Wiseandtrue:

Did you say Enugu is a harsh place to reside

What exactly do you mean by that OP

I take it that you have not been to Enugu

BabaRamota1980:


That claim is disputable.

Go and see pictures of old Lagos before the mass migration into the place. Compare with what it looks like now. Uncontrolled population shift and density ruined the city's aesthetics very quickly. Calabar has never had a quarter of population Lagos is burdened with, so its serenity and beauty has never been tested in same capacity. Not that the lessons of Lagos cannot be applied to prevent a repeat in Calabar but your claim is off on the scale you perceived it.

12Monkeys:


The place may have developed now but imagine how remote and harsh it would have been back in the 50's and 60's?

Enugu city was also devoid of significant Igbo populations until the British began coal mining there.

12Monkeys:
That singular act mitigated against the old Eastern region's developmental strides and also caused great suspicion among non-Igboid peoples towards Igbo domineering stance. Enugu as capital will later come to haunt the Biafran cause.

Calabar as capital would have not seen to Western cameroon wanting to seccede. That singular act would have not serve as inspiration for the Ijaws fighting to leave eastern Nigerian.

What was exactly Azikiwe"s motive in making a remote and inhospitable coal town as capital beats my imagination.

Azikiwe was more interested in Lagos politics and economy and suffered huge myopia in not seeing the great potential cities like Calabar or even Port-Harcourt would have had as capital of eastern Nigeria which if he had foresight would have rivaled Lagos by now.

Even up till this day, Enugu remains a harsh place to reside and do business for the simple sake of climate, vegetation and access to water.

Enugu's limited growth today is because it is a mecca to all igbos because back when it was a coal city there were hardly any Igbo settlements there so for this said reason Igbos from across the SE can easily settle there without fear of being rejected as not being from there.

The major property holders and business interests in Enugu are not limited to Igbos from Enugu but from Anambra and Abia.

I have always believed Zik chose the economically and politically impractical Enugu so that he can be closer to his beloved Zungeru.

Lagos was Zik's base and as a non business oriented person he never saw the potential of other coastal cities in the East because he had no singular clue and this was also compounded by his fanatical obsession over national harmony.

Cross River and Calabar remain the most viable state and capital respectively till this day and with a serious minded governor, the state can easily overtake Lagos within the next 10yrs even under crushing opposition from ethno religious obstacles put in place by Abuja.

So if Zik could not see the potential of repositioning the eastern region back in the days, I wonder how that fool would have had a clue in the messed up political situation we find ourselves today with an overbearing Federal govt.

This same Zik supported the Sarduna's plan to balkanize the old western region by supporting the creation of the defunct mid-western region. Little did he also know that the same Sarduna was plotting with Awolowo to carve the Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers regions from the old eastern region.

Why the same stupid Zik did not support Awolowo in carving out a middle belt region out of the north beats me till this day. FYI, the mantra "one north" coined and reiterated by Ahmadu Bello was a rallying call to resist Northern balkanization. It is even safe to state that Awolowo and Sarduna were behind the plebiscite that saw western Cameron leave Nigeria and the subsequent Ijaw uprising for independence.

Azikiwe to me is a fool. If he had not been a typified Joe Igbokwe (Lagos lover) and an Nzeagwu (North lover), there won't have been so much animosity and suspicion of the Igbos by the other nationals of the old eastern region.

gidgiddy:


How come wrote all this but you don't even know that it was the British that made Enugu the capital of the old Eastern Region and not Zik?

12Monkeys:


Zik was responsible for selecting Enugu as the new capital of Eastern Nigeria in 1954.

Prior to which Calabar was the capital of administration.

12Monkeys:
I don't understand why some igbos are insulting me here over calling Zik a fool.

If calabar had been the capital of old eastern region, would your brothers be going to Lagos to import cheap Chinese crap while getting insulted by the ingrate lazy yorubas?


