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Break Up Nigeria Or Go Back To Regionalism– Ango Abdullahi / Yoruba Nation To Nigeria: Let's Restructure Or We Have Oduduwa Republic. / “you Are On Your Own If You Provoke War In Nigeria, Let Biafra Go” -arab League (2) (3) (4)
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by zendy: 11:58am On Jan 10, 2017 |
Ballmer: Your problem is that you dont Nigerian history well. What you have to understand is that Military rule is supposed to be a temporary thing. How can Ironsi have truncated Regionalism when the 4 Regions were still existing the day Ironsi died? Had Gowon not went on to divide the 4 Regions into 12 states, the same decree 34 Ironsi promulgated would have been removed whenever Civialian Rule returned ( Civilians never carry military decrees foward into a democracy) and we would still be practicing Regionalism. How can Gowon be making the best of the situation when he was the one that abolished the Regions, created states and took away resource control and fiscal responsibility? That is making things much worse cause not even Ironsi went that far. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by DecemberIV: 12:13pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Liar. The unification decree was by Aguiyi Ironsi an Ibo man. If he had left things intact, we would still have regionalism today and that's a fact. Enjoy your federal structure, nobody is restructuring again to satisfy your selfish desires. zendy: 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by jarkbauer: 12:16pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Let us create 12 regions out of the 6 geopolitical regions |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by zendy: 12:27pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
DecemberIV: Google Ironsi's unification decree if you dont know about it. Ironsi met 4 Region and he left 4 Regions when he died. Gowon met 4 Regions, by the time Gowon was leaving, the Regions were gone, we had 12 states and he was in the process of increasing it to 19. Dont speak out of ignorance. We are talking about Gowon who burnt the house down, you are busy talking about Ironsi who only rearranged the furniture. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by DecemberIV: 12:34pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
zendy: You're the one speaking out of ignorance. Ironsi decree established a unified civil service which effectively nullified regionalism. The fact remains that if Ironsi did not abolish the previous structure through the unification decree, nobody would be angling to return to it today. The bottom line is that nobody is restructuring nothing to fit the selfish desires of some sections of the country. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by zendy: 12:49pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
DecemberIV: Your just being mischevious .you are concerned that Ironsi unified the federal civil service but you dont care that Ironsi left resources control and fiscal responsibility which is even far important. Why arent you calling out Gowon who created states? We are talking about eho burnt the house down, you tslking about who rearranged the furniture. You are not seriouse. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by DecemberIV: 12:54pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
zendy: What is fiscal responsibility where a unified civil service is in place? Do you even know what you're talking about? In case you're yet to realize, Ironsi was the one who needlessly burnt down the perfectly fine house (unification decree), and nobody else. As I said, there's no going back. 4 Likes |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Deadlytruth(m): 8:10am On Jan 15, 2018 |
zendy: In SS2 Government classes I was taught that the civil service is the only apparatus through which the government actually governs as it is the government's tool for making policies and implementing them, generating revenue and allocating same. In fact the civil service is government and the government is the civil service. On that note, I wonder what gives you the conviction that a man who, through centralization, took away from the regions their civil service components ( the very institution through which they exercised their powers of autonomy, generated and allocated their revenues, and thus controlled their resources) did not by implication also effectively centralize the regions and all revenue sources existing within those regions thus killing resource control. Your rationalization that Ironsi still left the regions "intact" after centralizing their respective civil services is akin to rationalizing for a mechanic who removed the engine of your car but left the body intact. Of what use is the body without the engine? Is the intactness of administrative regions defined by mere form or the availability in it of its powers and the institutional framework by which it exercises those powers? Ironsi left the regions "intact' in a way that the regions could no longer performance the task of regional governance. Gowon's creation of states was even better as the states created had their civil services restored to them. How was Ironsi going to pay the salaries of the centralized civil service without eventually officially making another decree centralizing all revenue sources from which the respective regions were getting revenues to pay those civil servants prior to Ironsi's arrival on the scene? All deep logical analyses make it crystal clear that Ironsi was responsible for the dismantling of the perfectly working system of government we started with at independence. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Deadlytruth(m): 10:59pm On Feb 09, 2018 |
