Bede2u:
my problem with ojukwu was

1. Going to war without weapons
2. Not being able to play international politics that will win him powerful friends like fidel castro did...
3. prolonging the war wen he already lost

A mere colonel, full of exuberance, know nothing about war

Bede2u:
my problem with ironsi is slacking and getting killed.

Someone surrounded by wounded enemies guards his life with passion all the time.

He should have executed nzeogwu and co. Then execute the northerners accused of plotting against him

Na wa, so I was gone long enough to practically miss this entire thread.

Bede2u:
my problem with ojukwu was

1. Going to war without weapons
2. Not being able to play international politics that will win him powerful friends like fidel castro did...
3. prolonging the war wen he already lost

Bede. Ojukwu never declared the war. Ojukwu did more to avert the war than Gowon or any other person dead or alive. He preserved the 158 northern military officers who landed under his care in Kano on the very day of the coup. He Infact led them to safety. He conceded to all the Federal side demanded at Aburi only for same agreements to be jettisoned by the Federal side at the advise of the British Secretary of State,Horold Wilson and Prince Akenzua,the then SFG. The Eastern Consultative Assembly mandated and empowered Ojukwu to declare Biafra as a last effort for survival and self -preservation. Between May and November 1966,hundreds of thousands of Igbos were massacred in the north and South West including nearby Benin City in an open and unrestricted show of savagery and mob action. Neither the regional nor Federal government lifted a finger to halt the carnage. Igbophobia was already entrenched in the psyche of the Nigerians. The events leading to this period was only a convenient excuse to finish "inyamiri" off. Secession was only natural. What kind of International Politics do you expect Ojukwu to play when same international levers of Power are the covert executors of the war for sinister reasons. The only probable ally would have been Communist Russia. Guess what the Russian Party Secretary told the delegate that went to seek help in Moscow? He called them aside and point blankly said the following: "A country that is not yet 2 months old that can manufacture monster bombs,rockets,rocket launchers,radar system and all manner of inventions must be feared. We can not afford another Japan in Africa. We cannot help you". Have you read Akanu Ibiam's letter to Queen Elizabeth denucing his Knighthood as a protest to the Crown's complicity in the Biafran genocide? Google is your friend. It will further expose the depth of international conspiracy against our people from inception. Foreign economic interest was also paramount to that conflict. In the words of a historian, Kristilolu"Lydon Johnson,the then American President backed Nigeria because EUROPE and AMERICA cannot afford to have a Japan in Africa. There are reasons for this. Biafrans invented the things now being used in Brazil where we have cars run on sugar cane fuel". When you say he prolonged the war when he already lost,i am at loss sir. Ojukwu was an accidental leader. He played his role well and did his best. People who only celebrate other people's foibles naturally have very little to give. On a final note,i recommend you read widely to be better informed on this matters.

Handsomegod:
Bede. Ojukwu never declared the war. Ojukwu did more to avert the war than Gowon or any other person dead or alive. He preserved the 158 northern military officers who landed under his care in Kano on the very day of the coup. He Infact led them to safety. He conceded to all the Federal side demanded at Aburi only for same agreements to be jettisoned by the Federal side at the advise of the British Secretary of State,Horold Wilson and Prince Akenzua,the then SFG. The Eastern Consultative Assembly mandated and empowered Ojukwu to declare Biafra as a last effort for survival and self -preservation. Between May and November 1966,hundreds of thousands of Igbos were massacred in the north and South West including nearby Benin City in an open and unrestricted show of savagery and mob action. Neither the regional nor Federal government lifted a finger to halt the carnage. Igbophobia was already entrenched in the psyche of the Nigerians. The events leading to this period was only a convenient excuse to finish "inyamiri" off. Secession was only natural. What kind of International Politics do you expect Ojukwu to play when same international levers of Power are the covert executors of the war for sinister reasons. The only probable ally would have been Communist Russia. Guess what the Russian Party Secretary told the delegate that went to seek help in Moscow? He called them aside and point blankly said the following: "A country that is not yet 2 months old that can manufacture monster bombs,rockets,rocket launchers,radar system and all manner of inventions must be feared. We can not afford another Japan in Africa. We cannot help you". Have you read Akanu Ibiam's letter to Queen Elizabeth denucing his Knighthood as a protest to the Crown's complicity in the Biafran genocide? Google is your friend. It will further expose the depth of international conspiracy against our people from inception. Foreign economic interest was also paramount to that conflict. In the words of a historian, Kristilolu"Lydon Johnson,the then American President backed Nigeria because EUROPE and AMERICA cannot afford to have a Japan in Africa. There are reasons for this. Biafrans invented the things now being used in Brazil where we have cars run on sugar cane fuel". When you say he prolonged the war when he already lost,i am at loss sir. Ojukwu was an accidental leader. He played his role well and did his best. People who only celebrate other people's foibles naturally have very little to give. On a final note,i recommend you read widely to be better informed on this matters.

