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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by rabzy: 3:21pm On Sep 15, 2018
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Did you also take into consideration how many middle belt officers lost their lives in the first coup. Could it be a major factor in their reaction. People are not static, they relate and react based on experiences, people identify and de-identify with people and states based on collective experiences and events over a course of time. If you have identified with a course previously based on shared common interests, you can decide to alienate yourself and redefine if the reasons are no longer tenable. It's just the way we are as humans.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 3:22pm On Sep 15, 2018
Chrismario:



NFF is not the only FA with controversy, stop shifting the fault to to them. And yes, some of Vicmo's behavior implied lack of commitment
As a WB Vic.Mo is our best but as a winger Onyekuru and Kalu are far far better than him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:28pm On Sep 15, 2018
The concept of sacrifice originated with the Almighty God. The account of Abraham and his son Isaac spelled out the limit — What God permits. Even Jesus Christ sacrificed his human life for us all. Christianity is not a white religion as some may claim. Christianity is an extension of God’s chosen Israelites, which by his grace is now spiritual Israelites which accomodates people of all nations who would willingly accept Christ’s sacrifice. There have always been people who served other God’s right from time. But I understand, you are talking about something that has to do with placebo? ?

Mickael2:



Most of the things you said I will not dispute however I will dispute the fact about the African Traditional Religion. Perfect case scenario, I had an elderly patient showing rudimentary signs of cancer although it was detected in the slightly late stage but it was still treatable so during counselling to get her psychologically ready so her body would accept the treatment I asked her if she knew how to pray that I would give her time to pray that it works, she said she does not believe in my God, fine and good I thought she was an atheist or probably believes in nature or something(naturally I do not believe in the atheist concept, man is a spiritual being and consciously or unconsciously he must believe in something) so I asked her what she believed in that I wouldn't mind, she said she believed in her grandfather's god, I became extremely curious so I asked her what or how she thinks we can involve the said god since during counselling you are taught to always follow the line adopted by the patient except when it is dangerous to the person's wellbeing. So after spending almost an hour loosening her up, she finally told me that it would require a sacrifice but that the next appointment i fixed is too soon for her to have completed the sacrifice of which I asked her what the sacrifice was about and she finally said it may require a human sacrifice since the illness is a dangerous one. Now I want you to understand the various stages here, first I accepted her religion, its her life not mine. Then she said she wants to go and make a sacrifice I agreed I mean even the money you pay as tithe is a sacrifice so no big deal, but then it turns out that her own sacrifice is detrimental to another human, that is where the problem starts from. ATR believes that for life to be given one must be taken away that is why it cannot be supported, that is why it is problematic. So you want to believe that if a king dies we should bury 10 virgins with him? You may call that one custom but there was this philosopher that explained that custom and religion cannot be differentiated from each other, so all these bad customs of ours back in the days was squarely due to our religion, so you think killing of twins made sense? Or you think eating human flesh is cool? There is this tribe I read about, whenever they want to go to war their god demands that they call someone from the opposing village and the warriors will feast on his flesh, that is religion supporting cannibalism, even the white abolished cannibalism in their own part of the world.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:31pm On Sep 15, 2018
rabzy:


Did you also take into consideration how many middle belt officers lost their lives in the first coup. Could it be a major factor in their reaction. People are not static, they relate and react based on experiences, people identify and de-identify with people and states based on collective experiences and events over a course of time. If you have identified with a course previously based on shared common interests, you can decide to alienate yourself and redefine if the reasons are no longer tenable. It's just the way we are as humans.

Ahmadu Bello and Tafawa Balewa were not from the Middle Belt were they?

I don't have a detailed account of the Northern Army officers that died in that coup but these two I mentioned were the two Core Northerners consumed by the coup.

Well, you may be right. Because the Core of the Nigerian Army then and till date are men of the Middle Belt.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:37pm On Sep 15, 2018
maidaboi:
History has taking over
No vex. Sometimes one argument leads to the other. We'll get back to football as quickly as possible.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 3:38pm On Sep 15, 2018
komekn:


I am sorry to use the term Ignorance but it's something I come across quite often.

