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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:04pm On Aug 25, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Forget long story. Watch the match or the clip and say Iheanacho’s running did not cause the Algerians problem. If you say that Nacho did not cause them problems, then it is clear you are not good at watching the impact of players during games. Because, it is clear as daylight.

Finito.
I'm in good company if that's the case. Complete sports and some keen football observers on the thread seems to support my "view".

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 12:05pm On Aug 25, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


So if you were the coach of our team, you will not callup one of the top performers of the team in recent years, especially after such brilliant preseason for Leicester City. As in eh. You guys tire me. A striker in a premier league team.

You think preseason games are for fun?

Haba, fear God.
don't mind darkelf. Nacho's own is suspect, but Ighalo deserves all the call ups.

If you put Ighalo and Iheanacho in any viewing centre in Nigeria today, they will beat up Ighalo before they will even notice Iheanacho.


Ighalo is the number one wasteman in that team. One of the biggest flops especially considering how old he is. Is it not shameful that he is being constantly compared to somebody that was in U17 when he started his professional career?

At every level Ighalo has played for the National team he has been USELESS. He has been a proven wasteman for ages, it is not today he started being a waste of space, Iheanacho at EVERY LEVEL of national football has trumped him

That is the ONLY FACT in all this talk

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Certitude(m): 12:05pm On Aug 25, 2018
AIG07:
Keep quiet... Offer ko offa ni.

Them offer am job despite having a limp Eagles. Kikikiki
He lost to Croatia and Argentina at the world cup. So? Thank God y'all ain't his employer.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:08pm On Aug 25, 2018
goldfish80:

I'm in good company if that's the case. Complete sports and some keen football observers on the thread seems to support my "view".

Ironic you chose to highlight my point. You can not make a tactical impact. Simple question,

Did Nacho's running cause the Algerians problems, yes or no. Let us know if you are a biased analyst or not. Answer.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:09pm On Aug 25, 2018
goldfish80:

I'm in good company if that's the case. Complete sports and some keen football observers on the thread seems to support my "view".

My analysis was to contradict the report showing that Nacho did a lot to help the team win wit his running. So answer if Nacho helped us win with his constant running.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:11pm On Aug 25, 2018
AIG07:
The Question we need to ask ourselves is this: When exactly is that FUTURE?.

We don de talk about this future since God knows when. But this future seems to be moving farther away.

Personally, with Rohr's recent callups, I don't see any future with the man at the helms. Cos if he continues like this, only God knows what will happen.

We had a very poor World Cup with the bulk of the blame on his table and yet the man has not shown any sign that he has learnt one or two things.

I was expecting us to continue building and restructuring the team based on the pre-world cup foundation to have a very strong team.

Prior to the world cup we discovered a new formation (the 3-5-2) which best suits our side and I expect us to continue building the team around it. But for the sake of having other options, like the 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2,it is good to have players who can execute such formations. But filling the team with out and out strikers (Ighalo, Simy) has put such projects into jeopardy...

Ighalo over the years have shown repeatedly that he is not capable of leading our attack as a lone striker. Simy who has shown few glimpses in the little time he was given will be limited with the call of Ighalo. Ighalo's position should have been used to assess a new player(an attacking midfielder) that can help us solve our creative problems.

To cut things short, Rohr does not look like a coach to take us forward.

In as much as I saw 1 or 2 players I felt Rohr ought to have dropped going forward, I still feel it is a fair list.

Positives are that the 4 New players injected are young players. It means Rohr is developing a team that has a sustainable structure. Echiejile is being replaced by a younger player in Jamilu Collins, Moses is replaced by another younger player in Samuel Kalu. Kelechi Nwakali joins the Midfield in place of soon to retire Mikel and Semi Ajayi we all know is an up and coming talent.

I dont know what others think, but I am perfectly satisfied with the 4 Newbies included.

