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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jay254(m): 1:33pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Beautiful Mombasa City 2 Likes
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jay254(m): 1:34pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Mombasa Kenya
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 1:34pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:Waoh! You typed a novella. ![]() See how hard you tried to clear your mess after goofing at the onset that Taiwan and Hong Kong never wanted to have anything to do with China and got schooled. In your desperation you brought in countries like Scotland and Catalonia; countries that do not even have national currencies. ![]() And I can see you finally dropped your silly blanket claim that no country could be more corrupt than Nigeria. You can spare us stories about your family next time, please on an open forum like this. No matter the point you are trying to buttress,such never look good. ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 1:41pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Daejoyoung:That guy you quoted is an old fool. Has he ever made sense to you?He is a pig in a can. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 1:45pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Kazikazi:They import corn from Ethiopia and raw eggs from Uganda. ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 1:53pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
kikuyu1:Kikuyu1, take my advice. This anger will only give you high blood pressure. I have listed what you need to achieve your lofty aim of being Africa's biggest economy by 2050 like you opined. Feel free to revisit my post. Your debt and level of corruption would always hold you back.
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kur17: 2:02pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
obaaderemi: Is bad when citizens esp youths have been given easy access to loans? For me I think it's a positive thing |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 2:03pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Daejoyoung:As in washing deadibodi. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 2:05pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Kur17:You have zilch knowledge of economics, my boy. It's actually negative in the long and short run. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 2:09pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Daejoyoung:He is clearly an idiot. How come Little India fails to feature consistently? ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:10pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
I am not sure how that graph is suppose to mean anything. Kenya is cusp of financial revolution and anybody with phone can borrow. obaaderemi: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:12pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Kenya has always featured amongst the most educated and most hardworking diaspora - of course we didn't have big diaspora until 90s when our economy tanked - and right now - the number has decreased - nobody is dying to emigrate from kenya because there are opportunities to study and work in Kenya...so much oil rich nigeria citizens are pouring in. Nigeria will continue with brain drain until they sort out their internal issues. obaaderemi: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:14pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Economics from Nigeria university. That most moronic statement of the day. Kenyans is advancing thanks to these kind of micro-loans. obaaderemi: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kur17: 2:16pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
obaaderemi:Hahaa dude it depends with what you use it for..., Kenya being in that list must be because of the government's efforts to empower youths, were youth groups are given loans without any interest or collateral... Also banks have their special loans for youths with 12% interest &without any collateral, you can also access upto 70k Ksh thru your phone in a matter of minutes....that can't be a negative 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 2:16pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
rvp2018: His problem is he's surrounded by typically low IQ Dangotelanders who tell him how clever he is and like each and every idiocy he writes so he'll never escape from mental blankness or learn anything meaningful. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 2:19pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
rvp2018:Keep decieving yourself with those ugly and rubbish pics you're posting. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 2:27pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Digital lending that is happening now in Kenya is the cutting-edge stuff these nigerians bozo cannot comprehend. They are so backward - it no wonder they are siamese twins with our lazy & primitive southern neighbours TZ. kikuyu1: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NigeriaIsDoomed: 2:39pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
obaaderemi:And serving their Indian bosses in America ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like 2 Shares
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 3:25pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
NigeriaIsDoomed:Hahahahahaha ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 3:43pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: My point is simple. Do not juxtapose 2 almost entirely different situations just because they share the same English title in a bid to prove your point. Your analogy can be somewhat compared to the claim that killing an infant rat is the same with killing a baby as long as they are both infants and killing was equally involved. The Autonomy of Hong Kong and Tibet for example should never be juxtaposed just to prove a point cos they are in no way analogous except for the fact that they share the same english title. It reeks of desperation to prove a point and shallowness.
