Nigeria has forex issues..that you know.It has black market for forex because you central bank and treasury doesnt have good handle on macro ecomics.Stop boasting about forex reserves when you cant float naira freely like we do kshs.You forex will go up and dow depending on oil market.Not Buhari.Not Jonathan

Obi1kenobi:


Because Nigerians hawk everything from water to puppies to dressing mirrors on the streets. If they could lift cars, they'd hawk it. Any vehicle traffic spot in Nigeria is a market.

TayserMahiri:




Naija oo

As ever rvp2018 was right comparing the DRC to Dangoteland! Air Zaire had an office somewhere on either Kaunda or Standard street in the mid 80s and tourists would regularly pay to fly to Kin not knowing it had ceased operations in the late 70s when Kenyatta Sr was still prez!
The manager would regularly take their money and duck since he wasn't getting paid by the Head Office-it was so scandalous I think the cops or Min of Tourism forced them to close the office.

rvp2018:
While kenya pursued africa socialism best exemplified by national motto harambee which mean lets pull together in cooperation ...Tz decided to go communism..all are equal in brotherhood and now they export beggars. KENYA COOPERATIVE MOVEMENT is africa best and is truly the first attempt to define africa socialism.

Not enough of us know this.

[b]The vibrant and dynamic cooperative movement in Kenya – the strongest in Africa – is a key player in the economy, controlling about 43 per cent of Kenya’s gross domestic product (GDP). [/b]The Cooperative Societies in Kenya employs more than 300,000 people, besides providing opportunities for self-employment to many more. Savings and credit societies (Saccos), the fastest growing sub-sector in the movement, have mobilised savings of more than Kshs 230 billion.

https://informationcradle.com/kenya/cooperatives-in-kenya/

That's 2015 so that savings figure it must be at least 30% higher.

With 3.6 million members, nine per cent of Kenyans belong to a Savings and Credit Cooperative Society (sacco).

Although the figure is low compared to countries such as Canada and Ireland, which stand at 44 per cent, the growth of saccos in Kenya is impressive.

Saccos provide an alternative avenue for people not served by formal banks.

https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/letters/Sacco-movement-growing-but-more-support-needed-/440806-4124870-gid4nm/index.html

Kenyatta Sr,is criticised with good reason but frankly the cooperative movement and the SACCOS they birthed more than make up for his shortcomings,imo.

TayserMahiri:


I dont really know what counts as settler to you. If I come to Tanzania and buy a firm (factory) its obvious that I will be having my sleeping quotas there. Those white folks and the Kenyans sleep there as they wish, unless you prove otherwise. They are settlers.

Still cant believe my lecture went to waste! Even with my Swahilified simplifications. A firm is not the same as a farm! A firm is a company while a farm is land. Seriously, and you guys wonder why we get mad with you.
Firm = Kampuni
Farm = Shamba

If you dont get that we should reschedule this lesson to next Friday before shisha time.


So the Kenyan bought a company (or FIRM), precisely three of them. Deducing from your land laws, he essentially owns the land hosting his companies for 99 good years until the lease expires, or until he sells the companies, whichever comes earlier.

Once again for the umpteenth time my lowkey genius, the Kenyan man bought factories, which are companies, therefore firms (not farms) and as a consequence of your laws, the farms!!! Get that.

who said a firm is a farm? Why cant u try something else? Can u teach a tanzanian swahili language? I repeat your guy bought a factory not a farmland.and according to our law a government can revoke the ownership anytime if the factories are unproductive.No kenyan can own a land in tanzania.Go buy a land in turkana.

gallivant:


Our brothers, they mistook Socialism for Communism! Its a whole different animal! Dullards! If they ever declare war(Tanzanians) we will send our teens and tweens to restore order in Dodoma and Dar...Blitzkrieg!!

He he he he he! A question remains: Did kenya won any war? Did kenya defeated bare footed Al shabaab? Can u fight TZ? The strength of the army is not in too much kibera talk but its in winning wars! Dont provoke a great United republic of Tanzania.That is suicide.

