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Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:18pm On Oct 04, 2018
Unfortunately Enugu state has no one to celebrate right from 1960 till now. It is really hurting. You people need education to develop human capital.
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:20pm On Oct 04, 2018
Handsomegod:
Aside that those sent to Enugu to complete the killings of the noted Igbo leaders failed in their bid,the Arch Bishop of Cyprus was in the East as at that day. It would have been a diplomatic lunacy and blunder to carry out a coup with a such a dignitary in tow. Fate was just against a conclusive success of that coup by all indications. Again,recall British was still the covert string puller in Nigeria then as they are today. They were not silly to thrust power to the north. If that coup had favoured the north,nothing would have happened. Please quit castigating Nzeogwu. He did what was considered the best interest of the nation at his time. Quit giving our enemies live bullets to finish us by perpetuating their false narratives of the putsch and the war proper.
i dont want to go into certain things in detail...but was the arch bishop of canterbury also vising osadebeh in benin that he wasnt killed?

Was jesus visting ironsi that he wasnt killed? Who was visiting Nwafor Orizu?

Nzeogwu was a yoruba born- hausa trained vagabon who has no place in igbo political pride
Re: . by basilo101: 11:20pm On Oct 04, 2018
Handsomegod:
Aside that those sent to Enugu to complete the killings of the noted Igbo leaders failed in their bid,the Arch Bishop of Cyprus was in the East as at that day. It would have been a diplomatic lunacy and blunder to carry out a coup with a such a dignitary in tow. Fate was just against a conclusive success of that coup by all indications. Again,recall British was still the covert string puller in Nigeria then as they are today. They were not silly to thrust power to the north. If that coup had favoured the north,nothing would have happened. Please quit castigating Nzeogwu. He did what was considered the best interest of the nation at his time. Quit giving our enemies live bullets to finish us by perpetuating their false narratives of the putsch and the war proper.
Why didn't ironsi execute the coupist.

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Re: . by basilo101: 11:22pm On Oct 04, 2018
Bede2u:
i dont want to go into certain things in detail...but was the arch bishop of canterbury also vising osadebeh in benin that he wasnt killed?

Was jesus visting ironsi that he wasnt killed? Who was visiting Nwafor Orizu?

Nzeogwu was a yoruba born- hausa trained vagabon who has no place in igbo political pride
Not only nzeogwu. Igbos went too far in a lot of things in those days.
Re: . by basilo101: 11:24pm On Oct 04, 2018
Those who come here to whitewash those ugly history in order to "celebrate their own" should get a life
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:27pm On Oct 04, 2018
basilo101:

Not only nzeogwu. Igbos went too far in a lot of things in those days.
we shouldnt say everything here
Re: . by Ozibe: 11:27pm On Oct 04, 2018
This is what I saw in Ibadan last week.. Fed poly Ede.

I had once seen an IVM SUV. That one too had OAUTHC on it number.

Federal institutions are beginning to look inward for locally made cars because, they are cheaper .

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Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:28pm On Oct 04, 2018
It is simply because your state no single worthy person to celebrate. Stop envying others. Let your state start developing human capital. Education is key.
Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:30pm On Oct 04, 2018
Whoa cool.. automobile as made in Anambra. LOL


Ozibe:
This is what I saw in Ibadan last week.. Fed poly Ede.

I had once seen an IVM SUV. That one too had OAUTHC on it number.

Federal institutions are beginning to look inward for locally made cars because, they are cheaper .
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:30pm On Oct 04, 2018
basilo101:
Those who come here to whitewash those ugly history in order to "celebrate their own" should get a life
there is nothing to celebrate in the politics played by

Zik
Kaduna nzeogwu
Ojukwu
Ironsi

The 4 of them ruined igbos and buried us.

U can celebrate their 'firsts'

First army goc, 1st president, 1st army graduate etc...but u just shouldnt celebrate their politics. It was grossly naive

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Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:32pm On Oct 04, 2018
But how come there were no one from Enugu state that has ever made any of these lists, either by mistake or error. Lol


Bede2u:
there is nothing to celebrate in the politics played by

Zik
Kaduna nzeogwu
Ojukwu
Ironsi

The 4 of them ruined igbos and buried us.

U can celebrate their 'firsts'

First army goc, 1st president, 1st army graduate etc...but u just shouldnt celebrate their politics. It was grossly naive
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 11:33pm On Oct 04, 2018
Bede2u:
zik's vain-glory and stupidity cost us.

