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Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by AdorableJosh(m): 9:54am On Sep 26, 2018 |
I still have a problem with Nairaland changing pen.is to joystick, messes up the flow of the message and it's simply childish if we are being honest. Joystick really? Smh. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by afemgbosey(m): 9:59am On Sep 26, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED: I tell you, it was men that saw Jesus first after resurrection. The soldiers guarding the entrance to the tomb saw as the angel open the tomb while Jesus came out. mary saw him waaaaaaay later in the morning. Read your bible women. You are the crack in the world for the fall of mankind right from Eden. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by Honesty007(m): 10:03am On Sep 26, 2018 |
This woman should shut up her dirty mouth.infact any woman that does not bow to the authority of Jesus christ cannot be submissive to the word of GOD nor man.it was when eve wanted equal rights with adam that she rebelled against God.it is somehow and so bad |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by diadem10: 11:18am On Sep 26, 2018 |
TonyeBarcanista: Does your boss love you like his life? Personally, I think love comprises submission and is even greater. Read 1 corr 13:4 and tell me what love is? According to the scripture, love is kind, forgiveth, endureth all things, doesn't dishonour nor boast nor seeketh her own gain nor easily provoked yet we were commanded to show this Love to our wives. How is this love cited above different from submission? In fact, I feel husband are the ones being shortchanged if both parties decided to follow the rules to tee, just like Jesus did, i.e, God's love who came to the earth to serve and washed his disciples' feet. Why did you think the pharisee couldn't identify him from the rest and needed Judas to do this? Because he was no different from the common man and his disciples. We're expected to lead and show by example, and our disciples, which in this case, our wives and children will follow suit naturally. I just pray His grace should keep us because none is infallible. In fact, everyone is flouting this scriptural law abeg. 2 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by diadem10: 11:26am On Sep 26, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI:Love is submission and vice versa bro. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by diadem10: 11:34am On Sep 26, 2018 |
okeyfineboy:Exactly. alBHAGDADI is just being evasive. Love is greater. In fact, we're to lead by example while our wives and children follow naturally. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by LastDays777: 11:41am On Sep 26, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Thank you very much for this. Innocent ladies are buying into this feminist agenda. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by Xavier5(m): 12:53pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by Sammiejo: 12:59pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Did she say do not submit to husband or everyone should have equal access to opportunities? 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by Xavier5(m): 1:00pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
omoelerin1: So you are trying to tell me that because men and women are different in their make up means they shouldn't have and enjiy equal rights and priviledges as human? If that is the case, that means blacks shouldn't and can't enjoy equal rights and privileges with the whites simply because they are different physically in terms of colour, Since physical make up and differences hinders one from enjoying and having equal rights and privileges. #Xavier. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by Naza25: 1:28pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
This woman should leave Jesus out of her madness. Jesus has nothing to do with the kind of feminism she is championing |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by tevinsolt: 4:39pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: It is obvious that even if I took the time to spell it out for you, you still would not get it. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by Truthchiz: 5:48pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
kingcornel:ee dey pain me like your own. ewu |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by omoelerin1: 6:11pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
Xavier5:Well, I am yet to know the rights and privileges which a man enjoys and a woman does not enjoy simply because she is a woman. Using white and black to drive home and support your argument here is out of it. It doesn't relate to the issue of contention whatsoever. Your good self know that there are certain stressful work that a woman would not be encouraged to engage due to her physical nature. Presently, Federal Road Safety is conducting recruitment exercise and it has issued a statement that married women, pregnant women, those with bow and k leg would be dropped. Take note, married men would not be dropped on the ground that they are married, but women would be dropped for that reason. Are you saying they are being discriminated or denied their rights? You people should stop deceiving yourself and channel your energy and effort to another fruitful project instead of this futile mission. Culture is different all over the world. It is women that rule their world in the wester part of the world, but here in Africa it can never work. The rate of discrimination between a man and a woman in English language is even more than many languages in Africa, such as: proprietor, proprietress, headmaster, headmistress, He, Him, She, Her. I think feminists should direct their effort to correct these language discriminations which may have negative impacts in real social life. English language even goes as far as telling us that woman derives her identity from man and cannot stand alone. For example: Man = woMan Male=feMale. He= sHe He= Her Masculinity is regarded as more strong, active and giver, while Feminism is seen as less strong, passive and receiver. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 7:41pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
Xavier5:my brother if u put that question 2 any so called feminist in Nigeria, u will become an enemy. D reason I will share with u in my attachment. ChimaMANda is using feminism 2 further her career cos its what d white man wants 2 hear. Sometimes I read her feminists sermons there's no head, there's no tail. She's s good writer, but she has lost her way in getting involved with things she nos little or nothing about. Sometimes she wants 2 justify feminism using sociology, psychology, politics, religion, biology. And each time she does this, she displays more&more ignorance. But yet, some ladies still think she knows what she is saying
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 8:01pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
Olodo24:first, are u a nigerian? u have forgotten that chimaMANda makes a living from being a fictional writer so fiction is her thing. exactly what right about feminism u Nigerians aren't accepting? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 8:55pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
tevinsolt:he took time out 2 spell out his position&didn't relent despite u don't agree with him. Y are u hesitating in doing same? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 8:58pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
omoelerin1:u forgot to add chimaMANda |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 9:05pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
Xisnin:and u think we don't no that already? Or who is preventing women from doing what they want apart from themselves? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 9:06pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
Zoroaster:and she even added salt, maggi and garlic |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by tevinsolt: 9:12pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: lexy2014: Wisdom is knowing when to continue to engage lest one being thought of as being the opposite. he said and I quote "That verse says we are to submit as Christians when we are together. But you twisted it to mean husband and wives should submit to each." You have the liberty to go read the particular scripture yourself (Ephesians 5) assuming the sole verse 21 that I quoted was talking about Christians submitting when they're are together (I hope you are starting see the illogicality of this inference) why would an instruction be given in once instance and then contradicted in another? "so as christian brothers and sisters we are to submit when we are together" but as Husbands and wives (while still Christians by the way).....only the woman should submit? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 9:15pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
Daeylar:pls are there activities men can perform that women can't perform? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 9:22pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
tevinsolt:because there again u read just verse 21 and not d preceding verses to no y& to whom d instructions in verse 21 was given. Let's assume 4 once that u are correct that verse 21 says we all should submit irrespective of where we are. Let's say u are in d same church with ur boss. In church u both submit to each other. When u get 2d office will u still expect him 2 submit 2u cos d Bible said "submit to one another out of reverence 4 Christ"? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by tevinsolt: 10:15pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
lexy2014: "because there again u read just verse 21 and not d preceding verses to no y& to whom d instructions in verse 21 was given." There you go jumping the gun by concluding I read verse 21 by itself. Some translations of the bible if you had taking note have verse 21 attached to 20, Some others have it just before verse 22 subheading "Instructions for Christian household". The church (instituted by God) and I mean the coming together of believers is not a location defined engagement. Marriage (also Instituted by God) is a secondary label some Christians bear - a representation of Christ and the Church. Your Job and the relationship you have with your boss is a human construct. In which I'd hope the rules of engagement is well defined in the employment contract. Yes In marriage God as called wives to submit and Husbands to love, but to think the wive is not required to also love and for the Husband to submit is to have ones head in the sand. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 11:52pm On Sep 27, 2018 |
tevinsolt: In d translations u are referring to, did verse 21 come under d heading " Instructions for Christian households "? U talked about "rules of engagement" as defined in d employment contract. Am sure u referring to conditions of employment and job description. Am sure d analysis I will provide below will clear this up. D question I asked was would u expect ur employer who is ur church member to submit to u in d office just because d Bible says "submit to one another"? Work r/ships aren't just human constructs. They have deep spiritual significance. God worked and d first set of instructions to man was b fruitful, multiply, replenish d earth, till it and have dominion over it. This involves work and 4u to work u will have work r/ships. because of this, God set out guidelines 4 this r/ship. In Colossians 3:22-25 it talks about how our work to our employers is also service to God(u c its not just a human construct) but it went further to outline in Col 4:1 what d employer must do 4 his employee with its own spiritual significance. Also check 1 Tim 5:18 and Deuteronomy 24:14-15. D employee & employer both have a burden to carry 4 each other. Now let's bring this to marriage in Ephesians 5. If u noticed, theres something common in d above r/ship: roles&responsibility. 4 every role, comes responsibility. That means cos u are this, u must do this. But it also comes with entitlement. As d employee is expected to work, he or she is expected to b paid. Same thing in marriage. Husband: love, wife:submit. Roles&responsibilities. Its that simple (Ephesians 5:33). D question is this: is a wife submitting 2 her husband any less dignifying than d husband loving her? This is y I talked about selective reading earlier. Pls check Eph 5:28-29. If that is d responsibility assigned 2a man toward his wife, then what else do feminists want? I ask again, is a wife submitting to her husband any less dignifying than a man loving her? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by tevinsolt: 1:54am On Sep 28, 2018 |
