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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 1:10pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
lawani:lawani, I expect you to check who are Borgu ? Bro ,you can do better than this. Go to Northern Nigeria's history and verify properly. The same way Yoruba changed name at different times, is the same way, Borgu broke into pieces and migration took place to some areas. Go visit Niger state and Kwara state respectively. In these two States ,your questions is resolved. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by lawani: 1:22pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Olu317: The Nupe King is called Elenpe by the Yoruba. I guess it means Olu Enpe. Eastern Borgu is in Nigeria while western Borgu is Benin republic |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 1:54pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
lawani:Yes ,you are correct and I know they are in Bénin. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Obalufon: 3:21pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Olu317:Oni =Onu...house Ile=Ule.. U-I difference |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 3:33pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Obalufon:I guess I need explain better. I did not say Onu = Ooni but showed the difference. May be, I don't understand you |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Obalufon: 4:29pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Olu317:who are the Efa? |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Obalufon: 4:39pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Olu317:Ooni is out of it.. Onu igala means Oni igala.. Oni ikoyi pot. Yoruba Ikoko igala Ukoko Idi =Udi.. Fire ina =una |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 6:01pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 6:04pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Olu317: Not everyone was a servant-messenger. Some were colleagues of the Ooni, traders, explorers & warriors, baba. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 6:10pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 6:58pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Of course yes, you are right |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 7:23pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Yes ooo, the O-O-N is their abbreviation ooo . I wanted to ask him when did Yoruba begun abbreviation for title . Samuel Ajayi did some harm on Yoruba history because his storyline glorified Oyo beyond historical fact. I just wonder what sort of information that will made him refer to Ooni as one ‘Omo oluwo ni' in the same way some people agree to such today. Anyway, it is worth laughing at. Cheers. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 7:38pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Obalufon:Efa history is shrewd with mystery because they existed over a thousand year ago from calculation. But only remembered by Yoruba proverb,which pointed to their existence in Offa axis and their migration to forming aboriginal Edoland.These people seem to be the people Yoruba. ancestors met and pushed out and their history erased from Yoruba land. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 7:53pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 8:00pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Obalufon: 8:42pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
0balufonlll: Good offa and oje .. Offa is far ooo..OJe is farther |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Obalufon: 10:03pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 10:29pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Of course yes,I may be wrong . But looking at the historical account, the Efa and Oje that was written about was less than two centuries ago,if you considered the foundation of Ibadan herself, which was populated due destruction of Oyo Ilè. Ila orangun from Ife to his present abode and his descendants migrated to Offa axis etc. And from offa people ,the story of Efa emanated. And the proverb that referred to Efa became popular . Again, the same Efa existed in Edo history and Efa descendants were pioneer founder of Edoland. As soon as I get hold of the European author who did this research ,I will post it. Lastly, modern day technological know how is readily available, so, many written historical accounts need being reviewed because not all past information on Yoruba were correct. 1 Like |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 7:29am On Aug 08, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by oyatz(m): 2:50pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
