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Lemme goan check the links you shared on the other thread.

Sihr is HARAM even if it has no Haram elements. A Muslim should not do it even if he knows how. He should always practice self restraint. Sihr are in the Qur'an that Muslim can use to deal with someone that tresspasses you but it is still Haram for the fact that you deal with someone that's why both shuyukh I mentioned to you warned to not do it even if it is Qur'an. Even making dua by specifically mentioning name of individual that God should deal and punish the person is considered "asaasi". This is considered Haram too. But if a Muslim does it, we should not critisize him if it is once in a while or just one time because we don't know what happened. We should not call him kafir because of that.

So I will tell you that we did this back then in the 90s to deal with someone and that was it and we made istgfar afterwards. Niyah is very important. I'm not talking about istgfar you make with your fingers by 10 counts. I'm talking about sitting down and doing istgfar 70k for the wrong done even though we did it to curb someone excesses.

So despite the use of Quran to inflict pain on someone, it is ogun too. This is what I'm trying to tell you about halal charm but I don't know if I phrased it properly. I wish ikupakuti is here to enlighten us. So I believe that it is better to use the one in the Qur'an than going to alawo. There are positives and negatives sihr in the Qur'an. It depends on how folks understand and approach it. Everything is not just peace peace and peace with criminals. Deal with them once is a while to prove to them power of Quran. We did this on ogedengbe back then when he crossed the line

This type of thing is kept in private life. I'm telling now because it is now history. I may tell you about ogedengbe later too.

This your last response got me thinking smh. The answer is deep, as am trying to fathom it. But I believe May be thru those stories you're about to narrate, I would be able make better understanding of it.

70k istigfar We need it more these days. That should take one like 1 wk or a month to complete?

LadunaI:


This your last response got me thinking smh. The answer is deep, as am trying to fathom it. But I believe May be thru those stories you're about to narrate, I would be able make better understanding of it.

70k istigfar We need it more these days. That should take one like 1 wk or a month to complete?

One sitting OVERNIGHT

Let me start with Oged. I will not exaggerate the story. Will narrate what I experienced, saw, and heard. I was a teenager when this happened but i was well aware what happened for the basic part.

I am sure you know Oged. It is the same one hailed or praised in Obesere song in the 90s. They are from Osun state originally and they are also family friend. I lived with their mother whom I considered "grandpa" and we all called her "mama". She lived in Lagos. Oge family is mixed of muslims/christians but for the most part, they identified with Islam save one or two of her sons. Her famous son is Roti. Sounds familiar?

Roti lived in USA. I dont know when he moved to US but I knew him since early 90s and he used to come to our house for dua and he made money in the US quite right. His son told me few months ago that he moved back to nija permanently. There was no problem with this uncle with us. Basically their mother, Mama was our client known to us since 1972.

His younger brother, Ladi is subject of this narration bcus this was the problem back then. Uncle Ladi, from what i understood was the last born and he resides in London since 90s.. Uncle Ladi lived in our house for up to a year. He used to take us out to eat Mr. Biggs He was with us for problems he had with British govt and family issues.

I dont have details of Ladi's problems with the British govt. And this problem didnt come to light until he came home. My Sheikh had been making duas for him on his own prior to elaborate dua which demanded presence of up to 40 alfas. That was when i learned sura Yasin off hand bcus i needed money too for school lunch

Whatever happened btw him and my sheikh then, i have no details of that. All i heard was he didnt pay him for his service after he survived his struggle with British govt. I heard clearly back then that he said he wanted to sell his property {house} to pay him up. This went on for a while. I also understood that he could not come to nija due to his immigration status. My sheikh put this into consideration but he assured him to come home and that he would make it back.

There was something going on btw he and his mother (mama) that had been going on and they both came to my sheikh for settlement. I have no clue about this but this contributed more problems. What it was, I have no idea. All i knew was that I heard loud screams and i went downstairs to figure it out. Alas! it was Ladi yelling at his mother on a very serious argument in the presence of my sheikh.


Anyways, he came to nija with nothing from UK prison. UK govt suddenly released him without knowing LOL. (awon alfas tough faah). They have Allah's Names that work faster than federal express. He stayed at our house for months for his battles and won. But at this time, there wasn't much presence of alfas except few. And so he went back to UK. I dont know how. So dont ask me.


