Robynwelo1:


Lol. All these your talk is not racism. It's more like people scrambling for limited resources. Why are you crying that other countries want to gain world power? Direct your rant at the leaders of our nation who cannot make effective policies. We are our own problem not the whites.

See me here thinking you even had an iota of sense.

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened

Please, how is this related to feminism?

Sure a racist can also be Feminist, just like a racist can also be a manist, but it doesn't mean that all feminists are racists.


You have been mixing all of things up in your post since the beginning

Robynwelo1:


Lol. All these your talk is not racism. It's more like people scrambling for limited resources. Why are you crying that other countries want to gain world power? Direct your rant at the leaders of our nation who cannot make effective policies. We are our own problem not the whites.

See me here thinking you even had an iota of sense.

chineloSA:


Your narrow minded made you assume that the suffix SA means I am South African. Yes in paper but not ethnically. That's rubbish.

African woman have always had their roles clear and defined AND there were never serious issues Yes there have always been bad men in our communities, but not exceeding good men. 99% of my relatives are good men who support women empowerment and never stands in the way of their women's individual progress. I am a living example and my female relatives too.

When men hand over their roles e.g. being a provider or 50/50 financial responsibility you cry foul. You want to be equal and take over some manly roles yet you don't want to carry the responsibilities that come with the roles.

I said I refuse to include any race in our gender issues and debates. That include Whites, Arabs, Asians, Chinese etc. We are different and we will never be the same and our battles are not equal. They are more advantaged than you. Don't think you are equal. The US is likely to deport you than an Asian women.

Black women are so quick to buy other races battles when not even once other races bought your battles and fought for you. Instead they join in and oppress you.

Asians, Indian, Chinese join in and oppress you. You people think it is being educated and enlightened to fight for other races that oppress you and fight your existence.

You can never join forces with any race that:
1. joins in and oppress you
2. that already has other privileges that you don't have.

RACISM IS A PROBLEM. IT CREATES INEQUALITY.

AFRICANS focus on racism and not FEMINISM that seeks to create division between you and your MEN.

African Men have always empowered us because they know it's for their benefit too.

Stop looking for a problem where it doesn't exist. Racism is a problem.

chineloSA:



You are just like the others who didn't read what I said and jumped into attacking me.

I said we need
1. TO GET RID OF RACISM
2. EQUAL AND QUALITY EDUCATION FOR ALL GENDERS,

IF WE ACHIEVE THE ABOVE WE WONT NEED FEMINISM.

My parents and grandparents never grew up when there was feminism, but one was a doctor, a nurse, a teacher. All of them were empowered without feminism and with the men that you paint to be monsters .

Feminism has always advanced white women and never African ( Black )women. African still face discrimination from the same White feminists in pursuit of their white agenda.

chineloSA:


That's because you didn't not read even my first post that's why you don't understand me.

It will not make sense to you because you have no sense as well.

Feminism exist because of white women. It's their biggest challenge.

Our challenge as Black people including men as well is racism.
White women use Black women to fight their battles making you loose focus of the biggest battle which is racism that is also perpetuated by them ( white women )

Feminism is a tool to create tensions between African genders because they cannot openly use racism anymore.

Get some sense.

AmazonTopaz:
The way you type it seems you may be racist as well(racism does not come up when it concerns whites oppressing blacks only).I am done with you madam because racism does exist does not make feminism less important hence why any form of discrimination needs to be fought hand in hand and it(feminism) would continue to grow as a movement.Racism is not the immediate problem of some people same way feminism is not a solution to some people.
Bye bye I am done with you I am tired of exchanging words with a woman who doesn't know that discrimination comes in different forms.

AmazonTopaz:
You guys should stop attributing feminism to marriage talking about headship and tailship like as if you know what it means to be a leader leadership is service not dictatorship.Not everyone is a Christian who believes in headship and tailship.Some believe in egalitarianism.I find men who demand submission from women or feel that they need to be in control as men who are insecure, lack self esteem that needs a woman who can validate them because they have a joystick.Men were leaders in the stone age and it could change as time progresses.Nature this nature that I am sure that nature wanted us to remain in the stone age you forget that the earth evolves and everything is bound to change.Educate yourself on feminism and stop bringing your close minded view on issues.

Fitbillionairep:

ok, i don scatter table. abebe, your toto dey scratch you?

djon78:



My dear in my world I demand submission because the woman that brought me into this world is up till date submitted and obedient to her husband, she was a highly respected career woman, reached the peak of her profession. She inculcated that into her daughters: 5 girls. 2 are doctors, and all her girls are graduates. The ones that are married are respected in their homes and by their husband's people.