Some people have such limited life experience and parochial view of Nigeria that they think Uhrobo, Ijaw, Ikwrre, Ogoni, etc are Ibo.

The Anioma people of Delta may be related to the Igbo but do not consider themselves as Igbo, I mean the Ika, Kwale, people to mention just a few.

First of all, a nation is a nation if he call itself a nation.

Therefore, if any tribe call themselves whatever in a larger proportion, so they are, though we can have at the back of our mind their true origin for academic purposes only.


This brings me to agree with you after many encounters with ikwerre, kwale and ika that they are not Igbo because they wish not to be called so but rather see themselves as Ikwerre nation, kwale nation, Igala nation Edo nation etc. I don't know about Ogoni.

That can also be said of Itshekiri who don't see themselves as Yoruba but as Itshekiri nation though their monarch and political leaders have associated and formed a coalition with the Afenifere and other Yoruba whatever.

Let me also draw your attention to Anioma people of Delta state. It is not a tribe, it's a composition of different Tribes coming under one umbrella Anioma.

Some Benin, some Igbo, some Isoko, some Igala and to your amazement Yoruba made the composition that formed Anioma for political reasons. Yes! Yoruba. This group is called Olukumi people. They are located in the Aniocha North local government and belongs to the Odiani clan which occupies 8 communities in Aniomaland. But have adopted Igbo culture in terms of kingship, names, etcetera except its Olukumi language.

Someone like Nduka Ugbade is an Olukumi indigen though he bares Igbo name.

However, how they see themselves now matters.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 3:48pm On Sep 15, 2018
Leicester down by 3-0
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by sontoly: 3:52pm On Sep 15, 2018
Mickael2:
Vardy is currently showing Iheanacho what he nerds to be doing at Leicester. Nobody is going to adjust their style of play to suit their backup striker, you either adapt or get relegated permanently to the bench

And they are choping it

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TEGADR: 3:59pm On Sep 15, 2018
Mickael2:



In embryology we have three germ layers from which all other parts of the human body develop. Now this does not men that ERM...the dermis for example develops entirely from one germ cell, no it can develop from say the ectoderm and another type of cell say the mesenchyme but then nobody cares about the effect of the mesenchyne we say the dermis develops from the ectoderm(my knwolegde of embryology is no longer as good as it used to be but I still remember this part). So saying the Anioma people developed from an Igbo man yet they are not Igbo is totally wrong, your ancestor determines your origin, in fact if we establish that the Igbos are Jews (which I do not totally believe in because I am sure Abia people aren't exactly Jews because we have a lot of traditions in common with river areas like Edo and our languages are kinda similar too except it was caused by language contact which is what we were taught to believe though) then we can as well say that Aniomas are Jews since their own development too can be traced there. EOD

are you a medic... cus am one
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 3:59pm On Sep 15, 2018
komekn:


My ancestral village came iis heavily influenced by the emergence of fan Igbo Prince who was banished from an Onitsha Kingdom over 400 years ago.

That Prince and his immediate clan inter married settled in the land and there was fusion of people's. My great grand father explained to me that one section of my village was called the Igbo side. However, that was in the last century.

Things have moved on and we have moved from Usobo to Uhrobo, we may have partly originated from the Igbo that doesn't make us Igbo. There are a number of influences from the Bini and Ijaw tribes.

People's evolve they do not remain static.



All the offspring of that said man are Igbos from generations to generations, it doesnt matter where they are born or the circumstances. That u are an American with a black skin doesnt make u less an African, despite the circumstances. In Okpara Okoro's case, he even has his place named after him, thats to remind his generations to come who they are and where they are from. The land may not be an igbo land but the inhabitants are Igbos, talking about Okpara Okoro

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TEGADR: 4:00pm On Sep 15, 2018
Daninya11:
Leicester down by 3-0
the deluded coach doesn't see the life ih brings to the game
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 4:10pm On Sep 15, 2018
EEGA:
As a WB Vic.Mo is our best but as a winger Onyekuru and Kalu are far far better than him.

