Unlimited22:

I don't run from questions. And you're still making my point for me.
CAF credited him with the goal.
UEFA credited that as an own goal.
FIFA didn't credit Neymar with the assist.
And even if we decide to do that, Hazard still has more goal contributions per minute than Neymar in Russia 2018.
Which other metric should we use to judge performance?

Are both goals similar? If they are not what is the difference

raumdeuter:


Are both goals similar? If they are not what is the difference

They are similar in every respect, except the official body in each case credited them differently.
Which is what I have been saying about Neymar's fake assist.
His shot got deflected off Ochoa I think into Firmino's path.
FIFA didn't credit him with the assist.
And I'm saying even if we do, hazard still has a better goal contribution rate than him in Russia 2018.
Is there any other metric or yardstick we can use to judge them?
Since better is now the same and penalties aren't part of football.

PlainJAY:


I've seen Musa's goal but I haven't seen Asensio's.

So I'm not in a position to judge.

This is a second angle

raumdeuter:


This is a second angle

Couldn't help but laugh at the bolded

Unlimited22:

They are similar in every respect, except the official body in each case credited them differently.

Are football rules different from body to body?

So if both goals are the same but treated differently, that must mean one body was wrong and one was right or one was blind and one can see

So unlimited are you insinuating that either CAF or UEFA was blind?

raumdeuter:


Are football rules different from body to body?

So if both goals are the same but treated differently, that must mean one body was wrong and one was right or one was blind and one can see

So unlimited are you insinuating that either CAF or UEFA was blind?

It is none of my business whether one body is blind or not.
Maybe since FIFA is toeing CAF's line, they're both blind and only UEFA is correct
My point is, even if we decide to credit Neymar with the assist, against FIFA's official records, he still had a weaker goal contribution ratio than Hazard in Russia.
So how come they had similar performances? Are there other yardsticks that were used to judge them?

Unlimited22:

Couldn't help but laugh at the bolded

So plainjay wont claim he didnt see it well

I am even providing a third angle



PlainJay you have now seen both Asensio and Musas goal. Are they different if yes tell me how they are different

Unlimited22:

It is none of my business whether one body is blind or not.
Maybe since FIFA is toeing CAF's line, they're both blind and only UEFA is correct

If you are saying UEFA was right that means CAF was wrong

So unlimited22, How can you say CAF was wrong or better still the comment in bold

Unlimited22:
In Nigeria's game against Seychelles, Ahmed Musa's shot cannoned off the crossbar, and hit the keeper before going in. That's an own goal.
Yet the goal was credited to him.
Why don't you go and tell CAF to use their eyes?

raumdeuter:


If you are saying UEFA was right that means CAF was wrong

So unlimited22, How can you say CAF was wrong or better still the comment in bold

Who said UEFA was right and CAF was wrong?
I just said UEFA awarded the goal as an own goal.
And CAF credited the goal to Musa. And FIFA did NOT credit Neymar with the assist.
And I also said even though we decide to credit Neymar with the assist, disagreeing with FIFA, he still had a worse goal contribution ratio than Hazard in Russia.
Is there any other metric used to judge performances of attackers?
If you didn't see the smileys there or saw and ignored, that is your wahala na

Unlimited22:

I rest my case.
Y'all should be the judge.
Cc Ibime Airmark Nihilstjnr Popizaino Segedinho Skimpledawg
Hazard and Neymar had the same world cup.
Maybe goal contributions no longer count, or Hazard is now more popular than Neymar hence his silver ball award.

Lol Egbon dayo is a lost cause.I only entertain him to keep cracking my ribs with his usual flawed logic.

Unlimited22:

Who said UEFA was right and CAF was wrong?
I just said UEFA awarded the goal as an own goal.
And CAF credited the goal to Musa. And FIFA did NOT credit Neymar with the assist.
And I also said even though we decide to credit Neymar with the assist, disagreeing with FIFA, he still had a worse goal contribution ratio than Hazard in Russia.
Is there any other metric used to judge performances of attackers?
If you didn't see the smileys there or saw and ignored, that is your wahala na

To you in cases such goals are scored the type of goal Musa and Asensio scored, what should be the judgment on such?