Talking about the future. Yes you are right, there has always been a future that keeps shifting. Which is why I ask TheSuperNerd about '' The New Dawn'' he said is not here yet that we are getting closer to. He is yet to give me a response till date. smiley

Team building takes time. The French Team that won the WC didnt just get there over-night. Same with the Belgian, Croatian and English teams of today.

Lets give Rohr a chance and see how he will build this team. These AFCON qualifiers will surely determine a lot of things.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:13pm On Aug 25, 2018
darkelf:


Ighalo: a no, no for me

Joel Obi: wonder his function in the team.

Onazi: Except rohr is marketing abdominal obesity, I don't understand his continual inclusion

Iheanacho: this guy is increasing his reputation as a scam in our Senior team. I guess rohr just likes him. I'm sure in a nation of over 170M, we have way better guys

KC Nwakali: I still think his call-up was rushed. Let's see what he has to offer .


We want to assume that there is some rational structure to player call up. Beyond subjective preference.

Otherwise what's the basis for call, past youthful glories

It's a slap on the face of players who are doing far better things in top flight football in thier club and league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Certitude(m): 12:15pm On Aug 25, 2018
edi287:

In a 4-4-2?? As a lone striker?? Against Cameroon and Zambia in our WCQs.
He had a bad world cup. Simple as that.
The nigga doesn't press and doesn't drop deep. He play even behind the defence line when we are with the ball, and without the ball leaves pressing for Mikel who is supposed to be behind him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:15pm On Aug 25, 2018
darkelf:


Shouldn't we be above judging players based on deceptive YouTube highlights that only overhypes them?

My view you need a more holistic view.

It's for that reason I am not keen to talk about players I have not seen in depth. Sometimes over a season live and in training.

Video clips are too easily contrived these days.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 12:16pm On Aug 25, 2018
History will not remember hold up play.

After all this baseless argument, the only thing history will remember is statistics and acts.

Ighalo will be remembered for missing vital goals at the 2018 World Cup, because he will most likely never redeem himself.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:17pm On Aug 25, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


My analysis was to contradict the report showing that Nacho did a lot to help the team win wit his running. So answer if Nacho helped us win with his constant running.


No offence to you but this particular line of argument makes you sound like....let me just stop there though. But just know that apart from you, and one or two other fanboys, nobody else in their right senses would ever assume that Iheanacho, with a rating of < or = to 5 in that match was one of the reasons why we won that game. If that's the case then why was everybody bashing Etebo after that SA game, he ran a lot more than Iheanacho
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:18pm On Aug 25, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


My analysis was to contradict the report showing that Nacho did a lot to help the team win wit his running. So answer if Nacho helped us win with his constant running.
Kelechi didn't have anything to do with that win as far as I'm concerned, the result won't have been different if you lead the line in that game.
Moses gave Nigeria the win with his forays down the left flank and exquisite finishing which Algeria had no answer to. In between the Moses goals was the fortuitous Mikel obi goal, which was as a result of the Algerians switching off totally.
Kelechi was a mere apparition in that game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:18pm On Aug 25, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Put Ighalo in Leicester City today, he would not start ahead of Nacho. It is just here you people can hide under proven over and over. Ighalo has not had better top performances, finishers or brilliant play than Nacho.

Ighalo plays because he suits when our team resorts to conservative, negative football. If we want to play in an offensive, creative, explosive manner, Ighalo will not come close.

If we are going against a side with creative, defensive holding play which most top teams utilize, a player like Ighalo becomes a liability. He lacks the creativity to drop deep and create for the wingers which is why he hardly has assists.

If Ighalo and Obagoal were in Leicester they would essentially relegate KC to the U23's. (and the KC transfer fee was not in consideration)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:20pm On Aug 25, 2018
Icon4s:


In as much as I saw 1 or 2 players I felt Rohr ought to have dropped going forward, I still feel it is a fair list.

