pazienza:


What you are doing, is akin to the wife who caught her husband with another woman, and decided to beat the woman, while absolving her Man of all blames. Not minding the fact that it was the husband who wooed the lady in the first place

If Onitsha and other Umuezechima towns don't go about shouting about how they migrated from and are Ancestrally Bini people, and their kings sniffing around the ass of Oba of Bini. The Bini people wouldn't be twisting the story of those towns.
They are willing accomplices to the Binis. The Bini are only reaching out to them, because they were the ones who started flirting with Binis. You would be biased if you are going to start blaming Binis for this.
Ask yourself, why is Bini not claiming or twisting the stories of Ogidi or Obosi? It's simple, we are not flirting with them by druming about ancestral Bini origin everyday. It takes two to tangle.

This is why I don't hold back when discussing about them(Anioma), neither do I let emotions becloud my judgement, whenever I'm dealing with issues concerning Anioma or Ikwerre/Ekpeye/Ogba.
I say it as it is.

In as much as I accept my Igboness as an Anioma person, I can't also deny the strong Benin Royal influence on every single community in Anioma and Onitsha. When Sypder880 posted the pics of the gateway to Issele Uku ( Oligbo Kingdom ), one could easily notice the small statue of the famous Benin Qween Idah Mask at the centre of the gate. Have you also noticed the Benin royal swords held by the Obis of the various communities in Anioma? The Obi of Issele Uku, as well the Obis of other Anioma communities cannot be crowned without the presence of the Oba of Benin himself or his representative from the Oba's palace. I have come to respect this strong Benin influence because, there is absolutely nothing I can do to change it. These Royal practices in Anioma are the major reasons why some people claim Benin ancestry. Apart from the Royal practices, every other cultural practice in Anioma is Igbocentric, from the new yam festival to speaking of the Igbo language, bearing Igbo names, placing of feathers on the red Caps of the Chiefs and elders, observing the 4 market days, OSU cast system, even the old and diabolic practice of making women suffer for their husbands' death was also practiced in Anioma among many others. These are also the reasons why there are some Igbocentric Anioma sons and daughters

BankeSmalls:


You're very correct to block them, fulanis Arabs like you cannot be from an Isreali linked tribe.

Lol. I am Igbo, not Fulani Arab or Israeli

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Lol. I am Igbo, not Fulani Arab or Israeli

And Am A Red Indian

nnamdijonathan:



In as much as I accept my Igboness as an Anioma person, I can't also deny the strong Benin Royal influence on every single community in Anioma and Onitsha. When Sypder880 posted the pics of the gateway to Issele Uku ( Oligbo Kingdom ), one could easily notice the small statue of the famous Benin Qween Idah Mask at the centre of the gate. Have you also noticed the Benin royal swords held by the Obis of the various communities in Anioma? The Obi of Issele Uku, as well the Obis of other Anioma communities cannot be crowned without the presence of the Oba of Benin himself or his representative from the Oba's palace. I have come to respect this strong Benin influence because, there is absolutely nothing I can do to change it. These Royal practices in Anioma are the major reasons why some people claim Benin ancestry. Apart from the Royal practices, every other cultural practice in Anioma is Igbocentric, from the new yam festival to speaking of the Igbo language, bearing Igbo names, placing of feathers on the red Caps of the Chiefs and elders, observing the 4 market days, OSU cast system, even the old and diabolic practice of making women suffer for their husbands' death was also practiced in Anioma among many others. This are also the reasons why there are some Igbocentric Anioma sons and daughters

Bla bla bla

What's the name of our Obi of Isele Ukwu? What language does he speak?
I can hear you brains creaking noisily as you manually yank your thoughts to desperately find a reason for those names. Maybe the Oba of Benin changed our names to Igbo names

CyynthiaKiss:


Pazienza is not and can never be abagwooro.
Abagwooro is anti Ibo, Pazienza is not. Follow Pazienza's comments and understand where he's heading to.

Pazienza is afraid of rejection that's coming from some SS Igbos especially from Ikweere and Ika side.
If you are suspecting that someone you call your brother is trying to to reject you in the public, reject him ist to maintain your dignity. Nobody would like his integrity to be dragged in the mud. Some people from that axis are annoying, very very annoying . Igbo from SS should be the ones embracing their Big brothers not the other way round.

