frank317:
Why will God help only those who help themselves? Where did he say this? If ur child is sick, will u not take him to hospital if he does not contribute a portion of his hospital bill?

frank317:
Sorry this thread is a pure comic relief.

God did not help the people because they were not united.
Of what use will he be if the people were already united? Do u think a united people would have needed his help? I put it to u that a united people are already a strong hold against opposition, with or without any silly God.

vaxx:
it means people who help themselves. People who take care of their own responsibilities will have better things happen in their lives then people who don’t. So your child is part of your responsibility.

Like many religious people, they don’t do much to take care of their own problems, and instead wish that an outside force would intervene on their behalf. It’s fine to hope to be blessed/have good things happen, but that wishing can’t be your primary way of dealing with the problems of life.

A similar saying is like trust in your security guide but untie your dog while sleeping at night.

vaxx:
Be in unity is part of dicision making that eshu philosophy is all about which Yoruba tribe forsake when they were enslaved.

You need to ask question directly and not always in christain perspective.

frank317:

Agreed, people who take care of their own responsibilities are likely to have better things happen in their lives than people who don't. This is all it is... Not God helping them because they are helping themselves. If any God should help anyone, it should he those who can't help themselves.


If I believe in God i will expect him to help me to make life extremely easier... What is the essence believing in God if my life will be no different from someone who does not care about God. I don't think lazy religious people should be blamed for waiting do external help.
And God should define his role... Its either he is there to help or not.



Lol... Its either my security guide is useless or he is more effective with my dog untied... Either way, the security guide will not deserve so much pay for this.

frank317:


Does our disunity affect eshu in any way? Why do humans need to follow eshu philosophy to know that they will progress better. This is common sense not eshu philosophy. Eshu should teach us what we don't know not what we know.

Further, does eshu even consider some of those inevitable circumstances that leads to disunity among humans? Unity actually comes with a price. What's eshu philosophy teaching about overcoming those inevitable circumstances that leads to disunity... Its not just about teaching unity which even animals know about.

vaxx:
This thread is not for what its God role and purpose,it is where was dorisha/olodumare during slavery. In which I position my argument on disunity.

Orisha/olodumare already gave an approach to live as human and that is unity which Yoruba forsake....

However, if you will be interested in knowing the roles and duty of olodumare in the cosmos.Create a thread on that and give me a mention.

It is even a flaw to engage in a debate you had no knowledge about. Why don't you question the philosophy first . Then we can have a go.

frank317:


How exactly would orisha have helped our fore fathers if they were actually united

vaxx:
now. You just ask a reasonable question. Orisha is not one entity somewhere looking for whom to help .It Is you that symbolize oriaha. Orisha is in you . Therefore the power to help yourself lies in the dicision and indicition you will make.

"" ORUNMILA WI ENIYAN NI DORISHA . LITERALLY MEANS, IT IS HUMAN WHO TURNS TO ORISHA.

frank317:
Why will God help only those who help themselves? Where did he say this? If ur child is sick, will u not take him to hospital if he does not contribute a portion of his hospital bill?

vaxx:
it means people who help themselves. People who take care of their own responsibilities will have better things happen in their lives then people who don’t. So your child is part of your responsibility.

Like many religious people, they don’t do much to take care of their own problems, and instead wish that an outside force would intervene on their behalf. It’s fine to hope to be blessed/have good things happen, but that wishing can’t be your primary way of dealing with the problems of life.

A similar saying is like trust in your security guide but untie your dog while sleeping at night.

vaxx:

"ORUNMILA WI ENIYAN NI DORISHA" . LITERALLY MEANS, IT IS HUMAN WHO TURNS TO ORISHA.

budaatum:

And in Christian language, loosely translated,
"Know ye that ye are gods!"

budaatum:

So basically, if I help myself, Olodumare, the gods, will help too. Would they add to my help, I wonder, or does all the effort have to come from me?

If you consider 'the gods', to be the the primitives way of saying 'knowledge', 'understanding', and ultimately 'wisdom', one can see how this might work. The gods l would make me realise the need for hospitals and well trained doctors and nurses who are full of knowledge so that when my child is ill I can take him there to be healed. Unfortunately, religion has decided that the knowledge of the gods is to believe whatever I am told so all I got is the preacher and his church!

i do propose we kill our 'gods' and abandon 'belief'. That is what other nations had to do and which made some smart and strong so that they were the masters and we ended up with chains around our necks

vaxx:

They present toxic role models/country for you and you follow them, thereby you are now in the interest of destroying the orisha that lives inside you.

budaatum:

I thank my Orisha therefore, that I am an atheist. For my Orisha is not destroyed by any priest or church, be they of Olodumare or Yahweh!

vaxx:
understand what it means. When Yoruba use the word olodumare.

budaatum:

The presumption that the Omo Oba Orun would not know his father is rather comical I dare say, despite my position that the father and the son are distinct separate entities. Except I expect no better from those who worship him, I guess.