Chai... U ave said it all.. There was indeed q country... Britain did us great evil.... They want to keep Africa in ruins and neva to rise up again....

nnamdijonathan:


this is wonderful coming from a poly in the SW. I know some of my bigoted brothers will skip this good observation.

Ezigbote Ezi Bida! We all should clap and dance because they bought one car in a backwater Poly?. The millions of Igbo business ventures that pay outrageous taxes and sustain the dirty cats in the west na esusu dem be abi? Yet at every point,Igbos will be threatened with eviction yet you seek the full meaning of bigoted nde? Go find better work. This your Joe Igbokwe work here don expire

For people who thinks America and co are ur allies.. U must be dreaming. All of them are the same set of people... Wicked. Manipulative and evil... Don't even judge them base on their pale skin cos their heart is full of evil and wickedness and God will surely pay them back with evil....

Handsomegod:
Ezigbote Ezi Bida! We all should clap and dance because they bought one car in a backwater Poly?. The millions of Igbo business ventures that pay outrageous taxes and sustain the dirty cats in the west na esusu dem be abi? Yet at every point,Igbos will be threatened with eviction yet you seek the full meaning of bigoted nde? Go find better work. This your Joe Igbokwe work here don expire

don't mind him. When an igbo man expresses his rights... They start threatening him with deportation.. Closing of shops. They start increasing the taxes jst to frustrate us but God in his infinite mercy is keeping us alive

Handsomegod:
Bede. Ojukwu never declared the war. Ojukwu did more to avert the war than Gowon or any other person dead or alive. He preserved the 158 northern military officers who landed under his care in Kano on the very day of the coup. He Infact led them to safety. He conceded to all the Federal side demanded at Aburi only for same agreements to be jettisoned by the Federal side at the advise of the British Secretary of State,Horold Wilson and Prince Akenzua,the then SFG. The Eastern Consultative Assembly mandated and empowered Ojukwu to declare Biafra as a last effort for survival and self -preservation. Between May and November 1966,hundreds of thousands of Igbos were massacred in the north and South West including nearby Benin City in an open and unrestricted show of savagery and mob action. Neither the regional nor Federal government lifted a finger to halt the carnage. Igbophobia was already entrenched in the psyche of the Nigerians. The events leading to this period was only a convenient excuse to finish "inyamiri" off. Secession was only natural. What kind of International Politics do you expect Ojukwu to play when same international levers of Power are the covert executors of the war for sinister reasons. The only probable ally would have been Communist Russia. Guess what the Russian Party Secretary told the delegate that went to seek help in Moscow? He called them aside and point blankly said the following: "A country that is not yet 2 months old that can manufacture monster bombs,rockets,rocket launchers,radar system and all manner of inventions must be feared. We can not afford another Japan in Africa. We cannot help you". Have you read Akanu Ibiam's letter to Queen Elizabeth denucing his Knighthood as a protest to the Crown's complicity in the Biafran genocide? Google is your friend. It will further expose the depth of international conspiracy against our people from inception. Foreign economic interest was also paramount to that conflict. In the words of a historian, Kristilolu"Lydon Johnson,the then American President backed Nigeria because EUROPE and AMERICA cannot afford to have a Japan in Africa. There are reasons for this. Biafrans invented the things now being used in Brazil where we have cars run on sugar cane fuel". When you say he prolonged the war when he already lost,i am at loss sir. Ojukwu was an accidental leader. He played his role well and did his best. People who only celebrate other people's foibles naturally have very little to give. On a final note,i recommend you read widely to be better informed on this matters.

all u said dont disprove my point.