Note : there are many good Igbos from SS who never denied their Identity or Insulted
SE Igbos.
But those that are Insulting SE Igbos are louder...Whether they are in minority or majority...i don't know.

Crude oil is a curse to this country. By next 30 yrs when oil will become worthless, by then we shall know who is who.

my sister even in the next 50 years, Crude oil can never be worthless. What you should have said is that Petrol will be worthless in the next 30 years not crude oil. Let me give some points to backup my claim:
1) With the current success recorded in building electric trucks, it will take many years for the developed nations to finally do without diesel powered dump trucks, haul trucks, garbage trucks, articulated trucks etc
2) Electric Aircrafts are currently not being developed and those which were built few years back by NASA could not carry one human not to talk of humans + travelling bags. Jet fighters can never use electricity same goes for passenger airplanes and helicopters. Aviation fuel will still be in use even after the next 100 years.
3) Nuclear powdered cargo Ships will not be produced for public and business purposes in order to avoid nuclear hard wear from getting into the wrong hands which means cargo ships, tug boats etc will continue to use fuel oil for a very time. Fuel oil is also gotten from crude oil just like diesel, petrol and Kerosene ( aviation fuel )
4) Most of the worlds Asphalt comes from crude oil
5) Crude oil is the source of all plastics produced in the world today. Bio plastic production cannot overtake petroleum plastic because, the world's population will have divide its agricultural produce for consumption and production biofuel and bio plastic which is not viable.
6) Biofuel production is more expansive than petroleum fuel production. More than half of the earth's landmass will have to covered with palm trees or Algae in order to meet up with production of renewable bio fuel
7) Crude oil is the only viable source of producing the world's lubricating oil, grease, synthetic oil and mineral oil ( used for producing transmission fluid, gear oil, hydraulic oil etc ), chemicals for explosive production, vaccine product, dye production, cooking gas, laboratory gas, fuel for industrial production etc
These are just few reasons out of a whole lots more why crude oil can never be worthless in the next 50 years.

BankeSmalls:

Bla bla bla
What's the name of our Obi of Isele Ukwu?

Obi Nduka Eziagwuna, Agbogidi of Oligbo Kingdom. PS. It is "Issele Uku" not "Isele Ukwu"

nnamdijonathan:


Obi Nduka Eziagwuna, Agbogidi of Oligbo Kingdom.
PS. It is "Issele Uku" not "Isele Ukwu"

What does Nduka mean in Benin language?
Maybe, just maybe it was Nnamdi Kanu that changed our names and language to Igbo names

BankeSmalls:


Bla bla bla

What's the name of our Obi of Isele Ukwu? What language does he speak?
I can hear you brains creaking noisily as you manually yank your thoughts to desperately find a reason for those names. Maybe the Oba of Benin changed our names to Igbo names

I'm not sure you read the post

InyinyaAgbaOku:


I can't spend my whole life disputing this fallacy of replacing my history or heritage with that of Hebrews. I have done those discussions more than Buhari has traveled out of the country.
Those folks as Maduewesi and Remi Ilona used to be my facebook friends and when I couldn't stand their fallacies and the insults such bring to Igbo heritage , I blocked the hell out of them. Including their facebook disciples, minus one that makes sense in other spheres. Igbo people are far older than Abraham.
Basden? Nothing is as sacrilegious as a white man telling me my origin .All what those peeps did were use funny sounding similarities to form vague linkages, that's all. Nothing particularly factual.

See how Igbo names/words were being bastardized to make room for possible similarities.
Being Igbos should be enough for us, nothing useful has ever come from this exercise, aside making Igbos look like people looking for attachment. Probably why I am antagonistic about those that try to convince some other people when they deny being Igbo. ....


For every one of those vague similarities, thousands of dissimilarities abound. Books on Igbo history are plenty, that you happen to be exposed to those paraded by jonsers doesn't mean they are the only ones that exist. I don't even consider them as books on Igbo history or customs in the first place. I will search and fetch one of the most powerful books that specifically trashed out Remi Ilona's projections, paragraph by paragraph. The day I came across that book is one of the happiest days in my life, it shows some Igbos have sense of pride and no complex as the likes of Maduewesi and Co possess.

