Babyvet:


No you are mentioned my name that I responded . Boy good night , it should be night time in Nigeria go to bed and prepare for tomorrow work day.

wickyyolo:
Good luck to those that want to relocate permanently to Canada.

I Dunno why people don't see the Hidden opportunities in Europe.

dochenaj:

Racism and tribalism are related. In the one you are prejudiced because of your race while in the other because of your tribe. At the end of the day, the content of the treatment is almost the same.

ASPIREX:
A little background to aid your objectivity.....
I am a 47 year old Nigerian with a 43 year old wife. Married 13 years. Three kids; 12, 9 and 6.

I have a degree in humanities while she has a HND in Admin.

We are both involved in hustling in Lagos, Nigeria. The hustle hasn't paid off big time yet but we get by with about 3- 5 Mill earnings annually. We used to do much more than that until 3 years ago.

I have had significant international exposure having lived in UK as a child and also bisited all continents in the last 5 years.

lordally:


What opportunities are there in Europe and what countriessss?

WetinConsignMe:


The people who put up those statistics are not fool. What u see is actually the mean or median income not the average. They discount the extremes.

InvertedHammer:

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LOL. Excuses.

The argument I presented has always been the case against statistics. The data can be manipulated in any way to fit any narrative.


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stagger:


Thank you. I deliberately ended this angle of the discussion because there was no point arguing with her. Something I have experienced in Nigeria and France and can easily make comparison. I am blessed to be a speaker of more than one Nigerian language and I cannot tell you countless times I have heard shocking ethnophobic discussions being made in my presence in various places in Naija by people who never believed I could speak their language.

Some time ago, a VIO personnel in Abuja whom I had a squabble with after he tried to conjure up a fake traffic offence (and whomI rightly put in his place), was muttering away as I drove off in Hausa how these "nyamiris" have taken over Abuja and should be sent back to the South.

Institutional racism exists abroad: yes we agree. But what we have here is "ethnophobic, genocidal racism". Look at what the Fulani herdsmen are doing here. Look at Jos, Nimbo, Benue, etc. Does institutional racism abroad even come close to these?

A lot of people don't know how far gone Naija is under the current leadership of the country.

ASPIREX:
Countries that have been on my radar for a while have been Canada, USA and Australia....maybe because of the language similarities and the fact that I have visited all three and love them.

WetinConsignMe:


At least they have laws that prevent u from being overtly racist. In Naija u can be happily overtly tribalist - eg u may decide to hire only people from your tribe.

stagger:


Thank you. I deliberately ended this angle of the discussion because there was no point arguing with her. Something I have experienced in Nigeria and France and can easily make comparison. I am blessed to be a speaker of more than one Nigerian language and I cannot tell you countless times I have heard shocking ethnophobic discussions being made in my presence in various places in Naija by people who never believed I could speak their language.

Some time ago, a VIO personnel in Abuja whom I had a squabble with after he tried to conjure up a fake traffic offence (and whomI rightly put in his place), was muttering away as I drove off in Hausa how these "nyamiris" have taken over Abuja and should be sent back to the South.

Institutional racism exists abroad: yes we agree. But what we have here is "ethnophobic, genocidal racism". Look at what the Fulani herdsmen are doing here. Look at Jos, Nimbo, Benue, etc. Does institutional racism abroad even come close to these?

A lot of people don't know how far gone Naija is under the current leadership of the country.

WetinConsignMe:


At least they have laws that prevent u from being overtly racist. In Naija u can be happily overtly tribalist - eg u may decide to hire only people from your tribe.

Mizwisdom:


Brother, Do you feel like a stranger in Nigeria because of your skin color?
Are you stared at by other people in the street because of your color?
Are you picked on by security because of your color?
Are you less likely to work in corporate companies because of your color?
Do you feel uncomfortable in some top clas recreational places like hotels, bars et al because of your color?
Are you restricted by attitude of people from entering certain public places because of your color?
Are you limited from political growth because of your color?
If this happens in Nigeria, we agree that there's racism. Racism is discrimination based on the color of your skin and other physical features, while tribalism is segregation based on your ethnic group, it's not part of your body but your identity by choice or birth.

stagger:


The content is the same. Whether it is discrimination by colour, or discrimination by tribe.

