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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JoebieII: 12:20am On Sep 02, 2018
Saviour Godwin scored in the Belgian 2nd tier today.
This guy has been forgotten for obvious reasons grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:39am On Sep 02, 2018
Instead of focusing on harnessing the best out of the available options we are gradually laying hands upon based on what they all bring to the table specific to the progress and positive evolution of our young Super Eagles team, some folks are still crying foul over Kelechi Nwakali's call up most especially when it is clear to all WHY he was called up!!!
What is the matter with some humans sef? Can't they just focus on the main things for once? Can't you try view the Big/Bigger picture?
This was how Tbaba1234 and some others went on and on pre-Russia telling us how "unready" Uzoho was especially after dropping those clips of Uzoho in the Third tier. Oh yes, Tbaba did say he had good potentials but he always (as with others) hammered that Uzoho was not ready and may be our undoing in Russia.
It was only the likes of me, Realpoacher (where is he sef?) and a few others who stood our ground acknowledging we may have a challenge in goal but we believe and know Uzoho will be ready. We also pointed out that Rohr obviously sees something special in the lad to stick with him. Things no one here can see or spot in details from the comfort of hiding behind our computers, laptops, smartphones.

Listen folks, many of you here have been proven wrong before as regards Rohr taking similar steps with K.Nwakali as he did with Uzoho prior to the WC. So let Rohr be. If Rohr sees nothing in him for the good of the team, then he will be discarded....

... But if this boy goes on to establish himself as a Viable option in the Super Eagles team ehn... And prove a relevant addition to the side, I wonder what new tune you cry-babies will sing. Just pathetic.





I may be young but I have seen life from a lot of angles and I do understand that sometimes in life, protocols will and can be broken to accommodate a special case scenario. I am for the most deserving getting their chances and all (Kalu belongs to this category of most deserving too and he got his call...Onyekuru too have earned a recall becos he deserves it) but I also know that sometimes in life situations, protocols are broken for a special talent or special case scenario. In my high school days I also experienced this which at the end of the day was a master stroke decision.

Kelechi Nwakali is A SPECIAL TALENT and there is obviously a quality or rather qualities Rohr saw in the lad to lend him an invite. So it is up to K.Nwakali to seize the moment and opportunity to show that he can make us better. This is about the team's growth and not about Nwakali and I strongly believe that if Rohr is proven right, then it is our Super Eagles that will benefit and the fans rejoice.

Focus on the main things and THE BIGGER PICTURE and stop the pathetic cries abeg. It is becoming nauseating.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:45am On Sep 02, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Lol... it is better. Take it or leave it. Chikena. I am sure you were not paying attention to the talents on display. K.Nwakali had a very decent game. That is all that matters so your campaign against the lad is noted aiit. Thank you. The overall standard and quality on display in the second tiers of the Big 7 trumps Scotland, Norway, Latvia and even Albania. You cannot bring us one game and use it to rubbish the good standard of the Ledman Liga Pro. smiley

Finally, you certainly do not and cannot know more than Gernot Rohr who wants to have a look at the lad especially in a role where we are in need of fresh options.


Campaign against the lad

This is where you miss the point. There is nothing i want more than to see Nwakali progress and reach his potential. But we need to stop over hyping these guys. The boy at this point in time is underachieving.

Look at Musa Yahaya wallowing in the B team for how many years now.

I will like to see Kelechi make a point in the B side and move on to either

See the way you put Scotland, Norway, Latvia and Albania as if they are the same standard.

Scotland first division is definitely better by miles. And i do not rate the scottish league.

Time is not Kelechi's friend. Look at the careers of Musa Yahaya, Musa muhammad, Chidi Nwakali to see how promising talents fade.

I have no problem with Rohr's invite. That is a secondary issue. Infact, i hope he does well and gets out of the level, he is playing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:45am On Sep 02, 2018
This new lad, Collins talks tough and sounds confident. I think I like that.... wink


Nigeria hopeful Jamilu Collins has no time for haters
By Colin Udoh, Football Editor, KweséESPN - From 3 days ago..


If there is one thing that has remained consistent among Nigerian football fans, it is a determination to tear into the seeming demerits of any newly-released Super Eagles squad.

This week (this past week), after coach Gernot Rohr released his squad for next month's Africa Cup of Nations qualifier against Seychelles, the complaining centered around the call up of two second division players, Jamilu Collins and Semi Ajayi.

One of those two players is not taking the criticism lightly. Collins, who plays in Germany's Bundesliga 2 for SC Paderborn, bristles with indignation at any suggestion that the division he plays in should be a hindrance to his international prospects.

"Because I play the second Bundesliga does not mean I am not capable. The second Bundesliga is one of the toughest leagues in the world," the defender tells KweséESPN.
"It is rated the same as Portugal first division, as the Turkish first division, as the Croatia, Serbia, Russia, Netherlands first division.
"It is called second but it is just second in name only. The game and the quality inside is great. If it is cheap, I don't think the coach can call me.
"When the qualifier comes and if I get my chance, we will see if it is second division football that I play."
Them's fightin' words from a player who doesn't even have his foot in the door yet. But Jamilu is used to confronting, and overcoming, adversity.
Born in Kaduna, the city known as a veritable conveyor belt of football talent in Nigeria where only the best make the breakthrough, the now-24-year-old excelled enough to find himself at the Football Academy Abuja as a teen.
Signed up by Croatian side Rijeka in 2014, the defender found minutes hard to come by and was sent out on loan every season for the next four years. In each of those seasons, he made appearances in double figures, but still ended up unable to break into the Rijeka side.
As if that was not bad enough, he suffered two serious injuries during those periods, not only further compromising his chances of first team football with his parent club, but costing him a move to a different club.
"I went on loan because I asked for it because I needed to play. I did not want to be seen as a young player who did not play. I was the youngest on the team so I wanted to get playing time and then come back to my club," he says.
"But I got injured for most of the season when I was playing on loan in Slovenia and when I returned to Rijeka, I got injured again. It was a difficult time for me but even with the injuries, I never doubted myself. I always believed that I would come back stronger."

Come back stronger he did, but not before another setback, when he was released by Rijeka after his recovery. He quickly joined the then-third division Paderborn and has not looked back since, amassing 19 league appearances as the club finished second last season to secure promotion to Bundesliga 2.

It was those performances that caught the eye of the Nigeria manager, with Rohr telling KweséESPN: "He is a young player I saw in Paderborn and he is a very interesting player for us in that position."

What's interesting is the German's decision to call up another left-sided fullback when he has Bryan Idowu, Elderson Echiejile, and Ola Aina at his disposal. This suggests that he is either in need of extra depth in that position, or is simply not convinced by the personnel available.

Echiejile's lack of club minutes so far this season, and his advancing age (he is 30 this year) means he may have drifted out of Rohr's youth-focused considerations. Idowu is currently first choice, and Aina has shown enough to present a strong back up option.
But there are many who remain unconvinced by Idowu's World Cup showing and have not seen enough of Aina as yet. All of which mean that Collins will have a winnable battle on his hands to dislodge either of the two.

He takes this in stride, adding: "It has always been a tough time for me. I have faced a lot of difficulties. But you have to stand up and keep pushing. This is just another challenge in front of me, and I will continue to give my best.
"It has always been my dream to play in the national team because it is the biggest fulfilment of my career. Those who are doubting me, we will see when we meet."


Source: KweseESPN

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:55am On Sep 02, 2018
Miss what point exactly? That you carry on hitting on the lad having done nothing yet Spain's Marca and Goal International thinks he has just enough in him to become more and have actually shown something no matter how little at this stage of his development.

I want these lads to excel so much too but downplaying the little positives they do is not the way to go about it. It is sour and petty.

Overhyping? You know, that is actually the most abused word on this thread. Who is overhyping who? K.Nwakali? Have any here said he is the next Zidane or Okocha? So what hypes do you even speak of? Is it a lie to say the lad got huge potentials and that Marca also picked him out? Is that overhyping? Funny.

And MUSA Yahaya IS NOT Kelechi Nwakali. He is not the same. Neither is Kelechi, Chidera Ezeh. So give the lad a break!!!

You wanna see him make his marks for Porto B? Then stop your "he has done nothing" campaign and observe the lad this season in Porto B. Is that so hard for you? The lad had another game hours ago and you saw it but I don't trust your assessment of the lad because you have been singing "he has done nothing" for days now... Very very biased view. Me I know he was pretty decent in there last game played which was their first win this season.

And Scotland is not Portugal Ledman Liga Pro's mate... It is below biko. It is not even up to par with Bundesliga 2. I have seen enough games across the top 7 2nd tiers to back up my statements and also use the UEFA league Coefficients. It is obvious.

Time is not anyone's friend Tbaba.... Look at Drogba too at 21 and tell me he stood a chance back then yet he went on to greatness. For every failed youngster, there is also another successful one. Stop pressing the panic button prematurely abeg and let the lad grow. He is at Porto B, his progress curve have been steady and is not spiralling downwards... Dutch 2nd tier to Portugal 2nd tier is still steady progress. He still busted the net of La Liga's best goalie with a worldie and held his own against Partey in a thorough midfiled battle.... The talent(s) in that kid is enormous and Rohr have taken note and he is getting games in Portugal. Let him have his run... Let him mature ...the season is still early for crying out loud. Just Let the lad be and watch!!!


tbaba1234:


Campaign against the lad

This is where you miss the point. There is nothing i want more than to see Nwakali progress and reach his potential. But we need to stop over hyping these guys. The boy at this point in time is underachieving.

Look at Musa Yahaya wallowing in the B team for how many years now.

I will like to see Kelechi make a point in the B side and move on to either

See the way you put Scotland, Norway, Latvia and Albania as if they are the same standard.

Scotland first division is definitely better by miles. And i do not rate the scottish league.

Time is not Kelechi's friend. Look at the careers of Musa Yahaya, Musa muhammad, Chidi Nwakali to see how promising talents fade.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:20am On Sep 02, 2018
Henry Onyekuru is Nigeria's Champions League torchbearer
By Colin Udoh, Football Editor, KweséESPN - From 2 days ago.


Daniel Amokachi, playing for Club Brugges, scored the first goal of the revamped UEFA Champions League 26 years ago, and in Amokachi's Nigeria the tournament continues to enthral and beguile.
With just three weeks to go until the competition returns, an array of Super Eagles players will line up in an attempt to make just the sort of mark, or even better, that Amokachi and other Nigerians have made in years past.
But they'll have a tough time of it. Eight Nigerians are on the books of seven clubs who will be involved in the European showpiece tournament, but none of the clubs are considered real contenders, though Benfica and FC Porto are former champions.

With Henry Onyekuru's Galatasaray in the same Group as Bryan Idowu's Lokomotiv Moscow and the Porto of Chidozie Awaziem and Kelechi Nwakali, at least one club with a Nigerian is guaranteed a place in the knockout phase.
Onyekuru is the standout who will be expected to feature prominently for his club in the competition. On current and previous form, with two goals in his last two games, he should be one to catch the eye, especially against mid-level opposition.

Awaziem is yet to come off the bench so far for FC Porto, and if he is to make any appearance for them in the Champions League, it will hard to see it as anything beyond nominal.

It is a similar situation for Idowu at Lokomotiv. The World Cup left back has been stuck riding pine in all five games for which he was listed by Lokomotiv... Not a good sign for his Champions League prospects.

It is slightly more testing for Kayode Olanrewaju's Shakhtar Donetsk, who face a daunting challenge in Group F with Manchester City, Lyon and Hoffenheim.

Incidentally, Olanrewaju joined Shakhtar from City without ever kicking a ball in anger for the English champions. Olanrewaju has also not featured as yet for Shaktar since making his loan move permanent, but should expect to do so soon.
Ubong Ekpai has underwhelmed so far at Viktoria Plzen, and it is unlikely he will be seeing major minutes against the likes of Real Madrid, Roma and CSKA Moscow.

Monaco are unlikely to have Elderson Echiejile in their squad at any time, while Tyronne Ebuehi is out with a long term injury. By the time he returns, it would be way too late to get him on the Befinca squad.

And while Kelechi Nwakali is a hot prospect, he will need to set Porto's B side on fire to make the jump, not just to the A squad but to the Champions League.


Source: KweseESPN

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 2:21am On Sep 02, 2018
I'm happy for Nwakaeme but watching his goals, I'm not convinced he would have scored against slightly better defenders

I'm still not sold on the dude

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:29am On Sep 02, 2018
Alisson fails to heed Shearer and Wright’s warning

Perhaps Kelechi Iheanacho was watching and taking notes when Alan Shearer and Ian Wright warned Liverpool goalkeeper Alisson Becker that the trick he pulled off against Brighton & Hove Albion last weekend was dangerous if repeated.

Alisson clipped the ball brilliantly past Brighton’s Anthony Knockaert last Saturday, but when he tried a Cruyff turn this weekend he got caught in possession by Leicester City’s Iheanacho, who crossed for Rachid Ghezzal to score at King Power Stadium.

Shearer and Wright had said that Premier League strikers would not let themselves get tricked again by the Brazilian.


Alan Shearer @alanshearer: We did say!

Ian Wright @IanWright0: @alanshearer what did we say about him shocks 1:50 PM - Sep 1, 2018

“I am angry that I made a mistake that put the team in a difficult situation,” Alisson told ESPN Brasil.