This is what I have been telling them but out of whatever, they thought I was hating on the boy. Vicmo is a nobody as a winger, Onyekuru, Kalu and SiMoses are all better than him, but as a WB, he is up there with the bests in the world.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:16pm On Sep 15, 2018
TEGADR:


are you a medic... cus am one

Yes actually. What's your specialty? Is it the two finger job??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by martinz1: 4:16pm On Sep 15, 2018
wow
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TEGADR: 4:19pm On Sep 15, 2018
Mickael2:

Yes actually. What's your specialty? Is it the two finger job??
cheesy am still a bloody student o.. 300l
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by dreamwords: 4:20pm On Sep 15, 2018
forgiveness:


First of all, a nation is a nation if he call itself a nation.

Therefore, if any tribe call themselves whatever in a larger proportion, so they are, though we can have at the back of our mind their true origin for academic purposes only.


This brings me to agree with you after many encounters with ikwerre, kwale and ika that they are not Igbo because they wish not to be called so but rather see themselves as Ikwerre nation, kwale nation, Igala nation Edo nation etc. I don't know about Ogoni.

That can also be said of Itshekiri who don't see themselves as Yoruba but as Itshekiri nation though their monarch and political leaders have associated and formed a coalition with the Afenifere and other Yoruba whatever.

Let me also draw your attention to Anioma people of Delta state. It is not a tribe, it's a composition of different Tribes coming under one umbrella Anioma.

Some Benin, some Igbo, some Isoko, some Igala and to your amazement Yoruba made the composition that formed Anioma for political reasons. Yes! Yoruba. This group is called Olukumi people. They are located in the Aniocha North local government and belongs to the Odiani clan which occupies 8 communities in Aniomaland. But have adopted Igbo culture in terms of kingship, names, etcetera except its Olukumi language.

Someone like Nduka Ugbade is an Olukumi indigen though he bares Igbo name.

However, how they see themselves now matters.







u are not making sense, anioma are name given to igbo speaking tribes of delta state, anybody can claim that his grand father originated from anywhere, thats his own cup of tea. what we know is anioma is igbo speaking part of delta state, just like we have igbo speaking people of south east
ani means land igbo
anioma --good land
aniocha---whiteland
anuani---upland
ukwuani--lowland

also,, ikwerre people are one of other igbo speaking groups of rivers state,,

you gave example of Nduka Ugbade.. or whatever you call it,,,my causines name is funke and she is igbo,she answers yoruba name too because her mum is from yoruba

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:21pm On Sep 15, 2018
Joebie:
The concept of sacrifice originated with the Almighty God. The account of Abraham and his son Isaac spelled out the limit — What God permits. Even Jesus Christ sacrificed his human life for us all. Christianity is not a white religion as some may claim. Christianity is an extension of God’s chosen Israelites, which by his grace is now spiritual Israelites which accomodates people of all nations who would willingly accept Christ’s sacrifice. There have always been people who served other God’s right from time. But I understand, you are talking about something that has to do with placebo? ?







Errr, I wouldn't exactly call it placebo, it does have an efdct on your psychology which is at the end of the day important in any treatment. Sacrifice originated from God no doubt but even Jesus chose between staying back in heaven and dying for us and besides His death wasn't exactly similar to the sacrifices we learn about in ATR.


Yes Christianity is a modification of the Jewish way of life, every country is allowed to make one or two modifications to suit their own lifestyle which is why it is very funny when people start calling it the white man's religion
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:22pm On Sep 15, 2018
Ebere Eze with a goal for QPR

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 4:24pm On Sep 15, 2018
Mickael2:
Vardy is currently showing Iheanacho what he nerds to be doing at Leicester. Nobody is going to adjust their style of play to suit their backup striker, you either adapt or get relegated permanently to the bench
hope the dude has hit a brace in these match...
just looking for any means to ridicule nancho...
mtcheeew


