Image123:


Tithing is not subject to the law as it was before the law, that is the point. The tithing which people say is of the law is not the tithe being practicd today, that is what most of the people aginst tithe say here. So there is absolutely no problem with the tithe given today as it is not even the definition of "tithe under the law".

JMAN05:


OK, but the tithe I hear today is of the law. They madly quote Mal 3:8-10.

If the Law's tithe is not the point you are defending, then no discussion should even be held since the tithe before d law is not a law nor command from God. It is left to an individual to give what he wishes, either 10% or more or even less. No need to even demand such tithe from d altar because it is not a requirement.

Eclairs:
It's no longer new we interpret our bibles in our own way and though you made some brilliant comments, your article may be seen as a way to justify ur decision not to pay tithe. Cant really begin to comment on al issues raised but my question to you is this. If we say tithin was directed to the isrealite/ levites as at tht time, does it mean the teachings of Jesus was also directed to those he was addressin as at tht time?

Countless time, I hav been severely purnished when I try to evade tithin. I'd miss my flight due to circumstance beyond my control, I'd get dupped on the high street and loads more but I thank God, it's al in the past.

ur article is sure to discourage loads of tithe payin believers but those who hav tastd the reward of tithin like me, will nt be moved. I however commend u for ur time in the article and hope nairalanders take time in readin it as well.

JMAN05:


OK, but the tithe I hear today is of the law. They madly quote Mal 3:8-10.

If the Law's tithe is not the point you are defending, then no discussion should even be held since the tithe before d law is not a law nor command from God. It is left to an individual to give what he wishes, either 10% or more or even less. No need to even demand such tithe from d altar because it is not a requirement.

Image123:
The tithing which people say is of the law is not the tithe being practicd today, that is what most of the people aginst tithe say here..

Image123:


Tithing is not subject to the law as it was before the law, that is the point. The tithing which people say is of the law is not the tithe being practicd today, that is what most of the people aginst tithe say here. So there is absolutely no problem with the tithe given today as it is not even the definition of "tithe under the law".

OkaiCorne:


And I've asked you why you shave or why you don't see tassels at the corners of your clothes...or why you don't also obey the Mosaic Laws on not planting two different seeds in a garden or not wearing clothes of mixed materials...


What were your answers again? Keep on dribbling yourself.

When it comes to those requirements I mentioned earlier... you now remember you are not under the Mosaic Law. But when it comes to monetary tithing (which was never in the scriptures)... You are quoting Rev 22 v 19.

And don't tell lies to make your point. Where exactly did I mention Hebrews is not part of the scriptures?

In case you're having a tough time interpreting a simple question I asked you...let me repeat it again.


Why do you think the issue of tithing was raised in Hebrews alone? Why didn't it feature in other gospels written to gentile churches e.g. Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Corinthians? etc...

I'm waiting for you to dodge this question or feign ignorance..

OkaiCorne:


Can you show us where the early church gave tithes?

Can you show us where Jesus or the Apostles gave or collected tithes?

OkaiCorne:


@brocab...you can see how image123 is interpreting the scriptures deceitfully...

What did Abram give a tithe of? Or did the whole story end at Genesis 14 v 20?

For goodness sake from verse 21 onwards...it was very clear what was tithed were from the spoils of war...and NOT ALL THAT ABRAM POSSESSED!

Now should a one-time transaction from war spoils become a basis for giving a tenth of one's monthly income to the church purse? What's the connection here?

The only part of the Bible where tithing became regular (annually) was with the introduction of the Mosaic Law to the Jews...if the Mosaic Law is obsolete...then what's the point tithing regularly?

Image123:


This is a ridiculous fallacy that keeps coming up. That something is not recorded is not a guarantee that it did not happen. You are yet to show us where Jesus or any of the apostles condemned tithes or where tithes were not accepted on your basis/definition of ONLY agro-produce.
Joh 20:30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 

Thank God for Matthew 23v23, you would have found it rocket science to believe that Pharisees and scribes gave tithes. Tithing is a form of giving which has several forms. Giving is generally encouraged in the Word of God.