“When one person makes a mistake, it affects everyone and everyone fought back together. We have to improve still but the result is what matters at the moment."


Source: Premierleague.com https://www.premierleague.com/news/841577

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SlayerForever: 3:41am On Sep 02, 2018
tbaba1234:
This is Porto B game today at home. Very low standard.

This is the level Uzoho was play in the 3rd division of Spain.

We are supposed to believe that this league is better than Scotland and Norway??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvUUCHd9Z2A

Saw the match. Expectedly low level. It felt like seeing a youth friendly. Good for development,never for a top player.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SlayerForever: 3:52am On Sep 02, 2018
As I read the bolded and remembered the argument this morning,I laugheeed.


"It [German 2nd Bundesliga] is rated the same as Portugal first division, as the Turkish first division, as the Croatia, Serbia, Russia, Netherlands first division.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:53am On Sep 02, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Miss what point exactly? That you carry on hitting on the lad having done nothing yet Spain's Marca and Goal International thinks he has just enough in him to become more and have actually shown something no matter how little at this stage of his development.

I want these lads to excel so much too but downplaying the little positives they do is not the way to go about it. It is sour and petty.

Overhyping? You know, that is actually the most abused word on this thread. Who is overhyping who? K.Nwakali? Have any here said he is the next Zidane or Okocha? So what hypes do you even speak of? Is it a lie to say the lad got huge potentials and that Marca also picked him out? Is that overhyping? Funny.

And MUSA Yahaya IS NOT Kelechi Nwakali. He is not the same. Neither is Kelechi, Chidera Ezeh. So give the lad a break!!!

You wanna see him make his marks for Porto B? Then stop your "he has done nothing" campaign and observe the lad this season in Porto B. Is that so hard for you? The lad had another game hours ago and you saw it but I don't trust your assessment of the lad because you have been singing "he has done nothing" for days now... Very very biased view. Me I know he was pretty decent in there last game played which was their first win this season.

And Scotland is not Portugal Ledman Liga Pro's mate... It is below biko. It is not even up to par with Bundesliga 2. I have seen enough games across the top 7 2nd tiers to back up my statements and also use the UEFA league Coefficients. It is obvious.

Time is not anyone's friend Tbaba.... Look at Drogba too at 21 and tell me he stood a chance back then yet he went on to greatness. For every failed youngster, there is also another successful one. Stop pressing the panic button prematurely abeg and let the lad grow. He is at Porto B, his progress curve have been steady and is not spiralling downwards... Dutch 2nd tier to Portugal 2nd tier is still steady progress. He still busted the net of La Liga's best goalie with a worldie and held his own against Partey in a thorough midfiled battle.... The talent(s) in that kid is enormous and Rohr have taken note and he is getting games in Portugal. Let him have his run... Let him mature ...the season is still early for crying out loud. Just Let the lad be and watch!!!




The bolded is where the overhyping comes.. Yes, he scored a great goal against Athletico.. so what?? Usman Muhammad dribbled the whole defense... So what?? The bigger picture is where their careers are not goals in a friendly match.

Where we differ is that you think his career trajectory so far is fine.I disagree. I do not rate the portuguese second tier as much as you do and i have watched several games over the years. No way, is it better than the Scottish league.

Kelechi has quality but it takes more than that to reach the heights. We have seen many quality youth players disappear. This is the right time for the alarm bells. The boy needs to challenge himself and i hope, he starts raising his level from next season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:56am On Sep 02, 2018
SlayerForever:


Saw the match. Expectedly low level. It felt like seeing a youth friendly. Good for development,never for a top player.

Like i said before, the Portuguese second tier is like an under 23 league. Good for youth development but i feel Nwakali should already be playing at a higher level.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SlayerForever: 3:59am On Sep 02, 2018
tbaba1234:


Like i said before, the Portuguese second tier is like an under 23 league. Good for youth development but i feel Nwakali should already be playing at a higher level.


My sentiments exactly. Perhaps,we all leave it be for now and just watch

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:31am On Sep 02, 2018
That bolded is exactly what happened on the day. No addition nor substraction Tbaba! That is the complete truth and you know it yet you call it overhype. Na wa. So it is a crime to say something as it is ba? Saying the truth is now overhype? Hian...
It is even clearer to me that your definition of overhype is really really super altered to mean something else.


And did Usman Mohammad actually dribble the whole defence? smiley Why do you use petty exaggerations to rubbish Nwakali's performance that day? So because Mohammed scored that day and is being benched at Sarpsborg 08, that is the analogy you want to draw to rate Nwakali as nothing is that it? How very illogically misplaced.

