oyatz:
PMB fails to learn from history and still strongly believes in Government domination of the economy.

Why not allow and encourage private investors to develop and manage these airports?

Peter obi will facilitate the takeover of the airport by air peace

OMANBALA1:


If this is a compliment then go ffuck a cow! I create the Anambric social order, the spiritual forces of Omanbala are with me. I have been trying to educate ffools here but they are too blind to see the light.
Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X are my inspirators. I can't be wrong, I embody what a black man should be. I have rehabilitated many black people in America and instil black pride in them and you are telling me I am making sense for this first time? Please, don't quote me again. I dont need anybodys validation.

Oga if you like peruse through any other African-American intellectual with their variants of philosophy, it still doesn't foreclose the fact, that you just made a sensible post after all the series of tantrums you have been pulling off from the first page of this discourse till now.

That was how Enugu was for everybody until you started boasting that it was your land. Never again shall we accept the demonic regionalism. Same goes for the regional airports. Tomorrow they will come back to tell you that the airport is on their land. It is only a fool that should support an airport in Enugu state against his own. I rather support that every state should develop their own international airports.

basilo101:

That won't be a problem if the centre is for everybody

LLobiorah:


Oga if you like peruse through any other African-American intellectual with their variants of philosophy, it still doesn't foreclose the fact, that you just made a sensible post after all the series of tantrums you have been pulling off from the first page of this discourse till now.

This thread is gradually achieving success by knocking sense into the skulls of those villagers

murphyibiam15:
I just saw this thread after 3 months I read through, and its really interesting to interact here not minding insults flying around here.
I just want to share a little reason why I thinkit seems Ebonyi people don't want regionalism, but rather prefer states as federating units and would even prefer state autonomy to Regional autonomy. My write-up is shouldn't be misunderstood as accusation but here is the simple fact.
1)In regionalism the centre has the lion share of infrastructure and development and this is primarily why it seems a city like Enugu has more infrastructure than any other SE state capital, a state like Ebonyi actually didn't have any infrastructure going to the place of any sort but under the state of its own is able to have some roads, water , hospitals and have its people more employed which was not previously obtainable(not saying Ebonyi has arrived, far from it but gradually on the roadmap)

2)Employment is usually more to the people at the centre, take for instance the workers in regional owned institutions like the Akanu Ibiam Airport, the eastern hotels and many other regional investments had more of the people at the centre of the capital benefit more leaving those afar to wallow in their penury,

3)the taunting nature of the Igbo group.you all can bear witness how easy it is for igbos from more developed areas to cast aspersion on those without much infrastructure, things like there is no single flyover in your place and no single airport in your side.these things bring insults and people wouldn't be comfortable with it, same reason I don't buy into the idea of those saying the Enugu airport should serve igbos when tomorrow SB from Enugu begins to cast aspersion that your own state have no airport,

last but not the least, since Nigeria capital was moved from Lagos to Abuja , then why can't the regional capital now be in a place like Ebonyi since we want regionalism, it must not have to remain where it was before


mind you I'm from [b]Afikpo-south, LGA of Ebonyi state ..

kindly bring in your opinion , I won't respond to insults though, just want a decent discussion within the forum and I'm in no way castigating any eastern state.

That means, you are stating that a regional unit will be like the kind of cosmetic federalism Nigeria practices eh?

It is being concessioned at the moment, private sectors are taking over the management and maintenance of Lagos, Abuja, PH and Kano international airports. That's the plan.

oyatz:
PMB fails to learn from history and still strongly believes in Government domination of the economy.

Why not allow and encourage private investors to develop and manage these airports?

onuebonyi:
That was how Enugu was for everybody until you started boasting that it was your land. Never again shall we accept the demonic regionalism. Same goes for the regional airports. Tomorrow they will come back to tell you that the airport is on their land. It is only a fool that should support an airport in Enugu state against his own. I rather support that every state should developing their own international airports.