He called for few weeks after he went back to UK and then stopped calling. During that time he would tell us that he is broke and needed to sell his house. We believed him for months until we got info that he is living large and enjoying his life while he owes us money and those alfas that helped him out. This is when all out war began. My sheikh reached out to his mother many times. He is very shy to confront her for two reasons:

she was older and also a long time friend.


This is why it took long before he acted on it. When it was clear that Ladi ignored his mom's calls (at least call my sheikh or send his money), Ladi ultimately stopped answering his mom's calls. That's when the battle line was drawn. I still remember one thing my sheikh said, that he would not have done anything to him if other alfas did not involved in helping his issues. He said those alfas had to ge get paid for their sweat. This was logical rational excuse. He (my sheikh) only managed to pay young alfas who were not closed by.

Ghen ghen ghen

All hears

I am not gonna get into full details about how and what was devised to bring him down but i will point you to a few ayat or surah of Quran used to deal with him. While Ladi was enjoying himself, we were busy working on his @ss domestically. All the money spent on this came out of my sheikh's pocket and he said Ladi will pay for everything (and he did) at last.

Anyways, my sheikh was determined and in full force to bring him down. He rummaged old "tira" containing nakali a k a "musiba" (negative) of "muiba". May Allah protect us from musiba. Today, in most cases we just recite Qur'an mechanically without deep meaning. We read some phrases like "sumu bukumu umuyun" (Baqarah 18) for the sake of qira only without thinking. But it is "firaku" (yoruba pronunciation) and "musiba" if you know how to use it. Put target's name and his mother's in the mims in ountu (taada and kalam) and also written in paper, and do what you have to do with it, you finish your target's life. . This is sihr in the Quran not alawo and definitely not ebo (shirk).

We also used sura abasa (80). I remembered i did lots of ountu on this sura with many many alfas hired to help out. And of course some other verses like tabatiyada etc. Then, we waited for these firaku to take effect on him. By Allah, we didnt even finished yet before he started noticing changes to his life from enjoyment to sorrow. . We started getting calls from left and right from his mom in Lagos. My sheikh just turned blind eye and he said, "he hasn't seen nothing yet. I will not stop until he is finished".

Yes, we didnt stop at all until the whole process was completed. Imagine Ladi was already feeling the heat at outstart?. How about after finishing the firaku?. Firaku is asaasi (sihr). When asaasi starts working, it becomes musiba for the target. We all know the meaning of musiba, isnt?. You can see that in [Al Baqara: 156]. So when musiba finally hit its climax, uncle Ladi was extremely sick and could not walk and could barely talk. He was taken to the hospital but UK doctors could not find his problems. They could only say his temperature was extremely high. A friend of his said he was almost naked in extreme cold weather just to cool his body temperature but he was still very hot. This is called firaku. On top of it, musiba hit him. UK govt charged him to court for no apparent reason and he was sentenced to jail despite his condition. The whole thing happened too fast. Calamities hit him in succession.


Other things happened to him that i can even mention here. It was in jail he realized he might offended someone and he called his mother from prison to go and beg "Alhaji". And of course, my sheikh is not hard headed person. He felt pity too quickly and he has solution (antidote) or muiba (positive). He told his mother that he just wanted to teach him a lesson because he thinks he is too smart. He said his only solution was for him to return to Nigeria. But we didnt know at the time that he was jailed. The only thing we were told was he was sick and could not move. Upon learning he was incarcerated, we all got to work again to have him released. We had his "key" in our control LOL

To restore someone back to their good condition, we needed ountu again: Allah in arabic. In hau 'a' in the middle, put his name and his mother's name. And also write Muhammad in arabic and inscribe his name and mother's in the mims and complete the job. This is muiba. Then he was released by UK govt and got better medical wise. But he was warned if he doesn't come to nija we would put him back in his previous state. Bro, who want to go back to few months of hell?.


Uncle Ladi was like "hell no", he picked available flight and landed in nija really quickly. He didnt care about immigration status at this point. He just wanted to settle everything. But unfortunately, he didnt come with money either. We expected that. My sheikh took care of his responsibilities for up to a year he was with us the second time. But his mom did help with some cash too.


