rvp2018:
Obababoon patriotism is not substitute of facts. If you check countries that Nigeria allege to compete with in the world - they are 10 times larger in land mass, have more advanced agriculture and are noted exporters agri products. Your claim to have Brazil agriculture - a country that has agriculture GDP value of 80-90B - and export around 70B of agriclutural exports - including the sugar and soya beans you are taking in Nigeria. You claim to be near Indonesia - a country that export 35B dollars of agricultural goods - include the rice and INDOMIE you're so much in love with .

You claim to have 80-90B worth of agriculture - all consisting of low-dollar value crops like yams - and yet export very little (few cocoa beans,shrimps and rubber) - and you spend nearly 1/3 of all OIL DOLLARS to import food - like Indomie from Indonesia, Sugar from Brazil, Wheat from Russia, Corn from US and tomato paste .

Even looking at figures and you 200M population - how do manage to consume 80B dollars worth of yams annually . China and India with their 1.3B people cannot consume all that food that your allegedly produce and consume in your own gardens Brazil has about your population - they consume around 20B dollars of their agriclutural products and export the rest.

Obviously this is over-cooked fufu that Yemi Kale and you are trying to pass as GDP .

I was expecting you'd defend Nigeria over-cooked GDP sector by sector - but obviously you think you can defend it by attacking the credibilty of kenya's figures.

Let go there. Agriculture is indeed the mainstay of our economy and everything you see in Kenya has been built on the back of that sector.Its Kenya account for around 23-5% of GDP - right now that would be anything around 20B dollars. That is when it's strictly restricted to agri as per UN classification - however much of manufacturing is also agri-based and so are many things.

We produces 20B worth of agri output and export around 4B dollars. We are world leading exporters of tea, horticulture, flowers, nuts, coffee and many such goods. We have deficit in few foods - small deficit in maize , rice and wheat - .

I don't know much about Argentine (apart from their world class beef industry) - but looking at data - it agri is 6% of it's 640B GDP - that put it around 40B dollars. Or twice kenya. So you're wrong.

Mr Obababoon your patriotism on anything Nigeria is admirable but Nigeria requires honest conversation because it truly a shit hole - the world capital of absolute poverty - with nearly 70% of it's people living below 2 dollars a day!! You can cook your GDP (which is essentially OIL) but you cannot cook reality.

Here's an example of our GENUINE GDP GROWTH AND PROPER AUDITING WITH OUR DAIRY BIZ. A glance at our diary sector shows our ishyt is real! Do you know almost 20% of all milk produced in SSA is ours?

It is the most rapidly expanding dairy sub sector in sub-Sahara Africa with over 85% of the dairy cattle population in Eastern Africa (ILRI 2000). Kenyan dairy cattle population is estimated at 4.3 million (Fig 1) with an estimated milk production of 3.43 billion litres (RoK 2015) comprising 18% of the 3% global contribution by sub-Saharan Africa (IFAD 2006).

http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd29/7/atiw29139.html

In fact ..

Kenya’s dairy sub sector contributes about 8% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP)

the rest is taken up by tea,coffee,grains,potatoes, fish etc etc which are all accounted for by recognisable organisations . Iow,there's no Yemi Kale type BS with our agri auditing! If he could come with such facts for his kola nuts/peanuts/cassava etc etc sector he would have but we thoroughly debunked that already on this page laughing at their 200 bn farm sector!

Dar es salaam Tanzania

kikuyu1:


Here's an example of our GENUINE GDP GROWTH AND PROPER AUDITING WITH OUR DAIRY BIZ. A glance at our diary sector shows our ishyt is real! Do you know almost 20% of all milk produced in SSA is ours?




http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd29/7/atiw29139.html

In fact ..


the rest is taken up by tea,coffee,grains,potatoes, fish etc etc which are all accounted for by recognisable organisations . Iow,there's no Yemi Kale type BS with our agri auditing! If he could come with such facts for his kola nuts/peanuts/cassava etc etc sector he would have but we thoroughly debunked that already on this page laughing at their 200 bn farm sector!

Nigerian Agricultural Sector has always been about 18-20%( together with the service sector) of Nigerian GDP, if for the sake of arguement, Nigerian GDP is 320 Billion dollars( using a 360 naira to 1 dollar rate) then the agricultural sector is just about 60 Billion dollars, so where do you get your 200 bn farm sector from? Even agriculture has been contributing less to the Nigerian GDP in the past two years compared to 2014 ,probably due to an increase in Herdsmen Crises (which would also be a thing of the past soon enough ).
lf you look at the new stats of the Nigerian GDP, you'll see that oil and Agriculture have been going down by each quarter, the oil sector for instance had a large negative growth and other sectors grew meagerly, but Nigeria recorded a 1.5% growth in this second quarter. This is very small, but it was largely driven by the non oil sector, the oil and gas sector was down, and other sectors like Transportation,Construction, Services and Broadcasting Sectors led the growth. Non oil sector up by 2.05%, strongest since 2015.