zendy: In SS2 Government I was taught that the civil service is the only institution through which a government exercises whatever powers it has. Meaning that the civil service is tool which the government uses to generate revenue, allocates same for projects, pays salaries of its workers and performs every other governmental function. In Essence, a government without a civil service is a farce and an illusion. Imagine you are made the governor of your state but your state's civil service is not answerable to you but to Abuja. Please what sort of government would you be able to run under such an arrangement? How will you generate revenue to embark on projects as a governor? Aguiyi Ironsi's centralization of the civil service was essentially a centralization of powers of the regions as no regional government would have been able to exercise its powers without its civil service. Your claim that he left the regions intact after centralizing the civil service is as illogical as the claim that a mechanic who stole the engine of your car did not really change anything about your car as long as he left the body intact after stealing the engine. Centralization of the civil service by Ironsi also automatically translated to the abolition of resource control. Or else how would Ironsi have been able to sustain the payment of the salaries of the centralized civil service without equally having centralized all regional sources of revenue from which their salaries were initially being paid by the premiers of their respective regions? Was Ironsi so rich that he could afford to pay the salaries of the centralized civil servants from his own pocket? The argument that Gowon's creation of twelves states killed federalism is a lame one because the issue in contention here is not about how many subnational units there were but how autonomous they were. Please recall that before Ironsi came on board a fourth subnational units (The Midwest) had been created and others like COR and Middle Belt were already being considered. In fact had the military not come the civilians would have still eventually ended up splitting the regions further on the long run with the constitutional autonomy trickling down to as many as would have resulted. So Gowon's action did not really cause any unwanted change. It was rather Ironsi that fundamentally altered the system by striping the regions and future states of their powers and autonomy through his centralization of the civil service. In summary, Ironsi centralized the civil service and thereby killed the regions. Simple! 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Deadlytruth(m): 4:36pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
mandarin: The bolded clearly evidences the fact that your knowledge of some parts of the country are founded not on personal research but on erroneous assumptions that have been peddled online for ages. Can you specifically name the Yoruba kinsmen native to Akoko-Edo? You must have been misled by the Akoko tag in the name. |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Guestlander: 4:40pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
Adminisher: Where are all the ethnic groups in the middle belt living now and are they all getting along? How many cases of ethnic clashes were recorded in the regions before 1966? 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Guestlander: 4:46pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
zendy: It was Ironsi and nobody else. The north, through Gowon merely took advantage of it. It was an unforced error and it is not unconnected with the current agitation of Igbos. 2 Likes |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by SternProphet: 4:55pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
Regionalism is a known failure. Military regimes are a known failure. It is dishonest to think regionalism succeeded. Thesis is like the idiotic girl feeling for an ex bf just because her current relationship is on the rocks. Regionalism killed two premier's, caused the oppression 9f northern Christians, led to pogrom. It is outdated in this global context of trade blocs and economies of scale. If you hate Fulanis people or Nigeria, at least find an original solution. Don't bring the failed past and call it success. |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Duru1(m): 5:17pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
zendy: Do not pay mind to an ill-informed ewedu-eating miscreant. He or she will not save his/her freaking life if it depended on the study of recorded events. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Duru1(m): 5:20pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
The regionalism is a copout for drunken scallywags. Total and unconditional disintegration of the shithole called Nigeria is a sure bet. 2 Likes |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by T9ksy(m): 12:09pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Duru1: Sure bet? Are you quite certain? At what cost? Care to wager your life on it? Ojukwu said same thing 50 odd years ago, but wasn't prepared to bet his OWN life on it. He LOST 3million innocent and gullible souls but still didn't achieve his "sure bet". |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:16pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
KingstonDome:we already have 36 regions. Abeg allow us hia word |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:20pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Adminisher:God bless you |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:21pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
zendy:it was during colonialism that education started in Nigeria. Should we go back to colonialism |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:23pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
zendy:what is unviable about any state in Nigeria |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:28pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Ballmer:china is capitalist nation. Communism failed for 30 years consistently |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:31pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Ballmer:no they have white people who're about to be overrun by the blacks who will fail the state |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by MIKOLOWISKA: 12:38pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