Positives are that the 4 New players injected are young players. It means Rohr is developing a team that has a sustainable structure. Echiejile is being replaced by a younger player in Jamilu Collins, Moses is replaced by another younger player in Samuel Kalu. Kelechi Nwakali joins the Midfield in place of soon to retire Mikel and Semi Ajayi we all know is an up and coming talent.

I dont know what others think, but I am perfectly satisfied with the 4 Newbies included.

Talking about the future. Yes you are right, there has always been a future that keeps shifting. Which is why I ask TheSuperNerd about '' The New Dawn'' he said is not here yet that we are getting closer to. He is yet to give me a response till date. smiley

Team building takes time. The French Team that won the WC didnt just get there over-night. Same with the Belgian, Croatian and English teams of today.

Lets give Rohr a chance and see how he will build this team. These AFCON qualifiers will surely determine a lot of things.




When you talk about good teams do not include that English team. They lost against all the decent opposition they faced bar none
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:22pm On Aug 25, 2018
Mickael2:


When you talk about good teams do not include that English team. They lost against all the decent opposition they faced bar none

Oga, they are still a very good side. What then you will say of Germany, Spain and Brazil?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:23pm On Aug 25, 2018
andrew444:


I never wanted ighalo to be dropped no reason my comment.

I argued here about a week ago that ighalo should not only take the blame because of the World Cup miss,sorry the coach had no choice than to invite him,many people attacked me here in different way because I was supportive of ighalo

Now my brother please ask them in this thread which striker should be invited ahead of ighalo?

Someone is saying Isaac success ? Someone that has played only 17 minutes in the Epl ?

O common

Isaac Success was so impressive in pre season that not one Championship club, made a serious quest to get him on loan.

If I use the term " Waste Man " many get offended. Football is a short term career, you do not get many chances.

What's saving Isaac is the huge transfer fee that Watford want to recuperate by hook or crook. If not he would have been let go as bad market and an embarrassment.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:24pm On Aug 25, 2018
Icon4s:


Oga, they are still a very good side. What then you will say of Germany, Spain and Brazil?

Which notable team was in England's WCQ group? I am waiting

which notable team was in England's WC group? did they not lose against that team? I an waiting.

which notable team did England meet in the knockout stage? did they not also lose to all of them?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:29pm On Aug 25, 2018
Mickael2:


Which notable team was in England's WCQ group? I am waiting

which notable team was in England's WC group? did they not lose against that team? I an waiting.

which notable team did England meet in the knockout stage? did they not also lose to all of them?

Oga, which ever way you look at it finishing in top 4 in the World Cup is no mean fit.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 12:30pm On Aug 25, 2018
Mickael2:


Which notable team was in England's WCQ group? I am waiting

which notable team was in England's WC group? did they not lose against that team? I an waiting.

which notable team did England meet in the knockout stage? did they not also lose to all of them?
that England team na scam, Kane is the biggest scam of them all

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 12:31pm On Aug 25, 2018
Joebie:
Take a look at the lis and be true to yourselves. We have missing names due to injury and retirement. Besides those we know who would start irrespective of whether they had bad games in the recent past. I’m not going to start another argument about player A or B. I’m not convinced yet that it’s a new dawn with Rohr. The big positives is that Echiejile has been shown the way out. But if for example Collins cannot threaten Idowu’s place, we want to see what Deji can do right away. If Deji can’t, let’s see ikwuowem right away. If Ikwuowem fails, let’s see Duru right away.et it rotate until we have another viable option. I mean this for all the playing positions. The regulars should be pushed constantly. That’s my position.

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Let me back track a little bit on rotation. A player should only be invited based on their club performance. It should be rotated with that in mind.



If a player should be invited only based on club performance, rather than on the strength of past national performance, then what's Etebo doing in the squad?

You don't run a national team on trial and error, so just because Ospina had a subdued season for Arsenal, he shouldn't have made it into the Colombian World Cup squad? They would have lost a good GK due to unrealistic theories.


A national team is ought to be judged on pragmatism not idealism. When Joachim Low played the Confederation Cup, he invited only young new faces, but he also brought in two proven players Emre Can and Shkodran Mustafi.

