Bede2u:
did aligning with the north pan out well?

A zik who was prime minister is better than a zik who was president...regardless of who he aligned with.

Another mistake from zik

I understand, I just have a feeling the other one wouldn't have augured out well either.
There is a part of the story where Ojukwu was supposed to have a pact with this same Awolowo over sth , right?

InyinyaAgbaOku:
So, folks, what do we do about these our new age Igbo governors?
They invited the FG to fight IPOB. i'm not even a member of IPOB but the fact the invited the army to kill our people means we are dealing with Ironsis, so what do we do?

i will always say that ipob presented a unique opportunity for a new politics in the east.

We wasted that opportunity. Kanu wasted that opportunity by not knowing wen to tone down and negotiate.

If u want to punish or change our current govs, u have rally round someone to do it. Who is such a person? Kanu is probably dead. And we have no popular leader now who can lead the change

InyinyaAgbaOku:
So, folks, what do we do about these our new age Igbo governors?
They invited the FG to fight IPOB. i'm not even a member of IPOB but the fact the invited the army to kill our people means we are dealing with Ironsis, so what do we do?

My brother it may seem as if I'm an ironsi apologetic, but how would Ironsi, who is accused by the north of shielding his coup plotting kinsmen, be one to allow northerners to attack IPOB?

If ironsi were to be today's leader in alaigbo, he would be accused of shielding IPOB and his othet igbo kinsmen.

What is going on here?

Bede2u:
i will always say that ipob presented a unique opportunity for a new politics in the east.

We wasted that opportunity. Kanu wasted that opportunity by not knowing wen to tone down and negotiate.

If u want to punish or change our current govs, u have rally round someone to do it. Who is such a person? Kanu is probably dead. And we have no popular leader now who can lead the change

That's not the issue now.
What are we going to do with these Ironsis in power?
Kanu came for a different reason, other than tackling these leaders to imitate Mbakwe, Okpara and Ibiam.
Imagine, handing us to the FG just like that, cos of power?
They are the ones that will face what Nzeogwu did to some people if they are not careful. That joke was expensive

Without ZIK, Okpara would not have been the premier of the eastern region.

Bede2u:
nzeogwu was an idiot whose memory should be cursed. Idiot thought nigeria was a small country he could control...he didnt appreciate the strenght of the north. Today, the east could have at least been wat lagos is to nigeria today..the richest zone...where the money is.

Enugu and ph could have been like abuja and lagos. The east had it all...but it wasnt enough...nzogwu and his goons wanted more...they got death instead. Curse their memory. Am sad now

Nzogwu wasn't the initiator of the coup and had no intention of becoming the leader of Nigeria. The real plotters are from the southwest and they had the intention of killing all the then leaders including Zik and Ironsi, freeing Awolowo from jail and making him the prime minister. Nzogwu bought the idea as he was a fan of Awolowo and thought that what he was doing was right. Not knowing that it could be devastating.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
So, folks, what do we do about these our new age Igbo governors?
They invited the FG to fight IPOB. i'm not even a member of IPOB but the fact the invited the army to kill our people means we are dealing with Ironsis, so what do we do?

No south east Governor invited the military. Please this narrative should end before it becomes the truth. We were all witness to PMB planned militarization of the South-East from inception. Did you not hear of Python Dance 1 which didn't pull grounds before the formation of Egwu Eke 2. The only thing the Governors were guilty of was docility. Failure to challenge Buhari's military agenda in Igboland, maybe stemming from the fact that Buhari may have even gone ahead to uphold emergency rule in the whole of the South-East and forcefully removed our Governors from their elected positions. Did Kanu heed to the warnings by Ohaneze and South-East Governors forum? No he didn't and wanted to plunge the Igbo nation into another unprepared civil war with the federal government. You guys should be wise.

These are wawa people that their state could not even produce anyone that cannot even tie Zik's shoes are talking. Shioo

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Bede2u:
zik's vain-glory and stupidity cost us.

If i were him, i would NEVER join east with nigeria after oil got discovered.. i would drag my foot until i understand the extent of the oil and wat our options were.

Oil that already made rockerfella the richest man in history 200 years prior
Wat i will be thinking would be how rich i and my family would become if we came to control the oil 100%

I will rather die than hand over oil found in my territory to the larger nigerian nation.

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Great points

pazienza:


Herbert Macaulay was no Igbo leader, Zik was. That's the difference.

There were many advice coming from all quarters for Ojukwu, ultimately, he couldn't have taken everyone's advise. By the way, do you mind explaining what you mean by "wise counsel" . Can you enumerate those wise counsels to Ojukwu that he rejected, let's see how wise they were, taking cognizance of the situation then.