Now let me put it straight to you that Usman Mohammed didn't dribble any "whole" defence alright! He got a pass from Omoyele and had to beat just one player with fancy footwork... Just one player... And he slotted home. Is he talented? Yes he is. But probably not consistent enough to command a shirt at lowly Sarpsborg (who are in the Europa league by the way).

Did he beat a whole defence as you put it? NO F**king way. You are exaggerating just to drive home your down plays of K.Nwakali's showing against Atletico. Not working for me.


And the Bigger picture is not just about K.Nwakali's club career but also about what he can offer the Super Eagles even now!!! If Rohr is proven right, then we have half-a-problem-solved on our hands in our midfield for the long run. No one is saying K.Nwakali is in a top club or functioning at the level hia talents deserves but the fact remains that he has not dipped in his progression. He has not gone all the way up either but so far so good, it is steady and the lad is still on course.


Your only problem is that you are soooo impatient with the lad. Stop being impatient and let the lad grow further this season. Not every young african player can get to play for a top side at age 20 like Mikel Obi!!! Give him a break dammit and be patient. Is that so much to ask?
I wonder how much knocks you would have given Drogba at 21 or 22 even for the level he was at that time in his life.


Yes we have seen many youth players disappear... So why dwell only on the negatives? What about the many gifted younsgters with rough paths to the top who eventually fulfilled their potentials? What about that?

Kelechi Nwakali is in a decent side in Portuguese Second Tier working his ass off to be all he can be. I follow his progress more closely than you think and I have a strong hunch he will come good as his rise despite being somewhat slow is still steady and on course. He is heading somewhere bigger with more efforts and of course he knows he needs to step up his game and make a huge statement with consistency... But also we must realise that he is somewhere too and still on his way. It is not yet eureka... The lad is progressing decently this season and getting games functioning especially in his preferred role as Central AMF. This is no small task for a young African player.... Take into consideration the rarity of the African AMF in European football today and you will have a better perspective on the patience you should have with K.Nwakali.



tbaba1234:



The bolded is where the overhyping comes.. Yes, he scored a great goal against Athletico.. so what?? Usman Muhammad dribbled the whole defense... So what?? The bigger picture is where their careers are not goals in a friendly match.

Where we differ is that you think his career trajectory so far is fine.I disagree. I do not rate the portuguese second tier as much as you do and i have watched several games over the years. No way, is it better than the Scottish league.

Kelechi has quality but it takes more than that to reach the heights. We have seen many quality youth players disappear. This is the right time for the alarm bells. The boy needs to challenge himself and i hope, he starts raising his level from next season.




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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 9:40am On Sep 02, 2018
ChrisKels:
How come that Nigerian youngster(Tosin Kehinde) that joined Feirense from Man.U hasn't made Feirense match day squad since the Portuguese league kicked off?

Being in Man U. doesn't mean you are outstanding quality. You are just potential for now indeed some players are just making up the numbers.

Then add the fact that a lot of players can not make the transition from youth football to senior professional football.

Leaving Man. U and going to Feirense is not progression. If he was doing well and showing promise there should be Championship or at least league 1 teams, queuing up to sign him. But instead he went to Portugal that says it all.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 10:01am On Sep 02, 2018
komekn:


Being in Man U. doesn't mean you are outstanding quality. You are just potential for now indeed some players are just making up the numbers.

Then add the fact that a lot of players can not make the transition from youth football to senior professional football.

Leaving Man. U and going to Feirense is not progression. If he was doing well and showing promise there should be Championship or at least league 1 teams, queuing up to sign him. But instead he went to Portugal that says it all.

I said why has he not played this season, u dey hear dey write off point without even scratching the surface of my qstn.

Yes what u wrote is right, but, why has he not played for Feirense? If u av the answer, u give
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:15am On Sep 02, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Kelechi Nwakali is A SPECIAL TALENT and there is obviously a quality or rather qualities Rohr saw in the lad to lend him an invite. So it is up to K.Nwakali to seize the moment and opportunity to show that he can make us better. This is about the team's growth and not about Nwakali and I strongly believe that if Rohr is proven right, then it is our Super Eagles that will benefit and the fans rejoice.

Focus on the main things and THE BIGGER PICTURE and stop the pathetic cries abeg. It is becoming nauseating.