Can I ask you a question bro? Have you read the Sino-British joint declaration of Dec 19, 1984? If no, then please try to read it. I bet you haven't done that otherwise you won't continue exerting your energy over HK issues with China. Hong Kong can never be independent of China, it would be very unfeasible. Hong Kong is living on borrowed time. In less than 30 years from now (2047), China has the right to do whatever it pleases with Hong Kong according to the joint Sino-British agreement of 1984. I attached a screenshot of part of the agreement below for you to read. You thinking Hong Kong is milking out the Chinese rescources by a joint union shows how far you are from reality. You should know that the Chinese are smarter than that. The Chinese just continue fattening Hong Kong (the cow) for the day of slaughter ![]() And yes, China are obsessed with Taiwan. Hence the Chinese government throwing a tantrum because Trump even spoke the Taiwanese leader. Taiwan just want to be left in peace. China are the ones looking to impose their will on Taiwan, which Taiwan resists. Taiwan belongs to China. Is Taiwan an independent nation? Did they ever declare independence with a unique name? How can someone be obsessed over what he owns? You know, the fact that China refused to take over Taiwan by force till now proved to many 'China haters/slanderers' that China is really not that mean dominating boss that the West tries to depict them. Well, as long as Taiwan keeps on playing by the rules of China, they are safe. The capitalist loosers of Taiwan should face the reality that they have lost the battle forever. They are living on borrowed time too just like HK. The EU is an economic bloc. It's popularity is in its utility value to EU citizens who can get to freely trade and travel across borders. When you ask Europeans where they're from, they'd still tell you whether they are German, French, British, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Danish, Greek etc. That is where their true pride lies: in their heritage. Nobody says, "I'm from the EU". Yes, they will tell you that the EU is just an economic bloc. Yeah right. They won't tell you that one huge benefit/motive of the EU to them is the desire to be able to balance the huge world influence of the likes of Russia, China and even the US. Europe strongly knows that without the EU, they would be like Sheep without a Shepherd before Russia (the wolf). Besides, check the definition of the EU again, it was created to be and function as a political union as well. It was never meant to be an Economic union alone as they have pure political agenda as well. So, you are wrong here. Of course no one would really expect Europeans to drop their national/ethnic identifications any time soon. These have been their identities for centuries/millenia. They conquered the world with these identities. They cannot drop it for an identity only few decades old. This however does not mean that they have no pride of the EU identity especially when it comes to world politics and how much it gives them a greater bargainning power as a major world power. FYI, the concepts of a united East African Federation or united Arab federation supercedes a mere economic bloc. They were meant to be full fledged political unions. Go and read about them again.
I'm well aware of this. I never said that all former Yugoslavians love each other and are pro unity. Many of them are, many of them aren't. I can give you links of numerous pro unity former Yugoslavians of top personalities if you wish. There is no "self-deception" in saying people from small countries are happy to be who they are. Scandinavians have far more in common than many Nigerian tribes, but they are happy to be Swedes or Norwegians or Danes or Icelandic people. They don't care to be one big country to boost their egos. Swiss people are mostly ethnic Germans, but are more than happy to be little Switzerland. Belgium is made up of ethnic Dutch and French people, but they are happy to be Belgian. jInfact, the French part, Wallonia, have many citizens who wish to form their own republic separate from the Flemish people. Tiny countries like Leichtenstein, Faroe Islands and San Marino who have smaller populations than some universities in Nigeria don't care to join anyone. You find it difficult to understand that many people aren't driven by vain nationalism, but by patriotism. Nationalism and patriotism can seem synonymous, but they are entirely different concepts. Scandinavians of today would see no pressing reason to come together in a big political union when they split from each other just about a century. However, that does not mean that such a notion is completely non-existent. Are you aware of the Nordic council which was formed in 1952? If no, Please read about it completely. Here's the wiki link below if you like. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Council Loool @ the emboldened. If the 13 states of the North East and North West of Nigeria were countries on its own, it'd be the poorest in the world. Bar none. I can think of a host of countries considered "3rd world" across Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America that I would easily trade for if I was to be reincarnated into this world. Anyone suggesting otherwise is in deep denial During the old regional government, the Northern region of Nigeria was not regressive as it is today. It was progressive. The curse of oil is one of the main troubles of the north today, as core-northern elites see the current 'settings' of their people to be the best mode of continued access to National power. Goodluck to you if you think there are other 3rd world countries you can trade your Nigerian citizenship for. That's your problem not mine.
