scully95:
This is not a joking matter oh. Now the war of words have begun. So far Israel has not attacked Syria since the downing of the Russian EW plane.

Here is an update from the war of words.

ISRAEL WON'T STOP OPS IN SYRIA DESPITE S-300 DELIVERY - DEFENSE MINISTER


On Tuesday, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stated that Moscow had delivered 49 units of S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to Syria in order to enhance the security of Russian servicemen in the country.


Speaking on Wednesday, Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said that Tel Aviv wasn't "happy" about the S-300sdeliveries to Syria, but it could not give up on its military operations in the war-ravaged country.

"I cannot say that we are happy about the deployment of the S-300s. At the same tome, we have no choice here. We have no opportunity to make decisions [on military operations in Syria]," he said.


The minister further stated that it was important for Russia and Israel to restore normal ties despite their disagreements over the downing of the Il-20 reconnaissance plane.

“I think the most important thing for us today is…to return the working relationship to normal. It is today the most important task — to return to normal operation, coordination, to more actively use the 'hot line' to prevent conflict situations. We need to work,” said Lieberman.

Lieberman once again reiterated that Israel blamed Syria for the Il-20 crash, thus dismissing Moscow's version that Israeli F-16 jets had used the Russian aircarft as a shield against Syrian air defenses.

“I repeat, the entire responsibility lies with Assad's army… Over the past two years Israel has conducted more than 200 strikes against Iranian facilities and Hezbollah targets in Syria. Two hundred times, and not a single Russian soldier received a single scratch. Suddenly, here we allegedly arranged such a 'setup'. It is illogical. In addition, you need to understand that the speed of the F-16 is two and a half times the speed of the Il-20… and at the time when the Syrian air defenses opened fire, Israeli planes were already in our airspace," the minister said.


He elaborated that the Russian side did not accept the "facts that we have provided them with," and was insisting on Moscow's version of events..

“We are engaged in a very civilized, adequate dialogue, despite the seriousness of the situation, despite the tragic incident. I want to emphasize that in the statement of the President of Russia, this was precisely the way it was defined — a chain of tragic events, therefore, it is necessary to treat and understand it this way, that for both Israel and Russia it is much more advisable… to have a positive dialogue, work together, rather than engage in public showdowns,” the minister added.

Earlier this week, Russian Defense Ministet Sergei Shoigu said that Russia had finalized the delivery of 49 units of S-300s to Syria.

On September 24, Shoigu announced that Moscow would take certain measures to boost the security of its troops in Syria, including deliveries of the advanced S-300 systems in the aftermath of the crash of Russia's Il-20 military aircraft.

The Russian military has blamed the downing on the Israeli Air Force, stressing that an Israeli fighter jet had used the Il-20 as a shield against Syrian air defenses.

seunny4lif:



In other news
Israel Def min said Israel will deploy F35

okeyglm:
the same toy, isreal have been playing since in Greece. I'm just observing

seunny4lif:
Training is diff from reality mr Man
The S300 will be sharing data with Russia main S300 and S400 and there is the problem.
S400 radars will be used to get information about F35 and that’s why US don’t want Turkey to get S400.
Let see in reality

pacino26:


I shared your point of view on a similar thread. It is a dicy one for the Isreali Airforce. You can't tell if it's a Russian or Syrian manned S300 that took you out of the sky

But wait o, thought they(Israel) promised to blow up the systems on delivery. What happened na

okeyglm:
the same toy, isreal have been playing since in Greece. I'm just observing

pacino26:


I shared your point of view on a similar thread. It is a dicy one for the Isreali Airforce. You can't tell if it's a Russian or Syrian manned S300 that took you out of the sky

But wait o, thought they(Israel) promised to blow up the systems on delivery. What happened na

Appleyard:


Blow up the system on arrival? Talk is cheap. It's over one week now, and suddenly it's all quiet in the Syrian Frontlines. What we are seeing here is a repeat of the Yugoslavia/ NATO war.