As I said Joel and Onazi might not start, but they were invited so if the midfield fails, the coach has proven and known players to turn to. Not that he turns to the bench and sees another Ebere Eze or what's-his-face.

Onazi isn't bad in my opinion, just had a bad day.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:36pm On Aug 25, 2018
safarigirl:
that England team na scam, Kane is the biggest scam of them all

grin
This must be a sarcastic comment. grin

Wait, someone is coming for you grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:37pm On Aug 25, 2018
It's not surprising to me that the almost hysterical calls for Sadiq Umar have become TOTALLY SILENT.

Dude has gone to Rangers and has been unable to show his outstanding physicality as some described him too be. He was being compared to Tega Abrahams and an option in comparison to Ighalo.

I long ago said he wasn't good enough for league 1 and I was lambasted.

At Rangers Oviemuno is the first choice midfielder and is making waves. I believe Umar may come good if given time but at the moment he has a lot to learn. Gérard described him as unfit.

Meanwhile there are no calls for Oviemuno but we are inviting a youth player to the SE.

After the Salisu scandal these type of selections open us up to claims of unwholesome practices.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:40pm On Aug 25, 2018
Mickael2:


When you talk about good teams do not include that English team. They lost against all the decent opposition they faced bar none

They finished 4th with Juju abe.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 12:40pm On Aug 25, 2018
Certitude:

The nigga doesn't press and doesn't drop deep. He play even behind the defence line when we are with the ball, and without the ball leaves pressing for Mikel who is supposed to be behind him.
It's not a regular occurrence! That's my point. I'm not denying he was piss poor at friendlies and the WC proper...I personally feel he was struggling with sharpness.
But when he is on form, he is easily our best choice as a LONE STRIKER. If Rohr permanently switches to a 3-5-2, then I'm cool with dropping him....but not when we play with one striker.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 12:41pm On Aug 25, 2018
komekn:


Isaac Success was so impressive in pre season that not one Championship club, made a serious quest to get him on loan.

If I use the term " Waste Man " many get offended. Football is a short term career, you do not get many chances.

What's saving Isaac is the huge transfer fee that Watford want to recuperate by hook or crook. If not he would have been let go as bad market and an embarrassment.

Lol, controversial komekn at this one again

Yes you made a point and I agree with some of what you said but how can you say no championship club came for success ?

You know Aston villa wanted to get him on loan but watford refuses to sell because of they could not get their striker striker target from Nantes
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:43pm On Aug 25, 2018
Your past national team performance should be in present continuous terms. Etebo gave a good account of himself at the Mundial. You can’t be rewarding players based on that they did in 2016/2017 when since then they have been poor. Like I said earlier, we can only conclude that Etebo’s form has dropped when we assess him in the National team. For uncapped players, we can only judge from recent club performances.

Modified
You seem to be making a different argument. I’m speaking of building a formidable bench that pushes the regulars constantly. No be trial and error.

TheLoneCitizen:



If a player should be invited only based on club performance, rather than on the strength of past national performance, then what's Etebo doing in the squad?

You don't run a national team on trial and error, so just because Ospina had a subdued season for Arsenal, he shouldn't have made it into the Colombian World Cup squad? They would have lost a good GK due to unrealistic theories.


A national team is ought to be judged on pragmatism not idealism. When Joachim Low played the Confederation Cup, he invited only young new faces, but he also brought in two proven players Emre Can and Shkodran Mustafi.

As I said Joel and Onazi might not start, but they were invited so if the midfield fails, the coach has proven and known players to turn to. Not that he turns to the bench and sees another Ebere Eze or what's-his-face.

Onazi isn't bad in my opinion, just had a bad day.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:45pm On Aug 25, 2018
Icon4s:


Oga, which ever way you look at it finishing in top 4 in the World Cup is no mean fit.


