raumdeuter:


The same Mourinho who told everyone Sevilla had better heritage than man utd or not the one who spent the summer begging boateng

Bonnuci who ensured his country missed the world cup or the one responsible for 5 goals conceded this season already

When the desired is not available, the available becomes what? Mou would be thanking his God for not adding that alagolo to his bunch of average defenders.

Bonucci was responsible for 5 goals, yet the coach continued to use him in top matches and receiving accolades from Mou. Don't you think you need to take a nap?

nihilistjnr:


I'm not quite sure why you're so upset.

have you ever seen a fast bag of beans running around?

Matic is a good player though.

patrickmuf:

Is Valencia a top team? That they managed to leave Old Trafford with a point is a negative testimony to where we are presently.
Juventus have a stable defence yes but how about the midfield? Is Pjanic, Bentacur and Matuidi better than Pogba, Matic and Matic? No...So why were we dominated? Simple, tactical set up, Cancel was advancing at every opportunity along with Sandro who was surprising a bit conservative in the process stretching our midfield.
Up front, Dybala and Ronaldo choosed their moment to get into the box, they spent the entirety of the match on the wings and through the AM position dragging our CBs all over the place and in process distorting our defensive shape...This is tactics. What was our own game plan? Pass to Martial and hope he does something out of the ordinary or wait for a moment of brilliance from Pogba. When last did you watch our game wherein you saw a move and knew a goal was in the offing? I bet you can't remember.
We have the team to outplay Juventus but we don't have a coach who is positive with his approach.

Simple truth...

elampiro:
One thing about this thread is that there is always a generally held opinion. Once the opinion gains ground, almost 90% buy into it and that is the end. Like this Mourinho's sack. Not really different from the two previous managers sacked. The general opinion currently building now is the criticism of Lukaku. About 70% are already on this ship.

Recently, some were going to start criticizing Ashley Young just because of their love for Shaw on the LB position. Even when Young was posting a MOTM performance against Chelsea, someone still find a way to rubbish him. I heard Neville said he was the MOTM.

Is it that some people don't watch matches, they only read comments on this thread or they cannot form individual opinion?

Were you not the one that started the lukaku criticism?

airmark:


When the desired is not available, the available becomes what? Mou would be thanking his God for not adding that alagolo to his bunch of average defenders.

Bonucci was responsible for 5 goals, yet the coach continued to use him in top matches and receiving accolades from Mou. Don't you think you need to take a nap?

Bonnuci was signed by Milan made captainbut was immediately shipped out a season later becauseof dreadful performances back to the comfort and guidance of playing beside Chiellini

The same Mourinho who failed Juventus defense was calling and begging boateng to join him at man utd

Boateng a CL and world cup winner, bonnuci is what?

raumdeuter:


Bonnuci was signed by Milan made captainbut was immediately shipped out a season later becauseof dreadful performances back to the comfort and guidance of playing beside Chiellini

The same Mourinho who failed Juventus defense was calling and begging boateng to join him at man utd

Boateng a CL and world cup winner, bonnuci is what?

Is it Milan that shipped Bonucci out or he wanted out due to the poor players he had around him?
If you put Messi or in this case, peak Maldini, in that Milan team, how much of a difference will it make?

They would ask this one to train football, he would be raising three fingers around. HistoryFC with History Manager

elampiro:
One thing about this thread is that there is always a generally held opinion. Once the opinion gains ground, almost 90% buy into it and that is the end. Like this Mourinho's sack. Not really different from the two previous managers sacked. The general opinion currently building now is the criticism of Lukaku. About 70% are already on this ship.

Recently, some were going to start criticizing Ashley Young just because of their love for Shaw on the LB position. Even when Young was posting a MOTM performance against Chelsea, someone still find a way to rubbish him. I heard Neville said he was the MOTM.

Is it that some people don't watch matches, they only read comments on this thread or they cannot form individual opinion?

Oga abeg quiet. You think we are like you that watch our games through a calabash

patrickmuf:

Is Valencia a top team? That they managed to leave Old Trafford with a point is a negative testimony to where we are presently.
Juventus have a stable defence yes but how about the midfield? Is Pjanic, Bentacur and Matuidi better than Pogba, Matic and Mata? No...So why were we dominated? Simple, tactical set up, Cancel was advancing at every opportunity along with Sandro who was surprising a bit conservative in the process stretching our midfield.
Up front, Dybala and Ronaldo choosed their moment to get into the box, they spent the entirety of the match on the wings and through the AM position dragging our CBs all over the place and in process distorting our defensive shape...This is tactics. What was our own game plan? Pass to Martial and hope he does something out of the ordinary or wait for a moment of brilliance from Pogba. When last did you watch our game wherein you saw a move and knew a goal was in the offing? I bet you can't remember.
We have the team to outplay Juventus but we don't have a coach who is positive with his approach.

