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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:03pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: Are both goals similar? If they are not what is the difference |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:05pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:They are similar in every respect, except the official body in each case credited them differently. Which is what I have been saying about Neymar's fake assist. His shot got deflected off Ochoa I think into Firmino's path. FIFA didn't credit him with the assist. And I'm saying even if we do, hazard still has a better goal contribution rate than him in Russia 2018. Is there any other metric or yardstick we can use to judge them? Since better is now the same and penalties aren't part of football. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:06pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
PlainJAY: This is a second angle |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:07pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Couldn't help but laugh at the bolded |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:07pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: Are football rules different from body to body? So if both goals are the same but treated differently, that must mean one body was wrong and one was right or one was blind and one can see So unlimited are you insinuating that either CAF or UEFA was blind? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:10pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:It is none of my business whether one body is blind or not. Maybe since FIFA is toeing CAF's line, they're both blind and only UEFA is correct My point is, even if we decide to credit Neymar with the assist, against FIFA's official records, he still had a weaker goal contribution ratio than Hazard in Russia. So how come they had similar performances? Are there other yardsticks that were used to judge them? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:10pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: So plainjay wont claim he didnt see it well I am even providing a third angle PlainJay you have now seen both Asensio and Musas goal. Are they different if yes tell me how they are different |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:12pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: If you are saying UEFA was right that means CAF was wrong So unlimited22, How can you say CAF was wrong or better still the comment in bold Unlimited22: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:16pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Who said UEFA was right and CAF was wrong? I just said UEFA awarded the goal as an own goal. And CAF credited the goal to Musa. And FIFA did NOT credit Neymar with the assist. And I also said even though we decide to credit Neymar with the assist, disagreeing with FIFA, he still had a worse goal contribution ratio than Hazard in Russia. Is there any other metric used to judge performances of attackers? If you didn't see the smileys there or saw and ignored, that is your wahala na |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 3:27pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: Lol Egbon dayo is a lost cause.I only entertain him to keep cracking my ribs with his usual flawed logic. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:33pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: To you in cases such goals are scored the type of goal Musa and Asensio scored, what should be the judgment on such? Goal or own goal From your own view You cannot have 2 opposing view on the same event |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:37pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:My judgment and your judgment do not concern CAF and FIFA and UEFA. Haven't you seen cases where, before goalline technology, ghost goals were awarded etc because what counts isn't our judgment but the referee's? FIFA's judgment was NO assist. And I also went ahead to give the leeway of saying, OK, let's add the assist. And still Neymar's goal contributions fall short of Hazard's. Is there another metric we can use? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:42pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: That is why I am asking you for your own view. FIFA and CAF dont think for you. Thats why humans are given brains. To make their own independent judgment away from what other people and other bodies think. There used to be a time where all the governing bodies agreed that the earth was flat So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Cypmeni(m): 3:43pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
A mod should please ban this Laumdeuter from this place, he is talking rubbish with his failed logic |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 3:46pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Asensio goal was own goal. That was not an assist from Neymar. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:48pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:And that is why I said, in the context of this discourse, our opinions count for very little. It's immaterial if I think the first goal in the Nigeria game should be an own goal, because that will not change the official records of how many goals Ahmed Musa has for Nigeria. Nor will it change that according to FIFA, world football's governing body, Neymar had only 1 assist if I'm of the opinion that he had 2. So I said, let's credit Neymar with the assist. No problem. Now, does he not still have less goal contributions and less contributions per 90 than Hazard? Yes or no? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:53pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: You havent answered the question you are turning amala That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:53pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
hensben: Musas goal was it a goal for Musa or an own goal |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 3:56pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:In your opinion, is 1 goal contribution in 103.5 minutes equal to 1 goal contribution every 112 or 150 minutes? Answer this and I'll certainly answer you. Please don't add or take away from the question. Just answer yes or no. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:04pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22:after this,.anyone that argues with that dude actually has time. The world football governing body that drew "Laws of the game" and have lots of video technology is wrong but a German-based website is right The same person tried to tell us Chelsea's most used formation with a post from SB Nation. Well,.what do you expects from someone that calls Terry a below par defender because a red card made him miss UCL final? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 4:40pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Skimpledawg: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 4:41pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Skimpledawg: Lol The ministry is moving.. There's joy in heaven ! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:52pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: The goal that makes the difference was a penalty. So that makes them equal You think you can spin away from this? Tell us how the type of Musa/Asensio goal should be classified Whatever your opinion is it means either CAF was wrong or UEFA was wrong because the same goal was classified differently |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:00pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
PlainJay, Over 2 hours have you now seen Asensio goal and is it different from Musas goal |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 5:12pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Is the penalty not a goal? Where was it in the question that one goal was a penalty? Is 1 contribution in 103.5 minutes better than 1 in 112 or 150 minutes? Simple and short. If Messi had scored his, would Argentina have needed to struggle through to the next round? Spin ko, spinarooni ni. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:15pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: You havent answered the question you are turning amala That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 5:18pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:. Musa goal is clearly an own goal but no fan,"badbelle" can change wat was stated. .blv u v seen matches were glaring offside goals r given as goals......d final judgement comes 4m d official. ....we as fans gat no choice dan 2 accept ...... Neymar's case was clearly a non-assist n d call was right, Assensio's was a right call....Musa's was a wrong call but we must accept jst like so many other cases u moniker z raumdeuter. .u r 2 watch matches n accept d dramas it provides... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 5:21pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:.in counting Neymar's total goals .Do u include penalties? if YES then u r shameless |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:21pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Segedinho: So if CAF can make a wrong call to credit an own goal to Musa, or official can make a mistake a give glaring offsides as goals Why cant FIFA do the same by not giving Neymar his assist You have helped nail yourself |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:22pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Segedinho: Did Neymar score a penalty at the world cup? If Neymar scored a penalty then he will be on the same level as Hazard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 5:22pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Have you answered your own question? Is 1 goal contribution per 103.5 minutes the same as 1 goal contribution per 112 or 150 minutes? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:24pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
Unlimited22: I have answered you The only thing Hazard had over Neymar was a penalty goal which makes them to be on the same level of performance Now answer mine That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why? |
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