You are an expert on FIFA rankings let me ask you England defeated Panama and Tunisia and lost to Belgium, Croatia and Belgium again, how exactly did their FIFA ranking increase the way it did?


OK relate that to 2010 when we actually beat Bosnia that was in No10 as at then, we beat them but it didn't even reflect what do you have to say? It's baffling that we are buying what they are selling to us

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 12:48pm On Aug 25, 2018
Joebie:
Your past national team performance should be in present continuous terms. Etebo gave a good account of himself at the Mundial. You can’t be rewarding players based on that they did in 2016/2017 when since then they have been poor. Like I said earlier, we can only conclude that Etebo’s [/b]form has dropped when we assess him in the National team[b]. For uncapped players, we can only judge from recent club performances.

This was the point I was trying to make when I said Nacho wasn't in top form. But for some strange reason, it was seen as taking a jab at him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 12:54pm On Aug 25, 2018
Joebie:
Your past national team performance should be in present continuous terms. Etebo gave a good account of himself at the Mundial. You can’t be rewarding players based on that they did in 2016/2017 when since then they have been poor. Like I said earlier, we can only conclude that Etebo’s form has dropped when we assess him in the National team. For uncapped players, we can only judge from recent club performances.

Modified
You seem to be making a different argument. I’m speaking of building a formidable bench that pushes the regulars constantly. No be trial and error.



You stated
"The big positives is that Echiejile has been shown the way out. But if for example Collins cannot threaten Idowu’s place, we want to see what Deji can do right away. If Deji can’t, let’s see ikwuowem right away. If Ikwuowem fails, let’s see Duru right away.et it rotate until we have another viable option. I mean this for all the playing positions. The regulars should be pushed constantly. That’s my position." That's trial and error.

Look at Leighton Baines of Everton, he is facing new competition from Lucas Digne, but he doesn't just see his position taken outrightly, he is eased out of the squad.

If you want Onazi to be out of the team, you don't just stop inviting him, you ease him out of the squad, these are senior players. Germany can't just stop inviting Tony Kroos, look at the way Nainggolan was eased out of the Belgian squad.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 12:57pm On Aug 25, 2018
safarigirl:
don't mind darkelf. Nacho's own is suspect, but Ighalo deserves all the call ups.

If you put Ighalo and Iheanacho in any viewing centre in Nigeria today, they will beat up Ighalo before they will even notice Iheanacho.


Ighalo is the number one wasteman in that team. One of the biggest flops especially considering how old he is. Is it not shameful that he is being constantly compared to somebody that was in U17 when he started his professional career?

At every level Ighalo has played for the National team he has been USELESS. He has been a proven wasteman for ages, it is not today he started being a waste of space, Iheanacho at EVERY LEVEL of national football has trumped him

That is the ONLY FACT in all this talk

See ehn safari, I am totally against ighalo's call-up. In fact, the guy should have just retired by himself after the world cup

The reason I talked that way about nacho is because I feel the dude can do way better than his current level. I mean, a few years ago, he was rated as a potential world-class player but truth is, he has not lived up to expectations in recent times.

Therefore, nacho has to repay the faith Rohr has in him by giving us good goal or assists returns in the GWG. That's all I mean.

I apologize for the strong word "Scam" I used earlier to describe nacho
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:00pm On Aug 25, 2018
Mickael2:



You are an expert on FIFA rankings let me ask you England defeated Panama and Tunisia and lost to Belgium, Croatia and Belgium again, how exactly did their FIFA ranking increase the way it did?


OK relate that to 2010 when we actually beat Bosnia that was in No10 as at then, we beat them but it didn't even reflect what do you have to say? It's baffling that we are buying what they are selling to us

Are Tunisia and Panama the only countries they beat? Did they not beat Colombia and Sweden?

And to the bolded, you mean 2014. Matches won earn you points. We only won 1 match in 2014 but this English team won 4 matches! Is that not enough to push them far?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:04pm On Aug 25, 2018
Watching Jamilu Collins.. Second half about to start. I did not watch the first half.

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