Feminist my foot.

You guys should keep on deceiving yourselves, woman fighting what right with man? There are people you can tell those.



And mind you I am a very good responsible man. I love, care for, pamper, nourish, take care of and cherish my woman. And she submits willingly because she knows that no one will love and take care of her like me.





another slowpoke. Women can't always submit. They shld be treated equally. If she is always submissive she would never have a say even when you are about to make a stupid decision. But since by nature u r egoistic u won't want to be questioned. It is in man's nature to be selfish u can't always be selfless. In your moment of selfishness what will she do? She can't question u cos u r d man.


Who gives a Bleep about pampering? Pampering is not enough, women deserve respect. I think they are two different things. Also you have as much right to pampering as she does. So don't think pampering her overrules equality.

Most women in Nigeria are lazy, so u wld be considered an ideal husband anyhow.

chineloSA:


That's because you didn't not read even my first post that's why you don't understand me.

It will not make sense to you because you have no sense as well.

Feminism exist because of white women. It's their biggest challenge.

Our challenge as Black people including men as well is racism.
White women use Black women to fight their battles making you loose focus of the biggest battle which is racism that is also perpetuated by them ( white women )

Feminism is a tool to create tensions between African genders because they cannot openly use racism anymore

Get some sense.

djon78:



My dear in my world I demand submission because the woman that brought me into this world is up till date submitted and obedient to her husband, she was a highly respected career woman, reached the peak of her profession. She inculcated that into her daughters: 5 girls. 2 are doctors, and all her girls are graduates. The ones that are married are respected in their homes and by their husband's people.

Feminist my foot.

You guys should keep on deceiving yourselves, woman fighting what right with man? There are people you can tell those.



And mind you I am a very good responsible man. I love, care for, pamper, nourish, take care of and cherish my woman. And she submits willingly because she knows that no one will love and take care of her like me.

chineloSA:


The way you are so stupid you think an African can be racist. Racism is a system of power created to advance one race at the expense of another race. Racism is power to control resources and means of advancement.
Africans can not be racist. We have no power. We do not have power to control anything while oppressing other races.

You don't even understand yourself.

I still put it to you that Feminism has got nothing to do with advancement of black women, but advancement of white women. You are not on par with white women to be demanding to be equal with their male counterparts.

Feminism is used to sow divisions between African genders.

African men are equally victims of racism which creates gender equality, so they have nothing to offer us.

How do we demand equality from people who never even created inequality. African men did not created gender inequality.

They co-created gender roles with us but never stopped us from advancing to anything we wanted.So we cannot demand gender equality from them, when they didn't create it.

Just like we cannot demand African men to end racism because they didn't create it. They are equally victims.

Believe white women's propaganda at your own peril. It doesn't have your African interests at heart but theirs.

By the way I didn't even ask you to debate nonsense with me. You chose to. Bye.

Iamgrey5:
lol
You argue with so much emotions and very little logic

You have resorted to insults to drive your points home your points

Our problems as blacks transcends racism, we also have the problems of bad leadership and low self confidence.

Notwithstanding, we cannot ignore certain problems around gender inequality within our societies, if you have ever been to the north of this country, you will see enough evidence of this.

mablie:
@emboldened
The divide and conquer tactic

chineloSA:


The way you are so stupid you think an African can be racist. Racism is a system of power created to advance one race at the expense of another race. Racism is power to control resources and means of advancement.
Africans can not be racist. We have no power. We do not have power to control anything while oppressing other races.

You don't even understand yourself.

I still put it to you that Feminism has got nothing to do with advancement of black women, but advancement of white women. You are not on par with white women to be demanding to be equal with their male counterparts.

Feminism is used to sow divisions between African genders.

African men are equally victims of racism which creates gender equality, so they have nothing to offer us.

How do we demand equality from people who never even created inequality. African men did not created gender inequality.

They co-created gender roles with us but never stopped us from advancing to anything we wanted.So we cannot demand gender equality from them, when they didn't create it.

Just like we cannot demand African men to end racism because they didn't create it. They are equally victims.

Believe white women's propaganda at your own peril. It doesn't have your African interests at heart but theirs.

By the way I didn't even ask you to debate nonsense with me. You chose to. Bye.

AmazonTopaz:
Keyword in my world.
Well in mine it is different I prefer egalitarianism.
Now case closed bye bye.