Obi1kenobi:


Perhaps if you didn't come back with a long-winded response I might have taken time to point out your moments of raging convulsion and insults. Seeing as I wish to economize my time here, I wouldn't waste time on the glaring obvious. At least, the day off has cooled you a bit.

You are still very pissed off as shown here.You said one thing and when told to show proof, you start foaming in the mouth.. Very typical of you. You need to take yourself less serious.Anyway, you asked for an education, hence the long post. I didn't even see your post until much later.This debate is obviously not as important to me as it is to you.So, unlike you,I take day offs.

The emboldened is nonsense and is no substantiation for what you claimed is a "fact". Population can be an asset or liability depending on certain metrics and demographics of that population (working age ratio, education and skills etc). India could very well be better of if it was less populated: infact more likely so. That is not what is under dispute. There are many other factors though determining development, which is why similar but far less populated countries around India like Nepal and Bangladesh and Pakistan and Afghanistan and Myanmar are more impoverished than India is. Russia is far more developed than the far smaller ex-Soviet territories (except the Baltic states). Merely being smaller doesn't magically give you the keys to prosperity. You cannot claim that it is a "fact" that India would be richer if it were less populated. It isn't. It's not empirically demonstrable in any way.

Keep dribbling around. India is an industrial giant as everyone knows.But clearly it has many weights bogging it down. One of which is the above optimal limit population. It might interest you to know that about 60% of India's working age population is unproductive. That clearly should show anyone with an open mind that if India wasn't so populous, it would be far richer than it is.India is Democratic and has for decades embraced modern western ways unlike Pakistan. Hence the silliness of your comparison. The fact is the fact.Deal with it.

You seem confused by what is under dispute. Telling me China and Saudi Arabia are strategically important to the US, while that is precisely my point. While Nigeria isn't. But you had to add to that with embellishments about how China could wreck the US with a "wave of the finger".
China cannot do what you claim without getting hurt even worse than the US. It is not even on the table at all in any economic confrontation with the US. If you educated yourself on my links, you'd know why it's a non-starter. Those fearful of the effects of Trump's trade war with China are mostly scared of the effects on tariffed American goods - not China dumping American treasury bills.
Saudi Arabia are America's biggest allies after Israel in the Middle East. Again, are you actually telling me this? What the fucck did you think I was talking about before? They cannot be ignored by America on any grounds because they are indispensable strategic partners who control the Arab gulf. Most of the 9/11 terrorists including Osama Bin Laden were from there and Saudi princes and wealthy clerics are the biggest sponsors of Salafist terror groups in the world, but the US decided to invade Iraq for no reason at all while coddling the head-chopping Saudi regime. Despite how much of a liability Saudi Arabia are (even currently massacring civilians in Yemen and getting into diplomatic spats with American allies like Qatar and even Canada), America coddles, pampers and indulges them because they are indispensable to American interests. It's not just America either: the British and several Western powers have close ties with the head-chopping Saudi regime. Because they are indispensable power brokers in the Arab gulf.

Your African "giant" occupies no such pedestal in Africa. It's just one of a wide pool of African countries than a Western leader can visit. A destination rather than the destination. Dem's the facts, ma boy. Deal with it.

This energetic diatribe of yours does not change the fact that you have been comparing oranges with apples. . Nobody is arguing with you that the Gulf is more important to the USA than Africa. So comparing Saudi with Nigeria is a show of desperation. Why not compare Nigeria with another Sub Saharan African country?On China,you keep buttressing my point that China is too important to America to be ignored. So,what's your argument?Africa on a whole is not very important to America. Who do we blame for that?

Obama didn't visit because of corruption? Really? Yet he visited The Philippines. And Laos. And Myanmar. And El Salvador. And Vietnam. Nigga even visited Ethiopia and Tanzania right here in Africa (including Kenya, that is all the most relevant nations in East Africa). Insulted us further by visiting little Ghana and Senegal right before our korokoro eyes in West Africa and ignoring us, the giant. You would think our battle against terrorism should make him even more motivated to express solidarity with us: afterall, he visited the West Bank, even ignoring his numerous Afghanistan visits which you might argue he was obligated to seeing as the US are the backers of the Afghan government and still waging a campaign against the Taliban there. And isn't his snobbery due to the reasons you list further proof of how gross incompetence has seen us not even taken seriously? Isn't that the point? What are you arguing about again?