So we did everything for him to help him out from family to UK govt issues. This is where sura Yasin, dua jabariyyah and khutba came in. These are meant to restore everything to normal. It is good to have faith. He was worried how he would make back his lost. Many of us and some alfas worried too but my sheikh was like everything would be back to normal multiple fold. He just had that confidence and assurance. Indeed, Ladi went through immigration at port of entry like he is British citizen. That night he boarded flight at MMA, we organized short dua again. As his flight was taken off (as we already estimated through his itinerary), we recited Maryam 6 for him as we normally do but this time with intention to get back on track (his lost). Upon returning to UK he got buyers for some of his houses he already listed and for sale and paid us his debt.


All his other properties confiscated by UK govt were released and that was it. He was still in UK and enjoyed himself until 2001 when his mother passed away and he came home for burial. That was the last time i saw him. I wasn't around shortly afterward either. So you can see sihr derived from Quran without going to babalawo?. The fact that it is from Quran doesn't mean we should do it. My sheikh knew consequences (is like he broke the code) so he summoned everyone for tawbah and istighfar in group unison for 70,000 times, shahada, salat al ala nabiy etc. All of them same counts. This incident took place in 1994.

Bros.Please how do I contact you?

Empiree:
I am not gonna got into full details about how and what was devised to bring him down but i will point you to a few ayat or surah of Quran used to deal with him. While Ladi was enjoying himself, we were busy working on his @ss domestically. All the money spent on this came out of my sheikh's pocket and he said Ladi will pay for everything (and he did) at last.

Anyways, my sheikh was determined and in full force to bring him down. He rummage old "tira" containing nakali a k a "musiba" (negative) of "muiba". May Allah protect us from musiba. Today, in most cases we just recite Qur'an mechanically without deep meaning. We read some phrases like "sumu bukumu umuyun" (Baqarah 18) for the sake of qira only without thinking. But it is "firaku" (yoruba pronunciation) and "musiba" if you know how to use it. Put target's name and his mother's in the mims in ountu (taada and kalam) and also written in paper, and do what you have to do with it, you finish your target's life. . This is sihr in the Quran not alawo and definitely not ebo (shirk).

We also used sura abasa (80). I remembered i did lots of ountu on this sura with many many alfas hired to help out. And of course some other verses like tabatiyada etc. Then, we waited for these firaku to take effect on him. By Allah, we didnt even finished yet before he started noticing changes to his life from enjoyment to sorrow. . We started getting calls from left and right from his mom in Lagos. My sheikh just turned blind eye and he said, "he hasn't seen nothing yet. I will not stop until he is finished".

Yes, we didnt stop at all until the whole process was completed. Imagine Ladi was already feeling the heat at outstart?. How about after finishing the firaku?. Firaku is asaasi (sihr). When asaasi starts working, it becomes musiba for the target. We all know the meaning of musiba, isnt?. You can see that in [Al Baqara: 156]. So when musiba finally hit its climax, uncle Ladi was extremely sick and could not walk and could barely talk. He was taken to the hospital but UK doctors could not find his problems. They could only say his temperature was extremely high. A friend of his said he was almost naked in extreme cold weather just to cool his body temperature but he was still very hot. This is called firaku. On top of it, musiba hit him. UK govt charged him to court for no apparent reason and he was sentenced to jail despite his condition. The whole thing happened too fast. Calamities hit him in succession.


Other things happened to him that i can even mention here. It was in jail he realized he might offended someone and he called his mother from prison to go and beg "Alhaji". And of course, my sheikh is not hard headed person. He felt pity too quickly and he has solution (antidote) or muiba (positive). He told his mother that he just wanted to teach him a lesson because he thinks he is too smart. He said his only solution was for him to return to Nigeria. But we didnt know at the time that he was jailed. The only thing we were told was he was sick and could not move. Upon learning he was incarcerated, we all got to work again to have him released. We had his "key" in our control LOL

To restore someone back to their good condition, we needed ountu again: Allah in arabic. In hau 'a' in the middle, put his name and his mother's name. And also write Muhammad in arabic and inscribe his name and mother's in the mims and complete the job. This is muiba. Then he was released by UK govt and got better medical wise. But he was warned if he doesn't come to nija we would put him back in his previous state. Bro, who want to go back to few months of hell?.


