divinelove:
Med lab scientist are the ones claiming and impersonating Doctors The one I went to his lab last had sthethoscope on his neck and I was purposely calling him doc, u need to see the joy in him each time I refer to him as doc Dude was rushing to write malaria drug for me for mp test even an idiot know at least 4 different malaria drugs

MLS chased microbiology and biochemistry graduates out of human based labs and made them useless

MBBS is about to do same to MLS by claiming master of all

MBBS always jumping lanes

Doctors remain the Boss in health care delivery every other health worker should obey them for peace to reign lol

Well said but it can only happen to in Nigeria.

jairusben:
fool you have been, fool you will always be..where will the lies lead you..tufia

between me and you now, who's a fool? Don't worry I will soon find a thread where someone posted about the incident
Modified: check out the attached thread below and tell me who is a fool between you and I

https://www.nairaland.com/4376932/schoolgirl-dies-benue-state-after#65500230

The worst-run sector in Nigeria is the health sector.
And we are all paying for it, that is, except those who can afford to go abroad.
Even the ones here boasting with MBBS degrees, e no easy for them.
Ask the average medical student in school now, and he'll tell you his dream is to study for and write one of PLAB or USMLE and disappear.
The problem is not the Pharmacists, Optometrists, Nurses, Medical Laboratory Scientists or Medical Doctors.
The problem is the system.

I love what I'm ready here. It seems the public are now well enlightened. Everyone is talking about the need for medical doctors to continue their role of leadership in the health sector, which they seem to have left for others to scavenge. This is good news! If we continue this way, maybe just maybe, we'll get there someday. Let's continue being Atikulated!

I know this will lead to problem.we need peace to reign in our Health sector.Every Health professional should focus on working as a team.I know the Medical Doctors cum pathologists are the Head in our Laboratory in Nigeria.It is very important the Pathologist and the Medlab scientist work together as a team inorder to bring sanity to our Laboratory.
Those of you shouting i did pathology in 4th year,please just shutup.Because what you know in pathology in 4th yr is only basic.
When the medlabscientists are talking about Medical Doctors,they are talking about Specialists in Laboratory Medicine not a MBBS holder who is a GP that knows almost nothing going on in the Laboratory.

InansBobo:
the same way a Medical lab scientist is here in my village deceiving poor villagers as if he's a doctor.
He has killed someone he was trying to do appendix operation on and still he's deceiving more.. May God help us

Then what steps have you taken to prevent him from killing more people?

frank41:



Well said but it can only happen to in Nigeria.

MBBS cannot chase MLS out of the Lab because they are not one and same profession.
MCB and BCH know nothing about what is going on in the Medical Lab.You guys will start shouting in the US and Canada bla bla bla.Just know that those graduates there will undergo further training.
MLS dont have any problem with MBBS but the Laboratory comprises of different professional like MLS and MBBS.MBBS should head and supervise junior residents under them and let MLS supervise junior scientists.
MLS and MBBS can interprete results.Lets stop being childish.How can a MLSt generate a result he cannot interprete?.
If it is a hospital settings,the MBBS can interprete.If it is private Lab,the MLS can interprete his result.There is no LAW in Nigeria empowering MBBS(MDCN) or even MLS(MLSCN) to interprete result.Any one of the two professional that sees the history of the patient can interprete the result.
Let us understand our boundary and respect ourselves.

Nigeria is so horribly messed up. Both the doctors and the so called Mls get wahala.

cosmatika:

It's inferiority complex bro. The idiot that's championing the post, Favour Nnadi is still doing internship, he just graduated from Absu last yr, yet he's already fighting doctors that have been in the practice long b4 he got admission. We did pathology as a course in 4th yr, under which we did chemical pathology, hematology, and microbiology, and those courses require you to work in the lab. They are already threatened because wen they go on their useless strikes, nobody will miss them cos we know everything they know

You know nothing in Pathology.Just keep shut.I always laugh when some of these MBBS will come online and start shouting "we did all the things MLS do in 5yrs within 12months".
please and please when MLS is talking about MBBS they are talking about your consultants in pathology that did diploma in Laboratory Medicine not a General practitioner that knows only basic in laboratory interpretation.

ProdigalSaviour:
Are you for real....a medical doctor should be in the lab to gain knowledge y not drop ur mbbs nd go for bmls..Guess a nurse and pharmacist still need the knowledge not only doctor...insanity is a virtue in ur land..