If i were him, i would NEVER join east with nigeria after oil got discovered.. i would drag my foot until i understand the extent of the oil and wat our options were.

Oil that already made rockerfella the richest man in history 200 years prior
Wat i will be thinking would be how rich i and my family would become if we came to control the oil 100%

I will rather die than hand over oil found in my territory to the larger nigerian nation.
Zik's crime was that he was elevated in his thinking better than his contemporaries. He lived beyond base and chauvinistic instints. Same traits you still find abundantly in Igbos today. He was a man way beyond his time and era. Yet,his legacy towers above all till this day. Aside personally influencing African renaissance and Independence push,the enviable depth of leadership instituted in the East were his doing by a long mile. Recall the first set of Igbo intelligentsia who were trained at Lincoln University were personally sponsored and influenced by Zik. These pioneers later became the foundation of the Eastern Nigeria miracle and subsequent excellence we all miss today. Zik's major sin was that he failed to play tribal politics like Ahmadu Bello and Awolowo! That Zik was denied the Prime Minister position by whatever turn of events was Nigerias loss. Again,there is an unseen hand of the Colonialists in all these. All these should tell us clearly that Nigeria is not worthy of Zik and Igbos today given how elevated and noble our drives are. We can go on and on. Zik was only human so why should we expect perfection from him? Buhari today is a complete pestilence and disaster yet am sure some of the people rattling against Zik today voted for Buhari. Smh.

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Re: . by Nobody: 11:33pm On Oct 04, 2018
Ozibe:
This is what I saw in Ibadan last week.. Fed poly Ede.

I had once seen an IVM SUV. That one too had OAUTHC on it number.

Federal institutions are beginning to look inward for locally made cars because, they are cheaper .

this is wonderful coming from a poly in the SW. I know some of my bigoted brothers will skip this good observation.
Re: . by aniomafirstson: 11:33pm On Oct 04, 2018
basilo101:
Why didn't ironsi execute the coupist.
Why should he kill his brother just to please the north?
Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:33pm On Oct 04, 2018
Zik is still being celebrated across Nigeria

Ojukwu is still being celebrated in across Igbo land.

So you can keep deceiving yourself online. lol
Re: . by allcomage: 11:34pm On Oct 04, 2018
nnamdijonathan:
The history of the Nigerian Colonial flag also gives a hint at the Jewish presence in Igboland

Nnamdijonathan God bless you,this piece of information is worth a million $s. Let's have open mind about this issue and read widely. The precolonial history recorded by explorers was without biase . There are so many similarities between jewish and igbo culture. The fact that the tradition was in practice before the coming explorers spoke volumes. I'm still on the fence but there are strong evidences not obtainable among other tribes in Nigeria.
Re: . by basilo101: 11:35pm On Oct 04, 2018
Bede2u:
we shouldnt say everything here
That's why we must caution the celebrators.
Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:36pm On Oct 04, 2018
Hehehehe

Tell them bro. They think their envy can change what Zik was/is.



Handsomegod:
Zik's crime was that he was elevated in his thinking better than his contemporaries. He lived beyond base and chauvinistic instints. Same traits you still find abundantly in Igbos today. He was a man way beyond his time and era. Yet,his legacy towers above all till this day. Aside personally influencing African renaissance and Independence push,the enviable depth of leadership instituted in the East were his doing by a long mile. Recall the first set of Igbo intelligentsia who were trained at Lincoln University were personally sponsored and influenced by Zik. These pioneers later became the foundation of the Eastern Nigeria miracle and subsequent excellence we all miss today. Zik's major sin was that he failed to play tribal politics like Ahmadu Bello and Awolowo! That Zik was denied the Prime Minister position by whatever turn of events was Nigerias loss. Again,there is an unseen hand of the Colonialists in all these. All these should tell us clearly that Nigeria is not worthy of Zik and Igbos today given how elevated and noble our drives are. We can go on and on. Zik was only human so why should we expect perfection from him? Buhari today is a complete pestilence and disaster yet am sure some of the people rattling against Zik today voted for Buhari. Smh.
Re: . by basilo101: 11:36pm On Oct 04, 2018
Ozibe:
This is what I saw in Ibadan last week.. Fed poly Ede.