Lol. Is it not in our land? Its the whole world to use but its in our land and its FG property

Airlines ,even the more experienced and better capitalized ones like KLM or British airways aren't necessarily the same as aviation/airport managing companies.

basilo101:

Peter obi will facilitate the takeover of the airport by air peace

onuebonyi:
It is being concessioned at the moment, private sectors are taking over the management and maintenance of Lagos, Abuja, PH and Kano international airports. That's the plan.

Enugu will soon follow. Probably enugu and Yola to create the regional balance

oyatz:
Airlines ,even the more experienced and better capitalized ones like KLM or British airways aren't necessarily the same as aviation/airport managing companies.

And nothing bad if airline manage this one

LOL..that is why the airport is now allowed to rot. Now FG has left it behind because other Igbo states understood the politics behind it. Owerri airport traffic is more than twice Enugu airport traffic. The enugu airport has been abandoned, so it is now left for your state govt to take it and run as a local airport.

basilo101:

Lol. Is it not in our land? Its the whole world to use but its in our land and its FG property

It is not happening. Nobody invests out of sentiment. Enugu airport does not have traffic, so nobody, even your brother will not waste money on it. Even if Atiku-Obi succeeds I trust Obi because he knows the economics of investment. Any investment that cannot pay for itself is not worth it----that is Obi for you. E go do you like film.

basilo101:

Enugu will soon follow. Probably enugu and Yola to create the regional balance

onuebonyi:
LOL..that is why the airport is now allowed to rot. Now FG has left it behind because other Igbo states understood the politics behind it. Owerri airport traffic is more than twice Enugu airport traffic. The enugu airport has been abandoned, so it is now left for your state govt to take it and run as a local airport.

Enugu remain the only FG recognized international air route into SE. Igbo states can go an die. The airport is FG property for the whole world to use

Hehehehehe he is angry. Enugu airport is a local state airport. Enugu airport is now Enugu state airport, what Stella did has since been reversed because enugu airport is not viable. FG is no longer interested in it. See the international airports here.

basilo101:

Enugu remain the only FG recognized international air route into SE. Igbo states can go an die. The airport is FG property for the whole world to use

onuebonyi:
It is not happening. Nobody invests out of sentiment. Enugu airport does not have traffic, so nobody, even your brother will not waste money on it. Even if Atiku-Obi succeeds I trust Obi because he knows the economics of investment. Any investment that cannot pay for itself is not worth it----that is Obi for you. E go do you like film.

Obi is not a villager like you. You need to understand that. He knows the ripple effect the airport will create on anambra. He also understand the futility of that great folly called umueri bush clearing exercise

onuebonyi:
Hehehehehe he is angry. Enugu airport is a local state airport. Enugu airport is now Enugu state airport, what Stella did has since been reversed because enugu airport is not viable. FG is no longer interested in it. See the international airports here.

International flights are still landing as we speak

These are the only recognised international airports in Nigeria, they are equally viable with high air traffic.




The federal government has concluded arrangements to open the new terminals of Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport (NAIA), Abuja and Port Harcourt International Airport (PHIA) by the end of October this year.

Minister of State for Aviation, Senator Hadi Sirika, disclosed this recently during the Grand opening of the Legend Hotel Lagos Airport Curio Collection by Hilton located within the premises of private terminal facility of Quits Aviation at Murtala Muhammed International Airport (MMIA), Lagos.

Sirika , who informed that the federal government would spend huge sum of money in improving infrastructures at the airports especially the Murtala Muhammed Airport in Lagos also informed that the two other international airports in Lagos and Kano would follow suit.

Stop promoting unnecessary divisions. Ikwerreay be Igbo or hybrid tribe of Ijaw/Igbo or anything they like but they aren't enemies of igbos ( Ikwerre is no match for Igbo any day).