What's he saying? So because Obama failed to visit Nigeria makes Nigeria less important than the places he visited? I guess that means George Bush visiting Uganda and sidelining Kenya means Kenya is less important .Again, in your desperation you are bringing in Afghanistan.That's foolish.America has troops in Afghanistan and it was on that soil America battled Russian incursion into middle east.The same afghanistan from where 9/11 was launched.Na wah for you o.This your straw grasping is terrible. El Salvador instability will only send more drug dealers into America, hence America's interest. Again, Africa on a whole does not command such interest. Not only Nigeria.

What does Jimmy Carter's visit 40 years ago have to do with the present? Nigeria started off well enough after independence and then sank like a stone after decades of corruption-driven decay. We're talking of Nigeria's geopolitical relevance now and you're talking about Jimmy Carter?

It seems spending too much time on nairaland has messed up your eyesight. Either that or you have a problem with comprehension. You brought up the issue of presidential visits and said American presidents don't visit Nigeria because it's not important. I only tried to cure your ignorance by letting you know that Nigeria opened the door for other black African countries concerning such matters. That's why I brought up Jimmy Carter since you obviously didn't know he came.How could you know that when you didn't even know a certain American president visited as recently as 2003and had to display your ignorance openly to buttress a point.
Besides, I don't know why validation by foreign leaders means so much to you.Colonial mentality or probably white worship. SMH.

Kazikazi:
He he he he he! A question remains: Did kenya won any war? Did kenya defeated bare footed Al shabaab? Can u fight TZ? The strength of the army is not in too much kibera talk but its in winning wars! Dont provoke a great United republic of Tanzania.That is suicide.

They fought the maumau war.

Kazikazi:
Your guy sucks! Can he put his toe on a red carpet? Kwi kwi kwi kwi kwi

Why is your thinking so shallow? How do you survive with such a brain man?!

Kazikazi:
He he he he he! A question remains: Did kenya won any war? Did kenya defeated bare footed Al shabaab? Can u fight TZ? The strength of the army is not in too much kibera talk but its in winning wars! Dont provoke a great United republic of Tanzania.That is suicide.

By putting our NYS pics and your army you mean they're equal, FYI our NYS has a bigger budget than your military and Kenya army has a bigger budget than Tanzania, Uganda and Rwanda's combined budget,..Kenya has archived what even the US failed to do in Somalia...you're still stuck in the past old ages stories about Amin Dadaa, at this time you can't face Ug's UDF....Your military is poorly equipt and paid

Check Global Firepower, an agency that assesses the military strength of nations, ranks Kenya as the most powerful nation in East Africa based on its manpower, range of weaponry, logistical flexibility and budgets.

Kenya has 24,150 military personnel, slightly more than half of Uganda’s 45,000 while Tanzania commands 30,000 servicemen.
Despite having a larger pool of personnel, Uganda ranks behind Kenya in military strength at position 16 in Africa while Tanzania comes in 17th(Ethiopia 185,000 servicemen) Yet, despite the huge numbers of our neighbours’ defense forces personnel, you would have to combine their total defense budgets to reach KDF’s annual defense budget. Ethiopia for instance is about a third Kenya’s. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/amp/article/2001283903/kenya-military-budget-shoots-past-sh100-billion

It’s a no brainer that with such a large army but with so little money, most of the resources will be directed towards personnel and not weapons. In the region, KDF therefore has the most advanced weapons.http://nairobiwire.com/2016/09/in-the-whole-of-africa-only-kdf-uses-this-gun-it-costs-more-than-a-small-car.html

Kenya has an arms stockpile of 76 battle tanks, 591 armoured fighting vehicles, 30 self-propelled guns, 25 towed artillery, 131 aircraft, 17 fighter jets, and 61 helicopters, according to Global Firepower, It's also the only African country that uses the FN SCAR-L guns

Kazikazi:
He he he he he! A question remains: Did kenya won any war? Did kenya defeated bare footed Al shabaab? Can u fight TZ? The strength of the army is not in too much kibera talk but its in winning wars! Dont provoke a great United republic of Tanzania.That is suicide.

just to let you know alshabab headquarters is under kenya d f.we control the port something other nations failed.you can keep talking of idi amin that was three decades ago but u cant talk of museveni.the last time you went peacekeeping in congo,your soldiers got killed by 12years old child soldiers.thats where you are bongolalas.no one cares about tz.