I see you're now happy to take a lower realistic figure of 320B(using black market USD exchange rate). Yemi Kale officially still has your GDP around 400B...and at it very highest 550B (2014 or around). Obviously Oil industry is easy to figure out - because it mostly export driven - so there is a lot of data to cross-reference whatever Yemi-Kale cooks up. I think figure of 30-60B usd for oil production annually is more or less credible - depending on volatile oil prices. As for Agri - it's been 20-22% the last few yrs of Nigeria GDP - and according to Yemi Kale's that would be around 100B (more than Brazil in 2014) and now around 80B. It's sixth globally. Everyone of course knows that is BS - and hence Nigeria ECONOMY is also BS. First of all you do not even know what is produced in Nigeria and what isn't - you min of agricluture and Yemi kale have no capacity to do that - they even skipped census for lack of money.

When all is said and done - Nigeria GDP - real GDP is btw 150-200B. I'd but it now at 180B dollars. Your GDP per capita would make you LDC like Tanzania. That is where you really belong if you pick any random indicator of progress and development.

Kenya GDP is now nearing 90B and our GDP per capita around 2,000 dollars.

Daejoyoung:

Nigerian Agricultural Sector has always been about 18-20%( together with the service sector) of Nigerian GDP, if for the sake of arguement, Nigerian GDP is 320 Billion dollars( using a 360 naira to 1 dollar rate) then the agricultural sector is just about 60 Billion dollars, so where do you get your 200 bn farm sector from? Even agriculture has been contributing less to the Nigerian GDP in the past two years compared to 2014 ,probably due to an increase in Herdsmen Crises (which would also be a thing of the past soon enough ).
lf you look at the new stats of the Nigerian GDP, you'll see that oil and Agriculture have been going down by each quarter, the oil sector for instance had a large negative growth and other sectors grew meagerly, but Nigeria recorded a 1.5% growth in this second quarter. This is very small, but it was largely driven by the non oil sector, the oil and gas sector was down, and other sectors like Transportation,Construction, Services and Broadcasting Sectors led the growth. Non oil sector up by 2.05%, strongest since 2015.

rvp2018:
I see you're now happy to take a lower realistic figure of 320B(using black market USD exchange rate). Yemi Kale officially still has your GDP around 400B...and at it very highest 550B (2014 or around). Obviously Oil industry is easy to figure out - because it mostly export driven - so there is a lot of data to cross-reference whatever Yemi-Kale cooks up. I think figure of 50-60B for oil production annually is more or less credible. As for Agri - it's been 20-22% the last few yrs of Nigeria GDP - and according to Yemi Kale's that would be around 100B (more than Brazil in 2014) and now around 80B. It's sixth globally. Everyone of course knows that is BS - and hence Nigeria ECONOMY is also BS. First of all you do not even know what is produced in Nigeria and what isn't - you min of agricluture and Yemi kale have no capacity to do that - they even skipped census for lack of money.

When all is said and done - Nigeria GDP - real GDP is btw 150-200B. I'd but it now at 180B dollars. Your GDP per capita would make you LDC like Tanzania. That is where you really belong if you pick any random indicator of progress and development.

Kenya GDP is now nearing 90B and our GDP per capita around 2,000 dollars.

Who cares about a so called Yemi Kale? Yes the Nigerian GDP was 550 Billion dollars after rebasing and there have been a recession and currency devaluation putting it around 300 Billion dollars, so l don't know where you get your 200Billion dollars from?
Stop viewing Nigeria through the lens of Kenya, Nigeria cannot be compared to Kenya whether in Agriculture or exports, this is expected with the land we have for agriculture, the huge population of subsistence farmers, and of course the oil sector. Nigeria is far richer and bigger than Kenya or anything Kenya can bring forward. The Strength of Kenya is that she seems to be better managed, but again she is highly corrupt and in huge debt. Exporting tea and flowers doesn't do much for an economy, especially a small one of just about 50-70 Billion dollars.
Your GDP figures also do not align with reality, it should be about 50-60 Billion dollars. The Nigerian data is even more trustworthy internationally than that of Kenya. So yes our Agriculture in 2014 was at it's peak and about 80-100 Billion dollars, now it is about 60 Billion dollars and has problems with Herdsmen Crises.
Check well, agriculture grew rapidly under the then minister Adesina between 2012 and 2014, he is now the head of the Afdb and doing well, so yes our Agriculture was on the verge of competing with that of Brazil at the time.

Myth of Nigeria agriculture that statistically compete with Brazil.
Just look at number of tractors they have. Nigeri has 22K compared to India's 1.5 and China 2M. Kenya I think has twice Nigerian tractors. Nigeria number of tractors is close to Somalia
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/AG.LND.TRAC.ZS/rankings
Nigeria also remain world leading import of rice, wheat and name it.

rvp2018:
Myth of Nigeria agriculture that statistically compete with Brazil.
Just look at number of tractors they have. Nigeri has 22K compared to India's 1.5 and China 2M. Kenya I think has twice Nigerian tractors. Nigeria number of tractors is close to Somalia
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/AG.LND.TRAC.ZS/rankings
Nigeria also remain world leading import of rice, wheat and name it.