Ojukwu was told to declare biafra...could he have refused and urged the ppl egging him on that another course should be followed because there was not enough weapons to defend the territory from fg? Yes he could have...even in the face of massive intimidation by fg remained calm, knowing he had no weapon. But he chose the loud course and wasted my fathers.

Europe didnt want another japan in africa? Really? If u said this... and then said later 'thats why europe told gowon to kill all igbos' then i would understand. If igbos manufactured that in small biafra, wat told europeans that a united nigeria with both igbos and others wont be even deadlier than just biafra?
Why do u guys hide behind one finger? How can u say that a largely rural and illiterate biafra was being feared by ussr who already sent a rocket to space and had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapon. Lets not insult our inteligence here pls. There are no kids here.
Ussr was already in cuba, in china, in north korea, in east germany, in poland spreading communism. They offered to help ojukwu if he would join the communist movement...ojukwu fearing france and the west, said no thank u. They would have stayed off...but ojukwu's arrogance made them to actively sell arms to nigeria to spite the smart-mouthed ojukwu

2 months after the war, enugu fell. Ph fell a few months later and by 12 months into the war, biafra was just the present abia, imo, anambra and ebonyi. The remaining 5 states of today were already in nigeria's control. At that point, wat was ojukwu fighting for? Wen it became clear to gowon that they have adequately surrounded ojukwu, they just blockaded us and waited until hunger and disease made us surrender. Did it have to come to dat? That is why enugu people didnt experience hunger like other people did. Cos they fell early in the war to nigeria.

Ojukwu failed woefully. Dude came back and couldnt even win common senate. He was again outmanouvered by his political opponents. Ojukwu lived a sheltered life. His dad was richest man in nigeria. His grasp of the street is very limited. He hoped more on his books and big grammer. He became very broke and spent much of his active life trying to recover his father's property and failing in almost every political outing

pazienza:


Why should we fight for restructuring? What do we stand to gain from restructured Nigeria. I have heard Many Igbos parrot this restructuring, and I had quried them and sort to reason with them. In the end, I found out most Igbos don't exactly understand the implications of restructured Nigeria.

Now let me break it down for us.

If restructured Nigeria mean every region get to control it's resources ie resource control . With the brazen manner in which Igbo crude oil bearing parts were stripped and added to SS, while parts of old Bendel oil bearing villages were added to Ondo, what exactly are we going to gain in such Nigeria.

The SW already cornered the Sea and Air hub, and I suppose this restructured Nigeria would still have FG retain some power, which means they could yet frustrate many of our would be plans like reviving our airports to international standards and building of river ports, power generation and all worth not. Yes, I know we have huge untapped natural gas reserves, but those would take years to develop and better done in an independent Igbo nation.

Restructured Nigeria would benefit mainly SW and SS in the interim so let them fight for it, while we channel our energy towards useful ventures.


I also agree we must avoid fighting another war with Nigeria. We must be patient and bid our time. We can't fight Nigeria, we have no allies. Those down South are still eyeing our property and investments, likewise the rest of Nigeria. Wike and Rivers state recently celebrated Rivers state 50yrs anniversary, where Gowon was named after their stadium and dignitaries were invited all over North and SW, with non from Igboland.
We must bid our time, we have no allies.

The SS needs Nigeria disintegrated more than us, they are the ones whose crude oil is bring depleted and shared by all, and in return are being left with destroyed environment which would need billions of dollars to clean up in the future.
Meanwhile, their crude oil reserves are not infinite, Oloibiri no longer produce a single drop of oil, worst still, the world is moving towards clean energy. Technological advancements are being made everyday on Solar energy, Wind energy, sea waves energy, nuclear energy and other forms of clean energy, give it 30yrs or a bit more, and the world would start placing embargo on use of pollution generating energy sources like crude oil, which would further decrease its financial profitability.
Bottomline is that they are the ones in urgent need of independence/resource control, if they must profit from their crude oil reserves, time is running out for them, and if they decide to sit and do nothing, then we must find a way to put our own share of their crude oil national cake allocations to good use, by electing better leaders.