Uncle Ladi was like "hell no", he picked available flight and landed in nija really quickly. He didnt care about immigration status at this point. He just wanted to settle everything. But unfortunately, he didnt come with money either. We expected that. My sheikh took care of his responsibilities for up to a year he was with us the second time. But his mom did help with some cash too.


So we did everything for him to help him out from family to UK govt issues. This is where sura Yasin, dua jabariyyah and khutba came in. These are meant to restore everything to normal. It is good to have faith. He was worried how he would make back his lost. Many of us and some alfas worried too but my sheikh was like everything would be back to normal multiple fold. He just had that confidence and assurance. Indeed, Ladi went through immigration at port of entry like he is British citizen. That night he boarded flight at MMA, we organized short dua again. As his flight was taken off (as we already estimated through his itinerary), we recited Maryam 6 for him as we normally do but this time with intention to get back on track (his lost). Upon returning to UK he got buyers for some of his houses he already listed and shares for sale and paid us his debt.


All his other properties confiscated by UK govt were released and that was it. He was still in UK and enjoyed himself until 2001 when his mother passed away and he came home for burial. That was the last time i saw him. I wasn't around shortly afterward either. So you can see sihr derived from Quran without going to babalawo?. The fact that it is from Quran doesn't mean we should do it. My sheikh knew consequences (is like he broke the code) so he summoned everyone for tawbah and istighfar in group unison for 70,000 times, shahada, salat al ala nabiy etc. All of them same counts. This incident took place in 1994.

ak475:
Bros.Please how do I contact you?

through pm here

Egbon, in as much as I enjoyed reading the posts, I have some reservations. Nothing too serious
I think you gave out too much personal information as the names of everyone involved, at least the major actors, could easily be found out.

There will definitely be people from "his" family who know the story too and the identity of "your Shiekh" so it's in light of that I'd advise you edit your posts and also ask that brother who quote you to do same.

Just my opinion.

Hkana:
Egbon, in as much as I enjoyed reading the posts, I have some reservations. Nothing too serious
I think you gave out too much personal information as the names of everyone involved, at least the major actors, could easily be found out.

There will definitely be people from "his" family who know the story too and the identity of "your Shiekh" so it's in light of that I'd advise you edit your posts and also ask that brother who quote you to do same.

Just my opinion.

Thanks for your observation. I didnt give that a thought. first and second post were edited. But the last and longest quoted by someone, i dont think that has personal infos. You could point out so i can edit that as well. I felt it was old enough so i didn't care about personal info. Thanks again

No worries Boss.

@empiree
You're an excellent narrator lol

Interesting story indeed. I really like the idea inculcated in us the idea that Qur'an is sufficient for all our needs, if we know how to use it halalically, but like you pointed out using for negative end is NOT ideal for Muslims.

It seems you're more adept in this stuff ohh. Over a decade as protege of the Sheikh. You will teach us more now.

We waiting for the second story. Nkán béé lootó

LadunaI:
@emp.iree
You're an excellent narrator lol

Interesting story indeed. I really like the idea inculcated in us the idea that Qur'an is sufficient for all our needs, if we know how to use it halalically, but like you pointed out using for negative end is NOT ideal for Muslims.

It seems you're more adept in this stuff ohh. Over a decade as protege of the Sheikh. You will teach us more now.

We waiting for the second story. Nkán béé lootó

we all know if something is evil when we do it unless we wanna be hypocritical about it. Whether there is reason behind it or not it is still wrong. But at the end of the day, the end justified the means. We should not boast about it even if we are right.

It is like launching war campaign on supposed enemies, either a form of revenge, offensive or preemptive. They are however necessary to curb others' excesses. Otherwise they think you are dence. They take your patient and kindness for weakness. In that case, there is no blame on you to deal with such people. Therefore, nítórí wèrè itá lá fí ní tilé

Qur'an teaches us thus,


...were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. [Q22:40]




I understood the Ayah in our context to curb the man's excesses and also to check some of the alfas who might have decided to go elsewhere to deal with him. So we rather did it ourselves. Allah didn't leave us without given us something to tackle idiots. This is why jalabi people are necessary so that muslims don't go to alawo or Christians. We have tools in Islam. So there is charm in Quran. Those who know, know how to. This is not about "nabi didn't do it. sahaba didn't do it. Tabin and tabin didn't do it. Salaf didn't do it". This is very silly reasoning. So if a muslim sees fellow muslim does this legitimate sihr from islamic perspective, they will say he is babalawo. They failed to see that appearance and reality are opposite to each other.