Sir, without sounding inmodest, I am a product of Yoruba aristocracy with a deep understanding of Yoruba culture,yore and history. The agboles (there is no exact word for it in English language) are systems of arrangements/planing in a typical Yoruba town, often made up of clusters of buildings, inhabited by peoples of common ancestry ( and sometimes also with common family trades/occupation), departed members of the families ,the family shrines and common heritages like certain lands, regalia, drums or products from antiquities. However, peoples who weren't born in the agboles like slaves or sojourners who have lived long enough may become members of the agboles or their descendants may be. Also, there are some agboles that were started by 'non-indigenes' that excelled in the kingdom... # The Oshodi family and their agboles in Lagos island/Epetedo were started by a Tapa (Nupe) man, hence the name, Oshodi Tapa #The LORO chieftaincy family in Ilesha was started by a Bini ex-slave of the Owa Obokun adumula of Ijeshaland. #King Jaja of Opobo (real name was Jumo Jumofe )was an Igbo ex slave in the house of the Ama-pepples who became enculturated according to the Ijaw rituals to become an Ijaw man and eventually a king in Ijawland. In contemporary times, examples abound. 1) Sen Fatai Buhari (APC, Oyo North) is a great grandson of a Fulani settler in Ogbomosho 2) Mallam Ibrahim Shekarawu , is the son of a Barburi (a tribe in Borno State) parents who 'became' and rose to become the Governor of Kano State. 3) Olusegun Aganga from Sabongida-Ora in Edo State 'became' Yoruba and represented Lagos in Federal executive councils of Yar'Adua and Jonathan administrations 4) Gen Sani Abacha was the son of a Kanuri( originally from Niger Republic) cigarette seller in Fagge area of Kano who adopted Kano as his home state and he died as a 'Kano man' 5) High chief Okotie Eboh was born as Itskerir (real name ; Festus Edah) but died as an Urhobo 6) Dele Wiwa ,Ade Bendel and so many you assume are Yorubas are from Edo State. 7) If you go to Kano now, you will see many people who have Hausa, Fulani ,Igbo or Yoruba grandparents who have just adopted Kano as home State. In 25-30 years time, watch out for an Uche Adetunji, Tola Okon, Temitope Nzeribe or Segun Uzochukwu that may be or likely to be the Governor, senator or a high chief in Lagos. 0balufonlll: |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 3:17pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 8:13pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Bro,I am not one of those that limit his knowledge on account that is shrewd. Beside, go get yourself,The Efa: Mysterious Aborigines of Edoland by Dmitri Bondarenko . There are connection among people of southern Nigeria etc ,even if I strongly believed from accounts that we were different stocks and migrated to this part at different times in human history and some fused while some refused to dislodge their ancestral history. Honestly I did read the book many years ago. But not as thoroughly as I have been seeing different researches done by others on history of different groups in Nigeria. And I will pick it up and do such again. Funny enough the years you pegged for Oyo,Ibadan etc aren't correct. Oyo was already established by people before Oranmiyan sojourn and established it properly. The date was around 11th century and not 15th century. My own ancestors left IFE back and forth around 13th century,so I am well knowledgeable about this . Secondly, Orangun ila was never Oranmiyan's contemporary at all because decades if not century(ies) between them. And Efa and Oje was beyond Akinyele's book because you seem to accept all things written by authors in the past when these people hardly traveled wide to verify people's historical accounts from the indigenous people of these locations . Facts are emerging due to research and people's voices are heard. Do you even know Ògbòn predated Oyo in some account? Ibadan is a ‘baby land' when it comes to foundation. There are Idoko in Yoruba land but not Yoruba from beginning but of Nupe ancestry from the deeper account. Efa could be connected to anywhere. After all, people migrate out of their abode for so many reasons that include war, greener pasture etc. I intend not to over drag it out of context . So, I rest my case. cheers |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by oyatz(m): 10:27pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
Sir, I think you gradually getting the picture I am trying to paint. 1) Tribalism and indigenes Vs non-indigene construct is a very recent phenomenon that started in the 1940s and became widespread in the 1950s when our politicians started preparing to succeed the colonial masters. 2) Nigerian political economy is largely based on wealth sharing, a very divisive process even among siblings of the same parents. 3) The need to create a distinct identity as a condition to facilitate a better access to this wealth sharing is the main basis for tribalism in this country. 4) In truth, Nigeria don't have more than 100 different ethnic groups. Most of the so-called 'ethnic groups' are actually different subsets of the same groups. 5) The present ethic divisions are not water tight. There are many we now call Hausas but their grand or great-grand parents were from several minority tribes,same for Yoruba, Edo or Igbo ethnic groups. 6) The Oyo Empire was a very big Empire which included non-Yorubas tribes,some of the descendants of these peoples have been assimilated into the Yoruba Nation. 7) I repeat some Yoruba people are of Bini origin and some Edo people are of Yoruba origin.This why a Taiwo Akerele from Edo North is now the chief of staff to the Governor of Edo state and Ambrose Folorunsho Ali was the first executive Governor of the old Bendel State. 