cheruv:

Aros migrated from Nri/Nshi/Nhi as businessmen before arriving at and conquering Arochukwu in 1700. The only non Igbo group they have relationship with are the Ibibio, who they conquered Arochukwu from during the Aro-Ibibio wars.
Like I told your brother omofunav in another thread, stop claiming relationship where there's none.
As for the topic at hand, Idu has no relationship with Igbos... Yes they conquered Anioma in the 1570s but were defeated and expelled from Anioma during the great Ubulu war of 1755. And since after that war, Idu has focused their conquests westwards.
The people you see claiming Bini influence in Igboland are descendants of the Bini soldiers that were allowed to settle after their army was defeated in the ubulu war...that's the same thing you see among some Northern Igbos that claim igala. After their troops were crushed in the battle of lake omelu-Igala in the 1800s, the scattered remains of their army settled among the northern population, give rise to the current igala in Anambra and Enugwu states

I AM NOT SAYING AROS HAVE RELATIONSHIP WITH YORUBAS, LEARNT FROM YORUBAS AND ETC. OF COURSE NOT BUT THEY GOT ESSENTIALLY SAME RESULTS!. THAT IS THE ISSUE

THE AROS LEARNT POLITICAL ORGANISATION SKILLS FROM THE IBIBIO. THEY WERE IBIBIO WHO BECAME IGBOS

THE REAL IGBOS WERE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT STATESMANSHIP, NATION BUILDING AND ETC IN THE PAST

TO THE WEST, IGBOS ARE UNDER THE HEAVY INFLUENCE OF YORUBAIDU AND IGALA

BENIN IS YORUBA, LEARN THAT TODAY. EDO WAS JUST A DISTRICT LANGUAGE. ANYTHING BENIN EMPIRE IS YORUBA. BENIN EMPIRE HAD MANY INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES BUT YORUBA WAS LINGUA FRANCA AND THE BENIN CAPITAL WAS YORUBA, EVEN BENIN PALACE ALONE WAS A YORUBA CITY OF WELL OVER 50,000 PEOPLE THAT SPOKE ONLY YORUBA. YORUBA PALACES USED TO BE CITIES ON THEIR OWN

EDO PEOPLE CAME FROM THE SUBURBS AFTER THE EMPIRE FELL

AND AMONG IGBOS, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE NOW BRANDED OSUS ARE OF YORUBA DESCENT, EVEN DNA WILL CONFIRM THIS

lawani:



BENIN IS IBINU AND THAT IS A YORUBA WORD. THE CAPITAL WAS A YORUBA CITY LIKE OWO OR WARRI SURROUNDED BY EDO SPEAKERS IN THE SUBURBS. YOU FIND EDO SPEAKERS IN BENIN AND SUBURBS ONLY. NOWHERE ELSE TILL TODAY WHEREAS YOU FIND YORUBA TOWNS BESIDE ASABA, WARRI IS A YORUBA TOWN AND ALL URHOBO, IJAW IN THE OLD IWERE STATE (WARRI) SPOKE YORUBA IN THE PAST WITH THEIR LANGUAGE. SO, BASIC REASONING EVEN WITHOUT RESEARCH SHOULD TELL YOU THAT BENIN EMPIRE WAS YORUBA LIKE OTHER YORUBA STATES. YOU ADDRESS BENIN OFFICERS ONLY IN YORUBA, THE BRITISH CORRESPONDED WITH THEM IN YORUBA LANGUAGE NEVER EDO WHICH WAS A DISTRICT LANGUAGE LIKE URHOBO, IJAW, ORA AND ETC. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

NRI HAD A LEVEL OF ORGANISATION BUT IT WAS NOT A STATE. A STATE REQUIRES AN EZE AND LARGE CITIES AND IGBOS HAD NONE. THE ARO CAPITAL WAS A CITY COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO YORUBA OR HAUSA CITIES BUT OTHER IGBOS HAD NO SUCH CITIES. EVIDENTLY THE AROS STARTED OFF AS IBIBIOS, THEN THE IGBO LANGUAGE AND CULTURE LATER PREDOMINATED BUT NOT WHOLLY. ARO IS NOT NRI CULTURALLY.