Airports are not built based solely on political/ethnic reasons but are also economic entities. There is nothing like Yoruba, Igbo or Ijaw-Igbo airport.

pazienza:


The Ikwerres are not working their way back to anything.
They are simply repositioning themselves for 2023, when they would seek to grab and hijack the Igbo presidency campaign.
Don't be too foolish to fall for their gimmicks.
Those people are incapable of remorse. They are set in their Igbophobic ways, there is no remedying the situation.
You should be wise enough to know when someone is being manipulative to exploit you. After 2019, expect Wike to feature more on Igbo gatherings, including more public proclamations of being Igbo. Expect Ogbakor Ikwerre to mellow down on their Igbophobia campaign and speeches.
It's calculative. But we are one step ahead of them. Ikwerre is not Igbo. If they want to be Igbo, fine, let them prove it by joining hands to help us campaign for AIIA airport, which would be a purely Igbo airport, and not an Igbo( this is me assuming Ikwerres are now Igbo) - Ijaw Airport.
Wike should also help campaign vigorously for an Igbo presidential candidate from SE, and finance such.
Let their claim to Igbo be put through altruistic balance and see how it fails immediately.

Onye aghogbu ka agba.

Where? hehehehe

Do you know why the airport was left to rot away? It is because they want the Ethiopia airline to withdrew. For more than 5yrs, it is just one airline and that tells you that the FG is interested in it? Enugu airport run way has gone from bad to worse, Ethiopia will pull out soon.

basilo101:

International flights are still landing as we speak

oyatz:
Stop promoting unnecessary divisions. Ikwerreay be Igbo or hybrid tribe of Ijaw/Igbo or anything they like but they aren't enemies of igbos ( Ikwerre is no match for Igbo any day).


Airports are not built based solely on political/ethnic reasons but are also economic entities. There is nothing like Yoruba, Igbo or Ijaw-Igbo airport

Thank you bro. That has been what I have been harping here. You don't waste funds on unviable states just because you want them to have airport. Airports are built strategically for economic reasons and not for ethnic reasons.

murphyibiam15

I just saw this thread after 3 months I read through, and its really interesting to interact here not minding insults flying around here.
I just want to share a little reason why I thinkit seems Ebonyi people don't want regionalism, but rather prefer states as federating units and would even prefer state autonomy to Regional autonomy. My write-up is shouldn't be misunderstood as accusation but here is the simple fact.
1)In regionalism the centre has the lion share of infrastructure and development and this is primarily why it seems a city like Enugu has more infrastructure than any other SE state capital, a state like Ebonyi actually didn't have any infrastructure going to the place of any sort but under the state of its own is able to have some roads, water , hospitals and have its people more employed which was not previously obtainable(not saying Ebonyi has arrived, far from it but gradually on the roadmap)

The Eastern region was a big region and there was no way every part could all be developed at once. But evidently, there has to be a center. Ebonyi isn't the only part in the old East that suffered infrastructural development, also bear in mind that we only enjoyed indigenous rule in the East only 6yrs, before the war broke out. There was simply not enough time to spread development everywhere.
Your Afikpo had one of you in government by the name Akanu Ibiam. Yet there are many zones in Igboland who had nobody in government and no infrastructure to boast of.
The Eastern region under Igbo reign lasted only for 6yrs, how many years have Ebonyi lasted Now? 20yrs! Yet you expected the Enugu led government to do miracles.
Even in this your Ebonyi state, groups like Ezza who are yet to taste power and far flung and neglected Northern parts like Effium, are still crying of marginalization. Yet Ebonyi has existed for 20yrs plus now, and we know that with more time, development will spread to those places. Same would have happened in Eastern region. Just as we have states today, the region had provinces and divisions.

2)Employment is usually more to the people at the centre, take for instance the workers in regional owned institutions like the Akanu Ibiam Airport, the eastern hotels and many other regional investments had more of the people at the centre of the capital benefit more leaving those afar to wallow in their penury,