Eze should be invited in the squad against Libya we can't afford to loose that young boy to Scotland.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 4:25pm On Sep 15, 2018
tbaba1234:
Ebere Eze with a goal for QPR
He should be invited in the match against Libya
while waiting for lookman he should be drafted in quickly.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:25pm On Sep 15, 2018
Sir i Only asked about the North. Are u saying people of other ethnicities always saw themselves as Hausas until Gowon did what he did. Saying I’m from the North is not the same as saying I’m Hausa. Political regions and tribes are two separate entities. What am I saying here? Just because we now have Niger-Delta, does not stop an Urhobo man from knowing his distinct roots as different from an Igbo man. I’m not tying to go political with this discussion. My focus has been Nigerians should learn what makes the many tribes in this country unique. Just as Safarigirl pointed out people change identities for political/economic reasons, but having the said knowledge would even make everyone aware of each other’s intentions whenever the situation calls for it.

Icon4s:




On Divide and Rule in the North, are you telling me you don't know the effect of "Divide and Rule" in the North?

Please thread members forgive us for this digression we are discussing all for the good of Nigeria.

Prio to 1939 all we had were the Northern and Southern Regions. By 1939 the Southern Region was broken into the West and East.

At Independence, in 1960 we still had 3 Regions: The North, West, and Eastern Regions.

Along with the the 1963 constitution came the creation of the Midwestern Region carved out of the already existing Western Region. Meanwhile the North still remained one strong unified entity.

In 1967, following the declaration of Biafra, Gen. Yakubu Gowon broke up the Eastern Region into 3. This act which is largely responsible for the crack in the defense of the Biafran Territory was one of the greatest blows Ojukwu received. The South Eastern State (today's Cross River and Akwa-Ibom) and Rivers state (Today's Rivers and Bayelsa) were caved out of the Eastern Region. Meanwhile Lagos was carved out of the Western Region as the Federal Capital Territory. Now to the North, this was when the seed of separation was Sown after the Region remained United since amalgamation, which leads to the answer to your question.

The day Gowon divided the North was the day the Northern Unity developed fractures. In 1967, we had 6 states created out of the old Northern Region: Northwestern, Kano, North Eastern, Kwara, Kaduna, Benue-Plateau, and North Eastern state. People from each of these States started to develop their own identity subsequently. The middle belt awareness started creeping in as people from Kwara and Benue-Plateau states recognized their separate identity from the Core North.

Today they find it more convenient saying they are from the middle belt than to say they are from the North.

Let me give u a live example of how this Gowon's 1967 divide and rule policy has affected the North today. One of my security guards. who is from Plateau state, broke a bottle to stab an Igbo man who came for some maintenance work. What transpired between them? In the words of my security man: " I don dey tell this man make him no dey call me Aboki again. I no be Hausa. I be "Amo" from Plateau state". I paused and thought. What is Amo? I quickly figured out it is an Ethnic nationality in Plateau state.

So my brother, you see the length to which a Northern minority can go to defend his not being an Hausa man? That is a seed of Divide and Rule created by General Yakubu Gowon in an attempt to break up the Powers of the Old Eastern Region.

Can we go back to football now please....





Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 4:26pm On Sep 15, 2018
Ebere Eze doing his thing once more even with a goal to his name as his team lead Bolton away by 2goals to nil. Tomorrow now, the blind bat would over look him for a Porto B player. Clueless man
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 4:27pm On Sep 15, 2018
Anthony Ujah continues his life after China with another goal for Mainz

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:29pm On Sep 15, 2018
I wasn’t implying Jesus Christ’s sacrifice was the same. But as we know the devil na copy copy, but always to a negative end.

Modified
Isn’t placebo psychological?

Mickael2:




Errr, I wouldn't exactly call it placebo, it does have an efdct on your psychology which is at the end of the day important in any treatment. Sacrifice originated from God no doubt but even Jesus chose between staying back in heaven and dying for us and besides His death wasn't exactly similar to the sacrifices we learn about in ATR.


Yes Christianity is a modification of the Jewish way of life, every country is allowed to make one or two modifications to suit their own lifestyle which is why it is very funny when people start calling it the white man's religion
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 4:30pm On Sep 15, 2018
Humility017:

hope the dude has hit a brace in these match...
just looking for any means to ridicule nancho...
mtcheeew


Eze should be invited in the squad against Libya we can't afford to loose that young boy to Scotland.