You see one thing I have observed is that many of these Scientist-hating nigerian physicians read medicine to run away from the poverty in their lineage, unfortunately many become frustrated that the ideology they had pre-JAMB does not tally with their post-MBBS reality then they become frustrated and start trying to usurp the functions of other professionals to remain relevant including the use of propaganda, lies and hate speech.

When people like inansbobo tells you that a Scientist is in his 'village' is performing Appendisectomy and parading himself as a 'physician' you need to take those conjectures with a pinch of salt and I'll tell you why. With the level of hatred the physicians have for Scientists and the number of times they claim they saw a Scientist 'performing illegal surgery', there should be at least 200 scientists in prison right now for performing illegal surgery but have you heard of any Scientist standing trial for such illegality? No. You know why you won't find? The stories are Propaganda and the aims are well known to discerning minds.

Most of these 'Scientists' practicing surgical illegality only exist in the imaginations of these hateful and jealous 'malaria specialists' who blame Medical Lab Scientists for their inability to function properly and professionally after cramming their way out of school.

If there are TRUE cases of Scientists doing such illegality, the physicians will be very happy to arrest them and put out their names in the public domain so they can ridicule the 'stubborn and proud' Med Lab Scientists' and tell the whole world 'yes we've caught them'.

No Scientist who holds a BMLS and a proper license will want to jeopardize it for stipends accrued from illegal surgery. There are more than 15000 laboratory tests a Scientist can perform and make money from. Some of them as pricey as N130,000, N85,000, N79000. I ran a medical laboratory test for Wilson's disease Gene mutation few months ago, it cost the client N240,000, so why would I want to go into appendisectomy for measly stipends and jeopardize my license? how much will it pay me?

The ward coat charlatans also lament about other health professionals hanging stethoscopes on the dashboards of their cars and other funny accusations. Let me educate you all, the stethoscope is a physiological medical device, every health professional is taught the basic use of stethoscope during physiology practicals in 200L, the Medical Scientists inclusive. It is also taught in professional Basic Life Aid courses for EVERY health professional. Even community health extention workers (CHEW) who study for 3 years in health colleges are trained on it basic usage. So why do a group of charlatans enjoy trying to deceive people because they think nigerians are illiterates?
I've seen a physician wonder aloud why a Scientist's lab coat is more sparkling than his as he calls the Scientist 'arrogant'. This happened during my medical internship days.

When you hear these charlatans make noise about Scientists engaging in illegalities like illegal surgery, tell them to provide you the name and RA license number of the Scientist, tell them to provide proof and see them run away.

barinedan:
Then what steps have you taken to prevent him from killing more people?

He is not going to take any step, because it is either the 'scientist' does not really exist or his village people are too daft to differentiate between a butcher and a medical practitioner.

seXytOhbAd:
Another thread filled with spiteful people who either secretly want to be doctors or tried and failed being one. Google pathologist , haemagologist, and oncologist definitions and see what it comes up with. ALL MEDICAL TRAINING POSITIONS REQUIRE LABORATORY POSTINGS. It is the norm in the developed world and definitely a norm in Nigeria. Spiteful folks gonna find fault with that cuz they couldn't stand the pressure

Physicians are not licensed to practice Medical laboratory Science, their MDCN Act only empowers them to do medical laboratory PRACTICALS and the courts have since affirmed that. The MLSCN Act is clear, comprehensive and unambigous.

If they feel that they are too jobless that have to rush into the laboratory, they should rather listen to their minister who rightly adviced them to rush to the farms.

DABMarkNig2019:

what type of a lie is this? I work in this institution and medical students don't do any procedures on patients.