Thank you for this. I have seen the cries and campaign of Rohr committing murder by calling Kelz Nwakali and I wonder if it is Kelechi Nwakali getting the heat or Iheanacho. I have seen open attack on the call up of Chidi Nwakali and now Kelechi Nwakali and I wonder why these people can not take a chill pill.

I have hammered on us developing our clearly identified special talents and Kelz Nwakali clearly falls into this category.

Maybe people have forgotten he was a kid spotted when he was too young to play with the U17 team and he later proved the scouts right by leading the next U17 team to glory. I remember calling that we have no like for like replacement for Mikel. I am seeing the calls for other players instead of Nwakali with a host of reasons why they should get picked ahead of Kelz.

The question is simple. Those these people are calling for, are they like for like replacements for Mikel Obi. Keep in mind, Mikel offers an attribute of tying the team together and brings coherency to our play. Mikel is not coming for the trip and he is not getting younger. It is right for the coach to look into a special talent who has the ability of bringing the quality Mikel offers. He showed so much potential in the game against Atlético Madrid. Rohr was in that game and I believed he saw much potential in Kelz Nwakali.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:21am On Sep 02, 2018
tbaba1234:


Like i said before, the Portuguese second tier is like an under 23 league. Good for youth development but i feel Nwakali should already be playing at a higher level.

There are factors that hinder progress but that does not take away the quality of the person or stops the person from working his way up the ladder. Kelz Nwakali needs to keep working hard to seize opportunities that comes his way.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gamaliel9: 11:15am On Sep 02, 2018
Could it be that Nwakali is a late developer? Because his age mates are already making waves....its like Donnaruma has been in AC Milan for ages...or that he is not getting opportunity to play. There use to be a certain Abreu from Uruguay...panenka specialist...he use to globtrotte...but alaways find himself in national team...i think the biggest club he played was Derpotivo La Coruna in Europe and Boca Juniors in Latin America but he was always in the national team

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:33am On Sep 02, 2018
ChrisKels:


I said why has he not played this season, u dey hear dey write off point without even scratching the surface of my qstn.

Yes what u wrote is right, but, why has he not played for Feirense? If u av the answer, u give



If you Apply simplistic rational and in my response you will find your answer.

Which simply means he lacks the required quality to immediately make an impression that will give him a starting position.

To say I have not scratched the surface of the question ❓ Leaves me speechless.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JoebieII: 12:06pm On Sep 02, 2018
I wish to reply to all of your points, but I guess only some of them may apply to my earlier position. But let me give a general reply that MAY also cover others' positions.

Firstly on Uzoho, there were different camps in terms of opinions held. one camp felt he didn't deserve the #1 shirt (that we had at least a better option). Another camp opined that he was not ready to be in goal at the world cup. yet another believed he would come good. I belong to the latter, because I remember saying the area we really needed to worry was our attack failing to deliver. But I still a point with the former camps. The first camp didn't think other keepers were given the chance for a fair competition. The second camp harped on the videos which led to some of us having concerns. Just as we see clips, and we may be moved to overhype a player, it's justified that people would start to worry seeing worrysome showing from Uzoho. There is nothing wrong with that. On my part, I knew Uzoho will eventually come good because Rohr was doing the needed as I predicted -- giving Uzoho all the minutes in our friendlies. Ensuring that he gets the needed exposure to be confident at the WC proper.

Now to the main at hand -- Kelechi Nwakali. There is a camp that is disgruntled about his invitation. There are those who like the move (the camp you belong to) because the boy has shown "special talent" based on his U17 days and the Atletico friendly. Yet there is another camp asking if someone else who have shown better talent based on output is not given an opportunity we would never know if that player being in the team would have made our SE stronger. I belong to the latter camp. Should concessions be given for special talent? why not? but how you determine special talent is the crux of the matter. Granted, Rohr is the coach and he decides based on what he sees or/and who others recommend. Nigeria has it's own uniqueness, so we don't necessarily have to follow other successful countries in terms of the criteria they use in player selection. But we still need to ask ourselves if what we've been doing have been working for us. At the end of the day, the stronger the team the MORE LIKELY we would go FARTHER in tournaments -- that's the big picture.

I don't know if anyone is crying here about the matter. But what I see are varying opinions. however, there are several monikers who get really emotional when arguing their case. They resort to name callings etc. I don't think we should stress over these things.