OkaiCorne:


Even the Apostles in the early church knew tithing was before the law. Why wasn't tithing practiced in the early church? Since according to you, Jesus said "it ought to be done"

Why didn't the Apostles go around levying and collecting tithes in the early church? After all, the words of Jesus are not tribalistic na...

Image123:


Stop arguing with your keyboard needlessly. "The point i simply made was that he(Abraham) gave tithes of more than just vegetables and mangoes(agro-produce) that you hitherto assumed that tithes must be." i bet if there was a Scripture that showed Paul gave tithes, you would also resort to this weak plan B that it is a one off. Jacob also benefited from the so called one off. Why was it even recorded again since it is just one time?

Image123:


Nobody needs to go about levying and collecting tithes, either in Abraham's time, or Malachi's time, pr Peter's time. People simply bring all the tithes to God. Tithes are part of giving, anyone can give them at any time. It does not need special office.
Again, it is not according to me, Jesus said it. These OUGHT TO BE DONE. If you like, tear it out of your own Bible, it remains there. Now, don't bite yourself as you listen to Paul. This is GoodNews.
1Co 16:2  Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. 
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

Image123:
Sorry i've not been chanced to reply your posts. i read them almost immediately on phone, but i have to create time to reply on a computer, so pardon my "latecoming".


There is no dribble there, no need for you to take things personal. Simply answer the question you have long avoided. Here it is again. do you show mercy, faith or judgement? Or they are not for you?
i can decide to shave or not shave, it is of no difference or significance to me as pertaining to righteousness BECAUSE i am not under the law.
Same goes for my dress-sense or fashion. Tithes was before the law, hear it until you know it.


i quoted the Bible because you keep dodging and saying this one is for Hebrew, the other one is for Pharisee. All Scripture is God-breathed and for our profit. You can use a knife for your profit or to cut yourself severely. You need to learn to RIGHTLY divide the Word of Truth. The passages i quoted proved very important point; that tithes were given of more than just agro-produce. i never said you should go and do so(you may show me where if i did), or that you will be righteous through it. That is the sense in which the Old covenant is out. Quoting Jesus or quoting the book of Hebrews talking about Abraham has NOTHING o do with Mosaic law, please focus.



You said that it is "interesting that tithes featured in the book of Hebrews... But not in other letters addressed to the gentile churches". i'm not a 6year old. What you imply is that i should not consider what is not written to you but what is written to gentiles like you. Tithing was not raised in Hebrews alone BTW. Jesus mentioned it in the gospels a couple of times. It remains an insignificant issue, in case you are expecting it in every book and chapter before you believe it. Again, you have inferred here that Matthew and Luke are not gospels written to you. It's either you do not understand what you are saying or you need to learn more to communicate in the English language.

brocab:
I don't believe you-fast twice a week, and then bring your tenth of all you earn to the Church you attend, I know you don't obey God's rules, you deafeningly don't obey the law on tithing, not the way God commanded the Jewish farmers to tithe.

The Pharisees were lairs too!
{Luke 18:10-12} Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ {A tenth is pretty little when giving is more or less}
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.
It's obvious which one is justified, the one that didn't tithe at all, let alone a tenth?

Giving is free will-Giving is not told every week one must tithe into the Church they are attending, "A tither would say-I tithe 10% every week because the Church demands I give 10% to build it's kingdom on earth. "I give my pastor riches-to support his dreams, "not my dreams" to build his kingdom, not my kingdom of mega homes, fancy cars, aeroplanes, Motor bikes, and monies that burns with the wind..
The differences between tithing and giving is this: from my heart I give-but from a Churches prospective, it isn't from my heart I give, I give on demand-its the Churches custom to say-I must give my tithe of just 10% to God every week, while the rest is mine!