You just lied, see them plenty for GOPD, all those clinics and those labs. @ permanent site.
Am dating one of the MBBS 500l student too whom I chuk yarns on a regular basis.

id4sho:

You just lied, see them plenty for GOPD, all those clinics and those labs. @ permanent site.
Am dating one of the MBBS 500l student too whom I chuk yarns on a regular basis.

in GOPD you said and that's under the supervision of a reg or a medical officer. Yes medical students clerk patients but that is never used in managing or making diagnosis. its solely for training and academic purposes. God sake how can a medical student who hasn't completed his pharmacology prescribe drugs? what institution allows that? Please we shouldn't run each other down cos of rivalry. How can the foremost institution in the middle belt allow such?

phase1:


When people like inansbobo tells you that a Scientist is in his 'village' is performing Appendisectomy and parading himself as a 'physician' you need to take those conjectures with a pinch of salt and I'll tell you why. With the level of hatred the physicians have for Scientists and the number of times they claim they saw a Scientist 'performing illegal surgery', there should be at least 200 scientists in prison right now for performing illegal surgery but have you heard of any Scientist standing trial for such illegality? No. You know why you won't find? The stories are Propaganda and the aims are well known to discerning minds.

I didn't lie please. It happened and I know everyone involved. I'm not in the medical line sef that I'd hate anyone's profession(I'm an undergraduate of Engineering). But seriously what I said really happened( that was not his first time, he did it before and was successful but not this time, he was reported to the police but got saved by a friend of his who's a doctor and bears thesame same and surname.
See the news below

https://www.nairaland.com/4376932/schoolgirl-dies-benue-state-after#65500230

GogetterMD:

Well, I'm still of the opinion that everyone in the health sector is important and relevant, but the doctor remains the centerpiece. I don't subscribe to belittling allied health workers, but in Nigeria, the irrelevant fight for supremacy has taken a rather toxic dimension in the Healthcare marketplace, negating the actual need to improve the quality of card

The chem Path residents going for laboratory postings doesn't mean they are there to take over their job. It's with the knowledge of our laboratory medicine that we're able yo interprete results. Even the MLS ppl complaining chased Microbiology and biochemistry graduates from the lab

InansBobo:

I didn't lie please. It happened and I know everyone involved. I'm not in the medical line sef that I'd hate anyone's profession(I'm an undergraduate of Engineering). But seriously what I said really happened( that was not his first time, he did it before and was successful but not this time, he was reported to the police but got saved by a friend of his who's a doctor and bears thesame same and surname.
See the news below

https://www.nairaland.com/4376932/schoolgirl-dies-benue-state-after#65500230

1.) Where in your 'dem say' report did it give evidence that the culprit is a Medical Laboratory Scientist licensed with MLSCN?

2.) Did you see his license as a Scientist, if you did what is his RA license number and name. Those are the facts what I wanted to see.

3) Do you think anybody that puts on a white coat and does malaria and typhoid test is a Scientist? Do you medical investigations begin and end with only malaria and typhoid?

4.) Do you know how many charlatans we have pretending to be Medical Scientists including people who read Business Admin? One was caught the other day and jailed. Another charlatan who sells blood from his face-me-I-face was also caught and claim he is licensed by NISLT, does NISLTs license people to perform medical investigations?

https://www.nairaland.com/2663212/fake-medical-laboratory-scientist-sent


You just open your mouth and spread 'dem say' 'dem say' fake news. give us proof now, you can't provide any. Amazing!

cosmatika:

Wat do u call encroachment? Even b4 medical lab science was started as a course in Nigeria, Doctors have been doing lab medicine. Why do u think Chem path, MBL, Virology, Hematology and histopatholgy are done by 400level medical students for 16 good months? No one is taking ur job, it's lab scientists that even encroach into our work by prescribing drugs. And they most tyms prescribe wrongly causing drug resistance for patients

Oga, you MDCN act does not empower you to overlord the Scientist in the lab. The lab is the Scientist's primary constituency, your physician offices are your primary constituency. Even in the UK, you cannot countersign a result generated by a Medical Scientist. Your primary duty is to consume the report generated by the Scientist and/or interprete same to your colleagues who may be clueless about the implication of the generated clinical result.

The reason why you are rushing into the Labs which you always disparaged previously and blamed for your incompetence is because many of us the Scientists have fought to make the Laboratory a place of pride and honor, so you want to share in the glory. Secondly, some physicians simply roam around hospitals in ward coats spreading nosocomial pathogens with joblessly. Unlike before, the number of physicians keep exploding exponentially with few jobs available, so they rush to areas where they can bully their way through and other people's jobs.
Your minister understands vividly that's why he ask you guys to consider farming. There will be fewer jobs for the number of physicians nigerian universities churn out yearly in the coming decades.