Of course you won't see it, cos people like you rather prefer we slander Nigeria day and night without rendering any positive word of hope. But really, how do you guys feel, slandering Nigeria from when you wake up in the morning to when you go back to sleep and continue the next day? Had it been your likes usually proffer and work towards any solutions to the country's problems amidst your slandering charade, then it would be at least worth something. I'll feel like a coward and failure if all I can do is condemn Nigeria without actively working towards a solution to the betterment of the country. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 3:48pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Kur17:I am going to take the trouble to reply you because you sound like someone who is smart and calm,not like the old idiots Kikuyu1 and rsvp who know nothing about economics. They should face their fundi vocations. ![]() ![]() ![]() So,your imports increase with consumption making up a larger share of the imports. For example, a 20year old Nairobi boys gets a loan and immediately spends it on a second hand Nike shoes ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 4:39pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
obaaderemi: Firstly, it's a bit of a jerk move arrogating victory to yourself in an argument with delusional claims about "dealing with" or "schooling" someone. Juvenile, playground, embarrassing stuff. Perhaps, allow others do that for you based on their own appraisal of the cogency and lucidity of your points. Else, you just look desperate. Secondly, there was never a place I claimed Hong Kong wants nothing to do with China. That was a specific claim I made about Taiwan, which is true. For Hong Kong, I specifically said the overwhelming majority of the population favor it's broad autonomy from China, while an emerging youth population favour a complete break. But I guess when you're more interested in one-upmanship, deliberately misrepresenting one's argument and arguing against the strawman you fabricated is the way to go. You continue with the distinctions about currency, as if that changes anything about your absurd, broad claim that autonomy is the same thing as independence in politics. Again, autonomy has degrees of power separation and not every autonomous enclave have the same levels of autonomy. Hong Kong is the only autonomous region of any country in the world with its own currency. This makes it an exception. An extreme. You cannot define autonomy by employing an exception. The same way Nigeria's Federal system of government massively differs in structure from America's Federal system, or the same way the Danish or Finnish socialist model is different from the Venezuelan socialist model. You're only exhibiting a limited grasp of the nuances of political terms and systems, and thinking you're scoring any points with pedantry. I didn't drop any claim. I'm not sure whether you expect me to keep chanting it like I'm reciting the rosary. I said I didn't give a shiit what TI's Corruption Perception Index states. For one, TI has an army of critics of its methodology. Secondly, by the nature of perception indexes, it is not based on hard statistical numbers, but "perception" in an array of categories. Thirdly, if you put so much faith in such indexes, this thread should have been shut a long time ago considering Nigeria ranks below Kenya in the UN Human Development Index. That should be enough to shut every other argument. And I'm sorry I bored you with my personal anecdote. Though I suspect, you'd have found it more favorable if the tale was about a negative experience in Nairobi. But apologies for the crime. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 4:58pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
obaaderemi: In agriculture, there's progress? Yet, Nigeria was identified with Yemen, Somalia and South Sudan by the UN as the countries with the worst problems with food insecurity. There might be improvement, but a lot of it is propaganda with no hard numbers making it out like there is some agricultural revolution: like the infamous lies about how many Thailand rice mills shut down because of sharply declined demand from Nigeria. Banking and local content in oil industry? That's really scraping the barrel. I'm talking about transformative changes and not policies that every country makes. Nigeria's population almost doubles every 20-year cycle because we still breed like rats, so of course infrastructure has been expanded. That is growth. Not development. My childhood home for example sees less power now than when I was a kid. Some roads are better. Some are worse. Nigeria has one of the worst road networks on the planet. A study was posted here about it dome days ago, but I don't care to search. I can testify to the nightmare it is navigating the Apapa axis to work everyday. It was never so when I was younger. Your refineries still don't work. Your ports are decaying. Your airports are some of the most embarrassing eyesores on earth. What infrastructure are you talking about? 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kur17: 5:19pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
obaaderemi: And that's why I said it depends how someone spends the cash loans, non-performing loans stands at 8.9.%(Nigeria almost 5%) that's not such a dim figure on the Kenyan side considering the percentage of population who have loans,https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/kenya/non-performing-loans-ratio/amp&ved=2ahUKEwiHsZ-mv_7cAhVLlxoKHUb8Ad0QFjABegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0Mo3wITwp_EdQXM-6K9qUw&cf=1 it also shows the positive impact is higher than negative....about the IMF warning,, it was all about public debt, this chart is not about public debt 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:36pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: Please why don't you try investing in ghana , kenya ,south africa or ethiopia it is less problematic and the people also want to develop. The big problem in nigeria the people will only support a criminal. It was the same for me until I parked out of the country everyday idiots were giving me problems, now I'm in another african country employed 32 people. Ghana is not too far away and the people are really friendly and like investors. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:57pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Daejoyoung: I am not an igbo or a biafra I am the future. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 6:03pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Nowenuse: And my point is that this was a pointless "point". I need no education on the degree of autonomy Hong Kong has and I have addressed that. All I sought to do was draw a distinction between the concept of autonomy and independence which the other guy claimed were pretty much synonymous political terms. Your further going on to draw a distinction between Hong Kong and other autonomous entities is irrelevant to what was being argued. It's just gratuitous pedantry.