What then is the call for eastern ports when you still revere Lagos?

It seems there is a Joe Igbokwe in every Igbo man.

Look at Abuja and how igbos have cemented their destinies in the hands of jihadist blackmailers.

You refuse to identify with your own homes and that closes to you but rather carry your foolishness like Zik to Lagos and zungeru.

Why then won't the yorubas mock you and the Awusa threaten you at every opportunity.

I keep saying that you igbos living in the north are the only ones giving these barbarians the opportunity to have the audacity to come to the negotiating table with their threat to repeat another pogrom.


Can you not learn from your stupidity and that of zik?

IPOB failed because you like the Hebrews in Egypt that refused to follow moses saw the little scraps you benefited in Egypt over your salvation.

Biafra failed primarily because of your arrogance towards the ND and your own fair share of traitors as it us no secret that many igbos became rich after the war as a result of their treason towards biafra?

If Biafrans can not help themselves then who can?

I am a staunch supporter of biafra primarily because I believe every people deserve the right to self rule and that I am in principle against multiculturalism plus the most important fact that an Igbo nation will see to an emancipation of other oppressed minority people in this God forsaken Marxist contraption.

Now, once again, Zik remains a fool. If you support Zik stupidity blindly then you are no different than the Yoruba bastards who still worship that criminal Awolowo.

konoplyanka:


I can see you trying hard to prove your biafran loyalty by insulting Yoruba even on a thread with no Yoruba correlation. You can

still prove your loyalty without insulting other tribes. It's getting boring.

12Monkeys:


Calabar was the first capital of Nigeria.

How then can Lagos have developed before calabar?

wingmanII:


He was not. Even though he was the premier, the colonialists still called the shots until 1957 when some autonomy was granted the regions.
Sir Clement John was the governor of eastern region until 1956.

BabaRamota1980:


You are educated but lack intelligence.

Capital is not synonymous with developments and development is not on first come, first served.

12Monkeys:
I don't understand why some igbos are insulting me here over calling Zik a fool.

If calabar had been the capital of old eastern region, would your brothers be going to Lagos to import cheap Chinese crap while getting [b]insulted by the ingrate lazy yoruba[/b]s?


What then is the call for eastern ports when you still revere Lagos?

It seems there is a Joe Igbokwe in every Igbo man.

Look at Abuja and how igbos have cemented their destinies in the hands of jihadist blackmailers.

You refuse to identify with your own homes and that closes to you but rather carry your foolishness like Zik to Lagos and zungeru.

Why then won't the yorubas mock you and the Awusa threaten you at every opportunity.

I keep saying that you igbos living in the north are the only ones giving these barbarians the opportunity to have the audacity to come to the negotiating table with their threat to repeat another pogrom.


Can you not learn from your stupidity and that of zik?

IPOB failed because you like the Hebrews in Egypt that refused to follow moses saw the little scraps you benefited in Egypt over your salvation.

Biafra failed primarily because of your arrogance towards the ND and your own fair share of traitors as it us no secret that many igbos became rich after the war as a result of their treason towards biafra?

If Biafrans can not help themselves then who can?

I am a staunch supporter of biafra primarily because I believe every people deserve the right to self rule and that I am in principle against multiculturalism plus the most important fact that an Igbo nation will see to an emancipation of other oppressed minority people in this God forsaken Marxist contraption.

Now, once again, Zik remains a fool. If you support Zik stupidity blindly then you are no different than the Yoruba bastards who still worship that criminal Awolowo.

BabaRamota1980:


Aah ahh, egbere like you, i just saw this.

First, what is your tribe, identify yourself with pride if you have any honor. Tell us your own fvkng background. What ethnic group are you?

Orisrisi....you say this nonsense about Yoruba where i dey?

Na shopono go handicap you

12Monkeys:



Where were you when I called you guys oyoruba - the nickname Awusa/Fulanis used as mockery to describe your people after they sacked your capital.
You that has forgotten your own ancestral name and goes about using the assigned Fulani Derogatory is who is demanding to know my tribe?