Another Ayah here:


And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah . Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. [Qur'aan 42:40]


So I think many muslims only understood ayat like these to be military approach only. No sir. Sihr too are there Islamic way. This is why I said Yorubaland can be exceptional sometimes due to our nature. I don't expect victims of occult world to challenge them with guns and other military hardware. You have to use similar approach which the second ayah alludes to. Otherwise, occult people know ògèdè they utter to stop you from using your gun.

In modern Western Civilization, since they don't believe in unseen world, they believe in guns, therefore, they challenge their enemies with similar tools. Now, the difference is that, a Muslim should not make this his source of livelihood. This may constitute evil and Haram on its own.

Empiree:
we all know if something is evil when we do it unless we wanna be hypocritical about it. Whether there is reason behind it or not it is still wrong. But at the end of the day, the end justified the means. We should not boast about it even if we are right.

It is like launching war campaign on supposed enemies, either a form of revenge, offensive or preemptive. They are however necessary to curb others' excesses. Otherwise they think you are dence. They take your patient and kindness for weakness. In that case, there is no blame on you to deal with such people. Therefore, nítórí wèrè itá lá fí ní tilé

Qur'an teaches us thus,


...were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. [Q22:40]




I understood the Ayah in our context to curb the man's excesses and also to check some of the alfas who might have decided to go elsewhere to deal with him. So we rather did it ourselves. Allah didn't leave us without given us something to tackle idiots. This is why jalabi people are necessary so that muslims don't go to alawo or Christians. We have tools in Islam. So there is charm in Quran. Those who know, know how to. This is not about "nabi didn't do it. sahaba didn't do it. Tabin and tabin didn't do it. Salaf didn't do it". This is very silly reasoning. So if a muslim sees fellow muslim does this legitimate sihr from islamic perspective, they will say he is babalawo. They failed to see that appearance and reality are opposite to each other.


Another Ayah here:


And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah . Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. [Qur'aan 42:40]


So I think many muslims only understood ayat like these to be military approach only. No sir. Sihr too are there Islamic way. This is why I said Yorubaland can be exceptional sometimes due to our nature. I don't expect victims of occult world to challenge them with guns and other military hardware. You have to use similar approach which the second ayah alludes to. Otherwise, occult people know ògèdè they utter to stop you from using your gun.

In modern Western Civilization, since they don't believe in unseen world, they believe in guns, therefore, they challenge their enemies with similar tools. Now, the difference is that, a Muslim should not make this his source of livelihood. This may constitute evil and Haram on its own.

What you narrated earlier looks to me like the one we call Lazimi over here.

Alhajiemeritus:

What you narrated earlier looks to me like the one we call Lazimi over here.

yes, lazimi. You understand. I forgot this word. Used to hear it back then.

Empiree:
we all know if something is evil when we do it unless we wanna be hypocritical about it. Whether there is reason behind it or not it is still wrong. But at the end of the day, the end justified the means. We should not boast about it even if we are right.

It is like launching war campaign on supposed enemies, either a form of revenge, offensive or preemptive. They are however necessary to curb others' excesses. Otherwise they think you are dence. They take your patient and kindness for weakness. In that case, there is no blame on you to deal with such people. Therefore, nítórí wèrè itá lá fí ní tilé

Qur'an teaches us thus,


...were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. [Q22:40]




I understood the Ayah in our context to curb the man's excesses and also to check some of the alfas who might have decided to go elsewhere to deal with him. So we rather did it ourselves. Allah didn't leave us without given us something to tackle idiots. This is why jalabi people are necessary so that muslims don't go to alawo or Christians. We have tools in Islam. So there is charm in Quran. Those who know, know how to. This is not about "nabi didn't do it. sahaba didn't do it. Tabin and tabin didn't do it. Salaf didn't do it". This is very silly reasoning. So if a muslim sees fellow muslim does this legitimate sihr from islamic perspective, they will say he is babalawo. They failed to see that appearance and reality are opposite to each other.