Olodumare means pretty much the same as God, vaxx. Same attributes and powers to boot!

frank317:
Why will God help only those who help themselves? Where did he say this? If ur child is sick, will u not take him to hospital if he does not contribute a portion of his hospital bill?

vaxx:
To some degree, this is applicable. But in pratical. It violate Yoruba vocabulary.


Visit this my thread. to check yourself......https://www.nairaland.com/3757995/stop-calling-name-god-it

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GOD ONLY HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES IS ON THE LIST OF THE TOP 5 MOST STUPID STATEMENTS EVER MADE.
WHICH IDĮOT FIRST SAID SOMETHING THAT RIDICULOUS?

LIKE IF I READ FOR AN EXAM AND THEN PASS, GOD HELPED ME.
BUT IF I FELL ILL BEFORE THE EXAM AND THEREFORE COULDN'T PREPARE.. AND FAILED, THEN GOD DIDN'T HELP ME CUS I DIDN'T HELP MYSELF?
OR IF I JUMP OUT THE WINDOW OF A BURNING VEHICLE THEN GOD HELPED ME BUT IF I COULDN'T BECAUSE MY LEG WAS STUCK OR I COULDN'T SEE THROUGH THE SMOKE.. AND DIED IN THE FIRE, THEN GOD DIDN'T HELP ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T HELP MYSELF? WHY DIDN'T HE PUT OUT THE FIRE, OR PREVENT EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THROUGHOUT HIS EXISTENCE, MAN HAS STRUGGLED TO MAKE HIS LIFE BETTER, HEALTHIER, AND LONGER. HE DEVELOPED VACCINES AND CURE FOR MANY DISEASES. HE HAS BUILT MACHINES AND CITIES AND TRIES TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN EVERY COMPONENT OF NATURE. OF THE UNIVERSE.
HE SAVES HIMSELF WHEN HE CAN AND PROVIDES WHAT HE CAN AFFORD.
HE ALONE DESERVE ALL THE PRAISE AND GLORY, AND NOT MYTHICAL DEITIES THAT ARE NOT THERE AND WILL NEVER BE.

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GOD ONLY HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES IS ON THE LIST OF THE TOP 5 MOST STUPID STATEMENTS EVER MADE.
WHICH IDĮOT FIRST SAID SOMETHING THAT RIDICULOUS?

LIKE IF I READ FOR AN EXAM AND THEN PASS, GOD HELPED ME.
BUT IF I FELL ILL BEFORE THE EXAM AND THEREFORE COULDN'T PREPARE.. AND FAILED, THEN GOD DIDN'T HELP ME CUS I DIDN'T HELP MYSELF?
OR IF I JUMP OUT THE WINDOW OF A BURNING VEHICLE THEN GOD HELPED ME BUT IF I COULDN'T BECAUSE MY LEG WAS STUCK OR I COULDN'T SEE THROUGH THE SMOKE.. AND DIED IN THE FIRE, THEN GOD DIDN'T HELP ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T HELP MYSELF? WHY DIDN'T HE PUT OUT THE FIRE, OR PREVENT EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THROUGHOUT HIS EXISTENCE, MAN HAS STRUGGLED TO MAKE HIS LIFE BETTER, HEALTHIER, AND LONGER. HE DEVELOPED VACCINES AND CURE FOR MANY DISEASES. HE HAS BUILT MACHINES AND CITIES AND TRIES TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN EVERY COMPONENT OF NATURE. OF THE UNIVERSE.
HE SAVES HIMSELF WHEN HE CAN AND PROVIDES WHAT HE CAN AFFORD.
HE ALONE DESERVE ALL THE PRAISE AND GLORY, AND NOT MYTHICAL DEITIES THAT ARE NOT THERE AND WILL NEVER BE.

frank317:
Sorry this thread is a pure comic relief.

God did not help the people because they were not united.
Of what use will he be if the people were already united? Do u think a united people would have needed his help? I put it to u that a united people are already a strong hold against opposition, with or without any silly God.

frank317:


This is why religious folks must define what Gods help really is

The op actually define orisha as mans survival instict

budaatum:

Your position on that thread would be like asking a Muslim to stop calling God, Allah. You did say "The truth is universal". So it hardly ought to matter what language one uses. The fact is that everyone defines their own Orisha. And delegating it to an external being, albeit supreme, is a gross act of neglecting ones responsibility to oneself. And those as such cannot be responsible for others, since they are themselves enslaved.

vaxx:
now. You just ask a reasonable question. Orisha is not one entity somewhere looking for whom to help .It Is you that symbolize orisha. Orisha is in you . Therefore the power to help yourself lies in the dicision and indicition you will make.

"" ORUNMILA WI ENIYAN NI DORISHA . LITERALLY MEANS, IT IS HUMAN WHO TURNS TO ORISHA.

tintingz:
Is Olorun a human?

vaxx:
The original word is actually olodumare. Olorun are part of is attribute.

The Yoruba understanding of olodumare t is a single creative force. We believe The Universe in it’s entirety springs from that single source.A consciousness big enough to encompass the entire of creation. Everything we know is part of Olodumare, as is everything we are yet to discover.