Agriculture in Nigeria is largely non commercial.

Yemi Kale is chief chef of Nigeria overcooked GDP. Nigeria GDP has never been 550B or 400B or 320B. That one huge lie. You cannot have 70% of your people living below poverty line (international poverty line of 2USD) and still claims to have such a arse-kicking agricluture that it beat Brazil - with 10 times your land mass. Your agriculture as industry is 40% of GDP (that include agro-based industries like millers) but if we stick to UN definition of Agriculture then it's 20%. Obviously all that IS BOLLOCKS.

The reason we are having a debate about agricluture is because it biggest sector of your GDP and it easy to dismantle. We just need to go through all Yemi Kale ingredients....to see where this 80-200B dollar industry is hidden in. You import huge tonnes of food.

You economy is simple. You sell oil (30-60B) and you import food (20B possibly). The remainder is what goes to gov as taxes - 10B.

Kenya has done very well - we don't have oil - we have 20% of our land arable(with 10% high potential) - and we have about half you land - and 1/4 your population - but see what we've done to lemo - we've made a lemonade. We long ditched or are ditching low dollar value crops like yams or cassava or millet - for top dollar crops like horticulture, floriculture, avacados, nuts, coffee, tea - and we are known worldwide for producing the BEST QUALITY agriclutural products that compete in Europe & North America. Chance are the next time you shop in London or Newyork or Tokyo- you'll buy a made a kenyan made product.Yes we have nothing but pride in what we have done in our country. Yes we have corruption but it's benign compared to yours. Our companies are responsible for FDIS - all the way from Mozambique to even Nigeria.

Kenya GDP is all out there - if you want to rip it apart - please do it INTELLIGENTLY - SHOW US WHY YOU THINK OUR AGRI IS NOT WORTH 20B dollars.

Bottomline: If you had GDP that Big backed by agric that BIG - you won't have POVERTY IN NIGERIA. And all the efforts by gov to kickstart agricluture would be misplaced because Yemi Kale is already telling us you're there - right now US and China have to worry about Nigeria hidden agriclutural giant. You already have eclipsed Brazil. However nobody has ever seen a ship sailing out of Nigeria with anything apart from few cocoa beans & rubber.

Daejoyoung:

Who cares about a so called Yemi Kale? Yes the Nigerian GDP was 550 Billion dollars after rebasing and there have been a recession and currency devaluation putting it around 300 Billion dollars, so l don't know where you get your 200Billion dollars from?
Stop viewing Nigeria through the lens of Kenya, Nigeria cannot be compared to Kenya whether in Agriculture or exports, this is expected with the land we have for agriculture, the huge population of subsistence farmers, and of course the oil sector. Nigeria is far richer and bigger than Kenya or anything Kenya can bring forward. The Strength of Kenya is that she seems to be better managed, but again she is highly corrupt and in huge debt. Exporting tea and flowers doesn't do much for an economy, especially a small one of just about 50-70 Billion dollars.
Your GDP figures also do not align with reality, it should be about 50-60 Billion dollars. The Nigerian data is even more trustworthy internationally than that of Kenya. So yes our Agriculture in 2014 was at it's peak and about 80-100 Billion dollars, now it is about 60 Billion dollars and has problems with Herdsmen Crises.
Check well, agriculture grew rapidly under the then minister Adesina between 2012 and 2014, he is now the head of the Afdb and doing well, so yes our Agriculture was on the verge of competing with that of Brazil at the time.

yeah traditional agri cannot generate 100B dollars. Your hoe simply cannot do that. Unless you're telling us we've been wrong and nigeria just discovered new ways to get more output from their hoes.

Daejoyoung:

Agriculture in Nigeria is largely non commercial.

Obi1kenobi:


No ambiguity exists. You pretend it does, so you can rehash the point again and again. I long conceded that poll numbers show less Hong Kong people are inclined towards independence than those favouring the union with China.

The bolded is why I said the case is closed on that Hong Kong affair,my boy. If this back and forth had made you to do your research to arrive at belief different from your earlier erroneous belief, what more is there to say?I am sure next time you would put the horse before the cart and be sure of what you are saying before coming online to misinform others.

How many days of preparing this response and this was the best you could do? Firstly, the emboldened in disingenuous horseshiit. You said and I quote:

That is a generalized comment. You weren't referring to Hong Kong alone (in which case you'd still be wrong). Even in this very post, you have continued with the line that autonomy and independence are synonymous, while in another breath earlier, trying to contest my claim that Taiwan is independent. And you were talking about Maradona? I'd have said you have Maradonaesque dribbling skills, but dribbling yourself is more clumsiness than technical excellence in dribbling. Had you not added "in politics", your comment might have made sense. In several uses of "autonomy" outside geopolitics, it can be used in the same context as independence. In politics, there is not a single sovereign, independent republic on earth referred to as autonomous, and there is not a single autonomous territory on earth referred to as independent. But keep dribbling yourself.

I didn't know you always waited expectantly for my responses. You must have heaved a big sigh of relief then,thinking you were free.Sorry, I will make my responses earlier next time.This must really mean a lot to you.So you agree autonomy is a synonym for independence outside politics. But I never said an autonomous country is an independent country. Yes,autonomous countries enjoy a lot of independence but not total independence. Infact complete autonomy is the same thing as independence.So when you say autonomy, in politics it refers to independence concerning many aspects of social, economic and political endeavors. Point out anywhere I said Hong Kong is independent. If you can't do that then this your straw clinging is irrelevant. Keep pretending you don't know what I meant.Anyway, you've conceded on your silly generalization about hong Kong wanting nothing to do with China. What else do I want?

I'm guessing you were in a coma during the Hong Kong protests of 2014 where hundreds of thousands marched on the streets. Hong Kong's retention of its privileges depends on vigilant observation of China's overreach. China has already violated a number of provisions of the Sino-British treaty, but it's in a position to bully Hong Kong, so they can't do anything about it.

The way you lie is amazing, Maradona.So that 2014 protest was a push for autonomy? You obviously knew nothing about it and quickly researched it and still got your facts wrong. This is a new low for you. An autonomy that has always been there.Retention of autonomy is different from pushing for autonomy. I am beginning to believe you are deliberately mixing up facts to confuse the less knowledgeable people here.

If you thought that was the crux of the argument, you have attention deficit issues. That was where the argument got sidetracked into a tedious back-and-forth about Chinese geopolitics, but was hardly the actual point. What's my business with China? I was refuting the absurd claim that every small country just wants to be like all the big countries, nevermind that many of such small countries are willing to die to free themselves from the big countries. That is what the argument has been about and addressed to the vain, nationalistic egos of many chest-beating Nigerians who think many African countries give a shiit about their country's size.
Taiwan's long past history with China is irrelevant to the aspirations of Taiwanese today. Run around in these circles all you want: the fact remains a plurality of Taiwanese citizens are very proud of their country and fiercely protective of their Taiwanese identity and don't give a shiit about China.

Do you need me to highlight your initial post and how this argument started to jolt your short span memory again? What's my business with small countries not wanting to be like big countries. I started arguing with you on only two points that stood out for me from your post.¹1.Hong Kong never wanted anything to do with China.
2.Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world.
So far you have kept your big mouth shut on the first. The second argument, you still have not been able to substantiate. And I have since left you alone on that. I am not that cruel.

Maybe. Sub-saharan Africans mean/median IQ test scores consistently rank at the bottom of all global territories evaluated.

Okay Africans are more stupid than others because the whites tell us so? What will you not say to score points. You remind me of a white scientist who tried to tell the whole world Africans were backward because they were black. A test was carried out on him and he turned out to have a lot of black genes himself.We know your type.

Why not compare India or Indonesia's development to their small neighbors like Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Myanmar etc? Wriggle around all you want, population should not be an excuse. There are many small failed nations in Africa and around the globe. Nigeria's failures might be rationalized with partial attributions to its political complexity, but there is so much more that explains the rot.

I've answered this already above. Fact is if India were not that big,it would be doing better than it is.

If Nigeria, the "giant" had any real regional credibility (since apparently everyone is so envious of us as you keep telling the Kenyans), we should be regarded more seriously for American leaders to pay us a visit, don't ya think? Bush or Obama had no interest in visiting Nigeria for the same reasons they don't visit Somalia or Sudan? American Presidents don't go the Middle East without visiting Saudi Arabia and Israel. If they don't care to visit Nigeria, maybe we should stop beating our chests about how relevant we are in Africa.

And finally, I guess you were in a coma when George Bush visited Nigeria, olodo.I guess you will run to Google again to do your research to know about something that happened not long ago under your nose.

rvp2018:
yeah traditional agri cannot generate 100B dollars. Your hoe simply cannot do that. Unless you're telling us we've been wrong and nigeria just discovered new ways to get more output from their hoes.

The only way their agri sector could be even 100bn$ is if they had DUMB equivalents,which are Deep Underground Military Bases,secretly producing value added products like peanuts oil,cotton seed cake,avocado oil,SUPPLYING THE WHOLE WORLD!


Do this:provide the receipts on your agriculture. Show us the breakdown like I touched on with our dairy sector and we'll unpack it. Btw,last nigh a long lost pal of mine told me he's now in the dairy sector,specifically in the feeds sector and his plant in Kiambu is now valued at 50 mn kshs,0.5 mn $ which is an example of the huge multiplier effect of this sector. For a minute think of cattle feeds-fyi,it involves everything from omena,(a sardine like fish from L Victoria)cotton seed cake,grains,micro nutrients transport and mixing and manufacture of said feed ingredients.

3) You didn't answer my earlier question: is Kenya more developed than Nigeria or not? Let me understand what this interminable thread is really about. Is Kenya more developed than Nigeria or not?