Ironsi created a big mess. First he dissolved Igbo Union. Then he went on a folly driven mission to unify the government. Then he failed to present Nzeogwu and co to the North to butcher, since he was eager to please them.
If he wasn't going to butcher Nzeogwu and co to appease and pacify the aggrieved North, the next option was to surround himself with Igbo officers and carefully eliminate Northern officers who posed immediate danger.
Instead he did the opposite. He kept Nzeogwu and co alive, and then went and surrounded himself with Northerners. His decision to centralize the government made the propaganda of "Igbo coup" propagated by western region media gain more credibility.
Ironsi contributed a major part to the break out of Igbo progrom in the North, his poor leadership allowed the counter coup to occur. He was easily the worst leader in Igbo history and he left the young Ojukwu with too much mess to clean up when he was murdered.

Nobody is belittling anyone. And nobody has stopped other Igbos from celebrating their own achievements, but what won't happen is those who don't want to celebrate their own achievements, feeling aggrieved about Ndi Anambra celebrating theirs.

superlightning:


My brother it may seem as if I'm an ironsi apologetic, but how would Ironsi, who is accused by the north of shielding his coup plotting kinsmen, be one to allow northerners to attack IPOB?

If ironsi were to be today's leader in alaigbo, he would be accused of shielding IPOB and his othet igbo kinsmen.

Let's remove the name, Ironsi from it .
What do we do with our governors?
Concrete performance - Zero
Igbocentric - Zero

Double tragedy

Igbos nwere mmadu

Anambra-- Zik, Ojukwu, Ukpabi Asika, Nwafor Orizu

Abia --Michael Okpara

Ebonyi-- Aja Nwachukwu

Imo-- Mbadiwe

Enugu--- ??

Bede2u:
that coup was everything....it changed everything.

There where 5 provinces in the east...onitsha, owerri, ogoja, rivers and calabar. Their capital where also the cities the provinces where named after...except rivers which had ph as capital.

If the provinces where given increased revenue according to derivation, we would have had 6 highly developed cities in the east...that would have reduced agitation as most ppl will leave the villages and move to the cities and stopped playing clannish politics.

By now most peeps from niger delta would have been speaking fluent igbo...and reasoning like igbo ppl.

The capital of Owerri was Umuahia.

Enugu is the only state in the SE that only produce nothing, they do not produce human capital neither do they produce material resources. Why would I say that Enugu state is not a worthless and useless state?

Bede2u:
that coup was everything....it changed everything.

There where 5 provinces in the east...onitsha, owerri, ogoja, rivers and calabar. Their capital where also the cities the provinces where named after...except rivers which had ph as capital.

If the provinces where given increased revenue according to derivation, we would have had 6 highly developed cities in the east...that would have reduced agitation as most ppl will leave the villages and move to the cities and stopped playing clannish politics.

By now most peeps from niger delta would have been speaking fluent igbo...and reasoning like igbo ppl.

The capital of Owerri was Umuahia. Is like Abakiliki was the one of Ogoja.

B2mario:
Nzogwu wasn't the initiator of the coup and had no intention of becoming the leader of Nigeria. The real plotters are from the southwest and they had the intention of killing all the then leaders including Zik and Ironsi, freeing Awolowo from jail and making him the prime minister. Nzogwu bought the idea as he was a fan of Awolowo and thought that what he was doing was right. Not knowing that it could be devastating.

This is what I mean by carrying Nigeria on one's head, not minding the tribal realities.
Why should Nzeogwu buy into it when Awolowo had kinsmen?
What that means is that if things go south, you and your own kinsmen will go down and that's what exactly happened. It went on to change Nigeria's and Igbo history in particular

They are only good at discussing how others failed, has Enugu state ever produced any leader the SE can proud of? Even if it is an IPOB or MASSOB leader? Why is it that Enugu state people are useless and worthless?

Bede2u:
i will always say that ipob presented a unique opportunity for a new politics in the east.

We wasted that opportunity. Kanu wasted that opportunity by not knowing wen to tone down and negotiate.

If u want to punish or change our current govs, u have rally round someone to do it. Who is such a person? Kanu is probably dead. And we have no popular leader now who can lead the change

onuebonyi:
Without ZIK, Okpara would not have been the premier of the eastern region.

without Ironsi, ojukwu wouldn't have become the governor of the eastern region. Touché?

Chiwude:
No south east Governor invited the military. Please this narrative should end before it becomes the truth. We were all witness to PMB planned militarization of the South-East from inception. Did you not hear of Python Dance 1 which didn't pull grounds before the formation of Egwu Eke 2. The only thing the Governors were guilty of was docility. Failure to challenge Buhari's military agenda in Igboland, maybe stemming from the fact that Buhari may have even gone ahead to uphold emergency rule in the whole of the South-East and forcefully removed our Governors from their elected positions. Did Kanu heed to the warnings by Ohaneze and South-East Governors forum? No he didn't and wanted to plunge the Igbo nation into another unprepared civil war with the federal government. You guys should be wise.

I agree with you.
You summarized everything the way it happened.
Sad story

superlightning:



without Ironsi, ojukwu wouldn't have become the governor of the eastern region. Touché?

Don't reply that mumu again.
This thread has been sane for quite some time.
Thanks

Mention one person ever come out of Enugu state that untie Zik's shoe lace?