Simple question for you before I indulge you my ancestry ; what is the real name of the oyoruba people?

BabaRamota1980:


Bloody kafir like you. Arent you one of those Northerners that hide identity to cause disruption in South?
Tell us your tribe. We know you are not Yoruba nor Ibo. mofo, what is your ethnic?

kams19:
nothing to say, just questions. what does the capital of Nigeria have. major countries and city capitals what do they have. you are not an Idiot inugo?

12Monkeys:



Lol. Now I am not Igbo again but Ab0ki now?

I loll.


What is the meaning of Yoruba first?

BabaRamota1980:


Irrelevant. You are ashamed of your people's history. You wish you were Yoruba, dont you? Since you are born into a subperior group this hate of your superiors is hard to contain within.

BabaRamota1980:


Irrelevant. You are ashamed of your people's history. You wish you were Yoruba, dont you? Since you are born into a subperior group this hate of your superiors is hard to contain within.

wingmanII:

Why don't you answer his question. Unless you do not know.
As a renowned yoruba(oyoruba) defender you should know. Is his story of origin of the name correct? Oyoruba? This is a new one for me. Oyoruba.

12Monkeys:



Oyoruba if there is anybody that gloats in their own sh!t it is you guys.

My initial challenge is still on. Tell us the real name your ancestors went by instead of the Awusa insult that you have adopted.

12Monkeys:


Parliaments were already in existence in both the western and eastern regions since 1953.

Western Nigeria already had an emmissary in London by then and parts of the powers vested in these two houses was drafting of the constitution and local administrations.

It was Zik that imposed Enugu on Eastern Nigeria.

A simple Google search on this matter will let you know that Enugu became capital of Eastern Nigeria by an act of parliament hitherto it was calabar.

Fatherofdragons:
So op what's ur aim for opening this thread, cuz telling us that zik made a mistake will change nothing, the man is long dead and there no such thing as regional government anymore.

So why this thread?

12Monkeys:


Parliaments were already in existence in both the western and eastern regions since 1953.

Western Nigeria already had an emmissary in London by then and parts of the powers vested in these two houses was drafting of the constitution and local administrations.

It was Zik that imposed Enugu on Eastern Nigeria.

A simple Google search on this matter will let you know that Enugu became capital of Eastern Nigeria by an act of parliament hitherto it was calabar.

BabaRamota1980:


You are likely the first person in your clan to be educated. The refinements of knowledge have not had time through multiple generations to settle and recognize values of self pride and identity. Which backward leaf cladding tribe are you from?

wingmanII:

Forget all the ceremonial stuff. The colonialists still called the shots even until 1960. Why didn't Zik take the capital to Onitsha his hometown if he had such powers.?. Zik probably made mistakes but I don't believe he single handedly decided the capital of old eastern region.
Don't you realize that the colonialists were very uncomfortable further south? Do you know lord Lugard almost made Kaduna the capital of Nigeria?
I think the colonialists made Enugu capital cause it was Northernmost of all the cities in eastern region.

12Monkeys:

My great grand father put his son (my grand dad) on an ocean liner to study abroad.

You that Awolowo free education was what emancipated your father is talking.

wingmanII:

Forget all the ceremonial stuff. The colonialists still called the shots even until 1960. Why didn't Zik take the capital to Onitsha his hometown if he had such powers.?. Zik probably made mistakes but I don't believe he single handedly decided the capital of old eastern region.
Don't you realize that the colonialists were very uncomfortable further south? Do you know lord Lugard almost made Kaduna the capital of Nigeria?
I think the colonialists made Enugu capital cause it was Northernmost of all the cities in eastern region.

BabaRamota1980:


Irrelevant bullshyte. What is your tribal background? Son of leaf cladding ancestors claiming false civilization.