Goal or own goal

From your own view

You cannot have 2 opposing view on the same event

raumdeuter:


To you in cases such goals are scored the type of goal Musa and Asensio scored, what should be the judgment on such?

Goal or own goal

From your own view

You cannot have 2 opposing view on the same event

My judgment and your judgment do not concern CAF and FIFA and UEFA.
Haven't you seen cases where, before goalline technology, ghost goals were awarded etc because what counts isn't our judgment but the referee's?
FIFA's judgment was NO assist.
And I also went ahead to give the leeway of saying, OK, let's add the assist.
And still Neymar's goal contributions fall short of Hazard's.
Is there another metric we can use?

Unlimited22:

My judgment and your judgment do not concern CAF and FIFA and UEFA.
Haven't you seen cases where, before goalline technology, ghost goals were awarded etc because what counts isn't our judgment but the referee's?
FIFA's judgment was NO assist.
And I also went ahead to give the leeway of saying, OK, let's add the assist.
And still Neymar's goal contributions fall short of Hazard's.
Is there another metric we can use?

That is why I am asking you for your own view. FIFA and CAF dont think for you.

Thats why humans are given brains. To make their own independent judgment away from what other people and other bodies think.
There used to be a time where all the governing bodies agreed that the earth was flat

So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why?

A mod should please ban this Laumdeuter from this place, he is talking rubbish with his failed logic

raumdeuter:


This is Asensios goal



Now you have seen both. You are now in a position to judge

Asensio goal was own goal. That was not an assist from Neymar.

raumdeuter:


That is why I am asking you for your own view. FIFA and CAF dont think for you.

Thats why humans are given brains. To make their own independent judgment away from what other people and other bodies think.
There used to be a time where all the governing bodies agreed that the earth was flat

So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why?

And that is why I said, in the context of this discourse, our opinions count for very little. It's immaterial if I think the first goal in the Nigeria game should be an own goal, because that will not change the official records of how many goals Ahmed Musa has for Nigeria.
Nor will it change that according to FIFA, world football's governing body, Neymar had only 1 assist if I'm of the opinion that he had 2.
So I said, let's credit Neymar with the assist. No problem.
Now, does he not still have less goal contributions and less contributions per 90 than Hazard? Yes or no?

Unlimited22:

And that is why I said, in the context of this discourse, our opinions count for very little. It's immaterial if I think the first goal in the Nigeria game should be an own goal, because that will not change the official records of how many goals Ahmed Musa has for Nigeria.
Nor will it change that according to FIFA, world football's governing body, Neymar had only 1 assist if I'm of the opinion that he had 2.
So I said, let's credit Neymar with the assist. No problem.
Now, does he not still have less goal contributions and less contributions per 90 than Hazard? Yes or no?

You havent answered the question you are turning amala

That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion

hensben:
Asensio goal was own goal. That was not an assist from Neymar.

Musas goal was it a goal for Musa or an own goal

raumdeuter:


You havent answered the question you are turning amala

That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion

In your opinion, is 1 goal contribution in 103.5 minutes equal to 1 goal contribution every 112 or 150 minutes?
Answer this and I'll certainly answer you.
Please don't add or take away from the question. Just answer yes or no.

Unlimited22:

Wow. Fifa has no eyes.

after this,.anyone that argues with that dude actually has time.

The world football governing body that drew "Laws of the game" and have lots of video technology is wrong but a German-based website is right


The same person tried to tell us Chelsea's most used formation with a post from SB Nation.


Well,.what do you expects from someone that calls Terry a below par defender because a red card made him miss UCL final?

Skimpledawg:
How can some persons gang up and be waiting for just one man to come online...


Great god This is the anointing at work.

Elrony, the anointing oil from Rabbi afrodoc2 is working miracles and not just attracting but also making men wait for Dayo...