And no, Kenya having a higher HDI is not just about population. Sure, greater demographic control helps, but it's ultimately about policies and will. India have dragged hundreds of millions of people out of poverty afterall while Nigeria's poverty-stricken numbers have only risen. Kenya's poverty incidence rate has fallen sharply in the last decade by 10%, unlike Nigeria:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/kenya/publication/kenya-economic-update-poverty-incidence-in-kenya-declined-significantly-but-unlikely-to-be-eradicated-by-2030

Its like obi1kenobi,said:grandstar,answer the question. By now you should know I don't do ho babble about Taiwan,Hong Kong and what not. I'm only interested in the TRUTH. ARE WE MORE DEVELOPED THAN YOU-YES OR NO? Facts only,please! Like I said,I've zero interest in primary school playground exchanges.

obaaderemi:
The bolded is why I said the case is closed on that Hong Kong affair,my boy. If this back and forth had made you to do your research to arrive at belief different from your earlier erroneous belief, what more is there to say?I am sure next time you would put the horse before the cart and be sure of what you are saying before coming online to misinform others.



I didn't know you always waited expectantly for my responses. You must have heaved a big sigh of relief then,thinking you were free.Sorry, I will make my responses earlier next time.This must really mean a lot to you.So you agree autonomy is a synonym for independence outside politics. But I never said an autonomous country is an independent country. Yes,autonomous countries enjoy a lot of independence but not total independence. Infact complete autonomy is the same thing as independence.So when you say autonomy, in politics it refers to independence concerning many aspects of social, economic and political endeavors. Point out anywhere I said Hong Kong is independent. If you can't do that then this your straw clinging is irrelevant. Keep pretending you don't know what I meant.Anyway, you've conceded on your silly generalization about hong Kong wanting nothing to do with China. What else do I want?



The way you lie is amazing, Maradona.So that 2014 protest was a push for autonomy? You obviously knew nothing about it and quickly researched it and still got your facts wrong. This is a new low for you. An autonomy that has always been there.Retention of autonomy is different from pushing for autonomy. I am beginning to believe you are deliberately mixing up facts to confuse the less knowledgeable people here.




Do you need me to highlight your initial post and how this argument started to jolt your short span memory again? What's my business with small countries not wanting to be like big countries. I started arguing with you on only two points that stood out for me from your post.¹1.Hong Kong never wanted anything to do with China.
2.Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world.
So far you have kept your big mouth shut on the first. The second argument, you still have not been able to substantiate. And I have since left you alone on that. I am not that cruel.


Okay Africans are more stupid than others because the whites tell us so? What will you not say to score points. You remind me of a white scientist who tried to tell the whole world Africans were backward because they were black. A test was carried out on him and he turned out to have a lot of black genes himself.We know your type.
I've answered this already above. Fact is if India were not that big,it would be doing better than it is.

And finally, I guess you were in a coma when George Bush visited Nigeria, olodo.I guess you will run to Google again to do your research to know about something that happened not long ago under your nose.

That Obi Kenobi guy just dey yarn dust, so because only Obama failed to visit Naija, then this makes Naija less important? this type of reasoning baffles me. Here is quote from President Bush's visit to Obasanjo in 2003 after Nigeria played the major role on resolving the Liberian crises then.



[b]Ahead of a meeting with Obasanjo, who was re-elected in April despite accusations of vote rigging, President Bush said the United States looked forward to working with the West African nation on future diplomatic and trade issues.

“We look forward to being an active trading partner with Nigeria. I appreciate your commitment to regional peace and we will work with Nigeria and ECOWAS on issues such as Liberia….” Bush told Obasanjo before a meeting in the capital city of Abuja.

ECOWAS, or the Economic Community of West African States, is a regional trade grouping.

Later, during a speech to an annual summit that focuses on African business development, the president called Nigeria a “nation of great diversity and great promise.”

Nigeria emerged from well over a decade of often brutal military dictatorship in 1999 with the civilian election of Obasanjo, a former military leader who pledged to institute full democratic reform.

On the Liberia conflict, the president reportedly told Obasanjo that he had not decided whether to send U.S. troops to aid in peacekeeping efforts, calling again for embattled Liberian leader Charles Taylor to step down[/b].

As of February 2018, Nigeria overtook India as the country with the most people in extreme poverty. For context, India has 5 times the population of Nigeria. According to World Bank standards, living in extreme poverty is living on less than $1.90 (N680) per day. People living in extreme poverty are unable to meet even the barest minimal needs for survival.


In 2015, the UN set up the Sustainable Development Goals, and the first of them is to "eradicate extreme poverty for all people everywhere by 2030". However to achieve this globally, 90 people need to leave poverty every minute to eradicate poverty totally by 2030; and to achieve this in Africa, 57 people have to leave every minute; and in Nigeria, 12 people per minute.

As you can imagine, this is not the case. In fact the opposite is the case. On the average, 9 people are entering extreme poverty every minute, and Nigeria and the Democratic Republic of Congo are both responsible for the 9. And individually, Nigeria has about 7 people going into poverty every minute.
For Nigeria, this is due to many reasons, first of all, population. Nigeria’s population is growing faster than its economy. Between 1990 and 2013, Nigeria’s population increased by 81 percent. And by 2050, according to the UN, Nigeria will be third most populous country in the world. Only behind India and China.