{Luke 11:42} "Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
Tithing 10% to God once a week, is like sending somebody away without food in the bellies, and saying to them be blessed and warm for the winter, without giving them the things that is needed-giving more or less then 10% to God is giving the things that is needed everyday, Giving is not focused on just money, tithing is, Free will-Giving is from the heart-if you see your brother in need, "give.
I am not complete until I give something to somebody-I say in my heart-bless is he who comes in the name of the Lord, the kingdom of God had come near to you.
And Abraham gave the tenth from the spoils of war-stolen goods, if we tithe from stolen goods once and for all, like Abraham's story-then we can say in our hearts I have given everything to the kings in the Church-so the kings couldn't say they had made me rich, through tithes.

brocab:
Yeh bro, I can see it, the Word of God is freely given to those who seek, not everybody seeks after the Word of God! Satan said to Jesus bow down before me and I will give you all the kingdoms on earth-Jesus said: get behind Me Satan you shall worship God and Him only you shall serve.
Satan said: bow down before me, and he will give you the desires of the heart.
{Ephesians 4:11} He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Should we say tithing talks while the innocent walks, Will tithing set us free-can tithing bring life, will tithing protect the saints, can tithing edify the body of Christ, can it deliver us from evil, can tithing save us? "What does tithing bring "prosperity of health and wealth, does it not cause disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, tithing causes men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain!
And yet Jesus said: foxes have holes, birds have nest, while He had no place to rest His head: and the apostles laid amongst the thorns.
Image 123 drives fancy car's, the highways is his home, his life style is his riches, his dreams and his visions are focus on worldly luxuries!

JMAN05:


OK, but the tithe I hear today is of the law. They madly quote Mal 3:8-10.

If the Law's tithe is not the point you are defending, then no discussion should even be held since the tithe before d law is not a law nor command from God. It is left to an individual to give what he wishes, either 10% or more or even less. No need to even demand such tithe from d altar because it is not a requirement.

MrPristine:


Very well said but image123 will never listen. I suspect he is Pastor that benefits from the tithe scam.

brocab:
Abraham tithed because of a law made by the kings, it was their custom to tithe into the Kings house, Abraham tithed everything-you only tithe 10% and still you can't get it right? You don't tithe under God's law, In "Deuteronomy" you tithe under man's law, bring all your tithes into the Church of unbiblical teachings, "so my Pastor's will be fed in Riches of Gold and Silver and precious stones.

The Law of the Tithe {Deuteronomy 14:22-26}
“Set aside a tithe—a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
{If we were to obey the Law, no-one would stave}
Then go to the one place where the Lord your God has chosen to be worshiped; and there in his presence eat the tithes of your grain, wine, and olive oil, and the first-born of your cattle and sheep.
{Some Churches says if you don't tithe into the Church one week, you pay double the tithe the next week, God say" it's alright, sell your tithe and buy anything you wish to do with it}
Do this so that you may learn to honor the Lord your God always.
{How do we learn to honor anybody If the Church keeps on harassing us to give money}
If the place of worship is too far from your home for you to carry there the tithe of the produce that the Lord has blessed you with, then do this: Sell your produce and take the money with you to the one place of worship. "Spend it on whatever you want—beef, lamb, wine, beer—and there, in the presence of the Lord your God, you and your families are to eat and enjoy yourselves.
{What this means is, pay your bills, feed your family, this is your blessing the Lord have given us}
“Do not neglect the Levites who live in your towns; they have no property of their own. At the end of every third year bring the tithe of all your crops and store it in your towns.
{Tithes is equally shared with everybody, tithes are not to build Church buildings, nor is it for just Pastors}
This food is for the Levites, since they own no property, and for the foreigners, orphans, and widows who live in your towns. They are to come and get all they need. Do this, and the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do.
If Churches would respond to giving the tithes to the People, as the Lord had told us to do, giving them the cash would allow everybody to be equally satisfied, we wouldn't find so many pastors wanting the job to lead the Church, instead of air-conditioners, and expecting their easy wage in envelops every Sunday, just like the disciples, we all need to earn a hard day's work sweating in the Sun to feed our own.

