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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:47pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
He made a generalization there, I agree. I personally have heard the Aniomas lean either side. safarigirl: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:47pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Joebie:the Tiv, Berom and Jukun people are not Hausa and do not speak Hausa as a language AT ALL and bear no Hausa names, so they cannot be Hausa The Ikwerre, Ika and Kwale people on the other hand, speak Igbo and bear Igbo names. This makes then Igbo, same as the Okun man who speaks Yoruba and bears a Yoruba name, he is Yoruba. The divide and rule on the other hand, makes him think he is not Yoruba. The logic is right on the money. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:50pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Joebie:like my father says, nobody is really an Igbo man. Even my people will tell you they are not Igbo, but it depends on the scenario. People are only Igbo when it is favorable, some people swing both ways. Depending on the day you find them, they are Igbo, on some other days, they are not. Even the Ikwerre people who are the most stubborn as regards this, they still sometimes refer to themselves as Igbo. Do not judge a man by what he says, judge a man by his actions. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by DrLikita12(f): 1:51pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Joebie: For the North I think part of the problem is that Northerners generally tend to live close to their hometowns so it's not as easy to run into them. I think most of the people who learn about the diversity of the North have come in contact with some Northerners either through NYSC or by living in the North- Jos, Kaduna, Gombe, Yola, etc. And some people know of the diversity but choose to use it only when the political narrative suits them. I think Yakubu Gowon's state creation was helpful for minority ethnic groups even though I wish he had done a few things differently. Heads of State after him didn't need to add more states. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:52pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
safarigirl: You know the funny thing? It is even those who are far that are magnifying this "Aniomas, Ika, Ikwerre, Etche " people are not Igbos. Na dem know o |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 1:52pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Joebie: The egunje thing is the Komekn way jare.. There was this decision on this thread sometimes ago about why Ovie Ejaria was dropped from the u-17 set up.. Oga Southgate said it was because Ejaria didn't settle some people whereas the truth was that the boy had academic and club commitment in his way.. Similar thing was said of Sone Aluko and Dominic Iorfa 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:56pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
I disagree with him to some extent in this. But I understand he is sentimental because of his perceived neglect of the England based FBs, so he is always quick to make generalizations. Tomorrow Ejaria would be called up. Maybe we would have to ask his parents if they had to pay the NFF. Chrismario: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:58pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Thank you. So for the most part we both agree on this issue DrLikita12: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:02pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
You are right. That’s why Nigerians in general need to be knowledgeable in this subject so if u tell me u no be Igbo I will respect it but would still know ur intentions lol. Modified And even some claim others for political/economic reasons safarigirl: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by DrLikita12(f): 2:03pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Iwobi not listed on today's line up. Is he still ill? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 2:04pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Icon4s:na the divide and rule now. Telling cousins that they are not from the same family compound helps to ensure they never identify as one. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 2:06pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Iwobi not listed in the arsenal team to face Newcastle.. What's happening ![]() Moses too.... Ndidi starts for Leicester while Iheanacho is back to the bench Super eagles prospect Billing starts for Huddersfield who take on crystal palace |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:06pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:08pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Danielnino00: Iwobi started training a day or two ago. Probably still short of full fitness. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:20pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
safarigirl: Most of the things you said I will not dispute however I will dispute the fact about the African Traditional Religion. Perfect case scenario, I had an elderly patient showing rudimentary signs of cancer although it was detected in the slightly late stage but it was still treatable so during counselling to get her psychologically ready so her body would accept the treatment I asked her if she knew how to pray that I would give her time to pray that it works, she said she does not believe in my God, fine and good I thought she was an atheist or probably believes in nature or something(naturally I do not believe in the atheist concept, man is a spiritual being and consciously or unconsciously he must believe in something) so I asked her what she believed in that I wouldn't mind, she said she believed in her grandfather's god, I became extremely curious so I asked her what or how she thinks we can involve the said god since during counselling you are taught to always follow the line adopted by the patient except when it is dangerous to the person's wellbeing. So after spending almost an hour loosening her up, she finally told me that it would require a sacrifice but that the next appointment i fixed is too soon for her to have completed the sacrifice of which I asked her what the sacrifice was about and she finally said it may require a human sacrifice since the illness is a dangerous one. Now I want you to understand the various stages here, first I accepted her religion, its her life not mine. Then she said she wants to go and make a sacrifice I agreed I mean even the money you pay as tithe is a sacrifice so no big deal, but then it turns out that her own sacrifice is detrimental to another human, that is where the problem starts from. ATR believes that for life to be given one must be taken away that is why it cannot be supported, that is why it is problematic. So you want to believe that if a king dies we should bury 10 virgins with him? You may call that one custom but there was this philosopher that explained that custom and religion cannot be differentiated from each other, so all these bad customs of ours back in the days was squarely due to our religion, so you think killing of twins made sense? Or you think eating human flesh is cool? There is this tribe I read about, whenever they want to go to war their god demands that they call someone from the opposing village and the warriors will feast on his flesh, that is religion supporting cannibalism, even the white abolished cannibalism in their own part of the world. 