And while poverty is billed to wildly increase in 2018, the IMF projects Nigeria's GDP to rise by only 0.8 percent in 2018, after the 2016 recession slowed down the economy. Nigeria’s 2018 record budget (which President Buhari stood for 69 minutes to present, this was news for some reason) is running on a deficit, and will be funded by much borrowing with government debts already on the rise.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://worldpoverty.io/&ved=2ahUKEwjDi93WrY3dAhVDxYUKHWEVABUQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw06oUZWgZIZG4wdn4eWwXVL

India's poverty escape target is 10per minute they're doing 42per min, while Nigeria is negative 6per min

obaaderemi:
The bolded is why I said the case is closed on that Hong Kong affair,my boy. If this back and forth had made you to do your research to arrive at belief different from your earlier erroneous belief, what more is there to say?I am sure next time you would put the horse before the cart and be sure of what you are saying before coming online to misinform others.

You say the case is closed. Then you say I was ambiguous about it. Which is it?

I didn't know you always waited expectantly for my responses. You must have heaved a big sigh of relief then,thinking you were free.Sorry, I will make my responses earlier next time.This must really mean a lot to you.So you agree autonomy is a synonym for independence outside politics. But I never said an autonomous country is an independent country. Yes,autonomous countries enjoy a lot of independence but not total independence. Infact complete autonomy is the same thing as independence.So when you say autonomy, in politics it refers to independence concerning many aspects of social, economic and political endeavors. Point out anywhere I said Hong Kong is independent. If you can't do that then this your straw clinging is irrelevant. Keep pretending you don't know what I meant.Anyway, you've conceded on your silly generalization about hong Kong wanting nothing to do with China. What else do I want?

Classic projection. Everything about the way you argue suggests keyboard "warrioring" means a lot to you. From chestbeating self-arrogation of victory to himself, to juvenile emoticons, to the rehashing of a long-time past argument that no one cares about. Are you asking me whether I "agree" autonomy as in "autonomous judiciary", "autonomous legislature", "autonomous central bank" etc is the same as independent? If you're trying to be clever by half, any half-bright high school student knows that context of usage. At least we're finally getting somewhere. Autonomous territories are not independent. All this self-dribbling to arrive at the same conclusion. All the qualifications about "complete autonomy" and "total independence" have no relevance to the simple correction I wanted to pass: in geopolitics, no one uses the words "autonomy" and "independence" interchangeably. No autonomous territory is termed as "independent" until it has unqualified sovereignty over all its affairs. And vice-versa: there is not a single independent republic, federation or whatever in the world called autonomous. In geopolitics, autonomous only refers to territories that are tethered to a separate sovereign entity.

The way you lie is amazing, Maradona.So that 2014 protest was a push for autonomy? You obviously knew nothing about it and quickly researched it and still got your facts wrong. This is a new low for you. An autonomy that has always been there.Retention of autonomy is different from pushing for autonomy. I am beginning to believe you are deliberately mixing up facts to confuse the less knowledgeable people here.

Please, name me anywhere here I ever said Hong Kong was not always autonomous. Common sense should have indicated precisely what I meant: that they have fought to retain all the privileges of their autonomy from the mainland which China has attempted to renege on with interference in domestic Hong Kong politics. It had absolutely nothing to do with "seeking" an autonomy they already have. You're attempting to manufacture a fake point of difference for purposes of pedantry.

Do you need me to highlight your initial post and how this argument started to jolt your short span memory again? What's my business with small countries not wanting to be like big countries. I started arguing with you on only two points that stood out for me from your post.¹1.Hong Kong never wanted anything to do with China.
2.Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world.
So far you have kept your big mouth shut on the first. The second argument, you still have not been able to substantiate. And I have since left you alone on that. I am not that cruel.

Does the argument start with your comment or with my comment? My comment you responded to mentioned several countries. You quibbled specifically with my claim about Hong Kong. But I wasn't here to argue about Hong Kong or China. I was here to argue that being "big" doesn't make all countries inclined to be bigger entities. Digressions since then have resulted in this endless loop over trifles about Hong Kong and autonomy. At this point, it is all about egos and doesn't advance any argument so I'm not going to waste any more comments on those minor issues.
Nigeria until last year and this year had been in TI's bottom 10 of the Corruption Index for over a decade. Which I said didn't give a shiit about because it is inconceivable that any country could be more corrupt than Nigeria. But since it matters to you to acknowledge that by that metric all the Somalias and South Sudans and Afghanistans of the world are more corrupt than Nigeria, you can have that as well if we can get back to all the ways Kenya are better than Nigeria and why this pointless thread is still going on as you guys are comprehensively eviscerated by the Kenyans, and even the Ghanaian blokes.

Okay Africans are more stupid than others because the whites tell us so? What will you not say to score points. You remind me of a white scientist who tried to tell the whole world Africans were backward because they were black. A test was carried out on him and he turned out to have a lot of black genes himself.We know your type.
I've answered this already above. Fact is if India were not that big,it would be doing better than it is.

And finally, I guess you were in a coma when George Bush visited Nigeria, olodo.I guess you will run to Google again to do your research to know about something that happened not long ago under your nose.