cheruv:

Aro came from Nri... There's nothing like they started off as Ibibio bla bla bla
Nri had an Eze... He was a priest king unlike the Eze Aro who was a nominal king.
Your yaps about Idu being an yoruba enclave in a Bini sea looks so farfetched to me...at times I wonder whether you think am a child you can be telling such lies you can't even back your lies up
Stop talking about Igboland kos all you peddle here are lies..all in a bid to show that yoruba culture is superior.
At times I wonder why you yorubas are like this

ehikwe22:
Well, his lies are not as much as yours. I've been observing your post and wondering if you're even from Anioma like you are claiming here.

ehikwe22:
Well, his lies are not as much as yours. I've been observing your post and wondering if you're even from Anioma like you are claiming here.

RedboneSmith:
He is from Imo State. The problem with liars on this board is that they tend not to remember that it is possible to go back and check their posting history.

RedboneSmith:


He is from Imo State. The problem with liars on this board is that they tend not to remember that it is possible to go back and check their posting history.

Returnee Slaves only own Campos and Lafiagi area - they don't own all of Isale-Eko, Idumagbo and other places are owned by mostly Aworis and a few Ijebus,

aljharem:


tell me a word that is similar to edo and igbo ?

even onitsha aka anambra is a yoruba town

north east anmbra is part of igala town

the edos had cloths you never until you got incontact with the hausa,yoruba and edos.

so tell me the similarity,

sbeezy8:


makes no sense.



I dont know what you mean. It was the edos that said yorubas descended from them and the yorubas who said the edos descended from them.

Was is not the edos that claimed Oba of Lagos is bini origin. so how is that yoruba dominance.

and dont know if you can read or not but there is no culture in Nigeria surrounding the SW that has had Strong cultuural influence on yoruba. even if half the yorubas today are not yoruba in origin. who will tell them otherwise.

Igbomina werent yoruba before but they are now. an Oyo person cannot understand igbomina or Ijebu.

oyatz:
Returnee ex-slaves don't own anywhere, they only SETTLED on the portion Of Isale-Eko allocated to them by the indigenous Awori land owners.

googi:
Wow!

I did not realize that Dele Giwa, Dele Momodu, Segun Ogini, Ayegun, Apata etc are from Bini or Edo. I thought they were from the West. May be the Mid-West got me confused.

We cannot let E-Warrior know this, they will expel all the Bini that are Yoruba from Edo State. Hopefully with their Oba that always lease land at coronation from Ogiso children.

We learn something everyday!