We would be naive to be expending or dissipating our energy to hand it over to them, while all they had ever done is deride and mock our own struggles, which they stand to profit from.
Freedom is a patience business, take a look at Catalonia and how long they had sought for independence from Spain, yet at each point in time, they avoid being provoked to war, being mindful of all they had built back home and how Madrid would relish to reduce them to square one.
Time is endless, we must be patient, lest we lose more. We must not accept attempts by Nigerian groups to becloud our sense of reality and present us with the illusion that we need independence from Nigeria as a matter of Urgency, because we don't.

apt, very apt!

Bede2u:
all u said dont disprove my point.

Ojukwu was told to declare biafra...could he have refused and urged the ppl egging him on that another course should be followed because there was not enough weapons to defend the territory from fg? Yes he could have...even in the face of massive intimidation by fg remained calm, knowing he had no weapon. But he chose the loud course and wasted my fathers.

Europe didnt want another japan in africa? Really? If u said this... and then said later 'thats why europe told gowon to kill all igbos' then i would understand. If igbos manufactured that in small biafra, wat told europeans that a united nigeria with both igbos and others wont be even deadlier than just biafra?
Why do u guys hide behind one finger? How can u say that a largely rural and illiterate biafra was being feared by ussr who already sent a rocket to space and had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapon. Lets not insult our inteligence here pls. There are no kids here.
Ussr was already in cuba, in china, in north korea, in east germany, in poland spreading communism. They offered to help ojukwu if he would join the communist movement...ojukwu fearing france and the west, said no thank u. They would have stayed off...but ojukwu's arrogance made them to actively sell arms to nigeria to spite the smart-mouthed ojukwu

2 months after the war, enugu fell. Ph fell a few months later and by 12 months into the war, biafra was just the present abia, imo, anambra and ebonyi. The remaining 5 states of today were already in nigeria's control. At that point, wat was ojukwu fighting for? Wen it became clear to gowon that they have adequately surrounded ojukwu, they just blockaded us and waited until hunger and disease made us surrender. Did it have to come to dat? That is why enugu people didnt experience hunger like other people did. Cos they fell early in the war to nigeria.

Ojukwu failed woefully. Dude came back and couldnt even win common senate. He became very broke and spent much of his active life trying to recover his father's property

To put an end to this silly back and forth,provide evidence(books,links etc) to validate all you stated above. I promise you too that I will call my book vendor in Nigeria,pay him and have him send all relevant books on this matter to you where ever you are in Nigeria. Please I presume you are in Nigeria sir? Deal?

Handsomegod:
To put an end to this silly back and forth,provide evidence(books,links etc) to validate all you stated above. I promise you too that I will call my book vendor in Nigeria,pay him and have him send all relevant books on this matter to you where ever you are in Nigeria. Please I presume you are in Nigeria sir? Deal?

deal...but am not in nigeria. Just take pics and paste them here...i will paste wen i get a chance

Handsomegod:
To put an end to this silly back and forth,provide evidence(books,links etc) to validate all you stated above. I promise you too that I will call my book vendor in Nigeria,pay him and have him send all relevant books on this matter to you where ever you are in Nigeria. Please I presume you are in Nigeria sir? Deal?

Bros wetin you dey talk sef say Russia dey fear say dem no want another Japan for Africa how e sound for your ear why dem no stop Japan from becoming what it's

mbagideon:

Bros wetin you dey talk sef say Russia dey fear say dem no want another Japan for Africa how e sound for your ear why dem no stop Japan from becoming what it's

i tire o...ussr wey u.s dey fear go come dey fear biafra join?

Bede2u:
all u said dont disprove my point.