zendy:Oya go back to the regionalism. O what's that You can't O well you tried Now buck up and face the real problem Your laziness |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Guestlander: 4:04pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
SternProphet: Outdated in the global context but countries like Canada, Australia and even the UK operates a similar constitution. Outdated indeed. It is like saying all cars are bad because you crashed your own through lack of experience. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by omoharry(f): 4:22pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Adminisher:what is your own contribution to this thread? nothing..the only thing you have done is to disapprove of what the op has written but you refuse to even pin point one way Nigeria can come out of this mess..wen they sey make una no dey suck milk directly from cow breast una nor go hear ..you dont have any contribution but you have a lot of negative thing to talk about from the solution the op has pointed out for intelligent and patriotic Nigerians to delibrate on..what are you?..a perpetual pessimist without any iota of hope? sey you like the wey ur people dey street dey beg up and down with children on thier back while your leaders whom you guys always run to for ranka dey dey..are feeding fat on our common wealth...while you continue to wallow in ignorant , poverty and squalor and choose to remain in your hopelessness..their children are been sent to great schools abroad to acheieve great things and still come back and rule over you, steal also from you and continue the line of circle..yeye. 2 Likes |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by omoharry(f): 4:33pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
mandarin:The six region is ok..it will cause less tension and confusion as you have suggested.let each region handle it affairs and design a mechanism where governance will be transparent to the people they govern..every ethnic within that region must have a chance to be voted for ..so the issue zoning is key in regionalism so that other ethnic minority do not get short changed.the six regional regions is ok. |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by omoharry(f): 4:39pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Proudlyngwa:we are not separating..every state in Nigeria know belong to a particular region....so what are you talking about?I am sure when you are traveling, you must have known when you are about entering a new state and when living that state...right?.so all these various state belong to these six regions..therefore, these regions, will be the bedrock upon which the restructuring can be best practiced.. |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Guestlander: 4:41pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
MIKOLOWISKA: What type of analogy is this? Regardless of the type system you choose to adopt does it affect the need for education? 2 Likes |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by TrueNigerian300: 5:08pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Ballmer: 1000000 likes for you. History is logical you dont have to be present to judge some events. Why did Ironsi passed the unification code. Why did he tell the person that should have taken over after the death of Balewa that he couldnt guarantee his safety hence he should hand over power to him. Go listen to Sheu Shagari interview about the aftermath of the coup. Ironsi told them to sign an undertaken to hand over power to him. Truth be told the 1966 coup that killed Balewa and co was fishy. There was an agenda by certain people to take power at all cost. All those people saying regionalism is not better than thid present shit are confused. It might have its flaws but still the best till today. Believe whatever you want Nigeria can never be great with this present system. I repeat NOBODY can fix Nigeria under this present system. NOBODY I repeat!!! With the present system Nigeria can never progress. If you think otherwise I wish you well. 2 Likes |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by Proudlyngwa(m): 5:47pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
omoharry:And who or what defines those regions. I hope you know that there is a huge divide between geographic regions and geopolitical regions. What similarities does an Ogoja man have to be in the same region with an Itsekiri man, when he is closer to an ebonyi man. Same with an Idoma man and someone from Niger state when he is closer to an Enugu man. Deal with it , we have states now, what we should be talking about is more responsibilities to the local governments and councils, not another mega monster in the name of regions. 1 Like |
Re: Regionalism: The Way Out For Nigeria? Let us discuss by omoharry(f): 10:21am On Sep 20, 2018 |
Proudlyngwa:You mean , we should rather be talking about deep federalism where every state will handle their affairs just like they governors are doing...while the local government will be given more task and autonomy because they are closer to the people.Well it is part of the restructuring we are talking about ..the present system of Nigerian can never work like ..every region need to have a sense of belonging to the project called Nigeria..and by doing that..their interest,yearnings and aspirations must be put into consideration.Regionalism is the way to go..when that time comes for boundary issue then the district have a choice to choice which region they feel most comfortable with to merge with.Why dont you think about the advantage of restructuring over the disadvantage..everything in life has it good and bad side.. |
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