TheSuperNerd:
Instead of focusing on harnessing the best out of the available options we are gradually laying hands upon based on what they all bring to the table specific to the progress and positive evolution of our young Super Eagles team, some folks are still crying foul over Kelechi Nwakali's call up most especially when it is clear to all WHY he was called up!!!
What is the matter with some humans sef? Can't they just focus on the main things for once? Can't you try view the Big/Bigger picture?
This was how Tbaba1234 and some others went on and on pre-Russia telling us how "unready" Uzoho was especially after dropping those clips of Uzoho in the Third tier. Oh yes, Tbaba did say he had good potentials but he always (as with others) hammered that Uzoho was not ready and may be our undoing in Russia.
It was only the likes of me, Realpoacher (where is he sef?) and a few others who stood our ground acknowledging we may have a challenge in goal but we believe and know Uzoho will be ready. We also pointed out that Rohr obviously sees something special in the lad to stick with him. Things no one here can see or spot in details from the comfort of hiding behind our computers, laptops, smartphones.

Listen folks, many of you here have been proven wrong before as regards Rohr taking similar steps with K.Nwakali as he did with Uzoho prior to the WC. So let Rohr be. If Rohr sees nothing in him for the good of the team, then he will be discarded....

... But if this boy goes on to establish himself as a Viable option in the Super Eagles team ehn... And prove a relevant addition to the side, I wonder what new tune you cry-babies will sing. Just pathetic.





I may be young but I have seen life from a lot of angles and I do understand that sometimes in life, protocols will and can be broken to accommodate a special case scenario. I am for the most deserving getting their chances and all (Kalu belongs to this category of most deserving too and he got his call...Onyekuru too have earned a recall becos he deserves it) but I also know that sometimes in life situations, protocols are broken for a special talent or special case scenario. In my high school days I also experienced this which at the end of the day was a master stroke decision.

Kelechi Nwakali is A SPECIAL TALENT and there is obviously a quality or rather qualities Rohr saw in the lad to lend him an invite. So it is up to K.Nwakali to seize the moment and opportunity to show that he can make us better. This is about the team's growth and not about Nwakali and I strongly believe that if Rohr is proven right, then it is our Super Eagles that will benefit and the fans rejoice.

Focus on the main things and THE BIGGER PICTURE and stop the pathetic cries abeg. It is becoming nauseating.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:23pm On Sep 02, 2018
gamaliel9:
Could it be that Nwakali is a late developer? Because his age mates are already making waves....its like Donnaruma has been in AC Milan for ages...or that he is not getting opportunity to play. There use to be a certain Abreu from Uruguay...panenka specialist...he use to globtrotte...but alaways find himself in national team...i think the biggest club he played was Derpotivo La Coruna in Europe and Boca Juniors in Latin America but he was always in the national team

I feel the older Nwakali should have gone to Asia because nothing he will play in Poland's second division will ever make anybody take him serious. I can understand Kelechi going to Porto B because no matter what anybody say's there is a chance that he can end up in the A team so there is light at the end of the tunnel for him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:33pm On Sep 02, 2018
komekn:


That's very Infact exceptional progress for him, now can he show quality and score goals.

This is not a top team he needs to be a regular.

He will be a regular I have no doubt about that.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JoebieII: 12:38pm On Sep 02, 2018
I will be following closely the progression of Yahaya and K. Nwakali in Porto.

So far this season, Musa Yahaya has clocked a full shift, started 1, and had a couple sub-ins
K. Nwakali have made 4 match day squads coming in as a sub in 1, and have started 3 times.

Porto B have lost 3 games, but just won 1 yesterday -- coincidentally, both Nwakali and Yahaya started, with the latter playing in RM (winger).

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 12:44pm On Sep 02, 2018
This one Iwobi isn't on the team list.. Hope it isn't what am thinking undecided
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 12:46pm On Sep 02, 2018
JoebieII:
Saviour Godwin scored in the Belgian 2nd tier today.
This guy has been forgotten for obvious reasons grin
no one has the time to be following a player in Belgium second tier league....
dude should play himself up the league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JoebieII: 12:50pm On Sep 02, 2018
He is ill

krattoss:
This one Iwobi isn't on the team list.. Hope it isn't what am thinking undecided
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 12:59pm On Sep 02, 2018
TheGoodJoe:



Thank you for this. I have seen the cries and campaign of Rohr committing murder by calling Kelz Nwakali and I wonder if it is Kelechi Nwakali getting the heat or Iheanacho. I have seen open attack on the call up of Chidi Nwakali and now Kelechi Nwakali and I wonder why these people can not take a chill pill.

I have hammered on us developing our clearly identified special talents and Kelz Nwakali clearly falls into this category.