Olu317:
All in the name to group all different ethnic groups into one?You amaze me bro. I wish you have visited some local stalls,market places to see how the common people differentiate themselves,even among same ethnic groups.
Kindly stop muddling issue up. Southern Nigeria aren't the same group of people even if there were later mutual relationship between different ethnic group or clans,after series of engagement on the war front.
Nupe as you mentioned were Bariba,Tapa, Baruba,Éfà people, Igala extention etc and had been a long enemy of neighbouring towns of Yoruba groups, even if the word‘ Yoruba' became uniformly used around 18th-19th century to cover all Yoruba,irrespctive of location. A proverb illustrate this; oyatz, kindly ask a grounded yorubaman or woman to explain what it means to say, ‘à yè gbà Tàpà tàn o fé kò'lè igunu'. Does this mean,Yoruba and Tapa are same stock? Of course not . All migrants outside Ileife, during and after Odua took cognisance of their ancestral connection to ILE IFE,with panegyric( oriki). Mind you, all founding fathers of new Yoruba settlement ,mostly take along IFA priests,hunters, warriors and other priests of differnent ancestors of theirs to the new found lands,which direction were mostly based on IFA direction.
Even in ancient Yoruba settlement, their exist different families that are grouped along, kings, queens, princes,princesses,chiefs,priests, servants,slaves,citizens and all group of people in the ancient society had panegyric ,which determined, who can be married to without discrimination.
And yes,slaves and servants were lured to Ilórin by Àfónjá and not Àlìmì. He, Àlìmì was himself a servant of Àfónjá.Ilorin history have been dissected by historians and each family know her ancestors history.
Contrary to your opinion, interwoven of southern Nigeria hasnt change the fact that each group know, where they migrated from,when matter arises.
The Olukumi that fought for Bini left Bini,when things changed.What does that mean to you, when group of warrior left their extended relation? It simply meant ‘ oko kî in sì là mâ sì àalà.
There is no reason to be sympathetic about this because,God didn't make mistake about language development,culture and mode of worship.
Do you even know Ibos are more bodily hairy than Yorubas? I bet you have no idea about this or didnt care to note it because of your belief about southern Nigeria. People can be related, which is quite true but one's ethnic group come up before anything else. Among the Ga people, they still disagree on their different migration despite the favt they are a unified entity because of their ancestors history. The same can be said about Khoikhoi are the traditionally nomadic pastoralist non-Bantu indigenous population of southwestern Africa and San people that are once called Bushmen,who.merged as same group due to close proximity and marriages.
Despite all humanoid are related,the difference still exist because of mode of life and different evolution.

googi:
Olu317

Aiye gba Tapa, o kole Igunnu is a Lagos proverb or saying unless Tapa established Igunnu all over Yoruba land. Either way, they are Yoruba on their journey southward.

Remember seven locations of Ife per Prof. Ade Obayomi.

You are right about the Yoruba slaves, they can work their way up to kingship.

geosegun:
@Olu317

Mind you, all founding fathers of new Yoruba settlement ,mostly take along IFA priests,hunters, warriors and other priests of differnent ancestors of theirs to the new found lands,which direction were mostly based on IFA direction.


Your statement above is 100% facts. i doff my cap

PhysicsQED:


I should have written "exactly like the Yoruba compass directions". I already gave you my interpretation in that thread of why these names really refer to the names of the directions of the "four corners of the earth", and I'm not going to rehash that long drawn out argument here again, but it should suffice to say that claiming that they took three days from Igbo market days and then suddenly decided to take one day from Yoruba compass directions is absurd and it's far more likely that the correspondence between the four Yoruba compass directions and the four Igala weekdays is not accidental. That three of the Yoruba compass directions, three of the Igala weekdays, and three of the Igbo/Bini weekdays correspond makes sense in light of the interpretation of these names as direction names for the world corners, but not when interpreted with respect to spirits/deities, since the Yoruba compass directions names and the four Yoruba deities at/from those corners are entirely distinct.

As for Nri & Idah, if you google even harder, you might also come across a certain article on jstor where M.D.W (Mervyn David Waldegrave) Jeffreys was given the impression that Nri ("Ndri" was a non-Igbo group that moved in and mixed with the Igbos and that Nri had  strong Igala links. We shouldn't take every single claim from these colonial observers  or ethnographers as gospel, but should study what makes sense and discard what doesn't. That they were there and spoke to people first hand and observed things first hand does not always mean that they interpreted what they saw correctly. The Igala traditions collected from J.S. Boston and A.J. Shelton do not suggest the kind of relationship between Igala and Igbo that the Nri story you mentioned suggests, although the achadu (the leader of the Igala Mela) was indeed of Igbo (and therefore, possibly Nri) origin. If one views the Igala Mela as the "founders" or first settlers of the kingdom, rather than the royal family itself (which may have "Benin" or "Yoruba" origins, or "Jukun" origins, according to some stories, or it may be of indigenous Igala origin) then one can make such an argument for Idah being "founded" by someone from Nri. Otherwise, the claim doesn't really make sense and [s]the Igalas have nothing suggesting Igbo origins for their kingdom.[/s] The Igala word for king is Onu (not Attah, which is a specific title). One of the Yoruba titles for a king is Oni. There are many other Yoruba-Igala links besides that.

googi:
Olu, I give up.