GogetterMD:
And how's this a problem? Still cannot understand why a lab scientist would feel threatened by this. It is essential that a medical doctor gets the basic training in all service delivery points of the Healthcare system, just as it is important to tie laboratory results to clinical scenarios

They think doctors are at their mercy when they go on strike, so they're angry to see that they are competent, if not better.

giles14:
karma.

the way MLS chased out MCB and Bio.chems from laboratories its now their turn. MBBS abi BMLS are all the same

Ur opinion sha

DABMarkNig2019:

in GOPD you said and that's under the supervision of a reg or a medical officer. Yes medical students clerk patients but that is never used in managing or making diagnosis. its solely for training and academic purposes. God sake how can a medical student who hasn't completed his pharmacology prescribe drugs? what institution allows that? Please we shouldn't run each other down cos of rivalry. How can the foremost institution in the middle belt allow such?

Brother, it happened to me in 2013 which eventually left me traumatized. This year ,my younger brother had a Google diagnosis by one female student Doc which got me annoyed cuz I was with him. After the whole nonsense, I had to take him to jankwano (ECWA) which he was given proper proper treatment. Am not here to get cheap attention. My friends who are full time medical practitioners tell they need patients for their try and error practice in med school. I be J full breed and there is this thread where I commented my experience about teaching hospitals, you need to read dat thread. Forget this middle belt story

NaMeAboki:


I believe you are talking about pathologists, who have knowledge but do not undertake the required depth of training as medical laboratory scientists to make them competent enough to carry out most laboratory tests; their role is essentially to form an interface between the medical practitioner managing the patient and the laboratory by way of e.g. result interpretation and generally advising the doctor on any issue relevant to the requested investigation.

Pathology and medical laboratory practice have legally been defined as distinct from and another by judgment of the National Industrial court.
Accordingly, only a trained and registered medical laboratory scientist, licensed by the appropriate regulatory body (MLSCN not M&DCN) is by law entitled to carry out medical laboratory investigations; any other person doing so (no matter how high his academic credentials) is technically a quack and liable to prosecution and conviction if found guilty.

Thank you for this

phase1:


You see one thing I have observed is that many of these Scientist-hating nigerian physicians read medicine to run away from the poverty in their lineage, unfortunately many become frustrated that the ideology they had pre-JAMB does not tally with their post-MBBS reality then they become frustrated and start trying to usurp the functions of other professionals to remain relevant including the use of propaganda, lies and hate speech.

When people like inansbobo tells you that a Scientist is in his 'village' is performing Appendisectomy and parading himself as a 'physician' you need to take those conjectures with a pinch of salt and I'll tell you why. With the level of hatred the physicians have for Scientists and the number of times they claim they saw a Scientist 'performing illegal surgery', there should be at least 200 scientists in prison right now for performing illegal surgery but have you heard of any Scientist standing trial for such illegality? No. You know why you won't find? The stories are Propaganda and the aims are well known to discerning minds.

Most of these 'Scientists' practicing surgical illegality only exist in the imaginations of these hateful and jealous 'malaria specialists' who blame Medical Lab Scientists for their inability to function properly and professionally after cramming their way out of school.

If there are TRUE cases of Scientists doing such illegality, the physicians will be very happy to arrest them and put out their names in the public domain so they can ridicule the 'stubborn and proud' Med Lab Scientists' and tell the whole world 'yes we've caught them'.

No Scientist who holds a BMLS and a proper license will want to jeopardize it for stipends accrued from illegal surgery. There are more than 15000 laboratory tests a Scientist can perform and make money from. Some of them as pricey as N130,000, N85,000, N79000. I ran a medical laboratory test for Wilson's disease Gene mutation few months ago, it cost the client N240,000, so why would I want to go into appendisectomy for measly stipends and jeopardize my license? how much will it pay me?

The white coat charlatans also lament about other health professionals hanging stethoscopes on the dashboards of their cars and other funny accusations. Let me educate you all, the stethoscope is a physiological medical device, every health professional is taught how to use the stethoscope during physiology practicals in 200L, the Medical Scientists inclusive. It is also taught in professional Basic Life Aid courses for EVERY health professional. Even community health extention workers (CHEW) who study for 3 years in health colleges are trained on it usage. So why do a group of charlatans enjoy trying to deceive people because they think nigerians are illiterate.
I've seen a physician wonder aloud why a Scientist's lab coat is more sparkling than his as he calls the Scientist 'arrogant'. This happened during my medical internship days.