Maybe people have forgotten he was a kid spotted when he was too young to play with the U17 team and he later proved the scouts right by leading the next U17 team to glory. I remember calling that we have no like for like replacement for Mikel. I am seeing the calls for other players instead of Nwakali with a host of reasons why they should get picked ahead of Kelz.

The question is simple. Those these people are calling for, are they like for like replacements for Mikel Obi. Keep in mind, Mikel offers an attribute of tying the team together and brings coherency to our play. Mikel is not coming for the trip and he is not getting younger. It is right for the coach to look into a special talent who has the ability of bringing the quality Mikel offers. He showed so much potential in the game against Atlético Madrid. Rohr was in that game and I believed he saw much potential in Kelz Nwakali.


Finito.

the bolded summed it all.

sometimes I rarely take oga komekn cry serious reason he barely watch these matches...he already have a preconceived notions about these players that he barely sit to watch them play....

his stake in football is not really rooted in passion for the game but the business side of football still remains his motivation.

no coach will ignore such lad after that ATM match...
I call his inclusion in the ATM match party as questionable but the lad proved himself as such his performance in that match fetch him these one.

to be honest he is one of the few creative midfielders in that team save for iwobi....
he can slot in the 10 role very well.
I won't judge him by his club football sojourn...
had it been he was a British or German citizen...he would have been out of our reach by now.

opportunities sometimes tells in players progress
oga komekn and his gangs still can't fathon it out that in the streets of Nigeria there abound exceptional talented kids better than those English lads he splashed on our faces here...but opportunities have eluded them....to showcase their potentials in the world stage and as well make football progress....

many of our players are underrated and I won't join shallow minds here speak ill of these lads save for the one in China who I am still waiting for him to prove himself...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 1:02pm On Sep 02, 2018
forgiveness:


Does that change the fact that Slava Prague is rated highly than Bordeaux currently? Think about that one first. Ndo! grin



are you here to promote your players or to support the super eagles?
everyone knows if God himself was to draw up that list for Seychelles you will still complain

please chill...bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JoebieII: 1:07pm On Sep 02, 2018
Yes that's the point. A standout performance in a friendly does not say it all. I remember a certain Bright Dike putting up a great performance against Italy in a friendly. Where is he today? Performing well in a friendly should not be written off, but consistent performance in the league a true testimony to talent. Do I believe Kelechi is a talent? from what I have seen (Atletico friendly) yes. But talent is relative, especially when you use the term "special talent" it has to be proven measurably. Those who have shown more promise consistently are definitely more talented. How they will measure up in the main national team is yet another matter. We can never really know until we give them the opportunity.

tbaba1234:



The bolded is where the overhyping comes.. Yes, he scored a great goal against Athletico.. so what?? Usman Muhammad dribbled the whole defense... So what?? The bigger picture is where their careers are not goals in a friendly match.

Where we differ is that you think his career trajectory so far is fine.I disagree. I do not rate the portuguese second tier as much as you do and i have watched several games over the years. No way, is it better than the Scottish league.

Kelechi has quality but it takes more than that to reach the heights. We have seen many quality youth players disappear. This is the right time for the alarm bells. The boy needs to challenge himself and i hope, he starts raising his level from next season.




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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:17pm On Sep 02, 2018
Once again another erroneous comment. See ehn... Portugal have an actual U-23 league. Alampasu is playing at that level now. They just launched it this season. Ledman Liga Pro have been in existence for several seasons now. Nothing like an U-23 league even in terms of its quality which you are making it out to be due to whatever weird personal gripe you have with Portugal. Stop the misinformation abeg and let K.Nwakali make his continued climb up the ladder. Soon he will leave this level and walk into something better. Give it time and be patient.


tbaba1234:


Like i said before, the Portuguese second tier is like an under 23 league. Good for youth development but i feel Nwakali should already be playing at a higher level.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:24pm On Sep 02, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Once again another erroneous comment. See ehn... Portugal have an actual U-23 league. Alampasu is playing at that level now. They just launched it this season. Ledman Liga Pro have been in existence for several seasons now. Nothing like an U-23 league even in terms of its quality which you are making it out to be due to whatever weird personal gripe you have with Portugal. Stop the misinformation abeg and let K.Nwakali make his continued climb up the ladder. Soon he will leave this level and walk into something better. Give it time and be patient.



There was some opposition to the new under 23 league for exactly this reason. Because the second division already had many of the under 23 players especially for the big sides.

Porto B has won the premier league international cup several times. That is essentially an under 23 tournament.

There is no personal gripe with anything. My comments avoid any personal indictments because i simply talk from my experiences and point of view. I do label people 'cry-babies' because i do not agree with them.

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