Semantics is not what we are arguing here. I am literate and know the dictionary meanings of racism and ethnophobia.

stagger:


Can I tell you an experience I had in 2015? A new house I wanted to move to, and the landlord said he cannot take me as he only wants tenants that speak his language. I had to slap myself to make sure I heard right.

In my own country?

mikolam:


what is the difference between subtle racism and overt racism? Does anyone of them make you feel better?

WetinConsignMe:


Big difference. Overt racism is : ^we only hire white people" or "we don't serve blacks here" or "we don't admit blacks to this school or hospital etc" Huge difference.

Mizwisdom:


Brother, Do you feel like a stranger in Nigeria because of your skin color?
Are you stared at by other people in the street because of your color?
Are you picked on by security because of your color?
Are you less likely to work in corporate companies because of your color?
Do you feel uncomfortable in some top clas recreational places like hotels, bars et al because of your color?
Are you restricted by attitude of people from entering certain public places because of your color?
Are you limited from political growth because of your color?
If this happens in Nigeria, we agree that there's racism. Racism is discrimination based on the color of your skin and other physical features, while tribalism is segregation based on your ethnic group, it's not part of your body but your identity by choice or birth.

mikolam:


Why don’t you consider Germany, Finland, Sweden, Austria and other Scandinavian states? Some of them... scratch that...all of hem have better opportunities for you without breaking the bank. You might just have to learn the language but apart from that, they are very good!

ottizz:


I actually believe what we have in Nigeria is more of a deep seated ethnocentrism, because even in a particular tribe, you will still see people unjustly marginalized due to their village.

Timi1990:


Please invest that your $500,000 in Nigeria than dashing it out to American govt all in the name of citizenship & green card . Have you wondered why the likes of [b]coscharis, Okoya, ibru , adenuga, Otedola[/b]etc didn’t do that ? You can never have equal right like born citizens of the USA . Some people try it but it doesn’t really pay off

Chascop:


I live in LA, what about you?
I'd like to meet with you as regards this marriage issue. I seriously need help. I need an Igbo lady too biko.

santos247:
Hey guys,
this thread is so educative. Op, I am in your shoes.
At 36, Lecturing in Nigeria with 2 kids 5,3 and a wife,34. my GROSS salary is barely 1.7M per annum. It will take another 4-6 years waiting for promotion before that earning can reach 3Million pa. My thoughts ? Relocation !
My fears? Being able to start up in a new location. not necessarily the big earning jobs but won't want to wash plate or do gateman. Studied Agriculture and have a PhD already.
I dread the extreme cold in Canada but won't mind enduring for the sake of my kids and their future. Those in Canada, please what Jobs opportunities can someone like me fit into... Not much has been said about Australia here...How far with that area ??

Mizwisdom:



I think what we have here is tribalism among the poor masses not the elite. Don't you see they don't have time for such things? Most of them have friends and biz partners across all tribes It's poor people who think of tribe, elite focus on their interests, don't you think so
bro?

murphyibiam15:

wao..that's cool...can you send me your email so I can get across to you? so you can connect me to the travel agent?..that's if you wont mind..thanks

ttmax09:
Can i email you for the agent's number please

ottizz:


You are absolutely right.

My wife and I made this decision to bring each of our kids back to Nigeria after their middle school, after we noticed the deteriorating behavior and academics in our first child.

This same child now attend a top 10 liberal arts college in the US (2nd year), while her middle school friends are barely cutting it in community colleges or became dropouts. And yes, she did take SSCE and applied from Nigeria, but as a US citizen.

Entitlement mentality and peer influence are damaging kids' future in the US.

shawlar:


Read thru the following threads....They are filled with information & people’s experiences.

https://www.nairaland.com/4478747/diy-guide-australian-permanent-resident

https://www.nairaland.com/4657743/canadian-express-entry-federal-skilled


https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant