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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:52am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso: How is what I said different to this pkasso: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 9:53am On Oct 12, 2018 |
airmark:Why did Zidane not buy Hazard or even table an official bid all these years? He should have sold Isco and bought Hazard since he's so much of an upgrade on Isco. Everything na just talk. Which is cheap, by the way. Abeg, can you tell me the number of matches Real has won since Isco got injured? Please feel free to tell me the number of goals they've scored since then. Don't worry, lemme help you. Zero!! 0 wins, 0 goals in 4 straight games without Isco. The last time Isco played was the last time they scored and won. That is to show how influential he is in this current Madrid side. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 9:55am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso:You mean Bale? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 9:56am On Oct 12, 2018 |
They all become stats junkies and get unnecessary hard on when argument between hazard and their favourite players surface but use their postulation to ask similar question and they rather clutch at straw or probably go into oblivion. Now how does xavi compares to fabregas using assists as stats metric for midfielders? How does scholes fared compared to fabregas using assists too? How does modric compare to ozil using assists ? How does Zidane compare to any of xavi and iniesta using assists? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 10:01am On Oct 12, 2018 |
keep deceiving yourselves that hazard and Messi are on same talent level. They are no where near. forget achievement self. the kind of goals he scores are wonder. he is not limited by player. he has taken all calibre of players. top defenders and keepers have cried in his hands. a beg leave story 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:04am On Oct 12, 2018 |
odizeey: There's no type of goal that Messi has scored that Hazard cannot score. Can Hazard dribble 6 players before scoring a golazo? Yes Can Hazard create chances? Yes That's Talent. How often does Hazard do it though? That's where the issue of application and mentality comes in. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 10:07am On Oct 12, 2018 |
popizaino:we are taking of important assists. world assist different from nations cup. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 10:13am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:Kai! You be weyrey o ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I did acknowledge that there was a difference in talent, only that it was not much. You said Hazard's talent was the same as Messi's. Ibra's stats are not that far from that of Messi and Ororo's. The man has won league titles in different countries, and has numerous personal accolades to his name. His achievements speak for him. What has Hazard done to merit being mentioned in this same bracket as Messi and CR7 talent-wise. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 10:14am On Oct 12, 2018 |
EvilMetahuman: Maybe this is what I should have said earlier cus this is how I understand the whole scenario to be. Messi was just another hazard prior to pep Guardiola's arrival . Watch them masturbating on my conclusion. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 10:17am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:can hazard score the type he scored arsenal by first jogging d ball over d keeper and shooting. or by making arsenal players give him one two passes for him to score. I can dribble 6 players on a good day but wen I do it like almost everyday we know its in me like peak milk. that's talent. hazard will just run pass a player you go shout. messi go face am use am sweep floor. bro dribble pass dribble. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:18am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso: Oh so now you understand the meaning of nuance ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 10:19am On Oct 12, 2018 |
odizeey: Unfortunately fabregas boost of a world cup final assist which xavi doesn't .talk another thing For every xavi 10 assists you give me here I will give double which are even more difficult to execute from fabregas . Are you ready? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:28am On Oct 12, 2018 |
odizeey: Talent = Ability If you give someone like Lukaku or Morata 10 years, they will not be able to score those kind of silky goals that we've seen Messi and Hazard score in the past. Once we establish the baseline talent ability, it's now a case of how frequently the players in this brackets can do this tings. Then we look at the mitigating factors. I can bet both my testicles that for all his amazing talent, Messi does not achieve half of everything he's achieved if he played for Chelsea for 6 seasons. infact, I don't think Messi would get past Hazard level. If he does, it would be a small difference. If you say its a lie, why didnt he do it with Argebtina? But put Hazard in that Barca team, and I can bet he wins all the competitions that Messi won - and why not? Pedro won most of those trophies too. Hleb won some. Even Bojan playing at Stoke City with Etebo today won 2 UCLs and like 4 league titles. This is the argument that I made. Theres a level of nuance that you people just don't want to see until we use omorogun to smack it into your collective agbaris 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 10:30am On Oct 12, 2018 |