Every tribe within the Igbo groups has the origin of their people, and none said anything Hebrew, not even that of Aguleri/umuleri, a story that the introduction of the Bible spurred. Awka people believe their ancestors are from the soil and I rather go with that, if I can believe Adam was made from the soil in Eden, it then means that God concurrently was making a man at Awka, albeit, centuries older.
Nkanu history doesn't have anything to do with Hebrew too, we traced our own from Nike...We don't play that league.
All you Eri descendants should speak for yourselves and stop dragging the rest of Igboland with you. We don't want.
Thanks

The issue was very simple. (1) What are your theories and hypothesis of Igbo origin?. (2)Both gentlemen you mentioned above are reputable scholars who advanced differing viewpoints on the subject matter. (4) How come Igbo customs and Omenana are the only ones that are exclusively Hebraic? (5) Scholars are people with open minds and not given to emotional outbursts and passive dismissal of opposing views without giving alternative facts.(5) For the benefit of all and sundry,kindly lead the discussion on Igbo history here.(6) Lest I forget,your assertion about Aguleri/Umuleri above was laughable at most. Good day sir.

nnamdijonathan:


I'm not sure you read the post

Something tells me you're afraid of answering my questions?

Handsomegod:
The issue was very simple. (1) What are your theories and hypothesis of Igbo origin?. (2)Both gentlemen you mentioned above are reputable scholars who advanced differing viewpoints on the subject matter. (4) How come Igbo customs and Omenana are the only ones that are exclusively Hebraic? (5) Scholars are people with open minds and not given to emotional outbursts and passive dismissal of opposing views without giving alternative facts.(5) For the benefit of all and sundry,kindly lead the discussion on Igbo history here.(6) Lest I forget,your assertion about Aguleri/Umuleri above was laughable at most. Good day sir.

Sire, you went to a good school (I gara akwukwo na ulo elu )

Only people who went to school where classrooms are upstairs can reason this good.

BankeSmalls:


Something tells me you're afraid of answering my questions?

and something tells me you are asking those childish questions because you did not read my post and comprehend well.

nnamdijonathan:



In as much as I accept my Igboness as an Anioma person, I can't also deny the strong Benin Royal influence on every single community in Anioma and Onitsha. When Sypder880 posted the pics of the gateway to Issele Uku ( Oligbo Kingdom ), one could easily notice the small statue of the famous Benin Qween Idah Mask at the centre of the gate. Have you also noticed the Benin royal swords held by the Obis of the various communities in Anioma? The Obi of Issele Uku, as well the Obis of other Anioma communities cannot be crowned without the presence of the Oba of Benin himself or his representative from the Oba's palace. I have come to respect this strong Benin influence because, there is absolutely nothing I can do to change it. These Royal practices in Anioma are the major reasons why some people claim Benin ancestry. Apart from the Royal practices, every other cultural practice in Anioma is Igbocentric, from the new yam festival to speaking of the Igbo language, bearing Igbo names, placing of feathers on the red Caps of the Chiefs and elders, observing the 4 market days, OSU cast system, even the old and diabolic practice of making women suffer for their husbands' death was also practiced in Anioma among many others. These are also the reasons why there are some Igbocentric Anioma sons and daughters

That mask became famous later, most people at the time it was made wouldn't have seen it, it was an accessory, although in some Anioma towns it seems they had the statue of the Oba of Benin in their shrines in the past.

Handsomegod:
The issue was very simple. (1) What are your theories and hypothesis of Igbo origin?. (2)Both gentlemen you mentioned above are reputable scholars who advanced differing viewpoints on the subject matter. (4) How come Igbo customs and Omenana are the only ones that are exclusively Hebraic? (5) Scholars are people with open minds and not given to emotional outbursts and passive dismissal of opposing views without giving alternative facts.(5) For the benefit of all and sundry,kindly lead the discussion on Igbo history here.(6) Lest I forget,your assertion about Aguleri/Umuleri above was laughable at most. Good day sir.

Wrong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4bvjMh4vc

pazienza:


Onicha is one of those proto Igbo word that it's meaning has been lost.

Another wildspread Word like Onicha used all over Igbo speaking realm is "Owerre".

1. Owerre-Uratta (Popular Owerri Imo capital)
2. Owelle-Ezukala (Orumba Anambra)
3. Owerre-Olubor (Ika Delta)
4. Umueleke Owerre ( Mbano Imo)
5. Owerrinta (Abia state)
6. Owerre. (Awgu Enugu)

Pazienza you need to go back and update this list for future use, the same way ckenneths did his on the onicha listing. People have added more owerre names.
1. Owerre-Obukpa (Nsukka Enugu state)
2. Owerre-Nkwoji (Nkwerre Imo state)
3. Owerre-Ebeiri (Orlu Imo state)
And more from other posters.