7 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 2:27pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
ChrisKels: My ancestral village came iis heavily influenced by the emergence of fan Igbo Prince who was banished from an Onitsha Kingdom over 400 years ago. That Prince and his immediate clan inter married settled in the land and there was fusion of people's. My great grand father explained to me that one section of my village was called the Igbo side. However, that was in the last century. Things have moved on and we have moved from Usobo to Uhrobo, we may have partly originated from the Igbo that doesn't make us Igbo. There are a number of influences from the Bini and Ijaw tribes. People's evolve they do not remain static. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by rabzy: 2:30pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
safarigirl: Africans have been scared silly of their own religion long before the white man came. Witches medicine men, evil forests, taboos, don't eat this, don't touch that, etc have made people live perpetually in fear for ages. Probably why it was easy for something more appealing to supplant it. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:35pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Joebie: On Divide and Rule in the North, are you telling me you don't know the effect of "Divide and Rule" in the North? Please thread members forgive us for this digression we are discussing all for the good of Nigeria. Prio to 1939 all we had were the Northern and Southern Regions. By 1939 the Southern Region was broken into the West and East. At Independence, in 1960 we still had 3 Regions: The North, West, and Eastern Regions. Along with the the 1963 constitution came the creation of the Midwestern Region carved out of the already existing Western Region. Meanwhile the North still remained one strong unified entity. In 1967, following the declaration of Biafra, Gen. Yakubu Gowon broke up the Eastern Region into 3. This act which is largely responsible for the crack in the defense of the Biafran Territory was one of the greatest blows Ojukwu received. The South Eastern State (today's Cross River and Akwa-Ibom) and Rivers state (Today's Rivers and Bayelsa) were caved out of the Eastern Region. Meanwhile Lagos was carved out of the Western Region as the Federal Capital Territory. Now to the North, this was when the seed of separation was Sown after the Region remained United since amalgamation, which leads to the answer to your question. The day Gowon divided the North was the day the Northern Unity developed fractures. In 1967, we had 6 states created out of the old Northern Region: Northwestern, Kano, North Eastern, Kwara, Kaduna, Benue-Plateau, and North Eastern state. People from each of these States started to develop their own identity subsequently. The middle belt awareness started creeping in as people from Kwara and Benue-Plateau states recognized their separate identity from the Core North. Today they find it more convenient saying they are from the middle belt than to say they are from the North. Let me give u a live example of how this Gowon's 1967 divide and rule policy has affected the North today. One of my security guards. who is from Plateau state, broke a bottle to stab an Igbo man who came for some maintenance work. What transpired between them? In the words of my security man: " I don dey tell this man make him no dey call me Aboki again. I no be Hausa. I be "Amo" from Plateau state". I paused and thought. What is Amo? I quickly figured out it is an Ethnic nationality in Plateau state. So my brother, you see the length to which a Northern minority can go to defend his not being an Hausa man? That is a seed of Divide and Rule created by General Yakubu Gowon in an attempt to break up the Powers of the Old Eastern Region. Can we go back to football now please.... 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:37pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
safarigirl: Exactly. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:37pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
komekn: In embryology we have three germ layers from which all other parts of the human body develop. Now this does not men that ERM...the dermis for example develops entirely from one germ cell, no it can develop from say the ectoderm and another type of cell say the mesenchyme but then nobody cares about the effect of the mesenchyne we say the dermis develops from the ectoderm(my knwolegde of embryology is no longer as good as it used to be but I still remember this part). So saying the Anioma people developed from an Igbo man yet they are not Igbo is totally wrong, your ancestor determines your origin, in fact if we establish that the Igbos are Jews (which I do not totally believe in because I am sure Abia people aren't exactly Jews because we have a lot of traditions in common with river areas like Edo and our languages are kinda similar too except it was caused by language contact which is what we were taught to believe though) then we can as well say that Aniomas are Jews since their own development too can be traced there. EOD |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:44pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