I had once seen an IVM SUV. That one too had OAUTHC on it number.

Federal institutions are beginning to look inward for locally made cars because, they are cheaper .
I normally see their long bus, the one the size of coaster, in Minna
Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:40pm On Oct 04, 2018
Great Zik, father of modern Nigeria. lol

Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 11:41pm On Oct 04, 2018
Bede2u:
there is nothing to celebrate in the politics played by

Zik
Kaduna nzeogwu
Ojukwu
Ironsi

The 4 of them ruined igbos and buried us.

U can celebrate their 'firsts'

First army goc, 1st president, 1st army graduate etc...but u just shouldnt celebrate their politics. It was grossly naive
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.

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Re: . by basilo101: 11:42pm On Oct 04, 2018
allcomage:


Nnamdijonathan God bless you,this piece of information is worth a million $s. Let's have open mind about this issue and read widely. The precolonial history recorded by explorers was without biase . There are so many similarities between jewish and igbo culture. The fact that the tradition was in practice before the coming explorers spoke volumes. I'm still on the fence but there are strong evidences not obtainable among other tribes in Nigeria.
After thoroughly perusing the Bible, I stopped being on the fence. There must be a Jewish connection
Re: . by basilo101: 11:44pm On Oct 04, 2018
Handsomegod:
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.
Abeg make we hear word
Re: . by basilo101: 11:47pm On Oct 04, 2018
Bede2u:
there is nothing to celebrate in the politics played by

Zik
Kaduna nzeogwu
Ojukwu
Ironsi

The 4 of them ruined igbos and buried us.

U can celebrate their 'firsts'

First army goc, 1st president, 1st army graduate etc...but u just shouldnt celebrate their politics. It was grossly naive
Those celebrators seem more naive and its worrisome
Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:47pm On Oct 04, 2018
Good question. By the time he finishes you will find out it is all envy because they have no one in their state. Lol


Handsomegod:
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.
Re: . by onuebonyi: 11:50pm On Oct 04, 2018
Wow.. pazienza is back. Please we need your lectures abeg cheesy
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:51pm On Oct 04, 2018
Handsomegod:
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.
my problem with zik is not many....but one...

Why didnt he play tribal politics....it was the only politics to play if he wanted wats best for igbos.

That singular mistake is why

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Re: . by basilo101: 11:57pm On Oct 04, 2018
Bede2u:
my problem with zik is not many....but one...

Why didnt he play tribal politics....it was the only politics to play if he wanted wats best for igbos.

That singular mistake is why
Ziks definition of one nigeria was too simplistic. Awo and the north had more sophisticated definition

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Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:57pm On Oct 04, 2018
Handsomegod:
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.
my problem with ojukwu was

1. Going to war without weapons
2. Not being able to play international politics that will win him powerful friends like fidel castro did...
3. prolonging the war wen he already lost

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Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:59pm On Oct 04, 2018
Handsomegod:
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.
my problem with ironsi is slacking and getting killed.

Someone surrounded by wounded enemies guards his life with passion all the time.

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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 12:01am On Oct 05, 2018
Bede2u:
my problem with zik is not many....but one...

Why didnt he play tribal politics....it was the only politics to play if he wanted wats best for igbos.

That singular mistake is why
Again,Zik was a man far ahead of his time. He was too advanced to be closet rat. He was not that endowed and educated to be a local chief. That tribal politics was elevated over matured and nationalistic politics is an indictment on Nigeria. It only showed Nigeria was unworthy of Zik. Perhaps Zik would have stayed back in America. Perhaps,he would have achieved what Obama attained in record time. Yes,he had that essence,graces and charisma. But I can bet you,if Zik had stayed back in America,all of us today will keep roasting and spitting on his unmarked grave and yelling how he was was an efulefu who abandoned his people and roots. But he came back and did his best. Just note that every Igbo man in reckoning from history till date fights both foreign and local demons. Reason it a for a moment. There's a lot hidden from public view sir. From King Jaja till date! Zik was only human. Nigeria don't deserve him. Above all,Nigeria don't deserve Igbos.

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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 12:02am On Oct 05, 2018
Bede2u:
my problem with ironsi is slacking and getting killed.

Someone surrounded by wounded enemies guards his life with passion all the time.
As for Ironsi. Please read up: http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/50-years-on-aguiyi-ironsis-decree-34-and-hypocrisy-of-the-north.html

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