popizaino:as if it was only final dey played in the competition. so u want to start fab and Xavi argument. they both played in same national team xavi benched him. even same club Xavi pursue am. why didn't they consider Mr world cup final assist. I no dey follow irrelevant and inconsiderate stats wen comparing players. how important were they. life no fair on hazard no mean say he be Messi mate |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 10:30am On Oct 12, 2018 |
EvilMetahuman:Guy, if you talk the bolded again, walahi I go wire you slap ![]() Did Ororo not score 50+ goals consecutively under the same Mourinho? Or did Lampard not score bucketload of goals under Mourinho? Did Hazard not finally top his league tally for goals under Conte last season? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Cypmeni(m): 10:33am On Oct 12, 2018 |
Eden Hazard when asked about winning the Ballon D'or: "That's why I want to go [to play in Spain], maybe. But, no [not in January]." |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:34am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso: Ororo is a different kind of beast abeg. That guy is not working on talent. Infact, Ororo doesn't use his original talent of dribbling anymore. Ororo has rebuilt himself as a machine. He's the terminator. Infact I would argue that Ororo is the ultimate triumph of application over talent. Messi is naturally more talented than Ororo. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 10:38am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:bro talent no be ability. I have the ability to slap but not as efficient as mopol. saying. in ratings we call passing dribbling etc abilities. according to u talent equals ability and u say messi and hazard are on same talent level. meaning they have same abilities. I don't have time for rubbish this morning. You must be joking. continue with this and u go enter zone of barka tout say this thing. pray u come out alive. this is sacrilege. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:41am On Oct 12, 2018 |
odizeey: you're not a very peaceful person, are you? ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 10:41am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:So Pedro, Hleb and Bojan would have led Barca to all those trophies without Messi? This man, ehn. Here's an hypothetical scenario. Messi and Hazard switch clubs. Messi to Chelsea, Hazard to Barca. Can Messi replicate Hazard's achievements at Chelsea? I bet you, he will top it. Hazard on the other hand, will win trophies at Barca BUT not as much as they would win with Messi. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by EvilMetahuman: 10:42am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso:did ororo do that at Chelsea Or did lampard score buttload of goals with current Chelsea team? Again, people's opinions differs.. I'm not trying to convince you to see hazard's talent. But try to understand the message. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:48am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso: Did Messi even play in the final of the first UCL he won? Messi did not lead anybody anywhere. The leaders were Xavi and Iniesta. Since Xavi left, Messi cannot lead Barca past Juventus (Barca didn't even score), Roma, and Atletico Lead ko, city ni 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 10:49am On Oct 12, 2018 |
odizeey: You know the irony of the embolded ?while they played in the same national team and xavi benchin him fabregas still boost of better assists ratio than Xavi.By the way am not starting any argument but just want to state clear that stat doesn't just speak the whole volume in football.you all should slow down on how you rush to stat for defence to berate hazard. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 10:54am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:So Ororo talent no pass dribbling? Chai, why you dey do like this? ![]() I think we need to bust this myth of CR7 being all hardwork. The man had talent to begin with, and he supplemented it with incredible discipline and work ethic. If you no get talent, if you like work out and train from now till tomorrow, you won't get to the very top on a individual level. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 10:57am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:This is definitely trolling ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:58am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso: You better go an read the interview with renee meulensteen if you dont know how Ororo went from diving showboat with little end product to WPOTY. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 11:04am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:Bottom line is the talent was already there. He only needed to work harder and change his game. You can't give what you don't have. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 11:08am On Oct 12, 2018 |
pkasso: This is exactly what we are saying about Hazard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:11am On Oct 12, 2018 |
To think hazard is on the same talent level as Messi. Is like thinking Bendtner is on the same level with Aguero since there's no type of goal aguero scores that Bendtner cannot 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:15am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr: Talk to me when your Mcm make it past Yorupa league first
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 11:19am On Oct 12, 2018 |
raumdeuter: You're the same guy that said Aguero was finished though 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 11:20am On Oct 12, 2018 |
nihilistjnr:This debate was purely about talent. There was no mention of hard work at the beginning. Maybe if Hazard had CR7's work ethic and drive, it would propel him to the same level as Messi. BUT definitely not by his talent alone. |
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