Good points lol

Handsomegod:
The issue was very simple. (1) What are your theories and hypothesis of Igbo origin?. (2)Both gentlemen you mentioned above are reputable scholars who advanced differing viewpoints on the subject matter. (4) How come Igbo customs and Omenana are the only ones that are exclusively Hebraic? (5) Scholars are people with open minds and not given to emotional outbursts and passive dismissal of opposing views without giving alternative facts.(5) For the benefit of all and sundry,kindly lead the discussion on Igbo history here.(6) Lest I forget,your assertion about Aguleri/Umuleri above was laughable at most. Good day sir.

Chiwude:
Pazienza you need to go back and update this list for future use, the same way ckenneths did his on the onicha listing. People have added more owerre names.
1. Owerre-Obukpa (Nsukka Enugu state)
2. Owerre-Nkwoji (Nkwerre Imo state)
3. Owerre-Ebeiri (Orlu Imo state)
And more from other posters.

Thanks, I have updated it.

ckenneths:
We are still in Agbor

Ckenneths thanks a million for the updates on Agbor. Somebody was giving us hope towards Christmas but here you are feeding us with cute pictures already. I had been to places but Agbor still has the greatest surprise to me giving the almost 30years I had looked at it as inconsequential village not knowing it's a bustling city. We really need to start internal tourism to actually discover what we have, how far we have gone and the enormous potentials in Igbo land. I even took a bike to Owa the home town of the governor Ifeanyichukwu Okowa (son of Owa) and other communities while my car was being fixed ,it was humbling .This is a chance the governor has to develope all the towns as one entity ,provide infrastructure and bring investors for employment opportunities as this opportunity may not come in this generation again.
Thanks to op for creating this thread as this is impacting positively on Igbo renaissance. No time is better than now. Post colonial Igbo successes in all spheres are back after the war setback, not only that other Nigerians are observing, the world is taking note. Let's imbibe humility, hard work ,excellence, diligence, smartness and lookout for one another - the foremost Igbo philosophy - Onye aghana nwanne ya.

ezeagu:


Wrong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4bvjMh4vc

Oga i finally saw the youtube video you sent and the following were obvious:
1. The speaker is another European speaker pushing and magnifying Caucasian theories of white superiority.
2. He admitted that Africa has a much longer human evolution evidence yet turned around to claim human species originated from Asia. However,credible evidence and studies established Africa is the cradle of the human race and civilization.
3.I saw how he failed to mention the Moors who were the Black nobility who ruled much of the known world in pre-historic times.
4. Much of his hypothesis were based on findings and theories generated in the 18th century whereas Nri civilization dated to 6th century and even long before then.
5.The video you referred me to failed to address the issue under discussion.I expected to watch a frontal rebuttal of Igbo-Hebraic hypothesis. Nothing of such was mentioned which further cast a long shadow of doubt on your credibility for such studies and further discussion on this matter.
6. Again,studies establishing Igbo-Hebrew links were even championed by Jewish and European Scholars. Refer to Jeff Liberman's documentary "Re-Emerging:The Jews of Nigeria. North Eastern University Professor William F.S. Miles published a book titled "The Jews of Nigeria:An Afro-Judaic Odyssey. A Swiss Jewish studies Professor,Daniel Lis,published a book in 2013 titled "A book on Nigerian Jews".
7.CNN did a major story on the “Nigeria’s Igbo Jews:’Lost Tribe’ of Israel?” In that program, it quoted Prof. Daniel Lis. “Daniel Lis, from the Institute for Jewish Studies, University of Basel, Switzerland, is one of the foremost researchers on Jewish identification among the Igbo. He says there has been a clear continuity of Jewish identity among the Igbo. It’s not just something that happened yesterday.
8. Finally,all these wouldn’t make much meaning if the wooden stool in Nri, which is considered as the cradle of much of the Igbo stock does not exist, more so existing in the said location before Igbos made any contact with outsiders. The wooden stool is said to be made from a wood whose tree only exists or grows in the city of Jerusalem. This appears to be one of the most compelling pieces of evidence of Igbo Jewish heritage that ignited former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin to send delegates to Igboland in search of “Eri” with the purpose of establishing this fact. The research in this regard is still on but to what extent can one think of Igbos having Jewish origin or the possibility of Jews springing out from Igbos still rages.

