safarigirl:
the issue is not saying "I know".... The issue is thinking he knows more than those closest to the people

Which travel has Komekn traveled that makes him think he knows more than those with ties to the place? He can drag other Igbos in some parts, but saying the entire Anioma people do not identify as Igbo is the most ignorant statement I have seen all day. He should know when to draw his line

Joebie:
It appears we are saying the same thing. They are not Hausas, but how you apply your divide-and-rule logic here remains my question

Joebie:
It’s mostly for political/economic reasons why people claim what they claim. Some out of cheer ignorance. Even among the Aniomas you would still find some who would claim they are not igbos. When/If Anioma state is created maybe they would need a referendum lol

Joebie:
True.

Why is there so much confusion about people’s identity even in the North? Is there a conspiracy there as well? The problem is if we really want to be united we have to develop a genuine interest in others. These things need to be taken seriously in our schools. However, people have the right to identify with wherever they choose.

safarigirl:
my mother is Anioma, she is very much Igbo and so are her people who identify so. These same Anioma people are the ones agitating for a state separate from the rest of Delta, and they want this state to be joined with the East as an Eastern State. That your last line get comma

Joebie:
Coaches can be sentimental too — white or black. But we are quick to always claim egunje although we cannot completely rule it out.

Chrismario:


I'm denying it just like you, my problem is his(Komekm's) steady criticisms even when it seems to be none. Sentiment is just universal issue that touches all corners of human endeavor

DrLikita12:


For the North I think part of the problem is that Northerners generally tend to live close to their hometowns so it's not as easy to run into them. I think most of the people who learn about the diversity of the North have come in contact with some Northerners either through NYSC or by living in the North- Jos, Kaduna, Gombe, Yola, etc. And some people know of the diversity but choose to use it only when the political narrative suits them.
I think Yakubu Gowon's state creation was helpful for minority ethnic groups even though I wish he had done a few things differently. Heads of State after him didn't need to add more states.

safarigirl:
like my father says, nobody is really an Igbo man. Even my people will tell you they are not Igbo, but it depends on the scenario. People are only Igbo when it is favorable, some people swing both ways. Depending on the day you find them, they are Igbo, on some other days, they are not. Even the Ikwerre people who are the most stubborn as regards this, they still sometimes refer to themselves as Igbo.


Do not judge a man by what he says, judge a man by his actions.

Icon4s:


You know the funny thing? It is even those who are far that are magnifying this "Aniomas, Ika, Ikwerre, Etche " people are not Igbos.

Na dem know o

Danielnino00:



The egunje thing is the Komekn way jare.. There was this decision on this thread sometimes ago about why Ovie Ejaria was dropped from the u-17 set up.. Oga Southgate said it was because Ejaria didn't settle some people whereas the truth was that the boy had academic and club commitment in his way.. Similar thing was said of Sone Aluko and Dominic Iorfa

Danielnino00:
Iwobi not listed in the arsenal team to face Newcastle.. What's happening

Moses too....


Ndidi starts for Leicester while Iheanacho is back to the bench


Super eagles prospect Billing starts for Huddersfield who take on crystal palace

safarigirl:
Nothing you said here justifies what you stated about "people from that part of the country"



However, doesn't Moses have ties to that part of the country? Shouldn't the team be more wary of Moses who allegedly has some contact with Benin? Or does his being UK-bred make him unAfrican?


The rest of your statement is laced with ignorance as well. Why do Africans always find the negative in their cultural and religious practices? So, because Senegalese players were practicing certain rituals that white people are exposed to, it is obviously juju and that is so bad? What is the difference between African Traditional Religion and the white man's Christianity? Why do black people look upon their own religious practices as evil and negative while the rituals done by the whites is not evil? The consecration of the body of Christ in the Catholic Church is a ritual, but nobody looks upon it as evil, the pouring of anointing oil on heads is a ritual, but nobody calls it 'diabolic', but an African man takes out some powder and a calabash and boom! He is diabolical.


I am sorry for you people and this warped sense of thinking. It is one of the great reasons why the black man will forever remain in the shadows, because h has no sense of self and has adopted that his ways and his culture are evil and whatever the white man does must be right.

ChrisKels:


A village has the name okpara Okoro and u never cared to know how the name came about since u claim to be smart.

It only means okpara Okoro was the first settler in that land and those people living there today are his offsprings and in proper igbo tradition, they cant inter marry


Now, tell me the overwhelming consideration of tribal definition, I wan learn more

safarigirl:
Nothing you said here justifies what you stated about "people from that part of the country"



However, doesn't Moses have ties to that part of the country? Shouldn't the team be more wary of Moses who allegedly has some contact with Benin? Or does his being UK-bred make him unAfrican?


The rest of your statement is laced with ignorance as well. Why do Africans always find the negative in their cultural and religious practices? So, because Senegalese players were practicing certain rituals that white people are exposed to, it is obviously juju and that is so bad? What is the difference between African Traditional Religion and the white man's Christianity? Why do black people look upon their own religious practices as evil and negative while the rituals done by the whites is not evil? The consecration of the body of Christ in the Catholic Church is a ritual, but nobody looks upon it as evil, the pouring of anointing oil on heads is a ritual, but nobody calls it 'diabolic', but an African man takes out some powder and a calabash and boom! He is diabolical.


I am sorry for you people and this warped sense of thinking. It is one of the great reasons why the black man will forever remain in the shadows, because h has no sense of self and has adopted that his ways and his culture are evil and whatever the white man does must be right.