When you hear these charlatans make noise about Scientists engaging in illegalities like illegal surgery, tell them to provide you the name and RA license number of the Scientist, tell them to provide proof and see them run away.

This is good

id4sho:

Brother, it happened to me in 2013 which eventually left me traumatized. This year ,my younger brother had a Google diagnosis by one female student Doc which got me annoyed cuz I was with him. After the whole nonsense, I had to take him to jankwano (ECWA) which he was given proper proper treatment. Am not here to get cheap attention. My friends who are full time medical practitioners tell they need patients for their try and error practice in med school. I be J full breed and there is this thread where I commented my experience about teaching hospitals, you need to read dat thread. Forget this middle belt story

I no just get your energy.
I'm of a profession allied to medicine but so critical in patient care. please let Dr's be. I see those residents loosing their own living just to see that people get better life. I never got to appreciate doctors until I started work in juth. Please let our house officers and residents be. These are dedicated sets of individuals that keep on running calls back, back to back. Do you even know the mechanism behind the automated test you people run in the lab? Please the lab equally belong to the Dr's.

DABMarkNig2019:

I no just get your energy.
I'm of a profession allied to medicine but so critical in patient care. please let Dr's be. I see those residents loosing their own living just to see that people get better life. I never got to appreciate doctors until I started work in juth. Please let our house officers and residents be. These are dedicated sets of individuals that keep on running calls back, back to back. Do you even know the mechanism behind the automated test you people run in the lab? Please the lab equally belong to the Dr's.

am a professional though not in medics, my own concern is how students are allowed to attend to patients. Don't say you don't have my energy, are the Docs not paid for there jobs ,visit Turkish hospital in Abuja and experience top notch treatment and attention.

id4sho:

am a professional though not in medics, my own concern is how students are allowed to attend to patients. Don't say you don't have my energy, are the Docs not paid for there jobs ,visit Turkish hospital in Abuja and experience top notch treatment and attention.

Hai vinto

DABMarkNig2019:
Hai vinto

you be Italian

phase1:


1.) Where in your 'dem say' report did it give evidence that the culprit is a Medical Laboratory Scientist licensed with MLSCN?

2.) Did you see his license as a Scientist, if you did what is his RA license number and name. Those are the facts what I wanted to see.

3) Do you think anybody that puts on a white coat and does malaria and typhoid test is a Scientist? Do you medical investigations begin and end with only malaria and typhoid?

4.) Do you know how many charlatans we have pretending to be Medical Scientists including people who read Business Admin? One was caught the other day and jailed. Another charlatan who sells blood from his face-me-I-face was also caught and claim he is licensed by NISLT, does NISLTs license people to perform medical investigations?

https://www.nairaland.com/2663212/fake-medical-laboratory-scientist-sent


You just open your mouth and spread 'dem say' 'dem say' fake news. give us proof now, you can't provide any. Amazing!

so u expect me to be able to see his license certificate? This man I'm talking about is a lab scientist at federal medical centre outreach in the village and he opened his private medical lab diagnostic centre as well so what else do I need to know that he's a lab scientist? In fact, his certification was pastes in his wait room in the diagnostic centre but I can't go there and say let me snap it. I may be questioned

id4sho:

am a professional though not in medics, my own concern is how students are allowed to attend to patients. Don't say you don't have my energy, are the Docs not paid for there jobs ,visit Turkish hospital in Abuja and experience top notch treatment and attention.

Students do not attend to patients in any hospital. Yea whenever patients come to the Hospital, they meet doctors. however, students are allowed to ask patients questions as regards their health. Students also carry out clinical examination on them on the approval of the patient. Whoever the student find in the course of the interaction with the patient will be presented to a senior doctor(consultant, registrar etc). that will enable the senior doctor make correction whatsoever.
That's how doctors are trained. The doctors who work in that same Turkish hospital were trained same way. If the said Turkish hospital is a teaching hospital, trust me, u will see medical students do same there.

Tellemall:


They think doctors are at their mercy when they go on strike, so they're angry to see that they are competent, if not better.

Medical science is large enough for everyone

DABMarkNig2019:
Hai vinto

abi na mocking, get lost

id4sho:

abi na mocking, get lost

it simply means you've won.
You won bro