Another Ayah here:


And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah . Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. [Qur'aan 42:40]


So I think many muslims only understood ayat like these to be military approach only. No sir. Sihr too are there Islamic way. This is why I said Yorubaland can be exceptional sometimes due to our nature. I don't expect victims of occult world to challenge them with guns and other military hardware. You have to use similar approach which the second ayah alludes to. Otherwise, occult people know ògèdè they utter to stop you from using your gun.

In modern Western Civilization, since they don't believe in unseen world, they believe in guns, therefore, they challenge their enemies with similar tools. Now, the difference is that, a Muslim should not make this his source of livelihood. This may constitute evil and Haram on its own.

That your last statement underscore the need to be careful about all of these stuff.

For the purpose of learning, let me share this. I took my mum for a visit to her elder sis yesterday, and upon alerting from the vehicle, I was trying to see her to the family house before zooming off, when on our way we passed thru a house with little courtyard where the Alfa normally teach pupils in the evening( I mean Ile kèwu.)

As we approached the area the odour that pervade the area make me try to see where it was coming from, instantly I noticed that, it was coming from that Alfa's place. As we're moving, I eavesdropped a young man sitting at the front of the house, calling someone on the phone if they have Ori Óoka, and some other stuff in the list he was holding. We quickly move past the area. I started to asked myself, what has Muslims got to be doing with these stuff, and burning so many things together in the name of jalabi?

The truth is, so many people have adulterated these things and before you know it, halal/haram become blurred, lots of things forbidden in Islam would be used. Pls what has python's head got to do with Islamic treatment or Iwosan?

LadunaI:
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That your last statement underscore the need to be careful about all of these stuff.

For the purpose of learning, let me share this. I took my mum for a visit to her elder sis yesterday, and upon alerting from the vehicle, I was trying to see her to the family house before zooming off, when on our way we passed thru a house with little courtyard where the Alfa normally teach pupils in the evening( I mean Ile kèwu.)

As we approached the area the odour that pervade the area make me try to see where it was coming from, instantly I noticed that, it was coming from that Alfa's place. As we're moving, I eavesdropped a young man sitting at the front of the house, calling someone on the phone if they have Ori Óoka, and some other stuff in the list he was holding. We quickly move past the area. I started to asked myself, what has Muslims got to be doing with these stuff, and burning so many things together in the name of jalabi?

The truth is, so many people have adulterated these things and before you know it, halal/haram become blurred, lots of things forbidden in Islam would be used. Pls what has python's head got to do with Islamic treatment or Iwosan?

Lol Jalabi isn't Islamic treatment, it's a mixture of different natural stuffs.

Alhajiemeritus:
Lol Jalabi isn't Islamic treatment, it's a mixture of different natural stuffs.

What is Jalabi then? I thought is when Alfa specialize in procuring cure for ppl. Can u give detail of what Jalabi entails.

Edit: @the bolded, you mean the way Babalawo use to do? That's funny, so what's the difference?

LadunaI:
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That your last statement underscore the need to be careful about all of these stuff.

This is why before venturing into jalabi one must be grounded in figh first. Figh comes first.

For the purpose of learning, let me share this. I took my mum for a visit to her elder sis yesterday, and upon alerting from the vehicle, I was trying to see her to the family house before zooming off, when on our way we passed thru a house with little courtyard where the Alfa normally teach pupils in the evening( I mean Ile kèwu.)

As we approached the area the odour that pervade the area make me try to see where it was coming from, instantly I noticed that, it was coming from that Alfa's place. As we're moving, I eavesdropped a young man sitting at the front of the house, calling someone on the phone if they have Ori Óoka, and some other stuff in the list he was holding. We quickly move past the area. I started to asked myself, what has Muslims got to be doing with these stuff, and burning so many things together in the name of jalabi?

The truth is, so many people have adulterated these things and before you know it, halal/haram become blurred, lots of things forbidden in Islam would be used. Pls what has python's head got to do with Islamic treatment or Iwosan?

I'm not gonna judge that Alfa since this info was eavesdropped. However, if I understood correctly, oka is python right?. Pythons reside in wet, rain forest or swampy area. They may be classified as seafood.

Now, during the course of a debate on permissibility of jalabi two years ago, I came across medical benefits of some sea animals on Islamic topic. There are several aHadith that talk about medical benefits of all sea animals for medical needs. The particular one I researched was frog. The medical benefits of frogs in Islam. There are many scientific methods and the cure for all types of ailments.

The only question mark is another hadith which forbids killing frogs (as exception). But some say the hadith is daef. My point is, Ori oka in itself is not Haram especially if that Alfa is using it for medical. The problem is that in Yorubaland, there is no proper coordination and censorship. We say it raw. In Western world, stuff like these are coded scientifically, which means some of the pills recommended by doctors or over the counter are sometimes jumbled with animal product like Camel urine etc.


Remember I work in medical field so I know what I'm talking about. Modern science advanced and transformed these things to pills. That's why we are not irritated or hesitated to take pills. Alfa is most likely mixing oka with ewe ati egbo and make stew or dissolve it to ebu(powder) for easy digest. I believe Ori oka he ordered was dried one just like dried fish (eja Kika).

The reason they are dried is because it kills possible diseases in that animal itself. Now, I was slightly aware of these things back home but I was not exposed to them. My sheikh only trained us with Dua because this is everlasting. But if Ori oka used for something questionable like invoking something etc, then this is out of line. So I can not possibly fault that Alfa since we have no details. All in all, they should limit the consumption of these things. They have negative effect even if used for medicine just like pills we take. I barely take pills (Orthodox medicine) because they have negative effect too. They can damage kidney if taken too much especially ibuprofen. So jalabi is just iwosan. The reason our baba invented it was because they did not want Muslims to go to other sources like alawo or church to seek spiritual or medical assistance.

I asked my sheikh in 2012 what is Jalabi?. His simple reply was "iwosan". I understood this to mean both spiritual and physical due to verses of Quran and numerous ahadith I read on it. But as Muslim, they have to leaned towards Islam rather than just anything. Always remember that appearance and reality are opposite to each other. Iklas and taqwa are what is needed. These are lacking today.

Wallahu alam

Alhajiemeritus:
Lol Jalabi isn't Islamic treatment, it's a mixture of different natural stuffs.

yes. Natural herbs basically

Empiree:
This is why before venturing into jalabi one must be grounded in figh first. Figh comes first.



I'm not gonna judge that Alfa since this info was eavesdropped. However, if I understood correctly, oka is python right?. Pythons reside in wet, rain forest or swampy area. They may be classified as seafood.

Now, during the course of a debate on permissibility of jalabi two years ago, I came across medical benefits of some sea animals on Islamic topic. There are several aHadith that talk about medical benefits of all sea animals for medical needs. The particular one I researched was frog. The medical benefits of frogs in Islam. There are many scientific methods and the cure for all types of ailments.

The only question mark is another hadith which forbids killing frogs (as exception). But some say the hadith is daef. My point is, Ori oka in itself is not Haram especially if that Alfa is using it for medical. The problem is that in Yorubaland, there is no proper coordination and censorship. We say it raw. In Western world, stuff like these are coded scientifically, which means some of the pills recommended by doctors or over the counter are sometimes jumbled with animal product like Camel urine etc.


Remember I work in medical field so I know what I'm talking about. Modern science advanced and transformed these things to pills. That's why we are not irritated or hesitated to take pills. Alfa is most likely mixing oka with ewe ati egbo and make stew or dissolve it to ebu for easy digest. I believe Ori oka he ordered was dried one just like dried fish (eja Kika).

The reason they are dried is because it kills possible diseases in that animal itself. Now, I was slightly aware of these things back home but I was not exposed to them. My sheikh only trained us with Dua because this is everlasting. But if Ori oka used for something questionable like invoking something etc, then this is out of line. So I can not possibly fault that Alfa since we have no details. All in all, they should limit the consumption of these things. They have negative effect even if used for medicine just like pills we take. I barely take pills (Orthodox medicine) because they have negative effect too. They can damage kidney if taken too much especially ibuprofen. So jalabi is just iwosan. The reason our baba invented it was because they did not want Muslims to go to other sources like alawo or church to seek spiritual it medical assistance.

