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Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 3:17pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
For thousands of years now, many have been led to believe in the doctrine of hell fire. Biblically, this teaching has no basis. Some invoke the expression recorded in Revelation 21:8 and Rev 19:20, I.e. the 'lake of fire' or 'lake that burns with sulfur'as evidence of hell fire. Others point to Jesus parable about the rich man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16:19-31. While these Bible verses speak of punishment in fire, they are not to be taken literally. The language in which the Book of Revelation was written, were all symbolic. Also, the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, was an illustration directed at the proud pharisees, who believed they were favoured before God. Jesus used the illustration to let the pharisees realized that, things have changed for the ordinary Israelites, with the arrival of the messiah. God stopped using the pharisees to teach the Jews the law, with the coming of Jesus Christ .With the presence of Gods son teaching the Jews directly about God, the spiritual condition of the Jews became elevated while the Pharisees were debased. Seeing the changed condition of the jews, and the judgment message of Jesus against the Pharisees, they became enraged at Jesus. Interestingly, Jesus Christ ended the role of the Pharisees as teachers of the law, when he established Christianity.Since the birth of the Christian congregation, the ordinary Jews and later the Gentiles, became opportuned to worship God freely. Yet, as simple as the illustration of the rich man and pharisees were, the religions of today have latched on to it, as proof that hell fire existed. The Pharisees that Jesus directed the message to knew that Jesus was talking to them. They knew the meaning that, spiritually speaking, their position as teachers of the law had changed forever with Jesus presence. And that the common man they looked down upon is now favoured with the previlegde of been taught the way of Christ, which opens to them the direct opportunity of communicating with God. Hence, to those who misconstrue, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of hell fire, it is good to read that account again, to get the import of the parable. According to first John 4:8, God is Love. Can a God of love burn his sinning creatures in fire? What do you think? To answer it clearly, think about yourself for a moment. Can you burn your child in fire for sinning or doing something you forbid? Can you ? Well, I can't. As a human, how many of us even think about using fire as a possible means to punish criminals? Few, if any. How many human government burn criminals alive? None! If humans in General Dont do it, why do people now want God to do it? If human government Dont burn criminals in fire, is it God that we now burn his own creature in everlasting fire? God is love. If humans, Dont do it, God can't do it. We are made in God s image, remember. If you can't do it, because it looks unjust, then, God cannot do it. Also, there is no record in the Genesis account of creation, of how God created Hellfire and where it is located.Where is hellfire located ?Who created it? Where is evidence that God created it? The bible recorded how God created everything, including the sun, moon and stars.How come it is silent about hellfire? Now God told Adam, that if he sins against him, he would go back to the dust.Because he created him from the dust. Now if Adam returned to the dust as God told him, how come his children go the hell fire as popularly claimed by churches of today? God specifically told Adam in Genesis 3:19- For dust you are, and to dust, you will return. But churches now say, for dust you are and to hellfire you will return. Can God lie? Who knows better, God or churches? Where do we go at death? Is Adam in hell fire? Which hell fire? According to God is statement to Adam, at death, he returned to dust, to a state of none existence. Adam was none existent before God created him. At death, he returned to that state signified by dust. But churches say no. We do not die. We continue to live but in hell fire. So a lot of people end up believing the big lie that hell fire exist . God cannot lie.Satan is the only one that can burn sinners in hellfire, an imaginary place he has created to paint God as a wicked person who can debase his human creation by burning the sinners amongst them in hell fire. Now, did God burn Adam in hell fire after he sinned, and became the first sinner on earth? What's your answer? If Adam didn't go to hell fire, as the first sinner, does it make sense to believe that his children and all sinners are in hell fire? |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by PUSSYBBQGRILLS(f): 3:20pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
No hell. 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 3:34pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
PUSSYBBQGRILLS:You are correct. 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by DeSepiero(m): 3:38pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Well, there's hell on earth in Africa. 5 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 3:53pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
DeSepiero: The original Greek word translated hell means the common 'grave'. Life in Africa is hard....I agree with you that there is hell( hardship, not hell fire) in Africa). In the future, The whole world will become a beautiful paradise for man' s enjoyment.God promises to balance things earth wide by means of his Kingdom. Psalms 37:11. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by federal9: 3:56pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Let me ask the Op a question Suppose I buy a gun and loaded it with bullets,then I see you coming towards me, I just feel like killing and I bring out my gun and shoot straight at you. Now you eventually die. Now, my first? is Where do you think am going,when I die? Have you heard of unquenchable fire? Have you read these words in the bible, " weeping and gnashing of teeth"?. What happens when fire come in contact with your skin or spirit? you shout ayiii and your teeth will gnash. WISDOM! Wisdom! wisdom!. 5 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by hopefulLandlord: 4:00pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
federal9: Same place the guy you shot goes after he's dead. in the ground where he decomposes and turns to fertilizers of fossil fuels 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by federal9: 4:08pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Then if it's the same place, I won't blame those that kill. It can never be the same place. 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by hopefulLandlord: 4:10pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
