Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by Shuku0kukobambi: 4:46pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
citizenY:
Its called.... staying drunk to avoid hangover or .... a nymph who happens to be a prostitute.... how you see am? You're wicked 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by Mohayaks: 4:48pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
NE including adamawa will never vote atiku cos Buhari ended or at least greatly minimized their greatest nightmare: Boko haram while Atiku has never showed any sign of influence in Adamawa (counter me with facts)
As for NC, it can go any direction as you cant tell. Atiku only has guaranteed victory Benue and plateau. Prove me wrong. ina jiranka guy i now knw say you be confirm northerner, only benue and plateau atiku has the tendency of winning or getting above 50% 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by tuniski: 4:48pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
NE including adamawa will never vote atiku cos Buhari ended or at least greatly minimized their greatest nightmare: Boko haram while Atiku has never showed any sign of influence in Adamawa (counter me with facts)
As for NC, it can go any direction as you cant tell. Atiku only has guaranteed victory Benue and plateau. Prove me wrong. ina jiranka Let me breakdown for you: Atiku/pdp to win adamawa,taraba,gombe and bauchi. He will equally do very well in borno/yobe. NC: kwara,kogi,plateau,nassarawa,benue are sure banker. Atiku/pdp only Niger might go buhari/apc! |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 4:49pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Mohayaks: i dey pity am when he said neck to neck, ko 25% baze samu a irinsu bauchi,jigawa,sokoto,zamfara,katsina, basu san yanda yan arewa suka tsani atiku ba, ko adamawa baze iya ci ba rabu da su kawai. Su suna ganin kaman indai mutum dan Arewa ne to zai iya kada Buhari ko kuma ya samu 50%. Ai ko ka cire NE sai dai ya samu 50% a North central. Atiku is not going anywhere 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by citizenY(m): 4:52pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
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Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by Mohayaks: 4:52pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
Let me breakdown for you: Atiku/pdp to win adamawa,taraba,gombe and bauchi. He will equally do very well in borno/yobe.
NC: kwara,kogi,plateau,nassarawa,benue are sure banker. Atiku/pdp only Niger might go buhari/apc!
i am from bauchi and atiku cannot get even 20% , infact only 1 in 10 people can vote atiku lol 7 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by tuniski: 4:54pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Mohayaks: i am from bauchi and atiku cannot get even 20% , infact only 1 in 10 people can vote atiku lol You sure is Limited in political horizon marking! PdP will win bauchi! 1 Like |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 4:54pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
Let me breakdown for you: Atiku/pdp to win adamawa,taraba,gombe and bauchi. He will equally do very well in borno/yobe.
NC: kwara,kogi,plateau,nassarawa,benue are sure banker. Atiku/pdp only Niger might go buhari/apc!
On what basis will atiku SURELY (lets assume the unlikely event of him winning in Adamawa) win Bauchi, Taraba and Gombe? What are your reasons? I agree that Plateau amd Benue will go for him. Can you tell me why he will win in Kogi, Kwara(where saraki has been disgraced) and Nassarawa? There must be some factors. If you have none then you are in no position to give him automatic victory 6 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by Mohayaks: 4:55pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
rabu da su kawai. Su suna ganin kaman indai mutum dan Arewa ne to zai iya kada Buhari ko kuma ya samu 50%. Ai ko ka cire NE sai dai ya samu 50% a North central. Atiku is not going anywhere they don't knw people here don't even care much about apc especially the villagers that constitute the greater portion of voters, all they know on election day is to ask "ni fatin baba buhari zan zaba" meaning it's baba Buhari party i want to vote even if they don't knw who's the candidate 10 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 4:55pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
You sure is Limited in political horizon marking! PdP will win bauchi! Which state are you from and where do you live now? At least he is saying it from observation 6 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by Mohayaks: 4:57pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
You sure is Limited in political horizon marking! PdP will win bauchi! wallahi you made me laughed when i read your post, you sure have a great sense of humor 8 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by buhariguy(m): 5:00pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
gentlegenius:
I don't know what you mean by ineffectual bufon. But if you are in anyway referring to somebody, then I don't know who that is. Once again, you are speaking like someone who is partisan. You claimed PDP is our problem, not buhari. But PDP is party, and parties don't rule... It is individuals that rule. You even forgot that most of the people who were in PDP yesterday are now in APC. If Edo people are voting for party, no problem go ahead, cast all your votes for APC, but the votes Atiku will get in Akwa Ibom will swallow that of the APC in Edo, and at the end, Buhari will go back to daura. Mark my words. gej is the ineffectual buffoon. Akwa ibom is 1.7 m voting strength, Edo is 1.4m. Let me clarify what you fail to know, no state want to be in opposition party with fg, Edo state have learned from that mistake, we will never go back to opposition. SS/SE don't want to be opposition party to fg party. That is why thief akpabio and uduagha can not survive be in opposition party to fg, even Lagos will not try it again. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by oodualover: 5:02pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:
1) The cult-like following Buhari enjoys in the North has little to do with the perception of incorruptibility. Stop deluding yourself. He enjoys the same cult-followership that any big-name old military administrator would enjoy. I bet you that even Sani Abacha would enjoy a cult followership if he was alive today to participate in Nigerian politics. It's a function of the feudal legacy of the North where an established elite easily mobilize the political sentiments of the plebeian class. It's one of the reasons no one does mass-slaughtering riots like the core North. If you're empowered as a politician or cleric, give Northern youths any command and they'd do your bidding. Northern plebs are the most impressionable voters in Nigeria and almost accord divine status to their betters. To say they are more politically informed that Southerners is beyond absurd. All the maiguards in my street where Sai Buhari chanters during the 2015 elections. I can assure you there was nothing informed about their support on any issues of substance.
2) Stop throwing around words like "bigotry" about other people. The core North is the most bigoted region in Nigeria. It's the region where all outsiders tiptoe around on eggshells terrified at what they would do to offend vengeful, blood-thirsty, intolerant locals. The region where Igbo people and other Southerners get butchered because a cartoonist in Denmark drew an offensive Mohammed cartoon. Where fatwas are pronounced on Southern journalists. Where a parallel constitution called Sharia law was adopted because locals are intolerant of the liberties of outsiders. Where a number of pogroms have been enacted against non-indigenes. Facebook noisemakers are positively tame compared with that.
3) Buhari's gains against Boko Haram were a continuation of the gains made under Jonathan (Buhari funny enough was quoted criticizing the military campaign against Boko Haram). It's a bit like how Trump took over when most of ISIS' territorial gains were reversed and ISIS were in retreat, but Trump tries to take the glory for rounding up what everyone knew was dead-certain defeat. Boko Haram's insurgency is still ongoing and may go on for several more years, but their territorial gains were never going to be sustainable seeing as they are built for guerrilla insurgency and not capturing territory. The Buhari administration has recently been trying to force people off IDP camps back to their homes that are still threatened by Boko Haram, when by all reports, those areas are still not safe. He was doing it to inflate the gains he made. If NE people believe the picture is rosy, they are uninformed.
GEJ to be honest was a pretty clueless leader. But this administration (which I voted for) is no better. What this administration has demonstrated is they are in a class of their own for sheer propagandizing. This has been the most effective government in propaganda I have seen in my lifetime. They're very good at it. I do believe Buhari will win in 2019, partly because his followership is cult-like. But also because this administration has proven more desperate than the last in what extremes they are willing to go to to win as proven recently in Osun and Ekiti. INEC's progress over the years has been compromised by the single-minded desperation of this administration. You are a brilliant writer. 1 Like |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by oodualover: 5:04pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
IbrahimDamola:
I thought you are pan-oodua as your name suggests, why asking for VP ticket that you didn't work for. I want Atiku to choose an ibo as his running mate |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by Proudlyngwa(m): 5:08pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
oodualover:
Bro, let's be serious. The south east will vote end masse for Atiku if he chooses an Ibos person as his vice. It is possible for Buhari to get 30 percent of SS, but he can never get up to that in the south east. Sorry Bro he will get more than that. You seem to forget all south eastern states have full ministers, who will want to deliver, knowing what is at stake. APC will easily win Imo state, Do very well in Anambra and Ebonyi, there will be undervoting in the Aba asix of Abia state leaving the bende asix to support their son OUK The only state, they wont do well is Enugu, leave all this former Tanoids deceiving themselves. 2 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by tuniski: 5:17pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
On what basis will atiku SURELY (lets assume the unlikely event of him winning in Adamawa) win Bauchi, Taraba and Gombe? What are your reasons?