When NATO was about bombing Yugoslavia, the Yugoslavia military requested the S-300 from Russia, but the Kremlin decline the offer because they don't want to be politically involved in the matter. But the Yugo forces were witty, and you know what they did next? Well, they sent some of their army uniforms to a unit of Russian missile forces who took the uniforms, put them on and with them snapped some photos of themselves manning some units of the S-300. After that, they sent the photos back to the Yugo forces who in turn took them and intentionally positioned them for NATO to see. Of course, NATO intelligence saw the photos and guess what happened..
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The bombardment was delayed for a whole TWO WEEKS. . Call it ingenuity.

This is exactly what is happening now to IDF in Syria following the deployment of the S-300. In fact, the way the entire thing happened so quickly has got some people talking that Moscow might just have played the west by creating a false flag with the IL 20 plane, so they can have the excuse to create an air bubble over Syria.

Don't forget that we are talking about Russia--the grandmasters of chess and the god of geopolitics. Those crewmen could easily have parachuted out of the plane and what we have is an empty S-200 targeted IL-20. It's very possible. But again, I might be wrong.

However, one thing is now certain, and even the west knows it, although no one is admitting it: it is that Russia is effectively creating a de facto no fly zone over Syria, considering that the units supplied to Syria are being linked to Russian systems in Syria and to Russian radars mounted on ships across the sea. So even if IDF. Manage to get past one or more of the units, other radar systems would easily pick them up and relay their positions back to other units for a lock-in, shoot and destroy. Ask Israel what Soviet supplied SAMS did to its airforces in the 74 Egyptian war. They lost so many planes and a lot of casualties recorded.

For those armchair kid generals on Nairaland who believe in stealth and glide bombs to take out the S-300, hear this: Russian operates a layered air defense system, which include long, short and medium range SAMS all protecting one another, so the S-300 won't be operating alone. You have Pantsir S1 and S2, Tor M1, BUKs, SOE, etc, protecting the system. The Pantsir the IDF killed last time was sitting idle without weapons, and was not even under command to fire anything against Israel, and that's why Israel apologized after the incident. But this time around, Moscow ears are closed to any apology, and from all indication so far, they are ready to go haywire over the IL-20,and the west got the message very clear.

The only way round these systems now for IDF is to attack the Russian sea vessels which is primarily the heart of Russia's radar and EW power base as far as Syria is concerned.

But you and I already know what the answer to that option looks like.

Like Seunny4lif just mentioned, Holiday has come to the airwaves of Syria, and who else did it, the RUSSIAN BEAR!

seunny4lif:
Training is diff from reality mr Man
The S300 will be sharing data with Russia main S300 and S400 and there is the problem.
S400 radars will be used to get information about F35 and that’s why US don’t want Turkey to get S400.
Let see in reality

Appleyard:


Blow up the system on arrival? Talk is cheap. It's over one week now, and suddenly it's all quiet in the Syrian Frontlines. What we are seeing here is a repeat of the Yugoslavia/ NATO war.

When NATO was about bombing Yugoslavia, the Yugoslavia military requested the S-300 from Russia, but the Kremlin decline the offer because they don't want to be politically involved in the matter. But the Yugo forces were witty, and you know what they did next? Well, they sent some of their army uniforms to a unit of Russian missile forces who took the uniforms, put them on and with them snapped some photos of themselves manning some units of the S-300. After that, they sent the photos back to the Yugo forces who in turn took them and intentionally positioned them for NATO to see. Of course, NATO intelligence saw the photos and guess what happened..
.
The bombardment was delayed for a whole TWO WEEKS. . Call it ingenuity.

This is exactly what is happening now to IDF in Syria following the deployment of the S-300. In fact, the way the entire thing happened so quickly has got some people talking that Moscow might just have played the west by creating a false flag with the IL 20 plane, so they can have the excuse to create an air bubble over Syria.

Don't forget that we are talking about Russia--the grandmasters of chess and the god of geopolitics. Those crewmen could easily have parachuted out of the plane and what we have is an empty S-200 targeted IL-20. It's very possible. But again, I might be wrong.