We gast move our ministry to the Middle East o

Skimpledawg:

Hahhahaha

Rabbi sir, where you dey get your anointing oil Abeg?

Dayo don turn deliverance pastor Now now


I an elrony need one for the Middle East region

Lol

The ministry is moving..

There's joy in heaven !

Unlimited22:

In your opinion, is 1 goal contribution in 103.5 minutes equal to 1 goal contribution every 112 or 150 minutes?
Answer this and I'll certainly answer you.
Please don't add or take away from the question. Just answer yes or no.

The goal that makes the difference was a penalty. So that makes them equal

You think you can spin away from this? Tell us how the type of Musa/Asensio goal should be classified

Whatever your opinion is it means either CAF was wrong or UEFA was wrong because the same goal was classified differently

PlainJay, Over 2 hours have you now seen Asensio goal and is it different from Musas goal

raumdeuter:


The goal that makes the difference was a penalty. So that makes them equal

You think you can spin away from this? Tell us how the type of Musa/Asensio goal should be classified

Whatever your opinion is it means either CAF was wrong or UEFA was wrong because the same goal was classified differently

Is the penalty not a goal?
Where was it in the question that one goal was a penalty?
Is 1 contribution in 103.5 minutes better than 1 in 112 or 150 minutes?
Simple and short.
If Messi had scored his, would Argentina have needed to struggle through to the next round?
Spin ko, spinarooni ni.

Unlimited22:

Is the penalty not a goal?
If Messi had scored his, would Argentina have needed to struggle through to the next round?
Spin ko, spinarooni ni.

You havent answered the question you are turning amala

That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion

So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why?

raumdeuter:


Musas goal was it a goal for Musa or an own goal

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Musa goal is clearly an own goal but no fan,"badbelle" can change wat was stated. .blv u v seen matches were glaring offside goals r given as goals......d final judgement comes 4m d official. ....we as fans gat no choice dan 2 accept ......
Neymar's case was clearly a non-assist n d call was right, Assensio's was a right call....Musa's was a wrong call but we must accept jst like so many other cases

u moniker z raumdeuter. .u r 2 watch matches n accept d dramas it provides...

raumdeuter:


The goal that makes the difference was a penalty. So that makes them equal

You think you can spin away from this? Tell us how the type of Musa/Asensio goal should be classified

Whatever your opinion is it means either CAF was wrong or UEFA was wrong because the same goal was classified differently

.in counting Neymar's total goals .Do u include penalties? if YES then u r shameless

Segedinho:
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Musa goal is clearly an own goal but no fan,"badbelle" can change wat was stated. .blv u v seen matches were glaring offside goals r given as goals......d final judgement comes 4m d official. ....we as fans gat no choice dan 2 accept ......
Neymar's case was clearly a non-assist n d call was right, Assensio's was a right call....Musa's was a wrong call but we must accept jst like so many other cases

u moniker z raumdeuter. .u r 2 watch matches n accept d dramas it provides...

So if CAF can make a wrong call to credit an own goal to Musa, or official can make a mistake a give glaring offsides as goals

Why cant FIFA do the same by not giving Neymar his assist

You have helped nail yourself

Segedinho:
.in counting Neymar's total goals .Do u include penalties? if YES then u r shameless

Did Neymar score a penalty at the world cup? If Neymar scored a penalty then he will be on the same level as Hazard

raumdeuter:


You havent answered the question you are turning amala

That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion

So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why?

Have you answered your own question?
Is 1 goal contribution per 103.5 minutes the same as 1 goal contribution per 112 or 150 minutes?

Unlimited22:

Have you answered your own question?
Is 1 goal contribution per 103.5 minutes the same as 1 goal contribution per 112 or 150 minutes?

I have answered you The only thing Hazard had over Neymar was a penalty goal which makes them to be on the same level of performance

Now answer mine

That type of goal is it an own goal or a strike for the attacker? In your opinion

So I am asking such goals, In YOUR OWN opinion, how should they be treated and why?