I haven't said we are more stupid or endorsed any such study. You asked a question, and I pointed to the probability of your musing being true, given the studies on the topic around.
Nothing is a fact about your India claim. A number of its far smaller neighbors are doing very badly, so you can't say for sure that India would be doing better if it were smaller and presenting it as immutable "fact".
Well to be fair, I was an 11-year-old child when Bush visited and was more interested in my comic books and XBox than his visit. I still know Obama disregarded a whole "giant" of Africa to visit Ghana. Dribble around all you want, that tells a lot about how much Nigeria is valued as a strategic partner of the US.

Kazikazi:
You have nothing there just a handful of oil.no managerial or human resource.thats why hunger and unemployment doesnt leave kenya.hungry kenyans.Did u ever hear about graphite? Wait for a shocker from Tanzania.

Tanzania is not capable of shocking anyone. Even itself.

gallivant:
Kenya blank Tanzania in U-20 opener

Kenya were drawn in a relatively easy Pool A alongside Tanzania,
Nigeria and Cameroon, thereby evading seven-time champions
Egypt, who were cast in Pool B together with Uganda, Mauritius,
Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda.
They will face Nigeria in their next match scheduled for
Wednesday afternoon.

Lolz! The easy meats. Everyone wants to be grouped with Tanzania and Nigeria because they cant beat anybody.

Never seen a lazier bunch than Tanzanians. Folks cant beat anybody in sports. At least the Nigerians kick in football and some other sports but these neighbors cant win a single match. Im sure they will go back to dar without a single win.

Today's pics of Westlands...this place really changes like in a daily basis

Obi1kenobi:






Classic projection. Everything about the way you argue suggests keyboard "warrioring" means a lot to you. From chestbeating self-arrogation of victory to himself, to juvenile emoticons, to the rehashing of a long-time past argument that no one cares about. Are you asking me whether I "agree" autonomy as in "autonomous judiciary", "autonomous legislature", "autonomous central bank" etc is the same as independent? If you're trying to be clever by half, any half-bright high school student knows that context of usage. At least we're finally getting somewhere. Autonomous territories are not independent. All this self-dribbling to arrive at the same conclusion. All the qualifications about "complete autonomy" and "total independence" have no relevance to the simple correction I wanted to pass: in geopolitics, no one uses the words "autonomy" and "independence" interchangeably. No autonomous territory is termed as "independent" until it has unqualified sovereignty over all its affairs. And vice-versa: there is not a single independent republic, federation or whatever in the world called autonomous. In geopolitics, autonomous only refers to territories that are tethered to a separate sovereign entity.



Please, name me anywhere here I ever said Hong Kong was not always autonomous. Common sense should have indicated precisely what I meant: that they have fought to retain all the privileges of their autonomy from the mainland which China has attempted to renege on with interference in domestic Hong Kong politics. It had absolutely nothing to do with "seeking" an autonomy they already have. You're attempting to manufacture a fake point of difference for purposes of pedantry.



Does the argument start with your comment or with my comment? My comment you responded to mentioned several countries. You quibbled specifically with my claim about Hong Kong. But I wasn't here to argue about Hong Kong or China. I was here to argue that being "big" doesn't make all countries inclined to be bigger entities. Digressions since then have resulted in this endless loop over trifles about Hong Kong and autonomy. At this point, it is all about egos and doesn't advance any argument so I'm not going to waste any more comments on those minor issues.
Nigeria until last year and this year had been in TI's bottom 10 of the Corruption Index for over a decade. Which I said didn't give a shiit about because it is inconceivable that any country could be more corrupt than Nigeria. But since it matters to you to acknowledge that by that metric all the Somalias and South Sudans and Afghanistans of the world are more corrupt than Nigeria, you can have that as well if we can get back to all the ways Kenya are better than Nigeria and why this pointless thread is still going on as you guys are comprehensively eviscerated by the Kenyans, and even the Ghanaian blokes.



I haven't said we are more stupid or endorsed any such study. You asked a question, and I pointed to the probability of your musing being true, given the studies on the topic around.
Nothing is a fact about your India claim. A number of its far smaller neighbors are doing very badly, so you can't say for sure that India would be doing better if it were smaller and presenting it as immutable "fact".
Well to be fair, I was an 11-year-old child when Bush visited and was more interested in my comic books and XBox than his visit. I still know Obama disregarded a whole "giant" of Africa to visit Ghana. Dribble around all you want, that tells a lot about how much Nigeria is valued as a strategic partner of the US.

I really hate when foolish people like that fella drag smart people like you around with foolish digressions just to avoid conceding defeat. That fellow will never ever accept defeat. You are likely to grow old here with this one argument. He cant move on. Classic Obaboon. You would be shocked to realize he knows he erred very early on and all he's doing now is self-correction hoping he can somehow corner you somewhere ahead. He is doing this because he noticed you arent so blindly patriotic like he is. Kinda trying to tame things so that you dont go full blown. To the point of even manufacturing points apropos your assertion on the Hong Kong protests just to pin you down. You would think he would end the stupid argument once he arrogated himself the victory. Any smart person reading this debate knows you mentioned the facts on the ground while he is trying to misrepresent them to counter for his own gains. Down the line he will be calling you names, once you prove untamable.