However, one thing is now certain, and even the west knows it, although no one is admitting it: it is that Russia is effectively creating a de facto no fly zone over Syria, considering that the units supplied to Syria are being linked to Russian systems in Syria and to Russian radars mounted on ships across the sea. So even if IDF. Manage to get past one or more of the units, other radar systems would easily pick them up and relay their positions back to other units for a lock-in, shoot and destroy. Ask Israel what Soviet supplied SAMS did to its airforces in the 74 Egyptian war. They lost so many planes and a lot of casualties recorded.

For those armchair kid generals on Nairaland who believe in stealth and glide bombs to take out the S-300, hear this: Russian operates a layered air defense system, which include long, short and medium range SAMS all protecting one another, so the S-300 won't be operating alone. You have Pantsir S1 and S2, Tor M1, BUKs, SOE, etc, protecting the system. The Pantsir the IDF killed last time was sitting idle without weapons, and was not even under command to fire anything against Israel, and that's why Israel apologized after the incident. But this time around, Moscow ears are closed to any apology, and from all indication so far, they are ready to go haywire over the IL-20,and the west got the message very clear.

The only way round these systems now for IDF is to attack the Russian sea vessels which is primarily the heart of Russia's radar and EW power base as far as Syria is concerned.

But you and I already know what the answer to that option looks like.

Like Seunny4lif just mentioned, Holiday has come to the airwaves of Syria, and who else did it, the RUSSIAN BEAR!

Trapping:



I'm not so interested in the technical specifications of these toys. I'm more concerned with the resolve of the Russians to follow through with their threats. But something is telling me that Putin will back down from this resolution, not out of fear or intimidation but because he desperately wants to restore his relationship with the Americunts.

Trapping:



Applyeard, you're simply too much! Kudos for this analysis!

Zoharariel:
Latest News: Israel and the US have sent a secret military delegation to Ukraine to train against and test Russian-made S-300 missile defense systems.

According to multiple reports circulating in Israeli media, Israel and the US have sent a secret military delegation to Ukraine to train against and test Russian-made S-300 missile defense systems. According to reports, servicemen of the Ukrainian military instructed their US and Israeli counterparts on the capabilities of the air defense system as well as allowed US and Israeli specialists to test it in various possible scenarios.

According to reports, F-15 warplanes have trained against the S-300 in the framework of the Clear Sky 2018 international exercise which includes Israeli and US pilots. It wasn’t immediately clear if the Israeli pilots were flying or merely observing from the ground. However, on October 16, a US pilot and his Ukrainian counterpart died in the crash of a Ukrainian Su-27 warplane.

The Real News: U.S Pilot killed in Ukraine's SU-27 jet crash while training against the Soviet-era S-300.

The bastards covered up the news.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UIrqpkodCs

Zoharariel:
Latest News: Israel and the US have sent a secret military delegation to Ukraine to train against and test Russian-made S-300 missile defense systems.

According to multiple reports circulating in Israeli media, Israel and the US have sent a secret military delegation to Ukraine to train against and test Russian-made S-300 missile defense systems. According to reports, servicemen of the Ukrainian military instructed their US and Israeli counterparts on the capabilities of the air defense system as well as allowed US and Israeli specialists to test it in various possible scenarios.

According to reports, F-15 warplanes have trained against the S-300 in the framework of the Clear Sky 2018 international exercise which includes Israeli and US pilots. It wasn’t immediately clear if the Israeli pilots were flying or merely observing from the ground. However, on October 16, a US pilot and his Ukrainian counterpart died in the crash of a Ukrainian Su-27 warplane.

The Real News: U.S Pilot killed in Ukraine's SU-27 jet crash while training against the Soviet-era S-300.

The bastards covered up the news.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UIrqpkodCs

omololu2020:
Lol

When will the Israelis strike Syria again now, why is it taking them so long

omololu2020:
Lol

When will the Israelis strike Syria again now, why is it taking them so long

scully95:


Don't mind that Spoilt Kid known as Israel in the middle east. The only Adult in the room (Russia) has finally put a stop to all its nonchalant behaviour.

omololu2020:
the UN is really weak, thank God a lot of this European countries are tired of war, why will the UN just be looking while Israel keeps on violating the right of Syrians. It's just like Benin republic or Cameroon bombing the north east.