I agree that Plateau amd Benue will go for him. Can you tell me why he will win in Kogi, Kwara(where saraki has been disgraced) and Nassarawa? There must be some factors. If you have none then you are in no position to give him automatic victory Who disgraced saraki in kwara? You can bank it saraki will deliver kwara 100% to pdp.Where ever kwara goes kogi goes! Buhari has never won nassarawa and he won't win in 2019. Benue and plateau will be landslide! By the way, I am a Nigerian who happened to come from kwara. A Josite,abusite and traverse nigeria. |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by bobbybrown007: 5:24pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
My guy lemme tell you something you dont truelly understand, atiku has done the important things by first gaining more ground in the east, and also south east, few state at the west and you also no that he also comes from the north which means he has to do more in the north by gaining more grounds in the place where the incubent president won , with the findings people have done, they no that APC has failed in the fedral level. |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 5:31pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
Who disgraced saraki in kwara? You can bank it saraki will deliver kwara 100% to pdp.Where ever kwara goes kogi goes!
Buhari has never won nassarawa and he won't win in 2019. Benue and plateau will be landslide!
By the way, I am a Nigerian who happened to come from kwara. A Josite,abusite and traverse nigeria. Sarakis popularity hasnt been tested yet and there is no way you can be sure that he can deliver anything. Even your oga fayose was disgraced despite all his seeming popularity (this is the mistake i made, sorry) Buhari had never won a presidential election but he did in 2015 so your statement on nassarawa is childish. He wasnt beaten by a wide margin in the last election if i can remember well. I also urge you not to place too much expectation on benue and plateau. He is likely to be beaten, yes but it could be just a 60-40 defeat. You cant tell 3 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by overall90: 5:36pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
This op thinks we are in 2015 forgetting that a lot have changed. 1.Buhari will be contesting against a fellow northern Fulani Moslem and not GEJ. 2 the shite factor.may be the shites won't be voting in this election. 3 the killings in Zamfara.a lot of the populace in zamfara are regretting voting Buhari because they thought he was coming to protect them.add this to the commotion that oshiomole is causing,APC may likely loose Zamfara. 3 Buhari heath,A lot of the northern elite have been worried that the Yardua issue is about to play again.some felt that the yorubas wants to play them again by choosing a sick Buhari over other healthy contestants from the north.whether they want to risk another four years with Buhari going in and out of hospital is left to you to judge. 4 do you think the north would want to support Buhari for mere four years and power goes to the south when they can vote Atiku and get a straight eight years. let me just pulse here. 1 Like |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by tuniski: 5:41pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
Sarakis popularity hasnt been tested yet and there is no way you can be sure that he can deliver anything. Even your oga fayose was disgraced despite all his seeming popularity(this is the mistake i made, sorry)
Buhari had never won a presidential election but he did in 2015 so your statement on nassarawa is childish. He wasnt beaten by a wide margin in the last election if i can remember well. I also urge you not to place too much expectation on benue and plateau. He is likely to be beaten, yes but it could be just a 60-40 defeat. You cant tell Don't talk much February 16th Is near |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by ProudBornoBoy(m): 6:18pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
QuotaSystem: To put it plainly, apart from Taraba, Benue, Plateau & Nassarawa States, President Muhammadu Buhari is poised to sweep the votes of the remaining 15 northern states, for the following reasons:
1. The "Amana" factor.
A lot of southerners often wonder the basis of the cult-like following PMB commands in the North - the reason is not far fetched.
The Hausa-fulani people in particular, place a huge value on the concept of "Amana" (trust/to hold in trust), a value which Buhari's track record of integrity (whether disputed or not) is clearly aligned with. Despite media propaganda, most of these people who are more politically informed than their average southern counterparts, are aware that not a single charge of corruption has stuck on their revered PMB, amidst corruption allegations among his cronies. Atiku loses massively in this respect because of his track record of corruption (BPE, Haliburton, $16b power scam, unexplained source of wealth etc.) which presents him as an untrustworthy leader to most northerners.
Furthermore, PMB's seemingly north-centric agenda regarding appointments, infrastructure projects (roads, rails, ports) and focus on agriculture assures most northerners that their interests would be well protected under his administration, in contrast to Atiku who is perceived to be likely to make concessions and appeasements to the East whose support he is mostly riding on going by recent trends. Atiku also loses big in this regard.