Image123:

This are the kind of baseless and ridiculous research OkaiCorne expects me to follow. For the first time in my life, i am hearing that Abraham's tithe is not 10% but 100%


Yet another round of fallacies, assumptions mixed with some general Bible knowledge.

Image123:


Nobody needs to go about levying and collecting tithes, either in Abraham's time, or Malachi's time, pr Peter's time. People simply bring all the tithes to God. Tithes are part of giving, anyone can give them at any time. It does not need special office.
Again, it is not according to me, Jesus said it. These OUGHT TO BE DONE. If you like, tear it out of your own Bible, it remains there. Now, don't bite yourself as you listen to Paul. This is GoodNews.
1Co 16:2  Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. 
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

OkaiCorne:


How did Jacob benefit from Abram's tithe?

You mentioned Abram gave a tithe of all...and I had to clarify that it was from the spoils of war and not from his personal assets or income!

What's the connection between that and a Christian having to tithe from his or her personal income?

You are yet to answer that...

Image123:

By vowing to give. How else do you want it?


What is personal asset and income? Did anyone bring any so called personal asset or income from heaven? Do the spoils of war not belong to Abraham or you do not know history? My point was very clear and several times reiterated that tithes was given of more than agro-produce. If you do not accept this basic fact, you are free to argue endlessly with your keyboard or siblings. I am sure you remember the question i have been asking you for weeks, don't be an hypocrite.

Image123:

This are the kind of baseless and ridiculous research OkaiCorne expects me to follow. For the first time in my life, i am hearing that Abraham's tithe is not 10% but 100%

Image123:

This are the kind of baseless and ridiculous research OkaiCorne expects me to follow. For the first time in my life, i am hearing that Abraham's tithe is not 10% but 100%


Yet another round of fallacies, assumptions mixed with some general Bible knowledge.

Image123:

What has fasting got to do with anything? i quoted those scriptures IN BOLD showing you that people GAVE tithes, contrary to your attempt to separate tithe from giving. Learn to read to understand, not just like a robot that wants to argue. Again, if what i give is not tithe, you should have no problem with it or even comment on this thread again.


i did not realise we had jumped to discussions on justification. Justification is by faith, not by reading Bible, or going to church, or giving to the poor, or water baptism, or tithes. By your logic, should we stop all that i just mentioned?


This should cut as the definition of balderdash, i have no idea of what you are ranting about here.


You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone. Do you practice justice and the love of God?

OkaiCorne:


It's disgusting when someone sees a straightforward truth but still wants to twist it.

In Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...had Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law when He spoke of tithing?

After His death and ressurection....move on to the other gospels written from Acts to Revelation...

Show us where tithing was mentioned in any of the letters addressed to the gentile churches!

After doing this... Research on the origin of tithing in the church, and you'll see that it is not an early church doctrine... unlike what we see in the church now.

Very simple question I've asked you... you're yet to address it.

Image123:


i don;t live by what i hear today or what you hear today, i live by faith in the Word of God.

aletheia:
Ten years on: still on tithes.

Image123:


do you show mercy, faith or judgement? Or they are not for you? .

Image123:


This is a ridiculous fallacy that keeps coming up. That something is not recorded is not a guarantee that it did not happen. You are yet to show us where Jesus or any of the apostles condemned tithes or where tithes were not accepted on your basis/definition of ONLY agro-produce.
Joh 20:30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 

Thank God for Matthew 23v23, you would have found it rocket science to believe that Pharisees and scribes gave tithes. Tithing is a form of giving which has several forms. Giving is generally encouraged in the Word of God.