Iamleefact:

Why is your thinking so shallow? How do you survive with such a brain man?!

That's why I chose to ignore it

Kur17:

By putting our NYS pics and your army you mean they're equal, FYI our NYS has a bigger budget than your military and Kenya army has a bigger budget than Tanzania, Uganda and Rwanda's combined budget,..Kenya has archived what even the US failed to do in Somalia...you're still stuck in the past old ages stories about Amin Dadaa, at this time you can't face Ug's UDF....Your military is poorly equipt and paid

Check Global Firepower, an agency that assesses the military strength of nations, ranks Kenya as the most powerful nation in East Africa based on its manpower, range of weaponry, logistical flexibility and budgets.

Kenya has 24,150 military personnel, slightly more than half of Uganda’s 45,000 while Tanzania commands 30,000 servicemen.
Despite having a larger pool of personnel, Uganda ranks behind Kenya in military strength at position 16 in Africa while Tanzania comes in 17th(Ethiopia 185,000 servicemen) Yet, despite the huge numbers of our neighbours’ defense forces personnel, you would have to combine their total defense budgets to reach KDF’s annual defense budget. Ethiopia for instance is about a third Kenya’s. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/amp/article/2001283903/kenya-military-budget-shoots-past-sh100-billion

It’s a no brainer that with such a large army but with so little money, most of the resources will be directed towards personnel and not weapons. In the region, KDF therefore has the most advanced weapons.http://nairobiwire.com/2016/09/in-the-whole-of-africa-only-kdf-uses-this-gun-it-costs-more-than-a-small-car.html

Kenya has an arms stockpile of 76 battle tanks, 591 armoured fighting vehicles, 30 self-propelled guns, 25 towed artillery, 131 aircraft, 17 fighter jets, and 61 helicopters, according to Global Firepower, It's also the only African country that uses the FN SCAR-L guns

Not bad.Not bad at all.If with all this, alshabab is still killing people in Kenya then that must be one stubborn terrorist group.

Kazikazi:
who said a firm is a farm? Why cant u try something else? Can u teach a tanzanian swahili language? I repeat your guy bought a factory not a farmland.and according to our law a government can revoke the ownership anytime if the factories are unproductive.No kenyan can own a land in tanzania.Go buy a land in turkana.

Yes a lot of Kenyans esp at the coast can teach you Swahili. Not necessarily me though am quite competent by any standards.

DL Langat bought firms! He bought factories and related features including Tea Marketing, distribution, tea farms (if any) and whatever else you have there in the tea production lines. He bought companies! Dont reduce it to mere factories. Read the article again.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001273543/kenyan-tycoon-buys-tanzania-tea-firms-for-sh6b

Your govt can revoke the LAND but not the companies. The land here is the one on which stands the companies. So you see the Kenyan investor essentially has dominion over the land so long as he satisfies the fat cats in Dodoma White House that he is doing the right thing with the land.

Unless you have a different formula, many such Tea Firms are on leasehold land, which is more often than not 99 yrs. Its the same in Kenya though the govt refused to renew 99 yr leaseholds to British settlers many of whom have had to hand land back to the GOK in recent times. For the 99 yrs, the Kenyan investor essentially owns that Tanzanian land. Even a Tanzanian like you cant do shiet about that land. Either that or you quit singing white settlers own land in Kenya yet virtually all of them are here on leasehold tenure, the same way as the Kenyan investors in Tz. Kenyans dont need to own land in Tanzania with this formula, they just need to establish investments and they consequentially own the land.

Leave Turkana, the cradle of mankind out of this.

TayserMahiri:


Yes a lot of Kenyans esp at the coast can teach you Swahili. Not necessarily me though am quite competent by any standards.