0balufonlll: |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 10:40pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 11:01pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 4:48am On Aug 09, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Oh pardon my usage of such coined word when I said ‘pegged',by you, because I thought you grouped Oyo,Offa along the Ibadan which was 16th century. Ibadan can be calles babyland although I used this word based on year's of people's settlement on this land and not prowess. Since you and I know many towns predated Ibadan's . Settlement such as Idanre,Owo, Igboho,Ado Ekiti, Otun, Ilesha-Ijesah, shaki, Owu that became refugees, in many towns today, Iwaro- a destroyed town during the war between,O go-ri-ele-me-sho(Ogbomosho) etc . Of course yes, I know the role of Lagelu in Ibadan's history. Furthermore, Oyo and Ibadan were powerful at different times and I didnt take away this fact. Do you know Egba is an offshoot of Owu? But today, Owu isn't as recognised among ancient power of Yoruba land because she waned authoritatively. And all thanks to Oyo writers of our history. And Indeed fact are emerging, in human history thoroughly via ethnography, philology,etymology ,hieroglyphs etc . Do you know Ga-Ewe people were groups of different cultures that merged together. Some claimed to had migrated from Congo - Bantu while some said they migrated through Edoland , to ILEIFE to Ouidah-Abomey Kingdom,to Ghana,and places they occupied presently in these different countries today. Infact, researchers in Bénn Republique and western world have done the grouping of the ethnicities and the dialects that belonged to the same language families via ethnography and philology tool. Funny enough, there authors that claimed Ga-Ewe were Yoruba offshoot outrigthly. Yet some of these people cannot point to their linkage to any family houses at ILEIFE. The point here is that Akinyele, yes, rooted in Ibadan history, got information from researches conducted by him,the same way Samuel Johnson got information from his as well etc but all these doesnt mean his total information is 100% accurate . Do you even know that king Gheezo of Abomey once sojourn to Yoruba land? Are you sure all the Yoruba historical accounts are properly documented by Yoruba men in Yoruba enclaves? No! because, some accounts are inconsistent with the evidence. Adding value and modification is what some of us will always campaign. Take for instance, IWARO, a destroyed town, emerged in the present day, deep heart of Oka Akoko, a Yoruba enclave. Can you imagine the distance? The point here is that there are connection, especially through Yoruba proverbs and renaming of settlement through migration. Agbo-Ilè - Ebi setting ,Oriki separate link Yoruba to their ancestral home. I met a guy who told me, he his from Ikare , Ondo state but originally from Ila Orangun.The man simply told me his father told him because according to him, their ancestors migrated because of war but their Agbo Ilè- Ebi setting, that is held high made them had knowledge of who they are. Unfortunately, i met another man, a bilingual teacher, in his late thirty's (36-39) from Ouidah, Bénin Republique whose father was a third generation Yoruba man from Ibadan but the man only knew he is from Ibadan but doesn't know where it is and his Agbo Ilè. Depsite this, when he get to the Aafin Olubadan, his paternal home will be revealed, but imagine, how Yoruba keeps record of their identity? It is strictly amazing. Lastly,when the book on The world human history was written , do you know how many Nigeria's Professor(s)was/,were among? A country known to be the most populous in Africa continent. Well,it only showed that some colour African Professors have done more researches than Nigeria's. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 8:12am On Aug 09, 2018 |
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Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by googi: 1:33pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
This idea of Oduduwa's children going back to areas they were familiar with only brings into focus the different locations of Ife from the Northern area where they met, inter-married before moving further South for safety. Hausa history claimed Yoruba was one of the children of their historical father. Even if that is false, it showed some familiarity or awareness of one another. Not to mention Tapa, Borgu and others. Another point that must be taken into consideration is the role of River Niger and Benue that linked to the sea in Lagos. I remember reading about Aromire and Oloko families as great sailors that fared beyond Nigeria and Africa on the sea. If you guys take the waterway into consideration instead of the land alone, it may shed light about Oduduwa knowledge of the sea, river and Olokun. |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 4:15pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Oh no! You didn't read the post very well. I said,‘The point here is that Akinyele, yes rooted in Ibadan history, got information from researches conducted by him'. Oh yes, Ketu and not Owu,it was typo error. The Yoruba as having knowledge as it regard Okun (Olokun) Ocean predated Nigeria. Awesome piece Cheers. 1 Like |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by 0balufonlll: 4:19pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Olu317: e ma binu, brother mi. I replied when I got to the office at the time. I guess my brain was muddled up while reading through your post. 1 Like |
Re: Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East is. by Olu317(m): 4:21pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
0balufonlll:mo bì'nu ooo. Cheers. |
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