That lunatic go still over look him for some Academy players from God knows where. He is a dumb coach
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:30pm On Sep 15, 2018
ChrisKels:
Ebere Eze doing his thing once more even with a goal to his name as his team lead Bolton away by 2goals to nil. Tomorrow now, the blind bat would over look him for a Porto B player. Clueless man

For somebody who has never coached a team in his life you would be stupid to call another person a blind bat

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:31pm On Sep 15, 2018
[s]
ChrisKels:


That lunatic go still over look him for some Academy players from God knows where. He is a dumb coach
[/s]

You might well go and hang yourself
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:33pm On Sep 15, 2018
I understand that. But if they think their claiming Yoruba or Igbo as the case may be would benefit them won’t they change their identity again? Leave that divide and rule matter. Aniomas know their origin. Don’t they understand an Igbo man when he speaks?
safarigirl:
the Tiv, Berom and Jukun people are not Hausa and do not speak Hausa as a language AT ALL and bear no Hausa names, so they cannot be Hausa

The Ikwerre, Ika and Kwale people on the other hand, speak Igbo and bear Igbo names. This makes then Igbo, same as the Okun man who speaks Yoruba and bears a Yoruba name, he is Yoruba. The divide and rule on the other hand, makes him think he is not Yoruba.


The logic is right on the money.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:35pm On Sep 15, 2018
Joebie:
I wasn’t implying Jesus Christ’s sacrifice was the same. But as we know the devil na copy copy, but always to a negative end.

Modified
Isn’t placebo psychological?



From what we know placebo is an end in itself. Let's say you tell someone to take a lot of cassava because they are suffering from conjunctivitis now that cassava has absolutely no effect on his eyes but because a doctor said so he might actually get cured, that's what placebo is...I believe. But this one is just psychologically getting the patient ready to receive the proper treatment which is just a means to an end which is why I said I am not totally sure I would call it placebo but even if you you wouldn't be totally wrong.


Na the devil's copy copy dey confuse people most times, I totally agree. Like some confraternities drink actual human blood and they will be like isnt that what you also drink
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 4:35pm On Sep 15, 2018
History class is in session.

Come and write attendance o..

grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 4:37pm On Sep 15, 2018
forgiveness:


First of all, a nation is a nation if he call itself a nation.

Therefore, if any tribe call themselves whatever in a larger proportion, so they are, though we can have at the back of our mind their true origin for academic purposes only.


This brings me to agree with you after many encounters with ikwerre, kwale and ika that they are not Igbo because they wish not to be called so but rather see themselves as Ikwerre nation, kwale nation, Igala nation Edo nation etc. I don't know about Ogoni.

That can also be said of Itshekiri who don't see themselves as Yoruba but as Itshekiri nation though their monarch and political leaders have associated and formed a coalition with the Afenifere and other Yoruba whatever.

Let me also draw your attention to Anioma people of Delta state. It is not a tribe, it's a composition of different Tribes coming under one umbrella Anioma.

Some Benin, some Igbo, some Isoko, some Igala and to your amazement Yoruba made the composition that formed Anioma for political reasons. Yes! Yoruba. This group is called Olukumi people. They are located in the Aniocha North local government and belongs to the Odiani clan which occupies 8 communities in Aniomaland. But have adopted Igbo culture in terms of kingship, names, etcetera except its Olukumi language.

Someone like Nduka Ugbade is an Olukumi indigen though he bares Igbo name.

However, how they see themselves now matters.






my attitude 2 issues of tribal identity is to respect the opinions of peoples from the said community. If they call themselves whatever name even though their language and culture says otherwise who am I to disagree. Australians even though we know their ancestors were originally from britain we don't say they're british but australians same way americans or canadians even though most of their people originally came from england. Even though some communities in Edo state speak and bear yoruba names we can't insist they are yorubas if they choose not to identify themselves as such. Like you I have met friends and colleagues from kwale, ika areas who insist they are not Igbo. I know a lot of ikwerres also do that as well

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 4:37pm On Sep 15, 2018
Etebo is also doing well today as a RM. They lead 1-2 away

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