DL Langat bought firms! He bought factories and related features including Tea Marketing, distribution, tea farms (if any) and whatever else you have there in the tea production lines. He bought companies! Dont reduce it to mere factories. Read the article again.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001273543/kenyan-tycoon-buys-tanzania-tea-firms-for-sh6b

Your govt can revoke the LAND but not the companies. The land here is the one on which stands the companies. So you see the Kenyan investor essentially has dominion over the land so long as he satisfies the fat cats in Dodoma White House that he is doing the right thing with the land.

Unless you have a different formula, many such Tea Firms are on leasehold land, which is more often than not 99 yrs. Its the same in Kenya though the govt refused to renew 99 yr leaseholds to British settlers many of whom have had to hand land back to the GOK in recent times. For the 99 yrs, the Kenyan investor essentially owns that Tanzanian land. Even a Tanzanian like you cant do shiet about that land. Either that or you quit singing white settlers own land in Kenya yet virtually all of them are here on leasehold tenure, the same way as the Kenyan investors in Tz. Kenyans dont need to own land in Tanzania with this formula, they just need to establish investments and they consequentially own the land.

Leave Turkana, the cradle of mankind out of this.

pwa ha ha ha.So a factory is a land? So our land act it should be called a factory act? I repeat no kenyan owns a land in Tz.u can buy factories but not a land.go buy land in turkana and wajir.why are u kenyans after us?

Kazikazi:
He he he he he! A question remains: Did kenya won any war? Did kenya defeated bare footed Al shabaab? Can u fight TZ? The strength of the army is not in too much kibera talk but its in winning wars! Dont provoke a great United republic of Tanzania.That is suicide.

Again do you see the bongolala here

TayserMahiri:




Naija oo

The moment you realize everything in naija is possible

TayserMahiri:


Am not impressed how you deleted the link. The devil of the details is hidden there. Anyway, around here we dont even know who your land belongs to. There is too much sexed up details about land ownership we just assume it belongs to sirikali tukufu.

Apparently, according to your Land Act

1. All land in Tanzania belongs to the state.
2. Non Bongos cant own this land.
3. However, they can lease for up to 99 yrs, which is basically eternity on the scale of all living things in Tanzania .

So basically I'm right, or just about.

The link, did you notice how the black kenyan billionaire saved you from white British claws? He bought 3 tea firms worth 6 Billion Kenya Shillings from white british folks. Yet you told us you dont have white settlers. Were you referring to this Kenyan emancipation of Tanzania? We are doing a GREAT JOB! How many more firms are under white settlers there? We can make sure you no longer have white folks as you wish. Unfortunately, you folks are mostly light skinned (barring Magufuli) so we might extend this to everyone in Tanzania by pretending yall are whites and buy all of your firms. Pretty sure you'll support us, as always.

Kur17:

By putting our NYS pics and your army you mean they're equal, FYI our NYS has a bigger budget than your military and Kenya army has a bigger budget than Tanzania, Uganda and Rwanda's combined budget,..Kenya has archived what even the US failed to do in Somalia...you're still stuck in the past old ages stories about Amin Dadaa, at this time you can't face Ug's UDF....Your military is poorly equipt and paid

Check Global Firepower, an agency that assesses the military strength of nations, ranks Kenya as the most powerful nation in East Africa based on its manpower, range of weaponry, logistical flexibility and budgets.

Kenya has 24,150 military personnel, slightly more than half of Uganda’s 45,000 while Tanzania commands 30,000 servicemen.
Despite having a larger pool of personnel, Uganda ranks behind Kenya in military strength at position 16 in Africa while Tanzania comes in 17th(Ethiopia 185,000 servicemen) Yet, despite the huge numbers of our neighbours’ defense forces personnel, you would have to combine their total defense budgets to reach KDF’s annual defense budget. Ethiopia for instance is about a third Kenya’s. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/amp/article/2001283903/kenya-military-budget-shoots-past-sh100-billion

It’s a no brainer that with such a large army but with so little money, most of the resources will be directed towards personnel and not weapons. In the region, KDF therefore has the most advanced weapons.http://nairobiwire.com/2016/09/in-the-whole-of-africa-only-kdf-uses-this-gun-it-costs-more-than-a-small-car.html