I get exhausted entering arguments here, cos often, whether due to misinterpretation of my points, or deliberate distortion, I find myself needing too many clarifications. You've argued against points that I didn't even make here. My simple points about Hong Kong are: 1) Hong Kong is an autonomous territory in China which functions very close to a fully independent republic. 2) This autonomy/near-independence is what makes their union with China palatable, which means China still enjoys support among the Hong Kongese. It helps that they were never enemies to start with. But with a GDP per capita over 5 times that of China, and personal liberties and press freedoms that are unobtainable in China, Hong Kong citizens want to preserve their unique status and as long as China acquiesces to these demands, there will be no agitation in Hong Kong for independence. At worst, Hong Kong will retain a similar status to Macau. Hong Kong will never be like just any other Chinese province. The day China wishes to impose that on Hong Kong will be the day a huge independence movement is born.
This is more arguments where we can't even keep track of what the argument was about. I have only stated here that the Taiwanese want nothing to do with China. Nothing else here is relevant. Taiwan do not care to reunite with China. That's the simple fact. They don't give a shiit about joining China. They assert their independence and no longer stake any claim on the Chinese Mainland, so whatever name they were answering is irrelevant history. RIGHT NOW, Taiwanese people have their own identity, are proud of all they've accomplished, are proud of all their freedoms, and do not wish to reunite with China. Simple. There is an uneasy truce between China and the Western powers that as long as Taiwan receives no recognition of independence from the international community, China would not escalate to violence in seeking reunification. So Taiwan has learnt to mind their own business and keep a low profile. But majority of Taiwanese people really do not give a shiit about China.
These unions would never, ever replace national identity or prestige or even come close to it. Again, these unions are mostly meant to facilitate greater economic exchange and present a common political front on some issues, but nobody will ever going around putting his EU membership over his national identity. There is no "pride" in the EU identity. Infact, it can hardly even be called an "identity" like one's family or kin or nationality. It's just basically a membership club where you pay for certain privileges.
You can find people with extreme opinions in every society. Its not worth making that a point of reference. The overwhelming majority of Croats, or Albanians, or Bosnians, or Slovenians, or Montenegrin, or Kosovars want nothing to do with any union with Serbia. Same way many ex-Soviet states despise Russia. The Baltic states in particular would happily join any NATO war to kick Russian butt. Russia fomented a civil war in Ukraine, because the Ukrainians wanted to leave the Russian sphere of influence. Same thing happened with Georgia. Deal with the simple fact that many nations care about more substantive things that matter to its citizens than attaching themselves to big countries to massage their egos.
What's the relevance of this? Scandinavian nations have close relationships. The point is that they are not a country and never desired to be one. They are happy to be Swedes and Danes etc. Even tiny Faroe Islands with just about 50,000 people wish to govern themselves though they use Denmark's currency and are protected by the Danish military.
Yes, it's my problem. Is there a place I said it was your problem before?
A lot of self-righteous nonsense here. I've never held a political post in my life. I rejected even prefect roles in school. I'm an introvert and largely keep to myself. Simply living up to my civic responsibilities is doing my job as a citizen. I don't know if you're expecting me to run for President or something. I live up to my own responsibilities. I'm that "bad belle" guy that scolds people on the street for littering the ground or urinating in public. When I was a Corper, I once had a problem with teachers in the school I was posted to because I discouraged students from cheating in exams. I was doing my duty, but to them I was trying to spoil the results of their students. I can bet you those are the kind of people that beat their chests about Nigeria and bleat about how great the country is. What exactly is your point here, oh sanctimonious one. What do you want me to do to make the country better. Oya, tell me. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 6:41pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Kenyanstar: The truth is tanzania is better than nigeria much better 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 6:57pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
sufferNsmiling:And they are better than Kenya and Ghana by farrrr. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 7:00pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:Of course not,how can you see any progress in Nigerian agriculture since you've programmed yourself not to see such? How can I be surprised such is coming from a man who diligently scrapped the bottom of the barrel to place Kenya ahead of Nigeria in university ranking? Currently Nigeria is Africa's biggest producer of raw eggs and we definitely produce far more chicken than we used to due to more awareness and certain policies. Our banking is important in our industrial sector and certain reforms have propelled the sector forward since 1999. The oil sector too is much better. Nowhere did anyone say Nigeria has made giant steps but certainly there's progress. And infrastructure wise too--the rail sector is being taken more seriously. But of course like I said this cuts across Africa. The refineries can't work if they continue to be in government hands and we all know there are moves by the private sector to solve that case. Nigeria is not a basket case like some of you like to trumpet. Yes, there is progress no matter what people like you say. ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by wizzzmike: 7:08pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
mtis: I laugh and it's funny when lazy youth Nigerians call us Ghanaians lazy |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 7:14pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
jaycent: Why did you stop posting Abuja and Lagos? |
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