You are too much for me. I may have met you in one of those conferences.

Olu317:
There is no crime if Yoruba group are related to Yorubas,just as the world is also interwoven. The attah of Igala,even attest to Yoruba migrants that are within his enclave via marriage, migration or conquest. But historically Yoruba are different from Igala.Yoruba leader-founder of new settlement is the pivotal connection that's needed to affirm if Igala was Yoruba land or not. As it is, Igala aren't Yorubas.
Contrary to the meaning of : Onu

(Igala)Onu: king
Yoruba: Or-ni- O'oni- Ooni: owner

lawani:

The Yoruba equivalent of Onu is Olu not Ooni. Ooni means Omo Oluwo ni

Olu317:

My brother, I am a Yoruba man as you are and I am sure you and I know the manner at which our ancestors married different group of people,even amongst Tapa people. I didnt loose foresight of this but we must not ignore the truth because, we are on social media.Tapa were and are people that tormented Yorubas before we subdued their prowess within ancient Yoruba enclaves . And these people are partly spread from Niger, Kaduna, Plateau,Abuja, kwara through Bénin Republic etc . These People were the Borgu- Nupe people. And I have
read about the claim by professor Ade Obayomi.But Let me quickly say this that,there were many wars fought by Yorubas against many sorrounding /neighbouring groups,which some were lost and many were won by Yorubas. And during each conquest by Yorubas,they capture the conquered and took along slaves and dieties worshipped by these conquered people,which testify to different deities in Yoruba land.
Have you had an encounter with a real Tapa person ? I mean undilluted breed . If yes, can you hear his or her language? I asked this because I have come across Tapas and their real language is not intelligible to Yorubas,apart from the ones that have been infiltrated by Yorubas in Kwara. Furthermore, the proverb only indicated the reality on the ground about difference in people's way of life and traditions. And for you to think, it is a Lagos proverb,then I guess you missed the point. Arent the people that made such proverb Yorubas? I am sure you will realise that, such statement must have been because of a fracas between some yorubas and Tapas. Else such will not exist in Yoruba proverb. If you claim otherwise, Do you know Borgu was the name Nupe gave or called Pharaoh. This name got stock to some Nupe breed.The Arabs writers called Pharaoh as Barkou and the Coptic Christians called him Barkhou( Folorunso 2003: 78).How come this name is not in Yoruba lexicon? Again, do you remember this proverb,‘ è yì tì o wà lé èyìn éfà o jù ojè ló ?' Clearly,it meant a town known as Éfà existed at one time or the other. And éfà was a town that wasnt of Yoruba origin ,but were people that once lived around Yoruba people with mystique which was not far from Òffà And migrated through Edo as pioneer aborigines of Edoland. Apart from the proverb ,everything connecting Yoruba to Éfà have been sealed up and thrown into dungeon. And the other account to these people as being conquered , annihilated , assimilated and some migrated to only God know territories without traces or change of identity. Their ancient abode don't exist anymore in the òffà axis. What about another proverb as thus,‘ à fì ènì pè'nì à fì èyàn pè'yàn tì o mù àrà' oko sàn bànté wólù?' Who was the àrà oko if not uncultured and uncivilized stranger from neighbouring town? Proverb among Yoruba is a reflection of their past events that had shaped their present.And the present will shape the future. Do you know there are numerous word of Yorubas that arent found in west Africa's lexions? The point is that there are too many unrealistic information I find on NL that does not reflect the truth about Nigeria's different ethnic groups. Facts are their that support that Tapa aren't Yorubas in the same way Gambari or Hausas aren't Yorubas.

Dig deeper and you will see more than meet the eye.