Kenya has an arms stockpile of 76 battle tanks, 591 armoured fighting vehicles, 30 self-propelled guns, 25 towed artillery, 131 aircraft, 17 fighter jets, and 61 helicopters, according to Global Firepower, It's also the only African country that uses the FN SCAR-L guns

Your global firepower is a fallacy.can u tell me the author of ur firepower ranking?Dont believe everything u read on internet.verify it.Did kenya won any war? Is ur army capable of making any weapon? Were did u bought the yellow boots? Tanzanian army defeated uganda.we makes our weapons.reach our levels you kiberans!

Kazikazi:
Your global firepower is a fallacy.can u tell me the author of ur firepower ranking?Dont believe everything u read on internet.verify it.Did kenya won any war? Is ur army capable of making any weapon? Were did u bought the yellow boots? Tanzanian army defeated uganda.we makes our weapons.reach our levels you kiberans!

That lorry looks like sh**t

@kazikazi..i thought bongolala was one of the peaceful ones in africa

Kazikazi:
Your global firepower is a fallacy.can u tell me the author of ur firepower ranking?Dont believe everything u read on internet.verify it.Did kenya won any war? Is ur army capable of making any weapon? Were did u bought the yellow boots? Tanzanian army defeated uganda.we makes our weapons.reach our levels you kiberans!

Which war have we lost? Continue shaming your army with those weak lorries that Kenyans only use them for garbage collection,... Currently Uganda is way ahead of TZ in military power,. allot have changed including by then your economy was larger than Kenyas, so stop those old history not to forget Idi Amin claimed that he'll take over almost half of Kenya, research how it ended...he couldn't dare

obaaderemi:
They fought the maumau war.

You fought Biafra, and lost stupid. You are a dysfunctional people. Shut up and go find the chibok girls.

Kazikazi:
He he he he he! A question remains: Did kenya won any war? Did kenya defeated bare footed Al shabaab? Can u fight TZ? The strength of the army is not in too much kibera talk but its in winning wars! Dont provoke a great United republic of Tanzania.That is suicide.

I told you, we will send high school kids to kick your arse if you ever cross the line. It will be swift and fast. Your lazy army will fall in less than day.

mtis:

That lorry looks like sh**t

you cant make army boots! Dont try to mention a lorry..that is too much for u.start making army boots first.

rvp2018:
Nigeria has forex issues..that you know.It has black market for forex because you central bank and treasury doesnt have good handle on macro ecomics.Stop boasting about forex reserves when you cant float naira freely like we do kshs.You forex will go up and dow depending on oil market.Not Buhari.Not Jonathan

Obi1kenobi,rvp2018 is asking serious questions I'm also wondering about though the issue has been diverted. It all boils down to your REAL GDP which we've shown is 180 BN $ ABSOLUTE MAX 200 BN. Show us otherwise LOGICALLY and I promise to change my mind.

Kur17:


Which war have we lost? Continue shaming your army with those weak lorries that Kenyans only use them for garbage collection,... Currently Uganda is way ahead of TZ in military power,. allot have changed including by then your economy was larger than Kenyas, so stop those old history not to forget Idi Amin claimed that he'll take over almost half of Kenya, research how it ended...he couldn't dare

Your army is weak.its too weak to protect your citizen.kenyan army never won a war.u cant make weapons.Al shabaab are still killing ur soldiers.

Tanzanian military budget is what we allocate the Kenya scouts. School kids. Tanzanian military is a joke!

Cjrane2:
Truth be said, i am just impressed with Kenya!

I may argue otherwise because i'm Nigerian. But, Kenya may indeed surpass Nigeria is a few years to come.

You are a starving kenyan

gallivant:


You fought Biafra, and lost stupid. You are a dysfunctional people. Shut up and go find the chibok girls.

Shut your fvcking mouth up you stupid Cum Go and defeat Al shabaab befor they delete you maasais from the map.

Kazikazi:
You are a starving kenyan

Don't mind him. That fool is a Nigerian.