This is not true. Those who worked in Enugu came from Far and wide. Micheal Okpara was a coal mining official in Enugu, yet he was from Umuahia. I had relatives from Anambra who worked in Enugu coal mines, yet Anambra is as close to Enugu as Ebonyi was.
It wasn't about proximity to state capital, it was about merit and educational qualifications. Igbo groups who embraced western education faster were more positioned to grab the job opportunities the colonial governments in Enugu offered, while Groups in Ebonyi who didn't embrace western education early, had to make do with farming.
Education was costly. My greatgrandfather sold his lands and barns to train my grandfather in school, Ogidi as a community established a scholarship board and tasked every adult in the town to contribute money, with which our best brains were sponsored to school.
Igbo groups who first noticed that colonial jobs offered more than farm jobs, quickly sold their lands and barns for white man educations, and went about following the white man where ever they went for jobs. That's why people like Zik dad were already in Zungeru by 1901 working for the colonial government there, while other Igbo groups were still enjoying farm work.
It's a bit myopic to claim that it had anything to do with proximity to the capital city. Ikwerre people were close to the coastline, yet had Igbo groups from Anambra and Imo who were in possession of the white man education, take the jobs away from them, making most of them to develop Igbo hate. When they should be thinking of how to get educated themselves and compete with those Igbo groups on equal footing. I hope you are not going the Ikwerre way with this your line of thought.

3)the taunting nature of the Igbo group.you all can bear witness how easy it is for igbos from more developed areas to cast aspersion on those without much infrastructure, things like there is no single flyover in your place and no single airport in your side.these things bring insults and people wouldn't be comfortable with it, same reason I don't buy into the idea of those saying the Enugu airport should serve igbos when tomorrow SB from Enugu begins to cast aspersion that your own state have no airport,

The taunting is everywhere. I told you how Ogidi town union contributed money to sponsor qualified sons of the land to University in the colonial days. Do you know what motivated that move? It was the endless taunting of Idemili people by Onitsha people. Onitsha people were the first to embrace western education in our area, so it happened that all the judges, magistrates and most of the other educated personels in the colonial government around the area were Onitsha people. Because of these, the Onitsha grew arrogant, and they taunted Idemili people. They called Idemili Igbo na amaro akwukwo, and other condescending names, so many Idemili towns couldn't take it anymore, so we went and did the needful. We acquired the western education ourselves, and that was the end of Onitsha taunting.
It's common sense that Enugu Airport serve Igbos for now, rather than a non Igbo Ph airport. In the future, we should be able to have five international airports in the region, if we develop and improve the living standard of our people. Netherlands have less people, less land and yet five international airports. We can do same.
Would you rather a non Igbo Ikwerre man taunt you, than an fellow naive Igbo taunt you?

last but not the least, since Nigeria capital was moved from Lagos to Abuja , then why can't the regional capital now be in a place like Ebonyi since we want regionalism, it must not have to remain where it was before

Why should it be moved to Ebonyi. Why not to let's say Ugwueke In Bende Abia State. The plaxe is undeveloped and was neglected by Eastern region government and now Abia state.
Why can't we just move Ebonyi capital from Abakaliki right now to Effium. At least Abakaliki had been enjoying the lionshare of Ebonyi allocations. Let other towns that are neglected enjoy small, it mustnt remain where it was before.
Brother, your mindset is flawed. It wasn't the siting of Igbo capital in Enugu that stopped Ebonyi from development. It was the lateness in embracing western education by Ebonyi people. That made Ebonyi to lag behind in development in Igboland. Neither Abia, Imo,or Anambra were capital of Eastern region, yet those places and people are relatively developed.
You are missing the point. Human resources development is the way out. That's how you catch up with other Igbos. It's not by greedily and out of misplaced envy, demanding for Igbo capital, so that tommorow, you will start accusing other Igbos of coming to your lands to dominate you, like Ikwerres did in Old Eastern region.

mind you I'm from [b]Afikpo-south, LGA of Ebonyi state ..

kindly bring in your opinion , I won't respond to insults though, just want a decent discussion within the forum and I'm in no way castigating any eastern state

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Good to know. Which means you were formerly from Abia State, and should know how well Ohafia, Abriba people, despite not being close to Enugu, had developed their lands, through human resources development.



Ndewo.