rabzy: if you think eradicating ATR was easy then you are wrong. The human mind is channeled in such a way that anything that works becomes accepted, if you eat the leaf of a medicinal tree today and it works wonders for you you will come back, so also back in the days the gods used to work, or so it seemed, so everybody accepted it. Where the problem started from was when you see another one, the main God that wont ask you to kill your brother to become healthy again, first you may resist a little but at the end of the day you will be won over, especially if the said God now seems to have more powers than the ones looking for blood but the normal human mind is wired to resist sudden change so still it took time. A perfect example would be Chinua Achebe's duology especially Things Fall Apart, you will see how difficult it was even for the Osus' to join the new religion although they had nothing to lose |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:45pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Victor Moses not listed in Chelsea's match day squad. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:49pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Icon4s: May I add also that what escalated the problem was the abolishment at some point of history as a core secondary school subject. Even under that divide and rule my dad would always tell me that his Port Harcourt friends could fight to defend their Igbo origin but then it got worse along the way. Note if you go to school every morning and your teacher reminds you that you were carved out from here then you will never forget your origin, but when you can only read it in your leisure time, which by the way we hardly have here in Nigeria, you will eventually lose track of where you are coming from. History is a funny thing because it can all so easily change to a myth and be totally forgotten and even grownups will forget where they are from |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:52pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
komekn: You must be from the part of Urhobo land that shares boundary with Igboland. The effect of Ethnic Diffusion is common along ethnic boundaries. Some call it Ethnic corruption. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by rabzy: 2:56pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Icons4 want to be throwing jabs and then ring the bell for end of the round. Hmm..... Your knowledge of the north needs brushing or maybe you left out details on purpose. The Kanuri man has been fiercely independent for centuries, the TIvs instigated a strong riot based on ethnic identity long before Gowon made any decree. The willinks commission of 1957 specifically looked at the agitation of minority groups who fear domination by the 3 major tribes. There was agitation for a Midwestern state in the west, calabar-ogoja-rivers in the east, and a middlebelt state in the north. The major reason it was Not implemented was that even after creating more states for the agitating states, other micro-minorities will still agitate that is, it will be an endless process. After independence the only region that acquiesced to the yearning of the minority in their province was the western region, that says a lot about them. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 3:01pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
History has taking over |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:02pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Farzat: This is not an argument. It's a discourse on ethnic origin, if you go to the origins of Europe and it's differing nations it's very difficult to say who is purely English. Where do you start ![]() That's why Obama who many will define as an African became the president of the USA. Meanwhile there are a lot of of you who exclude Nigerian origin players as FB and should not be in the SE. Your great grand father, your father and self may have been born and brought up in Lagos. But according to many you are not from Lagos. This discourse is not tribal it's academic discourse on ethnic origin. But because you are steeped in the mind set of tribalism you are blinded. As the good book says eyes but can not see. So steeped in the mindset or tribalism you can not decipher anything else. So we are the architects of our own problems. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:05pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
rabzy: Agreed without one iota of reservation. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:08pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Icon4s: Exactly. Funny, I speak Igbo better than my own ethnic tongue. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:09pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
[quote author=rabzy post=71225291]Icons4 want to be throwing jabs and then ring the bell for end of the round. Hmm..... Your knowledge of the north needs brushing or maybe you left out details on purpose. The Kanuri man has been fiercely independent for centuries, the TIvs instigated a strong riot based on ethnic identity long before Gowon made any decree. The willinks commission of 1957 specifically looked at the agitation of minority groups who fear domination by the 3 major tribes. There was agitation for a Midwestern state in the west, calabar-ogoja-rivers in the east, and a middlebelt state in the north. The major reason it was Not implemented was that even after creating more states for the agitating states, other micro-minorities will still agitate that is, it will be an endless process. After independence the only region that acquiesced to the yearning of the minority in their province was the western region, that says a lot about them. /quote] Hahaha seems we have so many students of History here. Na make we no derail thread o. I couldn't have given all the details. I am very much aware of the Kanuri up rising and their El-Kanemi and Idris Aloma stuff. Same with the Tiv agitation and what have you. But prior to 1967 as far as the Federation was concerned the North tabled their matters as a common front. Do you know the Igbos suffered the highest casualties of the 1966 Riots in the Middle Belt more than in the Core North? Then the average middle-beltan could defend the Northern agenda with his last blood. Not same today in 2018. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:16pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
komekn: My brother ethnicity and Next Religion are the major causes of the problems we have in Nigeria today. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:16pm On Sep 15, 2018 |
Vardy is currently showing Iheanacho what he nerds to be doing at Leicester. Nobody is going to adjust their style of play to suit their backup striker, you either adapt or get relegated permanently to the bench |
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