2. The South Eastern VP Factor
If Atiku gives in to the clamor for his running mate to emerge from the East, then he stands to lose massive votes from the core north for obvious reasons.
Firstly, the deep political antagonism and anti-north stance from Igbos, which has characterized the national space and been amplified since the defeat of Jonathan and rise of IPOB/Nnamdi Kanu and their hate speech, will deeply hurt Atiku's chances because not only will it mean the North would be taking the extreme bigotry, insults and political antagonism from the East right on the chin with no consequences, it would also mean the possibility of an Igbo successor to Atiku - a people known for their contempt for Nigeria's unity and secessionist aspirations.
In addition, a SE VP will also cost Atiku significant SW votes - a sub-region with the second largest number of registered voters (14 million).
3. The Boko Haram Factor
In sharp contrast to the generally held notion among some in the south that Atiku would sweep the NE because it's his home region, the strides recorded by PMB in the fight against Boko Haram heavily neutralizes that effect. I am not talking about social media noise, but the perceptions of people directly affected by Boko Haram activities and are experiencing a gradual return to normalcy since PMB took office.
Yola (Adamawa) for example, Atiku's own home capital, has experienced peace since PMB's onslaught on BH like they never saw since Boko Haram emerged under the past PDP administration - this was formerly a ghost town that used to suffer deadly BH attacks daily with dusk-till-dawn curfews, which has since been lifted and attacks reduced to suicide bombings and guerrilla attacks on soft targets, which are reducing on a monthly basis. This was a state that had several LGA's under Boko Haram's rule during PDP's administration and the people aren't quick to forget the corruption that marred the fight against BH in Dasuki fashion.
Maiduguri is back to it's bustling state with dozens of NGO's providing humanitarian services to help with the ongoing rebuilding efforts, people are now free to watch El-Kanem FC matches in the township stadium, and trans-border economic trade (mostly fish) is gradually being restored. The return of the Chibok and Dapchi girls also adds points to PMB's profile in the sub-region. If by God's grace the FG is able to secure the release of Leah Sharibu then that would be a hat-trick. I personally spoke to a "Kube" (traditional hausa cap) dealer from Borno recently and these were the exact sentiments he expressed as he professed support for Buhari's candidacy.
Final Note
It is very valid to permute that the votes from the 4 excluded northern states (Benue, Plateau, Nassarawa, Taraba) will be shared by both candidates as federal might will play out (both parties will rig anyway). With 19 million registered voters in the North West and 10 million in the North East which are largely homogenic, it is safe to say anyone who loses these key regions has lost the 2019 elections. With another 14 million registered voters in the SW which is APC's stronghold and Atiku's slant towards choosing a SE VP, his campaign team should be very worried.
Note that this is not to say Atiku will not record a sizable number of votes from the Northern States, but the ratio will pale in significance to Buhari's potential landslide victory in the region. - Q.S We the people of Borno will VOTE for BUHARI enmass..... Na Only Him We Know 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by duwdu: 6:21pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
benzion72: Self deception all your allusion is true before Buhari performance was put to test. Immediately Atiku won.my northern PDP Facebook follower was divided into three one Buhari die hard, Artikulated mass and those sitting on the fence.
It is now open to everybody that Buhari lack the capacity to lead and he does not have the health Why are you guys always dovetailing to FaceBook? How many real voters over all - and especially from the north - are on FaceBook or Twitter? Won't past and recent results from actual elections, compared to polls and projections on FaceBook and other social media platforms, cure you guys? Haba. ........ P34c3 ..... ... |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by duwdu: 7:03pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
ModsareChevres:
Guy, we reasonable Yorubas are tired of Buhari. ... Who gets to determine who's the 'reasonable' Yoruba? You? No wonder. ........ P34c3 ..... ... 5 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by duwdu: 7:39pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Mohayaks: i dey pity am when he said neck to neck, ko 25% baze samu a irinsu bauchi,jigawa,sokoto,zamfara,katsina, basu san yanda yan arewa suka tsani atiku ba, ko adamawa baze iya ci ba I can translate the part in the quote I've put in italics, thus: " he won't get even 25% in states such as: Bauchi, Jigawa, Sokoto, Zamfara, Katsina; northerners are much more aware of Atiku['s character] than they think; he will not win even in Adamawa." I don try abeg. ........ P34c3 ..... ... 3 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by tuniski: 7:45pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
rabu da su kawai. Su suna ganin kaman indai mutum dan Arewa ne to zai iya kada Buhari ko kuma ya samu 50%. Ai ko ka cire NE sai dai ya samu 50% a North central. Atiku is not going anywhere Continue in your self deceit. 2019 you will be shocked by the votes atiku will get even in katsina! Buhari of 2019 is not the masqueraded messiah but, a tried and tested incumbent with a monumental failure! |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 8:10pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
Continue in your self deceit. 2019 you will be shocked by the votes atiku will get even in katsina!