Please note: i approach the above studies purely from an academic point of view all and a bid to make sense of both the forgotten and prevailing Igbo traditions,culture and mores which appear symbiotic with past and contemporary Jewish traditions. Again,this neither for polemics nor fruitless debate.Let us enrich the discussion the best way we can.

[quote author=Handsomegod post=71733607] The issue was very simple. (1) What are your theories and hypothesis of Igbo origin?. (2)Both gentlemen you mentioned above are reputable scholars who advanced differing viewpoints on the subject matter. (4) How come Igbo customs and Omenana are the only ones that are exclusively Hebraic? (5) Scholars are people with open minds and not given to emotional outbursts and passive dismissal of opposing views without giving alternative facts.(5) For the benefit of all and sundry,kindly lead the discussion on Igbo history here.(6) Lest I forget,your assertion about Aguleri/Umuleri above was laughable at most. Good day sir.[/quote

what's the difference between what you wrote up there and what I have been condemning?
Basing Igbo heritage on similarities in one or two customs and bastardization of Igbo words to simulate whatever you see in Hebrew , what the hell? The Eri of Aguleri has nothing to do with Hebrew Eri, not even the same pronunciation.

There is nothing like Igbo history, Igbo people existed differently in clans with their several origins, none of which is Hebrew in origin. You couldn't even refute any point I mentioned there but went on to tag me emotional. Who wouldn't be emotional seeing his history willed to some foreigners? And to think this spinning of Igbo history was initiated by colonials, yet, some people took it, is baffling.
Which of your ancestors told you you originated from Hebrew? Is that what the chief priests of your village told you?
So, you rather leave the practitioners of the real Igbo religion to chase spin stories.

Kindly peruse these documents written by Igbos that are proud of their heritage , not folks like Remy and Maduewesi.
There, you will see origin of different Igbo groups.

https://igbocybershrine.com/2012/11/21/a-re-emerging-scam-a-review-of-the-jews-of-nigeria-part-1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/igbocybershrine.com/2013/01/23/a-re-emerging-scam-a-review-of-the-jews-of-nigeria-part-2-3/amp

B2mario:
You are right bro. Add to the list, Owerre-Nkworji (Nkwerre, Imo state), Owerre-Aba (Abia state), and Ihitte-Owerri (Orlu, Imo state). Other wide-spread names are Aboh, Ihitte/Ifitte, and Uburu/Ubulu. Idemili exists only in Anambra and Imo.

Egbelu is also popular in Southern axis.

I strongly condemn and reject the addition of Agbor to Igboland. Ika has nothing to offer other than contaminating Igbos with their identity crisis.

ckenneths:
Owerri, Imo state

Looks more like Orji town not Owerri.

ckenneths:
Owerri, Imo state

Looks more like Orji town not Owerri.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7888269_2018090707_18_06_jpeg3ecbb56c6aad36dbed5f375193ebcafd

Abagworo:


Looks more like Orji town not Owerri.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7888269_2018090707_18_06_jpeg3ecbb56c6aad36dbed5f375193ebcafd

Is Orji not in Owerri?

InyinyaAgbaOku:

Thanks Bro,

It is a big insult on our ancestors to propogate that jewish nonsense. Our ancestors were already living in our present homeland when the hebrews were roaming the desert searching for their promised land.

Curlieweed:


Thanks Bro,

It is a big insult on our ancestors to propogate that jewish nonsense. Our ancestors were already living in our present homeland when the hebrews were roaming the desert searching for their promised land.

It really is a big insult to our ancestors. Just because there was some similarities doesn't mean that we are the same with the Jews. It time we stop pushing this Jewish stories which are simply false.

Just because a tortoise is similar to a turtle doesn't mean a tortoise is the same as a turtle.

accepting the jewish tag is nauseating and disheartening at the same time as it reeks inferiority complex. the igbos are a pure negro stock. its pure bs saying we are jews.

odogwu125:

Ya. We are pure Negro but with possible Jewish mix as evidences seem to suggest

We are not mixed with anything. DNA evidence has already disproven that. Please guys lets squash this myth once and all.