lexy2014: "In d translations u are referring to, did verse 21 come under d heading " Instructions for Christian households?" yes it does. - you should know this, since you read the exchange between the other guy and I. I have no time to keep going back and forth. In a nutshell, Submission isn't the issue here, the Issue is you or anyone coming up to me saying wives are to submit and Husbands are not, when clearly the Bible first commands submission to one another in reverence to Christ. And then goes on to elaborate It tells me that you deem submission as lesser contrary to what you might be leading on In a loving, considerate. power-struggle free relationship, submission is displayed in the act of coming together, in the acceptance of dos and don'ts of the other person for a successful union to happen. If submission is so highly esteemed by you why do you have an issue with a husband equally submitting to his wife? And no, the relationship between a Wife and her husband isn't analogous to that of an employee and the employer, it is much closer to a partnership where all hand are on deck. A wife as not been hired neither has the husband. This relationship is as a result of two people making a conscious decision to come together in a spiritual, soul and physical bond. Feminism has been a movement in response to the ill treatment of women in life. It doesn't take too much to figure out that when a group of people have been taken advantage of for so long, sooner or later they'll fight everyone ideology that allowed for their oppression. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by oruma19: 3:58am On Sep 28, 2018 |
omoelerin1:u forget that some of the things paul spoke about were his own thoughts and he made it clear especially as regards marriage. Lets balance it when we quote the bible. Nothing is wrong in saying the exact thing. Dont quote Jesus whereas it was David or solomon who spoke. If paul said something, since its all inspired by God then we shuld be able to be truthful enough to say paul ,by the leading of the holy spirit said this or that. This is what has brought so much confusion in christianity that christians have become the most divided people of all religions . Pls dont tell me it's not a religion because that's the lie many of these penterascal pastors tell their people. God through John the beloved said in revelation, add to the book and be damned. I hope u know they toyed with the bible from inception by removing some books ? All these are part of the reasons christianity looks vague and so unreal. God is real , Jesus is real, the holy spirit is real, but our christianity especially in africa and USA Is mammon worship and not real christianity. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by omoelerin1: 5:21am On Sep 28, 2018 |
oruma19:No, I disagree with you. You're speaking like someone who doesn't believe the Bible or those that believe one part and disregard another part. You can't tell me that all the speech of Jesus alone, as recorded in the Gospel, when he put aside his divine nature and came to the world is superior to or more important than the rest part of the scripture where he spoke through the mouth of the saints. God can never and will never divide against himself. A true Christian must believe every part of the Bible as the word of God, irrespective of who was speaking in one part or the other. The very particular place where Paul was only giving his own opinion, he made it clear. Be that as it may, he was a spirit filled man who would not speak through flesh, corrupt or carnally minded. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by lexy2014: 7:07am On Sep 28, 2018 |
tevinsolt:which translation are u referring to? I asked u a simple question twice, "is a wife's submission to her husband any less dignifying to a husband loving her"? All I expected from u was a simple yes or no but instead u are going back &forth even though u said u don't want to go back&forth. I also took u 2d same Ephesians 5 but to 28-29 for further emphasis and to prove d selective reading theory. But obviously, what u are accusing me of, u haven't been able to show that u aren't guilty of it. Again, u had earlier said that work r/ship is a "human construct" and I was able to prove u wrong with scriptures that it isn't. What makes work r/ship different from marital r/ship? U seem 2b oblivious of d fact that as long as @ least 2 individuals interact with each other, there's a r/ship. U said this about marriage: "This relationship is as a result of two people making a conscious decision to come together in a spiritual, soul and physical bond." Does an employee & employer not make a conscious decision to come together? Yes or No? D objectives might b different but there's a word u used up there, RELATIONSHIP. If u don't understand d word r.ship&what it entails, how do u then defend ur position? So whether it is marital, business, diplomatic, political, religious, transient, etc as long as it involves d interaction of at least 2 individuals, it is a r.ship. and I told u that every r.ship has 3 things, roles, responsibilities&entitlement and let me add, expectations.and Ephesians 5 from 22 outlined those roles&responsibilities and emphasized it again in verse 33. That's y I also used d work r.ship 2 help u understand d concepts of roles, responsibilities, entitlement & expectations. What I expected of u was 2 trash this theory with ur own facts. Critique what I said and let's no if it is not valid. Funny enough, u didnt come near it. instead u seem 2 have a grudge with d word "submission" and anyone u think is promoting it. In ur previous post, u acknowledged that marriage was instituted by God. If that is ur position, then Gods position is explicit in Ephesians 5:22-33 as to d roles&responsibilities of couples to themselves. If u noticed,d message of verse 21, didn't reoccur in verses 22-33. So if 21 was meant 4 married couples, then it would have been reemphasized between 22-33. But what u have between 22-33 is strictly repetition and emphasis of love&submission between wife&husband without d message of 21. If that is d case, I don't c where ur claims of oppression or illtreatment are coming from. Ephesians 5:28-29 is unambiguous and puts 2 bed any claims of oppression or ill treatment. With it, there should b no reason 4a woman 2 feel oppressed or ill treated. But as I noted earlier, its just a case of selective reading. Let me conclude with this question again: is a woman submitting to her husband any less dignifying than a husband loving her"? |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by cardoctor(m): 8:07am On Sep 28, 2018 |
True |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie: How Jesus Christ Treated Women, A Symbol For Gender Equality by oruma19: 8:50am On Sep 28, 2018 |
omoelerin1:u only know what u v been tot. This is another weakness of christianity many of us v been talking about. I can not be forced to believe because someone believes. I live by what i read from the scriptures and my conscience. Relax and study scripture, clear ur mind and see what God will say to u. Forget all those wofbi or wolbi u people attend, they teach u what they believe and many are wrong doctrines. Bible is out guide, lets use it. It is because of the brainwashing that may of these mega pentecostal churches cancelled sunday school so intelligent people wont ask questions or challenge heresy. It is well anyways. Let everybldy carry his cross. |
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