesterday, today and forever as we Christians are putting him to be?

dalaman:


God himself according to the bible saI'd he is the same yesterday today and forever. He made the statement himself according to the bible. So what exactly are you saying? Or do you disagree with the statement from the biblical God?

alBHAGDADI:
You know what your problem is? You are quick to reject anything that has to do with God, and that has blinded you to the point that you can't even understand simple English. You make it seem like the verse is just about women teaching fornication. Let's see if that's the only thing the verse said.

Revelations 2:20
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

It says to teach and to seduce. This means Jesus is against women not only seducing peOple to commit fornication, but also teaching. Please try lower your hate for truth and God, because it will help you a lot in things as little as understanding simple English.

paxonel:
a lot of Christians when they are asked, why are they so dogmatic enough to express their false view or doctrines without looking at the other side of facts, they will say God is the same, yesterday, today and forever, nothing can change him.

Doctrines are not God
If God is not changing doctrines can be changed to suit the present realities of life so long that such realities are desirable.

Gender equality is something desirable and should not be creepled by wrong doctrines or beliefs.

As a matter of fact, Christians should be at the forefront pursuing justice and equity going by the legacies of Jesus Christ.

paxonel:
ok,
From your own understanding, the scripture mentioned "TO TEACH" as a seperate entity
Then "TO SEDUCE" as another entity different from to teach.
That it was not referring the woman Jezebel teaching seduction?

Ok, no wahalla

Whether she teach people to seduce or not the point is, she was seducing people herself and Jesus was reacting to her wrong not to the fact that she was a woman teaching

If the woman Jezebel was not truly seducing people don't you think that christ will not have problem of her teaching?

Because I am not seeing Rev Funke Adejumo seducing people, I'm seeing her teaching, so she can never fall into the category of Jezebel

orisa37:
All Born Agains, women inclusive, are Born of The Holy Spirit and ordained by God to talk and preach all they know about Christ.
Born Again is certification to anyone to talk and preach The Holy Spirit.

orisa37:
Mary, filled The Holy Spirit, SANG The Magnificat(Her Magnificent Feelings), Magnidicus et Magnificus Voluntas before a Group of The Faithful Shepherds(Church).
THAT WAS PREACHING ORDAINED BY GOD!!!