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Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 11:29pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. but what if the Way leads away from The Truth, away from Life. In the beginning, there was God, and a white man named him Jesus so he died for the black man's sins. Black? What does it mean to be black? African? Nigger? Negro? Black, black? This world's so dark, so terrible, I need visa... proud African.. Heee. I have Christ mind. I can do all things through Christ. I'll speak and nations will bow. I will be great. I will make heaven. Through Christ Jesus. Christ gives me freedom. The white man now loves me. |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 12:03am On Sep 05, 2018 |
HappyPagan:The "white man" spoke in his language. The black person should learn to translate into their own language so as to gain understanding of what is actually meant. If "The Way" leads "away from The Truth", it can only be that one stopped following "The Way" and went the "wrong way", or one took a wrong turn along "The Way". "The Way" only leads to "the Truth and Life". Happy, there's a conversation you and I need to have. I'm sure we'd one day find the right thread for it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 12:09am On Sep 05, 2018 |
Hey, let's start here and now, in fact! What is a "Christ Mind" please? |
Re: Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 12:24am On Sep 05, 2018 |
budaatum: A mind that mirror's Christ - is submissive to the words of the Bible and follows it diligently. True, we do have a lot to talk about. Thread vs private chat? |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 7:26am On Sep 05, 2018 |
HappyPagan:I think you might be very wrong there! Christ himself was not submissive to the words of the Bible or follow it diligently! You do recall he was crucified for this very reason, not following the Bible diligently, right? Thread. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 12:02pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
budaatum:I'm ready. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 12:04pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
HappyPagan:What for? |
Re: Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 12:05pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
budaatum:Thread. |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 12:05pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
That was hasty. So, what is a 'Christ mind'? |
Re: Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 12:11pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
budaatum:There is one that means 'to mirror Christ's examples and preaching'. Another (the Nigerian Pentecostal context), means to be docile, to manage circumstances, to not question authority. 1 Like |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 1:49pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
HappyPagan:Jesus was not docile, except when he was led to the cross; indeed one must manage circumstances, and Jesus always questioned authority. The ones you hear may have said it wrong I'd have you consider. HappyPagan:Were his examples and teachings bad? Is it bad to mirror Christ and be bold and not docile, to manage any circumstance and question authority? |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 1:49pm On Oct 02, 2018 |
HappyPagan:Jesus was not docile, except when he was led to the cross; indeed one must manage circumstances, and Jesus always questioned authority. The ones you hear may have said it wrong I'd have you consider. HappyPagan:Were his examples and teachings bad? Is it bad to mirror Christ and be bold and not docile, to manage any circumstance and question authority? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 6:39pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
budaatum:I agree he wasn't. He was a remarkably smart motherfucker - weirdly, I think I appreciate his messages more as an atheist, than when I was Christian. His parables can be quite profound if given deep thought. budaatum:His story is a very powerful one, if stripped of all the divine nonsense attached to it. His aggressors were his 'family', leaders who had abused the power privileged positions grant. He stood for the poor and weak in his society, told them to believe in themselves - taught them to seek God in private, in truth.. To find their own salvation. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Christ Mind by rekinomtla(m): 7:04pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
Jesus wasn't white. |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 7:45pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
HappyPagan:Profound! I would go as far as arguing that he was atheistic to the beliefs of his day, and if they hadn't gone and wrapped him up in divine crap, Jesus would be beside the likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. No one asks for them to be believed. We atheists should perhaps learn to treat him like the philosopher teacher that he was, instead of the god the religious folks claim he is. And rather than "believe in him", perhaps we can teach them to learn from him instead. You, sir, make my day by seeing what you see. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Christ Mind by Nobody: 8:11pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
budaatum: I agree with you here. I see Jesus as a freethinker! I likened him to Fela Kuti of our time in my last thread. He was vocal against oppressive authorities. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christ Mind by Nobody: 8:14pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
HappyPagan: Perhaps, the second nature as you've pointed out here was mischievously inferred for social engineering and control. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 8:31pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
Akdegreat:Jesus, the guru for the atheists! I personally love the guy. It's just so a pity that some deified him. About being 'born of the holy spirit' and not by Mary having sex! If anyone said that today, we'd laugh them right out of town, yet millions believe it. Unfortunately, its the one idea that blinds people from actually learning what he was about. They come up and claim "belief" is more important than "understanding", and despite Jesus saying continously, "do my will", people stick on what I would call the rogue John 3:16-21. Or isn't it obvious someone added that section and Jesus never said it? The rulers of this world would do anything to make sure the veil they put up around Jesus stays in place. For if people truly understand him, they would realise they themselves are the gods! Those of us with this understanding should look for ways to promote it! 1 Like |
Re: Christ Mind by vaxx: 8:35pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
