Jemi7:


Liverpool made and won the final after Owen and made another final before Torres, They made two finals in 3 seasons. This doesn't really say average in my opinion

Wasn't that the team with Djimi Traore and Jerzy goddamn Dudek in goal? Milan Baros?

That team punched above its weight tbvh

odizeey:
Alonso, carragher dudek, risse, finnan,

Lool. Riise? Taye Taiwo's Viking Brother?

Dudek?

Steve Finnan? Haha you're making my point for me.

nihilistjnr:


Data structure, that suppose be year 2

well unless you're a programmer now, in what case you're a crappy one

Lmaooo. It haff teyed

A40:
Lool. Riise? Taye Taiwo's Viking Brother?

Dudek?

Steve Finnan? Haha you're making my point for me.

stop making things up. Madrid bought that dudek. risse was not as bad as u guys are painting. finan too

When teams don't do well the players are bad or average of course and the ones that do well have excellent players everywhere

eph12:
When teams don't do well the players are bad or average of course and the ones that do well have excellent players everywhere

I'm sure Derby county, West Ham, Brighton etc have excellent players, while Manyoo players are bad or average.

odizeey:
OK the only game of tournament was the final abi. let derby go and win d tournament.

So when Wigan won the FA Cup in 2013, they were the best team in the competition abi?

odizeey:
stop making things up. Madrid bought that dudek. risse was not as bad as u guys are painting. finan too

As a Backup!! Abi no be the same Madrid buy Thomas Gravesen?

We're calling fullbacks you're calling Steve friggin Finnan

A40:
As a Backup!! Abi no be the same Madrid buy Thomas Gravesen?

We're calling fullbacks you're calling Steve friggin Finnan

what were his flaws sir

nihilistjnr:


Xabi Alonso at Liverpool was not the same player as the one at Madrid or Bayern abeg.

Let me just pretend I didn't see the other names you wrote there

fear God oo

nihilstjnr is the new ramdeuter

Very hilarious debate going on here.

All these are you a Manyoo fan would stop soon. Just about 3 more days

Mourinho go beg Sarri not to celebrate again
Hazard to score De Gea as usual

nihilistjnr:


I'm sure Derby county, West Ham, Brighton etc have excellent players, while Manyoo players are bad or average.

How have those teams done well? Did they win the league or champions league?

I watched that Liverpool of 2005 in UCL...Garcia was one of their best players abeg.

When did Steven g become alabaru nitori olorun?

eph12:

How have those teams done well? Did they win the league or champions league?

so Derby County beating Manyoo at home is not doing well?

nihilistjnr:


Anybody can stumble into a final, but that Liverpool team was average at worst, good at best. Gerrard carried Liverpool on his back for almost his entire career.

Stumble bawo How do you make two finals in three seasons and call it stumbling? Steve carried Liverpool on his back to absolutely nothing but 1 Champions League and and 1 or two league cups in more than 13 years

Influential is not better

femiti:
I watched that Liverpool of 2005 in UCL...Garcia was one of their best players abeg.

When did Steven g become alabaru nitori olorun?

Are you sure you watched that final?

And you asked the question below?

A40:
Wasn't that the team with Djimi Traore and Jerzy goddamn Dudek in goal? Milan Baros?

That team punched above its weight tbvh

It was also the team that had Hyypia, Riise, Carragher, Alonso and crouch. Calling this team average is like Calling Liverpool of last season average. First final? I agree, but a second final two seasons after? That is more than a team that punched above its weight IMO

nihilistjnr:


Are you sure you watched that final?

And you asked the question below?

liverpool played only in the final then...

Steven alabaru Gerrard must have pressed the Golden buzzer then.

Greatihex:
that is how you people tell lies. Show us where mourinho said that

Jamb question, If you had asked me this question yesterday, maybe I would have answered you. No dey draw me back

Jemi7:


Stumble bawo How do you make two finals in three seasons and call it stumbling? Steve carried Liverpool on his back to absolutely nothing but 1 Champions League and and 1 or two league cups in more than 13 years

Influential is not better

Ghost Goal is one way of stumbling over the line to a UCL final in a season where Liverpool didn't even make top 4 in their league.

in 06/07 Liverpool had to qualify for UCL via play off, and were lucky to beat Chelsea in the semis. That's how you stumble to final.

femiti:
liverpool played only in the final then...

Steven alabaru Gerrard must have pressed the Golden buzzer then.

Who was UEFA club footballer of the year in 2005?

You think Gerrard finished 3rd in Balon Dor that season for finishing 5th in the league?

Are you sure you watched football that year at all?

Jemi7:


It was also the team that had Hyypia, Riise, Carragher, Alonso and crouch. Calling this team average is like Calling Liverpool of last season average. First final? I agree, but a second final two seasons after? That is more than a team that punched above its weight IMO

Hyppia was on his last legs in 04/05. He was the equivalent of Rio Ferdinand in 2013.

Crouch?

Riise?