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SUNSET GT at the Two Rivers Mall, Nairobi, Kenya.

This is a recent multi-marque car meet showcase. All car models for show, old, contemporary, futuresque.

Sunset GT, Two Rivers Mall

Nairobi Guitar Festival

Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA) has been ranked as the best airport in Africa and 38th globally in the recent worldwide rankings 2018 done by Airhelp.

For modern Kenyan cuisine,

Nyama Mama Restaurant (Meat Mama) located at Delta Towers, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya

The expected 100,000 new housing units will house approximately 650,000 residents, with the plan to renovate the existing homes currently on existing estates.

Other ageing estates targeted are Bahati, Mbotela, Ziwani, Makongeni, Kaloleni, Jericho and Shauri Moyo, which will be demolished and redeveloped to accommodate more home buyers.
Soon Kenya and issues to do with informal settlements will be in history

MotorSport Kenya

grandstar:


I am speaking without sentiments and your points are noted. Useless is a strong and disparaging word.

Also, it was rude the way she was treated because of her accent. I wasn't praising it.

She was really getting frustrated but with our help, she had a wonderful time here only she did not go out.

Cant get it. Where do Nigerians get the audacity to mock other people's accents? They have like the worst accent known to man. Though to be fair they compensate for that by making it noisy-chaotic and funny. Kenya has the least diluted accent in all of Africa and possibly the world because we know how to keep our mother tongues separate from other people's mother tongues when we speak.

kikuyu1:


Irrelevant! They're a world away from you. This is your real economy;

Again reading thro the comments of your guys explain why Nigeria is the butt of jokes globally. Zero Critical thinking.

We've looked at Nigeria budget - that include revenues - both at state and federal level - and the difference btw Nigeria and kenya came down to few billion dollars.Well I think you should I have quit at that point. You see the budget consist of revenue+ debt/deficit financing - and of course how realistic those projections are.

I did look at you internally generated revenue and I was shocked!

In 2017 - Nigeria Federal IFIS - collected about 4 trillion Naira with 1.4 trillion coming from petro-dollars - in total taxes it collected - is mere 12-13B dollars - with 1/3 of it's coming from oil.In 2017 - All the Nigeria states collected just slightly less than 1 trillion Naira - with Lagos collecting 1/3 of that - that is another 3B dollars - with Lagos collecting about 1B dollars.[/b]

In total - Nigeria's states and federal gov - collected taxes worth 15-16b dollars (depending on which exchange rate one uses).

In 2017- Kenya Revenue Authority - collected 14B dollars...and all counties combined collected (from levies & fees) around 1b dollars..

So in conclusion..Nigeria the giant of 200M people with supposedly 500B dollar economy grin grin manage to collect as many taxes ($15B) as kenya the dwarft of 50M people with 88B economy grin - and about 4.5B of that from oil.

So if you remove oil - nigeria total taxes is about $10B - against kenya's $15B grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin. The paper tiger can only raise about the same tax (minus oil) that Tanzania raise...whose GDP is 10 times lower than Nigeria - I mean over-cooked GDP.

Btw,naira to usd is 370. Read the whole thing twice and see Prof Falade was right! [b]If you can come up with reliable economic stats we can discuss.

Where is Obaboon to somersault on this one.

grandstar:


Agriculture does not account for 40% of GDP. Nigerian is a lower middle income country. Such a very high Agric ratio are for low income countries like CHAD

agriculture: 21.6%
industry: 18.3%
services: 60.1% (2017 est.)

You are focused on the productivity of the farmers in Brazil. They are commercial farmers who sell almost all they grow,

Here, the farmers are mostly subsistence. They eat a large portion of what the grow. They also sell large amounts of foods primary they are a large army of small scale farmers.

I have nothing wrong with Kenya being richer than Nigeria but its not true.

Kiberia is the biggest and sadly the biggest testament to the size of Kenya's wealth.

To have the largest slum in Africa when compared to the size of Nairobi tells a lot.

I can even glean further Kenya's wealth from the suits you wear. Kenya's are of lower standard than Nigeria's.

First of all, it doesnt make sense why you would go for Chad as an example of a low income country when we have one right in this thread by the name of Tanzania.
Secondly, your army of small scale farmers produces all that agricultural output using hoez to the extent of competing with nations that use revolutionary modern farming techniques Someone pointed that out. Maybe you use juju to match machines from Brazil and USA.
Thirdly, do you know S.A also has one of the largest slums in Africa? Do you still believe you are richer than SA like your fellow Nigerians?
Lastly, what do you mean by the suits we wear? Do you make suits or you import them? Is it that you visited Kenya and noticed everyone in a suit? Do you even wear suits? You are known for traditional Agbada so the last thing you should mention is suits.

TayserMahiri:
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That's a Mahindra Scorpio , previously somebody had said they r not available in Kenya