Hehehehehe..I trust Obi, he will never support an International airport in that unviable state. The Umuleri international airport is being built in Anambra and its ripple effects will be felt in Enugu state. Bush man

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basilo101:

Obi is not a villager like you. You need to understand that. He knows the ripple effect the airport will create on anambra. He also understand the futility of that great folly called umueri bush clearing exercise

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murphyibiam15:

thank God you agreed on this one

actually I'm beginning to see it that we wasted advancement during regionalism and only empowered the centre, I wonder how Ebonyi would have been if it had been created early( say in the 70s), that's why I feel we shouldn't be talking of regionalism, its cheating IMHO

You are naive to be buying into his divisive games.
If I get a coin each time he had denigrated Ebonyi using this moniker and his other monikers, I would be a millionaire by now.
Use your brains for once.

Forget the long grammar, the point he made is very clear---Never again shall we go back to regionalism.

pazienza:
murphyibiam15
The Eastern region was a big region and there was no way every part could all be developed at once. But evidently, there has to be a center. Ebonyi isn't the only part in the old East that suffered infrastructural development, also bear in mind that we only enjoyed indigenous rule in the East only 6yrs, before the war broke out. There was simply not enough time to spread development everywhere.
Your Afikpo had one of you in government by the name Akanu Ibiam. Yet there are many zones in Igboland who had nobody in government and no infrastructure to boast of.
The Eastern region under Igbo reign lasted only for 6yrs, how many years have Ebonyi lasted Now? 20yrs! Yet you expected the Enugu led government to do miracles.
Even in this your Ebonyi state, groups like Ezza who are yet to taste power and far flung and neglected Northern parts like Effium, are still crying of marginalization. Yet Ebonyi has existed for 20yrs plus now, and we know that with more time, development will spread to those places. Same would have happened in Eastern region. Just as we have states today, the region had provinces and divisions.This is not true. Those who worked in Enugu came from Far and wide. Micheal Okpara was a coal mining official in Enugu, yet he was from Umuahia. I had relatives from Anambra who worked in Enugu coal mines, yet Anambra is as close to Enugu as Ebonyi was.
It wasn't about proximity to state capital, it was about merit and educational qualifications. Igbo groups who embraced western education faster were more positioned to grab the job opportunities the colonial governments in Enugu offered, while Groups in Ebonyi who didn't embrace western education early, had to make do with farming.
Education was costly. My greatgrandfather sold his lands and barns to train my grandfather in school, Ogidi as a community established a scholarship board and tasked every adult in the town to contribute money, with which our best brains were sponsored to school.
Igbo groups who first noticed that colonial jobs offered more than farm jobs, quickly sold their lands and barns for white man educations, and went about following the white man where ever they went for jobs. That's why people like Zik dad were already in Zungeru by 1901 working for the colonial government there, while other Igbo groups were still enjoying farm work.
It's a bit myopic to claim that it had anything to do with proximity to the capital city. Ikwerre people were close to the coastline, yet had Igbo groups from Anambra and Imo who were in possession of the white man education, take the jobs away from them, making most of them to develop Igbo hate. When they should be thinking of how to get educated themselves and compete with those Igbo groups on equal footing. I hope you are not going the Ikwerre way with this your line of thought.
The taunting is everywhere. I told you how Ogidi town union contributed money to sponsor qualified sons of the land to University in the colonial days. Do you know what motivated that move? It was the endless taunting of Idemili people by Onitsha people. Onitsha people were the first to embrace western education in our area, so it happened that all the judges, magistrates and most of the other educated personels in the colonial government around the area were Onitsha people. Because of these, the Onitsha grew arrogant, and they taunted Idemili people. They called Idemili Igbo na amaro akwukwo, and other condescending names, so many Idemili towns couldn't take it anymore, so we went and did the needful. We acquired the western education ourselves, and that was the end of Onitsha taunting.
It's common sense that Enugu Airport serve Igbos for now, rather than a non Igbo Ph airport. In the future, we should be able to have five international airports in the region, if we develop and improve the living standard of our people. Netherlands have less people, less land and yet five international airports. We can do same.
Would you rather a non Igbo Ikwerre man taunt you, than an fellow naive Igbo taunt you?Why should it be moved to Ebonyi. Why not to let's say Ugwueke In Bende Abia State. The plaxe is undeveloped and was neglected by Eastern region government and now Abia state.
Why can't we just move Ebonyi capital from Abakaliki right now to Effium. At least Abakaliki had been enjoying the lionshare of Ebonyi allocations. Let other towns that are neglected enjoy small, it mustnt remain where it was before.
Brother, your mindset is flawed. It wasn't the siting of Igbo capital in Enugu that stopped Ebonyi from development. It was the lateness in embracing western education by Ebonyi people. That made Ebonyi to lag behind in development in Igboland. Neither Abia, Imo,or Anambra were capital of Eastern region, yet those places and people are relatively developed.
You are missing the point. Human resources development is the way out. That's how you catch up with other Igbos. It's not by greedily and out of misplaced envy, demanding for Igbo capital, so that tommorow, you will start accusing other Igbos of coming to your lands to dominate you, like Ikwerres did in Old Eastern reGood to know. Which means you were formerly from Abia State, and should know how well Ohafia, Abriba people, despite not being close to Enugu, had developed their lands, through human resources development.
Ndewo.