Buhari of 2019 is not the masqueraded messiah but, a tried and tested incumbent with a monumental failure! We heard worse from you guys in the 2015 elections. You said he had no certificate, you said he is a serial loser, you said gej is the man and in the end you were humbled. You said APC would never win any election again but they won about 5 senetorial and 4 gubernatorial elections. Look at how you guys disgraced yourselves in ekiti and osun elections. Dont you think you guys need to talk less and actually start using your brains? We dont make much noise but i cant remember the last time pdp won any election in Nigeria Atiku will beaten just like other pdp thieves and as usual, you guys will be left shouting about rigging 3 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 8:12pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
duwdu:
I can translate the part in the quote I've put in italics, thus: "he won't get even 25% in states such as: Bauchi, Jigawa, Sokoto, Zamfara, Katsina; northerners are much more aware of Atiku['s character] than they think; he will not win even in Adamawa."
I don try abeg.
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Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 8:15pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
ProudBornoBoy:
We the people of Borno will VOTE for BUHARI enmass..... Na Only Him We Know Im very glad that more and more of my Northern brothers are joining this forum. We need to help clear the brains of some pdp supporters who think everything starts and ends from their mere Biased assumptions 6 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 8:18pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
Don't talk much February 16th Is near From 2015 to date its pdp that has always been the noise maker. We let the polls do the talking. As you can see no northerner has agreed with your guess work yet 3 Likes |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by BeardedMeat(m): 8:25pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
QuotaSystem:
Even before the race starts...
Adamawa govt chooses President Buhari over Atiku Abubakar - Vanguard (2 Hours ago)
By Umar Yusuf YOLA—Adamawa State government has declared support and loyalty to President Muhammadu Buhari as candidate on the platform of All Progressives Congress, APC, for the 2019 presidential election, noting that it is not disturbed by the emergence of the former Vice President, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, as the presidential candidate of Peoples Democratic Party, PDP.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/10/adamawa-govt-chooses-president-buhari-over-atiku-abubakar/ So this statement is what you are banking on? Hope you won't kill yourself if tomorrow same governor decamps to PDP to be with his master. Anyway, a product of quota system cannot disappoint. 1 Like |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by tuniski: 8:40pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
abduljabbar4:
From 2015 to date its pdp that has always been the noise maker. We let the polls do the talking. As you can see no northerner has agreed with your guess work yet How do you Know That? Buharideens think they are the Only northerners and that Northern Nigeria is monolithic by Religion and tribe, Wrong! I am not looking for validation rather I am informing you. Only NW with declining margin is save For Buhari. You Clearly Ain't in tune with happenings individual states ! 1 Like |
Re: Throwback: Why Atiku Will Lose The Core North - OPINION by abduljabbar4(m): 8:47pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
tuniski:
How do you Know That? Buharideens think they are the Only northerners and that Northern Nigeria is monolithic by Religion and tribe, Wrong!
I am not looking for validation rather I am informing you. Only NW with declining margin is save For Buhari. You Clearly Ain't in tune with happenings individual states ! Okay, so are igbos the only ones in the south east? you guys keep forgetting everything you say also applies to you. The north east from my little observation is going to give a lot more votes to Buhari. You dont know what ending boko haram means to them but i dont blame you cos you live in the south and you have no idea. Maybe this thread of ours will help you make less noise cos WE WILL MOCK YOU GUYS just like your unfortunate 'ancestors'. I have added you to my list. https://www.nairaland.com/2273958/digging-out-tanoids-season-1Make sure you check other seasons 1 Like |