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Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 4:48pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
johnw47: Brother, Why are you laughing at him? That's a beautiful answer to the question I posed. He answered with scripture...saying that he is a student of the Word. I asked him the question cause the brother obviously goes deep into the Word. He's trying....which says a whole lot. Now he and I have disagreed in the past on some points of doctrine (and probably will in the future )....and his "wit" and "humor" (sometimes inappropriately...don't bash me MuttleyLaff) is second to none. However, those of us who claim Christianity need to discuss issues lovingly and respectfully. 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 5:02pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Alright guys, I don'[t even know where to start...so much has been discussed. But I wanted to look at the concept of what a "giant" is. Cause perhaps once we get the definition of a giant, maybe we can get a proper understanding of the scripture verse Genesis 6:4. Genesis 6:4 (KJV) 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Look at the chart below..... Noun 1. an imaginary or mythical being of human form but superhuman size. Adjective 1. of very great size or force; gigantic. I tend to think the second definition is more applicable to the chart. But most people have the first definition engraved in their minds. Anyone that is abnormal in height to an average-sized height is considered "gigantic".... Sorry folks if I have confused you all... I'll try to iron this all out and modify if needs be.
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Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 5:27pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
I've read that Adam and Eve were between 15-17 feet. Also the people of Noah's time were also large in structure. Is it possible that humans had gradually shrunk in size due to the increase of sin on the earth? So the original race was abnormally tall in our modern eyes... However due to certain genes, due to humans mating with humans, people (of the antidelluvian times) still were born with an abnormal height. I hope I'm not confusing people. See the pics below of basketball players. Basketball players are considered abnormal in height in comparison to the average 5'8"-5'9" man.
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Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 5:28pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Mobilia:I never knew we've crossed swords before Mobilia. Are you sure, we've disagreed, in the past, with each other on some points? Are you sure, you havent mistaken my moniker for another? If this is true, then I am now filled with curiosity, and so the obvious next to do, is to ask this question: What are the "some points of doctrine"? Mobilia:Mobilia, please, please... Please, I will crawl on broken glass for this. Please, I am on my knees, begging you, give me, examples of the "sometimes inappropriately" instances PS: Mobilia, isn't that Olajuwon aka "The Dream" in the pic above Shaq's |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 5:29pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: So I guess the devil is a celestial body since he gathered with the sons of God at the beginning of Job. LoLz! 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 5:30pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Lol....ok...will get some. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 5:35pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Yes...Think back to the "three musketeers" (Myself and 2 other brothers on the Sabbath issue).. Yes that is him! I decided to use one of Nigeria's finest.....to make an illustration...which I am gonna hopefully be able to further explain. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 6:05pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Mobilia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEmY0Edd39A For the listening pleasure of my bud, the esteemed budaatum & loveable sister Mobilia budaatum would remember the "♬ Ere kini, ẹ nse, labẹ igi...♪♫" intro beat Aw no, its my long lost sister, my sister from another mother. It's all water under the bridge now sister I think I'll have to start behaving, with you being around and/or on the block now Be prepared to be slated by those not ready for the truth I've got your back anyway. Any that mess with you, messes with me and will have me, with gloves off, to answer to. Y'all want this party started right? Y’all want this party started quickly right? Set it off I suggest y'all Mobilia let's get this party started... Yeah! Yeah! Feels like something's about to jump off in here! |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 6:15pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Lol....what a nice re-welcome my brother.... Thanks for the support too.... I've been through it all since being on this website ....ventured off into other NL rooms... had a blast in some...and not so much so in others. But I have come full circle back to where I originally started from on NL...the Religion section. I'll still venture "out" sometimes..but stay in here mainly. My skin has been re-thickened now for this almost 2 years of membership... Don't think anything can shake me at this point.... |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 6:31pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Mobilia:Back in the day, I used to do that, I mean venturing out The bible said go into the world, not the world come to you. So I deliberately used to pop my head into the Sexuality and Romance sections Soon enough, I come across monikers I've see in those sections, straying into and for awhile hanging about in the Religion section They wouldnt ordinarily pop in to the Religion section by themselves but must have clicked on my comments and this consequently must have led them to the Religion section I think I need to be of my best behaviour now, with you on board Nice having you back and around. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 6:38pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Thanks my brother....now you see why I was so shocked and humbled by your encouragement. Oh many of my posts (throughout NL) show that I'm still a "work in progress" myself... I lost my "religion" sometimes.... But God is a wonderful God who forgives when we humble ourselves to Him and apologize to folks. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Maamin(m): 6:56pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71204365]If you couldnt handle and get to grips with what sons of God really are in Job 38:7 Why don't you try me.. The really interesting thing is that, the use of the expression, sons of God, in Genesis 6:2 This still can't rule out the fact that they are angels. The early Christians and Patriarchs believed taught this. It is also clearly understood. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 7:10pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Maamin:Errr, Maamin. Errr, I dont know, whether, I should Maamin Maamin:It big time, does Maamin. It does big time rule out, that "the sons of God" in Job 1:6 & Job 2:1, just as with Job 38:7, does not mean angelic celestial beings Maamin:Please share how, where, when and most importantly, what the early believers and Patriarchs believed and taught. What you learned and what was clearly understood, is an invented/manufactured truth Maamin. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 7:25pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:I am impressed LordReed. Would you know that you're correct in that, the devil, is a celestial being? Of course, the devil is a celestial being. The devil, as a matter of fact, has a free pass, and enters everywhere on earth with it, to always poke nose into other people's affairs & business' This why, the devil in Job 2:1 and Job 3:6, was able to easily gather with the sons of God at the beginning of Job (i.e. Job 2:1 and Job 3:6) The devil, doesnt to anywhere on earth, really need a green light before popping head in or around. The devil has already been here and still is here on this thread, reading with keen interest and a rapt smile. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Maamin(m): 7:58pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71162476]Its bible talk, not my words. Are you now saying that Satan who also followed the sons of God to present himself is a Sun or Moon? Where and when were they called sons of God right before they fell? You know pretty well they were called the sons of God before they fell. It is so appalling that you choose to call the Sun and moon sons of God, but deny angels that are spirit beings and God's ministers who are closed to him and see him. When that scripture was revealed, was the "g" in God too, not in upper case or lower case, was the word simply just "god"? God or god, son or Son, Teacher or teacher, does it reduce the meaning behind the verbs?
Yes God only beget Jesus the Christ. So according to you God can not beget the angels as his Son but you will rather claim he beget Sun and Moon right? Laugh as best as you can It's kind of funny. It is just funny and unbelievable. "And God made two great lights; And what did God told Job after that? That the sons of God that were rejoicing and singing were sun, moon and stars? This you explanation is weak and unscriptural. All you context are based on nothing but your own personal interpretation. The first bold is what again? You mean the phrase "sons of God" carries different meanings that you wish to assign to it but not angels right? What dead on arrival point were you aiming to make with this remark? My point is that you are very very far away from what the bible teaches in those verses. How do you explain Satan who came together with the sons of God to resent himself as well? How do you explain the Spirits in prison? How do you explain angels that sinned that the bible talked about? Capital NO! |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Maamin(m): 8:01pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: It is only you reading your own meaning to those verses, you have not really refuted anything here. None of your explanations are coherent. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 8:40pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: You like accusing me of twisting your words, yet here you are so blatantly twisting mine. I wrote celestial body not celestial being. The sun and moon are celestial bodies so if the sun and moon are the sons of God then the sons of God are celestial bodies. If the sons of God gather then its a gathering of celestial bodies implying that Satan is a celestial body. LMFAO! |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 9:18pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:Is there a difference between celestial body and celestial being? I didnt think so LordReed:I have never read nor come across a discombobulated comment such as this before This is what happens, when someone tries too hard to sound half coherent |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 9:29pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: You are so fucking dishonest. You are a liar if you say you don't know the difference in meaning between celestial body and celestial being. And being caught out in fucking incoherence you project your silliness on to me. You said the sun and moon are the sons of God so how is the devil joining the congregation of the sun and moon aka sons of God and he is not a sun or moon? What a dishonest person you've turned out to be. Not that it's much of a surprise, having to do silly mental gymnastics will do that to a person. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Maamin(m): 9:45pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71260058]Is there a difference between celestial body and celestial being? Apart from that your position and understanding of this controversial topic is wrong. One thing I noticed about you is that you don't like to admit that you are wrong.