federal9: So you're saying heaven and hell somehow acts as a reward for good and bad deeds respectively? like its responsible for moral accountability? 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 6:32pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Thanks for your reply to his question. At death, you return to the dust. The difference between yourself and him is this, your actions are wicked and deliberate, for which God will choose not to resurrect you because you did it intentionally. Unless of course, you genuinely repented before his death. The fact that people commit crimes does change the fact that at death, they all go back to the dust. If you like kill as many as you wish and do all the evil you wish, at death you return to the dust without hope of any future resurrection, that God reserves for his righteous servants and many ignorant sinners of old. |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by hopefulLandlord: 6:38pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Restroom: My own position is empirically proven whereas yours is based on speculation and faith. anything and everything can be claimed to be true on faith so its a terrible way of making claims 8 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 7:38pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: If you know the truth, it shall set you free |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by hopefulLandlord: 7:42pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Restroom:The "truth" you're talking 'bout is based on faith though |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 7:44pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Truth is of on God, who cannot lie |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 7:44pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Truth is from God, who cannot lie |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Primesky(m): 11:14pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Restroom: My dear, hell fire exist!. Please be careful not to deceive people here. You don't use human wisdom to interpret the word if God. You think Jesus Christ came down Rosie for fun?. He came to ensure we don't go there!. Human permutations can't change the reality of hell. Telling yourself that he'll doesn't exist may make you feel comfortable now, but it won't exempt you from falling into it if you don't truly repent. Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Hell exist!. Be warned, don't fall for the deception. Jesus Christ is the way to life. Salvais now!. 6 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Peacefullove: 12:15am On Jul 30, 2018 |
Primesky: Use your sense now It says Lake of fire is second DEATH If you don't know what death is, Kill your hen and study what happens after. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Nobody: 1:03am On Jul 30, 2018 |
Restroom: Hold it right there! Explain the scripture below. Ezekiel 14: 9 - And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. What does it mean to deceive a person? Your god is an hardened criminal like Anini ![]() Unless Adeboye & Oyedepo pay me 6Billion Naira each - from the Sheeples & the Lord's money, I am going to demarket Christianity and everything it stands for. Hahahahahaaaa! ![]() 5 Likes
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Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 1:10pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
Primesky: Is Adam in hell fire? Take a look at God's past judgement of sinners in Noah time, Sodom and Gomorrah and even Jerusalem in 607 BCE. What can we learn from these accounts? God destroys evil doers once and for all. God cannot give everlasting life to sinners by keeping them burning forever in hell fire. No. The wicked are destroyed permanently. You think God have time and the heart of Satan to roast sinners in fire forever? Some times, because we refuse to critically examine some demonic teachings, we make the mistake of believing that God can be heartless like the devil. Now if God can burn sinners in hell fire, which one then can Satan do? God says has said the wages of sin is death. Churches and their members say no, na lie na hell fire Okay, if God now say it is hell fire, what do you think Satan would call God? Will Satan not say God is heartless? Well God is holy, my dear. And wether you agree or not, he didn't burn Adam in hell fire. So, no human has ever been burned in that fake hell fire churches preach everywhere, because it does not exist. God is love. The wages sin pays, is death.For the wicked, it is death without hope of a resurrection. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Nobody: 5:20pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
"Ye are of your Father the devil and the deeds of your father you will do" not everybody is children of God. And where the devil has been condemn to his children too will be. As dear children of God we are to be mindful of following God's commands carefully.. Jesus said If you love me you will obey my commandments, this is of utmost priority. |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 7:22pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
Tosinex: The jugdement reserved for the Devil, is destruction.And his followers will meet the same fate. |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Bibings(f): 7:46pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
What you don't know is that man has a soul, spirit and lives in a body. When a person dies, the body becomes dust, his soul and spirit either goes to heaven or he'll depending on how he lived his life on earth. Never try to explain spiritual things with a carnal mind! Never! Do not be deceived at all: heaven and earth is real! The earlier you make the decision to serve Jesus all the days of your life, the better! Restroom: 3 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 9:49pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
Bibings: Kindly prove that hell fire is real. Where did God create Adam from? Before Adam was created where was he? In heaven? Hell? or Simply none existent? What is your response. What did God tell Adam when he ate the forbidden fruit? Did God tell Adam: You will go back to dust but your spirit will go to hell fire or for out of dust you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return. Which one of the above option does Genesis 3:19 states? In sentencing Adam to death, did God ever mention the word hell fire ? Are you ascribing to God, what he never said or did? Why are you lying on Gods head so to speak? Please answer these two questions. Religions of this world have turned the Bible upside down. And have made their members to believe false hood about God. Prove it that Adam spirit left him, and went to hell fire. Dont just blab , prove it Biblically that Adam went to hell fire and If you can prove it from the Bible in the next 1million years, then, I will believe. Supply facts. Dont just talk without facts. Show me from your Bible, evidence of Adam punishment in hell fire. If you can't, prove it, it means what you believe is pure falsehood. And that you Dont know your left from your right. If heavens does not exist, where does God reside? Psalms 11:4. Were are we now? Is it not earth? Did I say heaven and earth is not real? Learn to speak truth always and not ascribe what someone didn't say to him. It amounts to lying in case you Dont know. 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by sonmvayina(m): 11:00pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
Hell was created to wipe people into line... We are Gods on a human journey.. We are part of God and God is part of us.. Now why will God send part of it self to hell? |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Restroom: 7:32am On Aug 01, 2018 |
sonmvayina: There is a difference between Hell and Hell fire The original meaning of hell in the Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek language is grave. Hell means the common grave of mankind This word hell is found in the bible and repeatedly used in reference to grave. Even Jesus Christ went to hell. Do you know that? But hell fire, which Christendom leaders claim is the place of torment reserved for sinners is not found in the Bible. Now, when you keep repeating yourself and saying that hell fire is real without bringing up proof, does that in itself not show, you Dont have any proof? So your only option is to keep repeating yourself, and claiming that hell fire exist. That is okay. You are free to keep saying hell fire exist. The more you do so, without supplying your evidence, the more it shows, that you Dont have any solid basis for what you believe. Imagine u believing in something, but cant come forward with tangible facts for what you believe. That is the classical definition of indoctrination and brain washing. Please lay out the facts: Who created hell fire? Where in the universe is it located? How many people are there now? Is Adam in hellfire? Who is the manager of hellfire? Does he have staff who do shift? How old is hell fire? How wide or deep is hellfire? Please give me the answers to these questions from the Bible. I will be very happy if you can. Let's stop decieving ourselves and lying against God, by inputting to him the satanic doctrine of hellfire. |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Nobody: 7:38am On Aug 01, 2018 |
"Heaven is real,Hell is real" says the churchgoers because they stands by the old tradition of the Orthodox Churches who kept tormenting suspected witches till death during the dark ages. The churches don't understand why wicked people should be spared so they want them to die again and again but that's not how the true God feels.Jeremiah 7:31 Adam sinned and was told "you will return to dust" Genesis 3:17-19 But the Churches are teaching people that Adam died halfway because according to their teaching He(Adam) comprises of a body,a soul and a spirit. Whereas they're indirectly supporting Satan's assertion that "SINNERS WON'T REALLY DIE" (Genesis 3:4) Satan also added "but you will be like God knowing good and bad" Genesis 3:5 this is the reason why most people in every land believe that "at death the person has gain supernatural powers to do and undo since he/she has become like God(who cannot be seen but can see everything)" Really at death NOTHING survives in us because when we die our only hope of active life again is resurrection! John 5:28,29 11:23-26 compared to Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 9:4-10 True Christians believe in resurrection so after death it is our only hope of having dealings with our dead loved ones again. The first death is the one Adam brought upon all of us so whether you're good or not you'll be affected. Romans 5:12 The second death is direct judgment from God so this only affects those who failed to do God's will therefore the "lake of fire" is appropriate word to describe the second death because they will never exist again since God in whose hands the hope of living is don't feel like seeing them again! Revelation 20:15 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Bibings(f): 4:10pm On Aug 03, 2018 |
I am sorry if I misquoted you. Read the book of Revelations then you will know that hell is real. Restroom: 1 Like |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by sKeetz(m): 4:39pm On Aug 03, 2018 |
Bibings: Read the book of Harry Potter and you'll know Voldemort is real. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Bibings(f): 4:44pm On Aug 03, 2018 |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Peacefullove: 7:46pm On Aug 03, 2018 |
Bibings: Funny, explain to me how this proved hell fire ? |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by sKeetz(m): 8:38pm On Aug 03, 2018 |
Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by Primesky(m): 9:28am On Aug 04, 2018 |
Restroom: This is absolute falsehood teaching and a wicked one at that. God is love, that's a fact, but don't ever try to rationalize what God can do. God made hell fire for the devil to punish him and his colleagues for their sin. Satan filled with rage and jealousy, decided that since God will go that length in punishing him in such a terrible way because of sin, he will ensure he doesn't go there alone, at least the very creature God loves most, which is man will have to go along with him. Please, stop misinterpreting the scriptures. The bible is clear about this matter. Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: The scripture above tells you about an everlasting fire, originally prepared for the devil, but if you follow the devil to sin, then he is your god, so you will go with him there. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. After the death of this disobedient spirits long ago, which were long dead, Jesus went to the prison of hell to give to them the gospel message as well, since they never heard it in their time. Stop making the punishment of God a light thing. If a criminal knows that if he's condemned, he will just die off and that ends it, why should he bother himself with striving to do right, after all he will just die and go. But there's no such thing!. That's the lie of the devil. Be careful, lest while trying to defend your religion,you make God himself a liar!. If you die unworthy of Christ,you will spend your eternity in hell fire. If you die in Christ,you will spend your eternity in heaven. You can't deny this. The story of the Rich man and Lazarus, which Jesus told is enough in itself to tell you the reality over there. A man in the torment of fire, not dieing, yet in full anguish, was asking for water to cool his thirst. Don't wave it aside as a parable or whatever, that's the truth in plain light. Stop giving people false hope. Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Hell fire is real!. Heaven is also real. Chose to believe in Jesus Christ today, that's the only way out. Salvation is now!. 5 Likes |
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