I asked my sheikh in 2012 what is Jalabi?. His simple reply was "iwosan". I understood this to mean both spiritual and physical due to verses of Quran and numerous ahadith I read on it. But as Muslim, they have to lean towards Islam rather than just anything. Always remember that appearance and reality are opposite to reach other. Iklas and taqwa are what is needed. This is lacking today.

Wallahu alam

Eating python is one thing, but specifically requesting for its head or tail sometimes by some, goes beyond being medicinal or 'iwosan' lol.

For me I believe du'a is far better and more effective than all those things. I am not judging that Alfa as such, but just imagine if care is not taking how such can easily lead to something else.

Ohh I thought you're Esq. (lawyer), not knowing you're in medical line, and thanks for that info, I like taking Ibruprofen 400mg as a pain killer most time. I have to be cautious now.

I have been trying to get fatwa regarding eating of python, because I do see some people do eat it. The sight it alone piss me off, talkless of eating it lol.

^^^

I honestly don't eat any of those things beyond ram, goat, maalu lol etc.

Animal like reptiles disgust me a lot. But when I was in my preteen, I played with them and grabbed them a lot. Now I don't wanna see them. And yes, I agree with you on comsuption. Some of them may use ìrù óká for afósé etc. I don't subscribed to this. We have kun faya kun in Quran. That's far better than this. Watch out for ibrupofen though

I'm into medical and real estate. I'm jack of all trades

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You probably mistook me for my brother last year. He's a lawyer. Remember I was saying something about him last year.

Empiree:
^^^

I honestly don't eat any of those things beyond ram, goat, maalu lol etc.

Animal like reptiles disgusting me a lot. But when I was in my preteen, I played with them and grabbed them a lot. Now I don't wanna see them. And yes, I agree with you on comsuption. Some of them may use iru oka for afósé etc. I don't subscribed to this. We have kun faya kun in Quran. That's far better than this. Watch out for ibrupofen though

I'm into medical and real estate. I'm jack of all trades

You get liver ohhh lol, catch and play with them, I don pick race mere seeing them

Yeah, do aware of you being a realtor, may be that what make me think you're a lawyer. Because lot of lawyer here in naija are in real estate biz.

Empiree:
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You probably mistook me for my brother last year. He's a lawyer. Remember I was saying something about him last year.

May be not really. I think also, info I gleaned from your FB page, lot of pics as if you're being call to Bar .

LadunaI:

May be not really. I think also, info I gleaned from your FB page, lot of pics as if you're being call to Bar .

Oh i see.. That's not me. It is my brother i was talking about here last year. But i was there at his bar ceremonies taking those pictures of him.

Empiree:
Oh i see.. That's not me. It is my brother i was talking about here last year. But i was there at his bar ceremonies taking those pictures of him.

Ok...I got you now! I remembered you talking about that, and a sister in Texas. Oh...I can see that also their weeding stuff, that's interesting!

Nonetheless, you must be one standing together with him at the entrance of the court, because the resemblance is glaring smh lol.

Can't stop coming back to this thread.
Very insightful..

Any knowledge esp knowledge that increases spirituality ain't wasted.

Anything dt increases my Taqwa

LadunaI:

Ok...I got you now! I remembered you talking about that, and a sister in Texas. Oh...I can see that also their weeding stuff, that's interesting!

Nonetheless, you must be one standing together with him at the entrance of the court, because the resemblance is glaring smh lol.

Oh wow, you infiltrated that. Was really sick that day. I dared the weather and i paid the price. That was Sept (fall) last yr and i felt sad for myself. Yes, that his wedding pictures with his wife from TX. She moved to NY now.

Empiree:
Oh wow, you infiltrated that. Was really sick that day. I dared the weather and i paid the price. That was Sept (fall) last yr and i felt sad for myself. Yes, that his wedding pictures with his from TX. She moved to NY now.

Oh sorry. I see that your brother is now living his America dream, what a lucky dude! . His investment pay off @ the end of the day.

That's nice wife moving to NY, May Allah BLESS their union.