Ojukwu was told to declare biafra...could he have refused and urged the ppl egging him on that another course should be followed because there was not enough weapons to defend the territory from fg? Yes he could have...even in the face of massive intimidation by fg remained calm, knowing he had no weapon. But he chose the loud course and wasted my fathers.

Europe didnt want another japan in africa? Really? If u said this... and then said later 'thats why europe told gowon to kill all igbos' then i would understand. If igbos manufactured that in small biafra, wat told europeans that a united nigeria with both igbos and others wont be even deadlier than just biafra?
Why do u guys hide behind one finger? How can u say that a largely rural and illiterate biafra was being feared by ussr who already sent a rocket to space and had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapon. Lets not insult our inteligence here pls. There are no kids here.
Ussr was already in cuba, in china, in north korea, in east germany, in poland spreading communism. They offered to help ojukwu if he would join the communist movement...ojukwu fearing france and the west, said no thank u. They would have stayed off...but ojukwu's arrogance made them to actively sell arms to nigeria to spite the smart-mouthed ojukwu

2 months after the war, enugu fell. Ph fell a few months later and by 12 months into the war, biafra was just the present abia, imo, anambra and ebonyi. The remaining 5 states of today were already in nigeria's control. At that point, wat was ojukwu fighting for? Wen it became clear to gowon that they have adequately surrounded ojukwu, they just blockaded us and waited until hunger and disease made us surrender. Did it have to come to dat? That is why enugu people didnt experience hunger like other people did. Cos they fell early in the war to nigeria.

Ojukwu failed woefully. Dude came back and couldnt even win common senate. He was again outmanouvered by his political opponents. Ojukwu lived a sheltered life. His dad was richest man in nigeria. His grasp of the street is very limited. He hoped more on his books and big grammer. He became very broke and spent much of his active life trying to recover his father's property and failing in almost every political outing

what did you jst say? That ojukwu was broke and wretched? I can see u are going nuuutz... Ojukwu who used his father's wealth to fight for what he believed in is wretched and poor?.. I can see that u ave a personal problem with ojukwu which u didn't settle with him bfore he died... Nonsense...

Bede2u:
i tire o...ussr wey u.s dey fear go come dey fear biafra join?

mister stop twisting what he said... U understand what handsomegod meant by that statement.. Did he tell you that biafra will start quarreling with us. Ussr and co...

ghostfacekillar:
what did you jst say? That ojukwu was broke and wretched? I can see u are going nuuutz... Ojukwu who used his father's wealth to fight for what he believed in is wretched and poor?.. I can see that u ave a personal problem with ojukwu which u didn't settle with him bfore he died... Nonsense...

only problem was why did he allow the war in the 1st place? And wen he did, why didnt he win or knw wen to quit?

I dont think ojukwu had money towards the later part of his life....cos i know he wasnt a business man himself.

But if of all i said, the one u want to fault is only that particular one...den it means i am 95% right.

We would have been actually great (not all these empty chest beat of greatness we do here) if we had critical thinkers as our leaders in the 50s and 60s. None of them was a critical thinker... and i dont care where they are from...cos they are all igbo to me

ghostfacekillar:
mister stop twisting what he said... U understand what handsomegod meant by that statement.. Did he tell you that biafra will start quarreling with us. Ussr and co...

he meant that ussr thought biafra would build futuristic technology that might rival theres if biafra is allowed to stand....and i say it is a BIG lie. Ussr wouldnt think that...cos there was no basis for that. Biafra as at 1968 was largely rural and filled with illiterates. Our developed weapon was very crude and the developed world has gone past them at the time. Ussr was building a space station for Godsake. U.s just droped an atom bomb in highly developed japan...while u.k just finished colonising half the world.

The only reason u.k didnt help biafra is because they didnt want other seperatists movement to arise in fragile africa. The reason u.s didnt help is because nigeria was u.k sphere of influence...and the reason ussr didnt help was that biafra wouldnt accept to become communist...plus they were already fighting the cold war with u.s

Nobody was afraid of any biafra bcoming japan of africa...thats just propaganda

Bede2u:
only problem was why did he allow the war in the 1st place? And wen he did, why didnt he win or knw wen to quit?