onuebonyi:
Where? hehehehe

Do you know why the airport was left to rot away? It is because they want the Ethiopia airline to withdrew. For more than 5yrs, it is just one airline and that tells you that the FG is interested in it? Enugu airport run way has gone from bad to worse, Ethiopia will pull out soon.

Better than bush clearing for decades

onuebonyi:
Forget the long grammar, the point he made is very clear---Never again shall we go back to regionalism.

You can go back to villageriasm. Declare your village as a country

Bush clearing is even better than the rotten airport in enugu

basilo101:

Better than bush clearing for decades

oyatz:
Stop promoting unnecessary divisions. Ikwerreay be Igbo or hybrid tribe of Ijaw/Igbo or anything they like but they aren't enemies of igbos ( Ikwerre is no match for Igbo any day).


Airports are not built based solely on political/ethnic reasons but are also economic entities. There is nothing like Yoruba, Igbo or Ijaw-Igbo airport.

Lol! Go to Lagos and tell them it's not a Yoruba airport.

Airport are built for economic reasons. SE is an economic zone with Enugu as it's only international airport. Common sense dictates that Enugu Airport be given as much attention as it's counterparts all over Nigeria.

Ikwerre are not Igbo enemies. Which is exactly why impostors here should stop forcing Ikwerre Airport on us, as the more they do that, the more we smell hidden agenda and the more we develop resentment towards them.
Sensible Ikwerres should control the impostors imposing Ph on Ndiigbo, and in so doing defuse the current tension.

Thank you.

Hehehehe..no one will ever buy into your useless regionalism again. Even that airport in enugu must rot away because there is a high awareness now amongst Igbos to always focus in their states. Villagers waiting for who to do everything for them. Una go wait tire

basilo101:

You can go back to villageriasm. Declare your village as a country

onuebonyi:
Hehehehehe..I trust Obi, he will never support an International airport in that unviable state. The Umuleri international airport is being built in Anambra and its ripple effects will be felt in Enugu state. Bush man

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Umueri is state project. Obi is on a national office. Enugu is within his jurisdiction Umueri is not. Villager

onuebonyi:
Forget the long grammar, the point he made is very clear---Never again shall we go back to regionalism.

Exactly. Never again will Ndiigbo invest outside Igboland, when there is an available option in Igboland.
Ph viability as an option for Ndiigbo, ended with the Death of Eastern region in 1967.

That chapter is gone.

Obi is an ''economist''. He does not invest in non viable projects. Enugu state airport falls within non viable projects, and that was why the FG abandoned it. Enugu airport does not have commercial air traffic, even ordinary Owerri airport without any support is twice busier than that nonsense in Enugu

basilo101:

Umueri is state project. Obi is on a national office. Enugu is within his jurisdiction Umueri is not. Villager