I can't even make up my mind if Carragher was ever a good defender

afrodoc2:

Come and add your own. Make we get your views

Was Steven Gerrard better than Waheed Akande, Stanley Okoro, and Festus Nwaguma?

nihilistjnr:


Ghost Goal is one way of stumbling over the line to a UCL final in a season where Liverpool didn't even make top 4 in their league.

in 06/07 Liverpool had to qualify for UCL via play off, and were lucky to beat Chelsea in the semis. That's how you stumble to final.

I'm sure they played in the group stage, knockout rounds and quarter final before they reached the final, You can't start your stumbling from the semis. Didn't they beat Barcelona and a PSV side that beat Arsenal?

Influential is not better my G

nihilistjnr:


Hyppia was on his last legs in 04/05. He was the equivalent of Rio Ferdinand in 2013.

Crouch?

Riise?

I can't even make up my mind if Carragher was ever a good defender

Hehehehehehe, This was the team that made the Champions League final coming from 3 goals down to win the cup. Leave story for the gods my G

Jemi7:


Hehehehehehe, [s]This was the team that made the Champions League final coming from 3 goals down to win the cup. Leave story for the gods my G[/s]

That was all Gerrard

Jemi7:


It was also the team that had Hyypia, Riise, Carragher, Alonso and crouch. Calling this team average is like Calling Liverpool of last season average. First final? I agree, but a second final two seasons after? That is more than a team that punched above its weight IMO

Jerzy Dudek, Steve Finan, Djimi Traore, Caragher, Hyppia, Biscan, Tudor, Kewell Baros, Crouch, Pennant, Kuyt, Zenden, Bellany, Momo Sissoko,

Be honest, read this list and tell me any player that can be called average here, Most of them will be below average given their career trajectory outside Liverpool

Those players beat the all dominating Chelsea twice, beat Milan, Beat Capellos Juventus, Beat Ronaldinhos Barcelona at Nou Camp

That credit goes to the leadership of Benitez and Gerrard

Most of these players are the caliber that will play for Bolton Wanderers or West Ham not a team that made 2 CL finals in 3 yrs

pkasso:
You still aren't making any sense. Wing forwards are more likely to cut inside and SHOOT rather than whip in a cross. If you want to compare chances created, do it with wingbacks, playmakers and pure wingers. And let's see if Alves' stats are as amazing as you are trying to make it look.

Wetin concern me with Di Maria and Draxler? Nobody takes the Ligue One seriously in the scheme of things. Neymar scored 19 goals and had 13 assists in 20 games and yet could not make the shortlist of the biggest football awards.

You tried skewing the stats in Alves' favor by using the per minute ratio when the original numbers were not even close enough. Majority of the players you mentioned had more chances created and assists than Alves.

I don't know which Squawka profile you checked because Kimmich had a higher performance score than Alves in both their respective leagues and the CL. He created more chances and had more assists.

Alves had the upper hand in tackles which is not so surprising. Kimmich has never been a prolific tackler, even during his stint as a CB under Pep. Not because he can't tackle, but because he prefers to win the ball using less riskier means i.e interceptions. Alves edges it here with 4 to 3 per game. But all in all, Kimmich trumps Alves.

Your over reliance on stats shows how much you don't trust your brain in making decisions for you. Whatever happened to the good old eye test? That ability to observe and make conclusions based on what you see. Not necessarily depending on machines to generate numbers and figures that are subject to interpretation and can be manipulated to suit whatever purposes.

1. Stop telling lies. Show us your stats.

Alves has had higher interceptions per game than Kimmich in UCL and League respectively last season. Alves had more tackles per game too in each competition. Alves won more aerial duels, had more dribbles in the UCL. They had same clearance per game.

2017/2018 UCL season Dani Alves > Kimmich in Tackles, Interceptions, Aerial Won and dribbles.

For instance Alves intercepted the ball every 55 minutes played in the UCL, Chimmick every 81 minutes. The tackle stats is even worse for Chimmick. So who uses his brain more?

2. Tell me the right back defender who created 7 Assists and about 50 chances last season (Dani did that from only 23 games).

Now you talk about wing back, wingers and wing forward. I have already compared Alves key passes and Assists with wingers, playmakers, and wingbacks and he is still up there.

When I say wing forward, I mean such wingers like Sterling, Mane, De Bruyne, Hazard who closely flank the center forward and have the tendency to pass or play through ball rather than traditional wingers like Antonio Valencia who have the tendency to cross.

By the above definition, wing forwards are more likely to create chances and provide Assists than wing backs, and normal wingers.

Dani Alves has done better than many top wingerforwards, wingbacks, wingers etc. When I compared Alves, I brought out names of the best creators. Remember Alves is a Right Full Back, in that position or among world defenders who has his creative stats?

3. You said no one takes the league one serious? So from where was Ibrahimovic was being considered the best striker in the world? Neymar is one of the best players in the world. Cavani is one of the best strikers in the world for many years.

I even told you Alves stats in the UCL beats his league one record. From my rough check, he was the best in UCL for number 2 position in terms of stats.

4. I only used stat to back my points because I am not in mama akara joint where you say Sterling is better than Neymar and you expect everyone to believe you.

odizeey:
stop making things up. Madrid bought that dudek. risse was not as bad as u guys are painting. finan too

did you people not sign Lee Grant this season?