I dont think ojukwu had money towards the later part of his life....cos i know he wasnt a business man himself.

But if of all i said, the one u want to fault is only that particular one...den it means i am 95% right.

We would have been actually great (not all these empty chest beat of greatness we do here) if we had critical thinkers as our leaders in the 50s and 60s. None of them was a critical thinker... and i dont care where they are from...cos they are all igbo to me

ojukwu did what he had to do..gowon was the one who broke the aburi pact...... They where murdering igbo all over Nigeria and u xpect him to keep quiet? And clap for them.... He did what was necessary Nigerian didn't win the war... They where aided by our Colonial masters and other countries who saw biafra as the only obstacle from looting Nigeria dry.....ojukwu did the right thing...we fought back rather than been dragged and rapedd in the street without doing nothing... Afta set and done. Hope Nigeria is getting better?

Who sent nzeogwu on that mission? Those who did chickened out..the likes of awolowo and co..when was the coup tagged igbo coup? Even though they know that the group is mixed with people from different part of the country but some people saw it as an avenue to remove the igbo... Nd igbo like nzeogwu was busy been a nationalist while others where hard core tribalist..

Bede2u:
he meant that ussr thought biafra would build futuristic technology that might rival theres if biafra is allowed to stand....and i say it is a BIG lie. Ussr wouldnt think that...cos there was no basis for that. Biafra as at 1968 was largely rural and filled with illiterates. Our developed weapon was very crude and the developed world has gone past them at the time. Ussr was building a space station for Godsake. U.s just droped an atom bomb in highly developed japan...while u.k just finished colonising half the world.

The only reason u.k didnt help biafra is because they didnt want other seperatists movement to arise in fragile africa. The reason u.s didnt help is because nigeria was u.k sphere of influence...and the reason ussr didnt help was that biafra wouldnt accept to become communist...plus they were already fighting the cold war with u.s

Nobody was afraid of any biafra bcoming japan of africa...thats just propaganda

that's ur opinion but I disagree

ghostfacekillar:
ojukwu did what he had to do..gowon was the one who broke the aburi pact...... They where murdering igbo all over Nigeria and u xpect him to keep quiet? And clap for them.... He did what was necessary Nigerian didn't win the war... They where aided by our Colonial masters and other countries who saw biafra as the only obstacle from looting Nigeria dry.....ojukwu did the right thing...we fought back rather than been dragged and rapedd in the street without doing nothing... Afta set and done. Hope Nigeria is getting better?

i use to say these things nwanne...until i decided to read far.

Ojukwu went to war cos he had no choice? Who goes to war cos they had no choice?? Just wat ppl tell themselves after they lose a war. Cos winners dont say ish like that.

Ojukwu came back and saw that gowon backtracked on aburi? So? He could have given a press conference and tell the world that they shouldnt see our silence as weakness...he would have boasted and boasted but quietly went and settled with gowon, while building his strenght gradually. He might be able to topple gowon later if he bidded his time and built his strenght...afterall gowon was in lagos not in kaduna.

They were murdering igbos in thousands...ojukwu decided to fight back without weapons and got igbos murdered in millions.

And let me tell u...it was nigeria who won us...not any u.k...they might have supplied arms to nigeria while refusing to supply to us....but the strategy was from gowon and co. They took enugu, took ph and took all our coastal areas...

ghostfacekillar:
that's ur opinion but I disagree

wat is my opinion? These are hard cold facts. U think europe cares about any aftican tribe? Europe wants africa to develop. Thats part of the reason they colonised us and allows us to come study their science...but that they are somehow afraid of us is laughable....dem never fear china finish...na divided africa they will be fearing.

They wish us well. But they are tired of carrying us like babies

Bede2u:
wat is my opinion? These are hard cold facts. U think europe cares about any aftican tribe? Europe wants africa to develop. Thats part of the reason they colonised us and allows us to come study their science...but that they are somehow afraid of us is laughable....dem never fear china finish...na divided africa they will be fearing.

They wish us well. But they are tired of carrying us like babies

if truly Europe wants Africa developed y is it hard for them to grant referendum to people who wants to form a country... Europe hate Africa and they want to do anything possible to hold us down

Bede2u:
i use to say these things nwanne...until i decided to read far.