budaatum:lol... You budaatum is attributing the biblical Jesus to Socrates and Plato . I am assuming you are joking. It is like me saying ORUNMILA had so many deep insight explanation to most of the issues related to life and hence a philosopher. I actually don't think he will qualifiy unless I am being biased.( though he is consider a sage but will not be taking as a philosopher today ) Jesus idea was not unique, many religious leaders of his time across major tribes preaches similar idea. "" leave your dammm business and follow me to go do my stuffs"" Jesus was silent on so many things. For example, he says nothing on creations, epistemology nko ? He says he is not here to change the law, so the idea that the people of his time understand God was assumed , even the idea of you can not come to daddy except me the son was not a rigourous logic. It failed flat. Permit me to say. John 3 vs 16 should have been taking from the bible. Whoever wrote it did a bad job and likewise On meta-ethics, I doubt he says anything. I believe he exist, the evidence is enough to convince me but there is no evidence that he was familiar with the rich body of work from earlier Greek philosophers (the famous three - Socrates, Plato and Aristotle - all lived way before Jesus)..who will have change his method or views of thinking. Well, the bible depict him as a learned figure. |
Re: Christ Mind by HappyPagan: 8:58pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
Akdegreat: Not directly related to this, but I read this from sometime ago.. Prior to colonization, the Igbo believed that spiritual forces controlled events. If enough misfortune piled up, a family might come to believe that it was the victim of an intergenerational curse resulting from the actions of an ancestor. Family members would seek out a juju priest, who would consult a deity, diagnose the root of the curse, and then expel it through a religious ritual. When foreign missionaries arrived, they persuaded the Igbos to embrace Christianity—openly, at least. But belief in ancestral curses has remained, cloaked in Bible passages that refer to God “visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.” Many churches now offer services similar to the old rituals, in which a pastor replaces the juju priest and Jesus replaces the pagan god. This way, evil forces can be exposed without Christians engaging in idolatry. Deliverance usually requires a family to pray, fast, and renounce atrocities. [url="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/my-great-grandfather-the-nigerian-slave-trader"]Link for the curious[/url] 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christ Mind by Nobody: 9:12pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
budaatum: It's a pity that the true gospel of Christ have been mixed with several falsehoods, one would have a had time discerning truth with an open mind. Worthy of note, too, is the contradictory messages of Paul which cements the whole thing. It's speaks volumes that Paul wrote majority of the New Testament gospel whereas Jesus, the center of it all, has no account to his credit. 2 Likes |
Re: Christ Mind by Nobody: 9:28pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
vaxx: Are you judging Jesus from bible alone to know all he said and all he didn't say? |
Re: Christ Mind by vaxx: 9:40pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
Akdegreat:other than the bible, what is the most important book do you think an inqusitive mind can read to know more about Jesus Christ? You will be doing me a lot of favour for telling me one. As far as I can tell, bible gives more information regarding Jesus Christ than any book. Though it is still consider insufficient because bible is silent from age 12 to age 29 years of his earthy life. I have a book here with me, he describe Jesus as a riki scholar that was trained in India. I have a lot of doubts on the book anyway but contain some information that am a bit open to. 1 Like |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:04pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
If Orunmila were understood beyond the level of divination we would say the same about it. There are many lessons taught by it that are on what could be called a philosophical level. If you understood what I said about John 3:16, you would not be repeating me and think you were opposing what I said. Please go back and check and let me know. Otherwise, you might want to consider that this might be beyond your level of understanding and just shut up and learn. It does not diminish one if one is ignorant about some things. vaxx: |
Re: Christ Mind by vaxx: 10:11pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
budaatum:I am not here to make you look like a dumb like I always did. I have not even opposed you yet. I just said the idea of claiming he can be liking to the known philosopher is a complet hogwash. Sekenah. You must learn to read to understand rather than speaking from spoiled faculty. I think it is important.. And mind you ORUNMILA was not only about divination. 1 Like |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:12pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
Akdegreat:Paul in my opinion, did a 'can't beat them so join them', except he went further and took over and thereby muddled up the teachings of Christ with his own spin. It's unfortunate that the two can't easily be separated. By the way, I am amazed that others have the view we are expressing here. I know how much work I've had to do to get such an understanding so my respect for you and Pagan is immense. Hopefully we'd find others who share this view. |
Re: Christ Mind by Nobody: 10:21pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
vaxx: I asked eager to know if you had other references on Jesus. Otherwise, I think it's erroneous to judge from the accounts of Matthew, Luke, John etc for we know that the bible gospels are not immune to human errors and deliberate subtractions by the authorities that be then to serve their purposes. |
Re: Christ Mind by Nobody: 10:23pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
budaatum: The feeling is mutual. 1 Like |
Re: Christ Mind by vaxx: 10:29pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
Akdegreat:I understand. but I will only agree with you if there is other alternative to bible where Jesus biography including his thoughts and veiw regarding issues of life or what he was known for (love your neighbour as yourself) apart from the bible is given in accurate details. Most books regarding Jesus Christ has insufficient message as well. This book with me assumes so much that I completely doubt it. |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:37pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
HappyPagan:There was an error with your link. I've corrected it above. It is common for the doctrine of the new gods to be built on the ruins of the old, despite Christ alleged to have said, "you can't put new wines in old bottles". It in fact was literally the case that old bottles were always recycled. Who, after all could afford to throw them away?! It is said that the Church had a policy of tagging Christianity on to indigenous religions and gods as it made them more acceptable to the locals. The Metropolitan Cathedral of the Assumption of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary into Heavens is a case in point. It was built atop the former Aztec sacred precinct where rituals and sacrifices dedicated to a pantheon of different deities were performed. It might be what has been attempted with the bolt on of Christ to Yahweh, except the Yahweh idea could not be killed off, yet. It most likely is also why some Yorubas see Orunmila and Yahweh as the same entity despite them having almost nothing in common. |
Re: Christ Mind by budaatum: 10:55pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
vaxx: |
Re: Christ Mind by sonmvayina(m): 10:58pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
rekinomtla: He is from ijebu ode 2 Likes 1 Share |
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