ZIK was among the Africa's leading light, he was not a local champion. ZIK played in the international league where he influenced the likes Kwame Nkrumah etc.

InyinyaAgbaOku:


There are far more Anambra people in Enugu state civil service than the other way round, yet, we keep hearing of what happened in 1991 , that followed state creation in most regions. It's alright.

About Zik,all you listed was achievable by him. If he could get Nigeria independence without bloodshed ( a phenomenon documented globally by observers) and start a Pan African movement named after him, there was nothing he couldn't have achieved , if he had set out to do it.
The only thing he didn't achieve in his life was being president post civil war era and that's because Igbos, including him, had begun to suffer from his previous inactions.

So, setting the Eastern region into what you described above was like 'beans' for him. That's part of why I believed that if he had intervened the right way, and with all his international connections, Nigerian division, pre 1951 or Biafra, late 60s , would have come on a platter of gold. Dude wasn't just interested.
The so called advice he was giving Ojukwu , prior to the war ( that people are harping about and calling Ojukwu stubborn for) ,was summarily for Igbos to remain in Nigeria, not minding the pogroms. How possible was that? Ojukwu had to shove him aside so he could concentrate. And what did Zik do after?
He vamoosed.

And let's remember Ojukwu didn't start the secession alone. There was a referendum in the Eastern region . He also worked with a lot of intellegensia , like Achebe, Okigbo and Co. We heap these blames on Ojukwu and identify all his mistakes just because we lost.

B2mario:
The capital of Owerri was Umuahia. Is like Abakiliki was the one of Ogoja.

ogoja was ogoja

superlightning:



without Ironsi, ojukwu wouldn't have become the governor of the eastern region. Touché?

Let me enlighten you. Eyo Etta won in the Eastern region while Zik won in the Western region. When the SW did their politics and Zik lost out, he quickly moved to the East and removed Eyo Etta and replaced him with Okpara. Go and read your history

Idiotic mumu, it has been sane because you sat like mumu dishing out your lies. I am back to set the records straight.

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Don't reply that mumu again.
This thread has been sane for quite some time.
Thanks

onuebonyi:
Igbos nwere mmadu

Anambra-- Zik, Ojukwu, Ukpabi Asika, Nwafor Orizu

Abia --Michael Okpara

Ebonyi-- Aja Nwachukwu

Imo-- Mbadiwe

Enugu--- ??

What are you getting at impostor? Subtly projecting your ANAMBRA complex?

Abia - Okpara, Alvan Ikoku (check your N10 note portrait), Ironsi, Jaja Wachuku.....

Keep abia state off your freaking list, we ain't your mate. Respect yourself sir.

aniomafirstson:


You keep blaming the likes of zik and Nzeogwu for what they did.
Oga they have done their part.
what we should do now is learn from their mistakes.
Give our heroes some respect please.
ojukwu,zik and Nzeogwu all did what they thought was best for igboland.

Nzeogwu did not think what's best for the Igbo nation, he was a big idiot that should have be shot by Ironsi, or sent to the north to be butchered both him and Ifeajuna. Both Zik and Ironsi are other idiots we have whose actions and inactions brought us where we are today. Cursed be all of them.

superlightening read

Add your own but whether you want to accept it or not Anambra is the leader in the SE.

superlightning:


What are you getting at impostor? Subtly projecting your ANAMBRA complex?

Abia - Okpara, Alvan Ikoku (check your N10 note portrait), Ironsi, Jaja Wachuku.....

Keep abia state off your freaking list, we ain't your mate. Respect yourself sir.

Chiwude:
Nzeogwu did not think what's best for the Igbo nation, he was a big idiot that should have be shot by Ironsi, or sent to the north to be butchered both him and Ifeajuna. Both Zik and Ironsi are other idiots we have whose actions and inactions brought us where we are today. Cursed be all of them.

i thought u told pazienza that i was bringing division and being uncoth...

Lol u are just as angry as i am...touché

onuebonyi:



Let me enlighten you. Eyo Etta won in the Eastern region while Zik won in the Western region. When the SW did their politics and Zik lost out, he quickly moved to the East and removed Eyo Etta and replaced him with Okpara. Go and read your history

Sorry, alternative account says otherwise. Yoruba at the last minute rejected zik, who later ran back to bully eyo ita out of the leadership. Okpara was too good to be ignored and he proved himself as such, zik appetite for leadership was at lagos capital at the time. Okpara was just as Igbo and good (if not better) in leading the eastern region. So he owes zik NOTHING, he has long paid his due.

superlightning:


What are you getting at impostor? Subtly projecting your ANAMBRA complex?

Abia - Okpara, Alvan Ikoku (check your N10 note portrait), Ironsi, Jaja Wachuku.....

Keep abia state off your freaking list, we ain't your mate. Respect yourself sir.

You're getting on my nerves now by replying that dude. Are you for us or against us I ask. Or do I call you a fool for not listening to our advices.

Chiwude:
You're getting on my nerves now by replying that dude. Are you for us or against us I ask.

I am for common sense. I hate divisions. Stop the division.