Joebie:
It appears we are saying the same thing. They are not Hausas, but how you apply your divide-and-rule logic here remains my question

safarigirl:
na the divide and rule now. Telling cousins that they are not from the same family compound helps to ensure they never identify as one.

komekn:


My ancestral village came iis heavily influenced by the emergence of fan Igbo Prince who was banished from an Onitsha Kingdom over 400 years ago.

That Prince and his immediate clan inter married settled in the land and there was fusion of people's. My great grand father explained to me that one section of my village was called the Igbo side. However, that was in the last century.

Things have moved on and we have moved from Usobo to Uhrobo, we may have partly originated from the Igbo that doesn't make us Igbo. There are a number of influences from the Bini and Ijaw tribes.

People's evolve they do not remain static.

rabzy:


Africans have been scared silly of their own religion long before the white man came. Witches medicine men, evil forests, taboos, don't eat this, don't touch that, etc have made people live perpetually in fear for ages. Probably why it was easy for something more appealing to supplant it.

Icon4s:


On Divide and Rule in the North, are you telling me you don't know the effect of "Divide and Rule" in the North?

Please thread members forgive us for this digression we are discussing all for the good of Nigeria.

Prio to 1939 all we had were the Northern and Southern Regions. By 1939 the Southern Region was broken into the West and East.

At Independence, in 1960 we still had 3 Regions: The North, West, and Eastern Regions.

Along with the the 1963 constitution came the creation of the Midwestern Region carved out of the already existing Western Region. Meanwhile the North still remained one strong unified entity.

In 1967, following the declaration of Biafra, Gen. Yakubu Gowon broke up the Eastern Region into 3. This act which is largely responsible for the crack in the defense of the Biafran Territory was one of the greatest blows Ojukwu received. The South Eastern State (today's Cross River and Akwa-Ibom) and Rivers state (Today's Rivers and Bayelsa) were caved out of the Eastern Region. Meanwhile Lagos was carved out of the Western Region as the Federal Capital Territory. Now to the North, this was when the seed of separation was Sown after the Region remained United since amalgamation, which leads to the answer to your question.

The day Gowon divided the North was the day the Northern Unity developed fractures. In 1967, we had 6 states created out of the old Northern Region: Northwestern, Kano, North Eastern, Kwara, Kaduna, Benue-Plateau, and North Eastern state. People from each of these States started to develop their own identity subsequently. The middle belt awareness started creeping in as people from Kwara and Benue-Plateau states recognized there separate identity from the Core North.

Today they find it more convenient saying they are from the middle belt than to say they are from the North.

Let me give u a live example of how this Gowon's 1967 divide and rule policy has affected the North today. One of my security guards. who is from Plateau state, broke a bottle to stab an Igbo man who came for some maintenance work. What transpired between them? In the words of my security man: " I don dey tell this man make him no dey call me Aboki again. I no be Hausa. I be "Amo" from Plateau state". I paused and thought. What is Amo? I quickly figured out it is an Ethnic nationality in Plateau state.

So my brother, you see the length to which a Northern minority can go to defend his not being an Hausa man? That is a seed of Divide and Rule created by General Yakubu Gowon in an attempt to break up the Powers of the Old Eastern Region.

Can we go back to football now please....

komekn:


My ancestral village came iis heavily influenced by the emergence of fan Igbo Prince who was banished from an Onitsha Kingdom over 400 years ago.

That Prince and his immediate clan inter married settled in the land and there was fusion of people's. My great grand father explained to me that one section of my village was called the Igbo side. However, that was in the last century.

Things have moved on and we have moved from Usobo to Uhrobo, we may have partly originated from the Igbo that doesn't make us Igbo. There are a number of influences from the Bini and Ijaw tribes.

People's evolve they do not remain static.

Farzat:


And to further prove his support, he said that he has spoken to some prominent citizens of Agbor and they all denied being Igbos. is his purpose for speaking to those prominent citizens simply to find out if they are lgbos? How can someone who claim to be connected to almost foreign born players and prominent citizens be bent to a tribal arguments on nairaland. Something must be wrong somewhere.

rabzy:
Icons4 want to be throwing jabs and then ring the bell for end of the round.

Hmm..... Your knowledge of the north needs brushing or maybe you left out details on purpose. The Kanuri man has been fiercely independent for centuries, the TIvs instigated a strong riot based on ethnic identity long before Gowon made any decree.
The willinks commission of 1957 specifically looked at the agitation of minority groups who fear domination by the 3 major tribes. There was agitation for a Midwestern state in the west, calabar-ogoja-rivers in the east, and a middlebelt state in the north. The major reason it was Not implemented was that even after creating more states for the agitating states, other micro-minorities will still agitate that is, it will be an endless process.
After independence the only region that acquiesced to the yearning of the minority in their province was the western region, that says a lot about them.

Icon4s:


You must be from the part of Urhobo land that shares boundary with Igboland.

The effect of Ethnic Diffusion is common along ethnic boundaries. Some call it Ethnic corruption.

komekn:


This is not an argument.

It's a discourse on ethnic origin, if you go to the origins of Europe and it's differing nations it's very difficult to say who is purely English.

Where do you start ❓ The difference is they don't use it as the singular component for eligibility with regards to elected officials.

That's why Obama who many will define as an African became the president of the USA.

Meanwhile there are a lot of of you who exclude Nigerian origin players as FB and should not be in the SE.

Your great grand father, your father and self may have been born and brought up in Lagos. But according to many you are not from Lagos.

This discourse is not tribal it's academic discourse on ethnic origin. But because you are steeped in the mind set of tribalism you are blinded. As the good book says eyes but can not see. So steeped in the mindset or tribalism you can not decipher anything else.

So we are the architects of our own problems.