tintingz:
Three things here,

The Gods depends on humans before taking any action?

The Gods fail to protect it people because Africans were not united?

From your post, how do we know if the Gods actually didn't do anything when the people fought?

budaatum:

You are free to assume I am not as capable of reading as Stevie Wonder is if it would only make you write a tiny bit clearer.
Thank you.

vaxx:
No it shows that the gods does not need us , it is human that needs gods. And when we fail to actualize the power of the gods living within us .which simply means failling to harness this power of olodumare living in us physically, we will become a subject and give chance to external agent to overcome us .

So In IFA spirituality, we acknowledge the dynamics of nature as the dynamics of the Creator. And we knows Nature shows unapologetic battles between the hunter and the hunted. it is therefore mandatory for us to be the hunter. Ogun in you will then aid you in decapitating all your enemies.

frank317:

I hope u know what u are doing... This is an absolute case of pretending not to understand his post.

never said God needs us... But that, according to u, God does not act without humans acting

. And this is very clear in all ur replies. Its seems it is our actions that determines what God actually did for us.

don't want to believe that there were not persons that didn't want to resist the whites... My great grand father was a native doctor and he used everything within his means to fight the whites.
Its a bit of insult saying God help those who help themselves in their sitiation

U are implying our people did nothing, they just allowed themselves to be taken away because after all slavery was part of them[/quote[I was implyimg that it was a choice some of us made. And those of us that strive not to take the choice were emancipated. As it it clear to this day.
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[quote]For me, the captors helped themselves the best way they could, they ran, they fought, some succeeded in escaping and some where captured... But the gods where just looking... And saying those who escaped were really helped by the gods is total bullshit. But it also implies that those who were caught were not helped by the Gods.

]Ya suddenly our natural desire for survival is that ways of the gods in us... Why didn't the Ogun in our enslaved ones help them. The instinct for survival and remain home with their families was already in them they couldn't stand against a stronger force with more sophisticated weapons. Pls do not insult our forefathers by saying they didn't bother to help themselves... Don't say god help those who help themselves, because they fought and were overcame.. The gods did nothing because they can so nothing.

vaxx:
I accept mistake . But saying what i post here is not understood base on bad writing will be a clever way to be biased. EVEN Steven wonder can read and understand it. But anyway, Your complain will be noted and be well taken care of

ScienceWatch:
No one on Nairaland writes perfectly. I have no problem understanding what you write because I don't judge your incredible intelligence and advanced spiritual wisdom by petty standards.

Remember, the standards set out in the Atheists Training Manual is about petty fault finding, mockery and insults.

vaxx:
No it shows that the gods does not need us , it is human that needs gods. And when we fail to actualize the power of the gods living within us .which simply means failling to harness this power of olodumare living in us physically, we will become a subject and give chance to external agent to overcome us .

So In IFA spirituality, we acknowledge the dynamics of nature as the dynamics of the Creator. And we knows Nature shows unapologetic battles between the hunter and the hunted. it is therefore mandatory for us to be the hunter. Ogun in you will then aid you in decapitating all your enemies.

vaxx:
Am not even bothered. At least he needs to defend himself in whatever way.

However i appreciate his complain and I promised to take care of it.

budaatum:

And you did. And I appreciate it. Now, if you could do me just one more favour. Tell that unevolved ape that if he has got nothing to say that is related to this thread, that he should go find another thread to troll and derail please. Or you shall be having this conversation by yourself.

Thank you in advance.

vaxx:
lol. You guys use to be friend. What went wrong.

You guys should settle it jaare...

ScienceWatch:
I have nothing against him. There is nothing to settle. Thanks Vaxx.

vaxx:
ok sir. but i notice budaa don't go off track insulting Christianity instead he prefer to engage in debate.

To be sincere I also have issues with athiest insulting anything the religious hold sacred.

vaxx:
lol. You guys use to be friend. What went wrong.

You guys should settle it jaare...

budaatum:

Extreme Emotional Mode Activated!

.

And I do mean him and his god! In case I'm not being clear enough! Not insulting him and his version of his god is an insult to humanity!

Extreme Emotional Mode Dectivated!

Martinez19:
lol. I ask again why didn't the gods back the innocent and eliminate the greedy and treacherous blacks and white monsters?

tintingz:
Olorun is ruler of heaven, Olodumare the Creator while Olofi is like a channel between heaven and earth, these three attributes works as one.

Now since you claim the Orishas can't do anything to save our forefathers from the colonials, what was Olodumare doing?

ScienceWatch:
Now is the right time for you to explain to Vaxx in detail what you Atheists did to stop the cruel Slave Trade.

The whites stopped the Slave Trade while Atheists Did what they do best, which is empty arguments and mockery of the gods.
Slaves of all types were sold in open bazaars. The Arabs played an important role as middlemen in the trans-atlantic slave trade, and research data suggest that between the 7th and the 19th centuries, they transported more than 14 million black slaves across the Sahara and the Red Sea, as many or more than were shipped to the Americas, depending on the estimates for the transatlantic slave trade.

Tunde Obadina, a director of Africa Business Information Services, has acknowledged the importance of Britain, and other Western countries, in ending the slave trade.

vaxx:
First, let it be clear that most "religions" state that God only helps them that help themselves. Thus, if it ever appears that Olodumaré did not help us, it is only because we were not helping ourselves.

Our enslavement was only possible because we chose to be disunited. This is how the Arabs and Europeans defeated us. Even after we were exposed to guns, instead of breaking the gun down and learn to build one ourselves, we just captured our neighbor and sold him/her to the Europoid for one of his already made guns.

In addition, let's remember why the European anthropologists often say that the African Supreme Deity is remote in traditional spirituality. It is not that they are "remote" but because the Supreme Being does not "rescue" you from things/people He already gave you the power to rescue yourself from. This power (ashé) He already gave you are the orisha living within you.

Thus, if you find yourself enslaved or some other great travesty, it is not Olodumare/the orisa that wasn't there for us; we just chose not to use the power Olodumare gave us at birth.

The irony is that even though we rejected Olodumaré and did not deserve His assistance, Olodumare did in fact help us during slavery. We survived the impossible in huge numbers (unlike the Native Americans) and in many places did so with maintaining knowledge of orisha (such as in Trinidad, Haiti, Cuba, Louisiana, Brazil, etc). Our very present survival--when we didn't deserve it because we rejected the principles of unity (Oduduwa)--is only by the grace of Olodumaré, Lord of the Universe.

""FROM IFA SPIRITUALITY ""

tintingz:
Strawman.

This is thread is about Africa slavery and the Gods.

vaxx:


Orisha/olodumare already gave an approach to live as human and that is unity which Yoruba forsake....

ScienceWatch:
Yes the grave consequences of ignoring spiritual law very obvious even today.
The anti-slavery movement was lead by people who would today be called "the religious Right" and its organisation was created by conservative businessmen.

Moreover, what destroyed slavery in the non-Western world was Western imperialism, Nothing could be more shocking to the vision of today's intellectuals than the fact that it was businessmen, devout religious leaders and Western imperialists who together stopped human slave trade.

Slave trade is more shocking than the Jewish Holocaust. Greed separate nations from the Olodumares protection.

ScienceWatch:
I am following the OP with keen interest. The profound wisdom and superior intellect evident in Vaxx's posts reveals a highly devepoed mind that is no longer fooled by the extreme limitations of logic and science. The OP opens deep wounds in the African collective soul, but Vaxx wisely points his atheist detractors to the real cause of slave trading and then bravely points these mental misfits to an eternal solution.

Atheists have repeatedly demonstrated a frightening inability to comprehend the higher truths carefully woven into Vaxx's posts. Could atheists claims be true that they are decendants of fish and apes ? Is this the reason why they can't understand written truths? Examine the brief extract on what the esteemed Vaxx had to say to a troubled world below ;

Vaxx said, "The irony is that even though we rejected Olodumaré and did not deserve His assistance, Olodumare did in fact help us during slavery. We survived the impossible in huge numbers (unlike the Native Americans) and in many places did so with maintaimning knowledge of orisha (such as in Trinidad, Haiti, Cuba, Louisiana, Brazil, etc).
Our very present survival--when we didn't deserve it because we rejected the principles of unity (Oduduwa)--is only by the grace of Olodumaré, Lord of the Universe."

How many comical evolutionary leaps do atheists still need to understand the above truths ? What about the fish and apes that refused to evolve with atheists ? Were they the smart ones rejecting a lifetime of mocking their creator ?

My conclusion :
ATHEISM BREEDS DIS-UNITY.
AFRICAN ATHEISM THRIVE ON INSULTS AND MOCKERY OF AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY

budaatum:

Lord God Almighty, I beg you please, let me go to hell!

frank317:


See u in hell

frank317:

[s]Oga u are messing up this thread with ur stupidity... My only issue is that Vaxx will not caution u neither would dead Jesus.
U are a disgrace to Christianity... people like u are a proof that ur God does not exist.
See u in hell[/s]

ogyunging:
I came searching for information and knowledge.

Look what I found,

Bashing of heads,

Religious enmity.

Science guy and buddha should chill...

Please, gracias.

vaxx:
thanks bro.

ScienceWatch and budaatum. This is for you guys. We are here to learn from each other. Hope this can be settle .

budaatum:

You should have said that when he came around trashiwillng every opinion expressed on the thread. You did tell those who did before him, so why didn't you tell him?

Stop linking me with that ape!

ogyunging:
I came searching for information and knowledge.

Look what I found,

Bashing of heads,

Religious enmity.

Science guy and buddha should chill...

Please, gracias.

vaxx:
thanks bro.

ScienceWatch and budaatum. This is for you guys. We are here to learn from each other. Hope this can be settle .