Ojukwu went to war cos he had no choice? Who goes to war cos they had no choice?? Just wat ppl tell themselves after they lose a war. Cos winners dont say ish like that.

Ojukwu came back and saw that gowon backtracked on aburi? So? He could have given a press conference and tell the world that they shouldnt see our silence as weakness...he would have boasted and boasted but quietly went and settled with gowon, while building his strenght gradually. He might be able to topple gowon later if he bidded his time and built his strenght...afterall gowon was in lagos not in kaduna.

They were murdering igbos in thousands...ojukwu decided to fight back without weapons and got igbos murdered in millions.

And let me tell u...it was nigeria who won us...not any u.k...they might have supplied arms to nigeria while refusing to supply to us....but the strategy was from gowon and co. They took enugu, took ph and took all our coastal areas...

who threw the first stone. It was go work. He broke the pact and nobody said anything about it. England. Ussr. America and co. They all kept quiet even though they were aware of that pact...

If Europe truly wants to develop Africa. They can do it..but they rather supply ammunition and weapons... What ave European done for Africa? What they are good in is to dish out humongous loan to our selfish leaders which they know that nothing good will come out from it.all for one thing.. To colonise Africa again all in the name of paying debt and loot us dry

Great points. Zik was Africa"s foremost

Handsomegod:
Again,Zik was a man far ahead of his time. He was too advanced to be closet rat. He was not that endowed and educated to be a local chief. That tribal politics was elevated over matured and nationalistic politics is an indictment on Nigeria. It only showed Nigeria was unworthy of Zik. Perhaps Zik would have stayed back in America. Perhaps,he would have achieved what Obama attained in record time. Yes,he had that essence,graces and charisma. But I can bet you,if Zik had stayed back in America,all of us today will keep roasting and spitting on his unmarked grave and yelling how he was was an efulefu who abandoned his people and roots. But he came back and did his best. Just note that every Igbo man in reckoning from history till date fights both foreign and local demons. Reason it a for a moment. There's a lot hidden from public view sir. From King Jaja till date! Zik was only human. Nigeria don't deserve him. Above all,Nigeria don't deserve Igbos.

This guy is an encyclopedia. Wow

pazienza:


You are wrong on this. See this:https://www.nairaland.com/3780719/politics-first-coalition-govt-nigeria

Awolowo was a typical Yoruba man. As cunning as hell.
Zik understood his character very well, and hence was always a step ahead of him.
Unfortunately, Ojukwu lacked the wits of Zik. Maybe his age played a role.
But Awolowo played the same game of treachery he played against Zik( and lost to Zik) against Ojukwu and won.
For while Awolowo was busy negotiating with Ojukwu and giving assurances of Yoruba support should the North open war on the East, Awolowo was also secretly negotiating with Gowon, for a place in Gowon government, I don't have evidence to support this like I had for the teachery Awo attempted to play against Zik. But the manner and haste Awo became a member of Gowon government and Awo antecedents of playing similar games before, highly suggests so.
He was simply weighing his options to know who would likely emerge the eventual winner and align with him. Which was eventually what he did.

An alliance with Yorubas for Ndiigbo is a no no for me.
I will be back to explain why there can never be a genuine alliance between us and Yorubas, as long as Nigeria exists.
Only naive Igbos oblivious of the undercurrent current fundamental issues involving the irreconcilability of Igbo and Yoruba agenda, would suggest such a thing.

I once made a post in the past that perfectly captured this issue of how Irreconcilable Igbo and Yoruba agenda are. And why no Igbo should ever dream of possible alliance with Yorubas.
Let me go look for that post.

ghostfacekillar:
if truly Europe wants Africa developed y is it hard for them to grant referendum to people who wants to form a country... Europe hate Africa and they want to do anything possible to hold us down

they allowed eritrea and south sudan.

But they didnt allow catalonia and confederate states of america.

Its simple...once two ppl agree to part ways, europe will support them

Obosi has done the Iwaji festival. ......