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Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 10:18pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:Is the devil a celestial being or not? LordReed:Can you kindly and correctly add that, I said, metaphorically, the sons of God, in Job 38:7 are the sun and moon. LordReed:Please, calm down and take a gulp of slow deep breaths in and then slowly exhale out You're mixing Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 together with Job 38:7 The sons of God, in Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 means something entirely different to the sons of God in Job 38:7 and besides, the devil never followed or gathered with anyone or anything in Job 38:7 Job 38:7, is a good 30-plus chapters faraway from Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 The meaning of the sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, isnt similar to the meaning of the sons of God in Job 38:7 Job 38:7 is about God taking Job to task, asking him about what he knows about creation and where was he during creation and particularly when the sun, moon and the constellation in the Genesis 1:16 account were present I know I've earlier reminded Maamin, that Context is King, I now say the same to you that learn that: Context is King Maamin:Admit that I am wrong about what? I would ask you the same question I asked your new found ally: Is the devil a celestial being or not a celestial being? Are you familiar of the crab mentality? You must do, you certainly do, otherwise you wouldnt have taken sides and pull such a publicity stunt like this. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Maamin(m): 10:38pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71261445] On like you, I will rather find my ally in the true teaching of the scripture. You said no difference between celestial being and celestial body. So I rolled out the definition of celestial body for you to see. MuttleyLaff: Celestial being is completely different from celestial body. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Maamin(m): 10:44pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Mobilia: The giants that were mentioned in the scripture are not 6feet giants but really tall and big in status about 12- 15 feet tall humans. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 10:45pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Gosh you are so full of shit, I can't even deal. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 10:51pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Maamin:You're making caustic comments one after the other, so I've pretended not to read this one Maamin:You're so incorrigible How many times, do I have to remind you about the "Context is King" useful rule of thumb? Do you know why I asked, if there's difference between celestial being and celestial body? Am I wrong in referring to the devil as a celestial being instead of a celestial body? Do you know why I consciously switched from using celestial body for the devil to using the phrase celestial being? You are making yourself be a tool in the devil's workshop Maamin:OK, Maamin, what to you, is the devil? Is the devil a celestial being or a celestial body? Or depending on preference, can the devil, be either a celestial being or a celestial body? |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 11:00pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Maamin: Right. I'm saying that the 12-15 feet tall humans were normal during that time period. I was saying that there were some people who may have been even taller than that and were therefore termed "giants". In today's society, the average height for a man is around 5'8-5'9. Anyone 6'0 or taller is considered "tall", but then basketball player's heights (which averages between 6'5-6'7) are considered giant in stature. We know that humans (mated with humans) and reproduced humans (some who have an extraordinary height). The same process that we humans use today (sexual activity) is the same process the antideluvians used back then. There was nothing supernatural about the process....meaning "angels" didn't mate with humans to produce a human of "giant" stature. I think that humans continued to decrease in size throughout the generations as sin became more rampant. 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 11:04pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
LordReed:No surprises. As you were punching above your weight Everything was bound to go over your head, so I am glad you wisely threw in the towel Good riddance to bad rubbish Now where is the air freshner when you need one? |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 11:07pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff, Just curious, but is the term "nephilim" ever used in the scriptures? |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 11:10pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Mobilia:Yeah, in black and white Before the flood, after the flood and at when the Israelite spies, on recce, went to Canaan |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 11:14pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Ok...maybe I overlooked the actual word. Cause I think folks get caught up on the term "fallen ones".... I thought it was a replacement for the word "giant". I'm gonna look more into it. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 11:18pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: LoL! You dishonest turd. Spray the air fresher for your stinky arse. LMFAO! |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 11:29pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Mobilia:The word "nephilim" is used interchangeably with the word giants LordReed:[img]https://s2/images/Screenshot-2018-9-17-celestial---Dictionary-Definition.png[/img] cc Maamin Who is not just a dishonest turd but also is, for this matter, a shameless ignorant one, now? Who were you suggesting has a stinking arse erh? 0bakuso was hot on your heels, all over you like a rash and I am now beginning to understand why on earth MrPresidente called you gaybriel |
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