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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:39pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hensben: Most times when they played together Barcelona had a 3 man attack which was responsible for goals and assists. I have given you the total number of assists of Iniesta and Xavi in their entire time at Barcelona |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:40pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
EXCLUSIVE: Kevin De Bruyne suffers serious injury in Manchester City training https://www.mcfcwatch.com/2018/08/15/exclusive-kevin-de-bruyne-suffers-serious-injury-in-manchester-city-training/ |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 4:46pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Eruditor: Madrid5 this is exactly what I also think of him. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 4:46pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
raumdeuter:ope..o |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:47pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
I heard Hidden has been rejected by Madrid and he will extend with Chelsea and make him captain in their Yorupa league quest |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 4:48pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
madrid5: Euro 2012 vs italy say hi |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 4:49pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: 2 in 4231 is actually 3 man midfield by the logic of someone bringing up James and Isco when Kroos was playing as a DM because the central player in the "3" would be midfielder ala Ozil when Mourinho was coaching us, the other 2 would be both wide midfielder and winger Look at Man U, they play with Pogba and Matic, people call it "Midfield 2" despite the fact that Lingaard and Mata are also there occupying the same positions Isco and James occupied when Kroos played as a DM |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 4:49pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hensben: why are you this stupid? no offence 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 4:52pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
madrid5: Yes o! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 4:53pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: actually whoscored have Madrid's most common formation as 433 that season that's not a midfield 2. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:00pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: We hardly played 4-3-3 during the 22 game winning streak because bale was hardly fit We played Casillas Carvajal Pepe/Varane Ramos Marcelo Kroos Modrić James Isco Benzema Ronaldo This was the same formation we used to beat UEFAlona 3-1 that season amongst our 22 game winning streak this is also the formation Man U use that people say its a "midfield 2" with Mata and Lingaard playing in James and Isco's position. When Bale became fit in the second half of that season we started playing 4-3-3 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:02pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: wheres your proof? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:07pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr:Proof of what? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 5:07pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
popizaino:unfortunately i dont think highly of what you think. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 5:08pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
popizaino:what is this one even saying seft? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:10pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: proof that Madrid lined up how you say they did |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:12pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: But that hensben guy is right!! In a 4231 formation we have 3 midfielders 2 side midfielders who would double up as wingers then a striker Ozil was a midfielder in Madrid's 4-2-3-1 formation, Khedira and Alonso behind him or was he a forward/striker? How's it stupidity? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:12pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29541443 That's the clasico match |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 5:15pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Ok, got u, it is all about the goals and assist for u, but shall hazard dey help us break defense ohhhhh, creating chances for goals and assist, he may not directly have those goals and assist, but majority of the chances where created by him breaking into those defen-se(ce) |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:16pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Didn't see any formation in that link See below. This is how 2 different websites had Madrid lining up that year. Show your proof or claim this L.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 5:18pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Can they now go for Neyma and leave our Hazard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:23pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: The fact that somebody felt the need to count out the number of players in each band on the pitch should make the answer to your question self-evident 4231. The 2 is not short for toothpaste. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:28pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr:so all you've been doing is trying to win and hand out L? Hahahaha This is funny because I'm not even trying to win Bale was hardly fit! we played 2 man midfield of Kroos and Modrić a lot more than the formation you're bringing during our 22 game winning streak I don't know how to get lineups so why not get the el clasico lineup of that season when we beat Barca 3-1 and let's see? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 5:30pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Skimpledawg: Cheee.....chee......cheeeeeee |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:32pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: oh god! you realise we can call that formation 4-5-1? by your logic then they're using 5 midfielders? Just like 4-4-2 during the second half of our 2016/17 season would be broken down to 4-1-2-1-2? The second "1" in that formation is actually regarded as a midfielder but he handles the same role the middle player in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1 and even occupies the same position on the template Oga, it appears you have a totally simplistic look at formations 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:34pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: oga show your proof na? We know that Kroos played DM in a 3, and even your fellow mafridistas are on record as being dissatisfied with his performance in that position. We contend that if he was played in a 2, that discontent would have been open rebellion. If you say Kroos played multiple matches as part of a pivot, it should not be too hard to find evidence of such lineups |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:38pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: 451 is a 3 man midfield with withdrawn wingers. 433 is a 3 man midfield with attacking wingers. 4231 a 2 man midfield with a 10 or supporting striker. The middle man in the 3 inhabits a zone known as the hole. What do you think the hole is? Here's a clue - it's NOT midfield. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diadem10: 5:39pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: He's basically saying Isco and James playing infront of Kroos is no different from Kroos operating in a 2-man midfield because the aforementioned players are more or less attacking midfielders and worst, no 10s. I would join in and say Kroos was playing in a 1-man midfield sef. I've always thought that Kroos can't operate as a registra, ala Alonso/Pirlo but then I've seen him always looking his best and the best player on the pitch for Germany evenwhile playing alongside Khedira (who was still manageable then). I could even recall some German fans clamouring for him to replace Schweini because he always looked great everytime he deputised for Schweini to the extent that Low had no option than to include him in a 3man midfield and push Ozil to the wing. Hence my conclusion is, Kroos can definitely play in the holding playmaking role but would need a defensively astute box-box CM eg Kante, prime Vidal, even Khedira on his good day would do just fine with him in the midfield but neither Modric nor Isco can offer him such. Although Modric's intensity helped a bit, he's always ending up making more fouls than stealing the ball succesfully while Isco is basically a no 10 (and that's even dispustable 'cos I don't really know what Isco offers per say). Anyway, the gist is Madrid doesn't have Vidal/Kante-like midfielder to make Kroos anchoring the midfield work and in the end, Caseimiro, a typical defensive holding midfielder had to come in to anchor the midfield while Kroos played further forward. Nb: my observation isn't for you though. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:40pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: I don't know what those "Madridistas" are talking about, maybe they can come and explain better since its apparently not your own point However Kroos was fantastic during the clasico win and he played in middle 2 with Isco and James as wide midfielders just like Mata and Lingaard do for Man U The season ended badly when Modrić became unfit so we made Isco play beside Kroos, Isco didn't have the defensive discipline of Modrić so the midfield was getting overrun which also culminated in our being dumped out by Juventus With the way I've been talking even if I'm unable to get "proof" like you wanted I sound like someone who watched those games, don't I? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 5:40pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
All this talk about KDB this, KDB that. The poor boy don get injury na. You can only call someone's name for so long make im village people no intercept. Kroos to rupture his ACL tonight. You heard it here first. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hopefulLandlord: 5:47pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: oh god! 4-5-1 is a simplistic look at varieties of formations 4-5-1 could actually have NO wingers ala "Christmas Tree" formation of Ancelotti's Milan. The formations 4-5-1, 5-3-2, 4-4-2 are laymen interpretation of formation. It would need to be broken down further Also now that you're using the word "hole" what does the second 1 in 4-1-2-1-2 do? is it any different from what the middle of the 3 in 4-2-3-1 does? They're both in hole but you're classing the former as a midfielder but refuse to do the same for the latter? You seem to be running around in circles |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:47pm On Aug 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: I'm not disputing what you saw with your two eyes. Your interpretation of what you saw is what is in doubt here. You've said a lot of questionable and suspect things in the last 24 hours, and so it's my opinion that your opinions are not to be trusted. I imagine the feeling is mutual, hence I've been providing evidence to back up every point I've made - from madridistas disagreeing with your opinions, to screenshots of real madrid formations from reputable website. This is Chelsea thread. Here every debate is an exercise in academia. We provide well referenced submissions to every debate... I only know you from Ashewo thread and they do things differently in that side. Come correct or take your L along with 2 seats... |
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