AmazonTopaz:
Your constant nonsense you spew is becoming irritating and annoying now bye bye and stop advertising your little logic on issues.
The nonsense you've been spewing with little facts other than emotional sentiments is making me puke.Imaginesomeone saying that Africans can't be racist oh my world.

djon78:


Go on enjoy your world while I enjoy my own. But do know that as far as this our world remains. Women will ever be subservient to men. And nothing can change that. Bye too

chineloSA:


1. I honestly didn't ask you to debate with me.

2. You have been avoiding to give me responses to simple questions when I caught you up in your own lies, narrow mindedness and ignorance.

Who asked you to debate with me from the beginning.

Feminism and feminists like you are biggest enemies to African women's advancement.

chineloSA:


The way you are so stupid you think an African can be racist. Racism is a system of power created to advance one race at the expense of another race. Racism is power to control resources and means of advancement.
Africans can not be racist. We have no power. We do not have power to control anything while oppressing other races.

You don't even understand yourself.

I still put it to you that Feminism has got nothing to do with advancement of black women, but advancement of white women. You are not on par with white women to be demanding to be equal with their male counterparts.

Feminism is used to sow divisions between African genders.

African men are equally victims of racism which creates gender equality, so they have nothing to offer us.

How do we demand equality from people who never even created it. African men did not created gender equality.

They co-created gender roles with us but never stopped us from advancing to anything we wanted.So we cannot demand gender equality from them, when they didn't create it.

Just like we cannot demand African men to end racism because they didn't create it. They are equally victims.

Believe white women's propaganda at your own peril. It doesn't have your African interests at heart but theirs.

By the way I didn't even ask you to debate nonsense with me. You chose to. Bye.

AmazonTopaz:
It has been a long time greiboy how do you do?I found out this is your new monicker.

whytemon:



You think you have done enuf reading but ur writeup is full of propaganda. Saying feminism is a western ideology is just ignorance. Tell me wasn't the ancient Ghana empire running a matriarchal system. If u go back to history u wld be informed with the fact DT some African society promoted polyandry among women. This housewife thing, women running the household for the working class man was actually brought about by western colonialism. Some part of Nigeria women had more farmlands than the men, there the breadwinners. Tell me if that alone won't have demanded respect.

Ignoramus

Iamgrey5:
I am good thank you, how about you?

AmazonTopaz:

I am great.Nice to see your post again.I have not really been regular on Nl for sometime now when I am back on the forum in full time basis I would use my main.

Iamgrey5:
Alright, good to see you around again.
I have been in and out myself.

AmazonTopaz:


Yo yourself know you are deceiving yourself in this 21st century you must think we are living in 1553.Yes same way blacks would forever be subservient to whites.
Wake up and smell the beans we are reaching the age of aquarius where liberalism and rights of both men and women would be a new order.Go sleep and stop consoling yourself maybe women were subservient in the past but definitely not the women who would be born as time progresses.Change would continually remain constant.

chineloSA:


See this fool agreeing with me����. With all that you wrote above about Matriarchal society proves that we never had issues with gender roles. A woman was always respected. All this happened in the absence of racism.

It was not feminism. It was our own African way of advancing women and respecting their place in our societies.

This feminism seeks to empower and leave African men outside, who were and are also victims of racism.

So we never had gender role issues or gender disagreements therefore we have racism problem.

Advancement of women has never been an issue in our African societies(so says you above).

So we agree using the examples of Ghana that women have always had their important place in African society.

What's your point because you agree with me.

djon78:


My dear those people you are arguing with can't understand. Your explanation is point blank and highly educative. So don't waste your energy. I really respect your views and analysis.

djon78:



Let me ask you some question

How many women have ruled US?

How many women are even state Governors in Nigeria?

How many women politicians do you know?


Lady a woman is fragile, like egg. Even strength wise, a womans physical strength is low compared to a man's. So this your talk is day dreaming!!

chineloSA:


See this fool agreeing with me����. With all that you wrote above about Matriarchal society proves that we never had issues with gender roles. A woman was always respected. All this happened in the absence of racism.

It was not feminism. It was our own African way of advancing women and respecting their place in our societies.

This feminism seeks to empower and leave African men outside, who were and are also victims of racism.

So we never had gender role issues or gender disagreements therefore we have racism problem.

Advancement of women has never been an issue in our African societies(so says you above).

So we agree using the examples of Ghana that women have always had their important place in African society.

What's your point because you agree with me.

chineloSA:


That's because you didn't not read even my first post that's why you don't understand me.

It will not make sense to you because you have no sense as well.

Feminism exist because of white women. It's their biggest challenge.

Our challenge as Black people including men as well is racism.
White women use Black women to fight their battles making you loose focus of the biggest battle which is racism that is also perpetuated by them ( white women )

Feminism is a tool to create tensions between African genders because they cannot openly use racism anymore.

Get some sense.