A midfield of Pogba, Matic and Mata will dominate a midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi and Bentancur who are hard workers and very disciplined? The same Pogba that even some were bashing yesterday that he was poor or the Matic that was slow? This average Juventus team is the only team in Europe top 5 league still unbeaten in all competition. Make of that what you will.

Yesterday performance was not bad or poor as you guys are making it seems. Maybe I watch another match from you guys.

patrickmuf:
Is it Milan that shipped Bonucci out or he wanted out due to the poor players he had around him?
If you put Messi or in this case, peak Maldini, in that Milan team, how much of a difference will it make?

He was one of the worst players in Milan last season and were so glad to make him part of the package to get Higuain from Juventus

If you put Messi or peak Maldini in Milan they will be better than what they had last season with Bonnuci leadership

larride:


A midfield of Pogba, Matic and Mata will dominate a midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi and Bentancur who are hard workers and very disciplined? The same Pogba that even some were bashing yesterday that he was poor or the Matic that was slow? This average Juventus team is the only team in Europe top 5 league still unbeaten in all competition. Make of that what you will.

Yesterday performance was not bad or poor as you guys are making it seems. Maybe I watch another match from you guys.

Has Chelsea lost this season or Dortmund?

The problem at Man Utd is esoterically complex. It's neither the fault of the coach nor the players. At the same time, it's their fault, plus the board and the owners.

Tiring.

Elampiro I see you've started drumming support for A. Young. He didn't perform too badly yesterday neither was he spectacular.

However, you should know that it's only normal to criticize players when they serve poo. Had Young performed woefully yesterday we'd still be bashing him now.

The current censure of Lukaku is well merited and in the right direction. Last season it appeared as if he was tasking himself , learning how to play with the team and developing his football play. With the cr.ap he's been serving of recent it seems all that's gained went right out the window after the summer break. He's too big. He can't run, can't control the ball, can't pass correctly, and the one that irks me the most - HE CANNOT CONTEST HEADERS WITH SHORTER DEFENDERS!!

That's gotta get on your nerves.

larride:


A midfield of Pogba, Matic and Mata will dominate a midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi and Bentancur who are hard workers and very disciplined? The same Pogba that even some were bashing yesterday that he was poor or the Matic that was slow? This average Juventus team is the only team in Europe top 5 league still unbeaten in all competition. Make of that what you will.

Yesterday performance was not bad or poor as you guys are making it seems. Maybe I watch another match from you guys.

They're hard workers and disciplined because the tactics and training they receive is better and nothing more. It's only normal you say we played well because De Gea wasn't gonna let Ronaldo get the better of him again thus was in inspired form for the entirety of the game, how many times did we work Szczesny bar Martial's shot from range and Pogba's effort that hit the post?
Shockingly, Lindelof too stood up tall if not, we wouldn't be having this discussion. It no wonder our rivals didn't flood this place to troll.

larride:


A midfield of Pogba, Matic and Mata will dominate a midfield of Pjanic, Matuidi and Bentancur who are hard workers and very disciplined? The same Pogba that even some were bashing yesterday that he was poor or the Matic that was slow? This average Juventus team is the only team in Europe top 5 league still unbeaten in all competition. Make of that what you will.

Yesterday performance was not bad or poor as you guys are making it seems. Maybe I watch another match from you guys.

naso, Chelsea played a behind closed doors match

Afolabi6046:
naso, Chelsea played a behind closed doors match

Dortmund dey play Sunday school football as well Lol

Jemi7:


Oga abeg quiet. You think we are like you that watch our games through a calabash

Elampiro...just tolerate jemi tonight .

Lowkey...jemi be mad man walahi

Leyqute:
The problem at Man Utd is esoterically complex. It's neither the fault of the coach nor the players. At the same time, it's their fault, plus the board and the owners.

Tiring.

You get fault too.

Afolabi6046:
naso, Chelsea played a behind closed doors match

While I might have omitted Dortmund, Chelsea are in the Europa league so they are out of the conversation.

Take several seats behind.

Chai see napoli abeg

patrickmuf:

Is Valencia a top team? That they managed to leave Old Trafford with a point is a negative testimony to where we are presently.
Juventus have a stable defence yes but how about the midfield? Is Pjanic, Bentacur and Matuidi better than Pogba, Matic and Mata? No...So why were we dominated? Simple, tactical set up, Cancel was advancing at every opportunity along with Sandro who was surprising a bit conservative in the process stretching our midfield.
Up front, Dybala and Ronaldo choosed their moment to get into the box, they spent the entirety of the match on the wings and through the AM position dragging our CBs all over the place and in process distorting our defensive shape...This is tactics. What was our own game plan? Pass to Martial and hope he does something out of the ordinary or wait for a moment of brilliance from Pogba. When last did you watch our game wherein you saw a move and knew a goal was in the offing? I bet you can't remember.
We have the team to outplay Juventus but we don't have a coach who is positive with his approach.

Even under SAF, teams like Valencia or even worse left Old Trafford with a point. Even Bilbao beat us.

Juventus have faster midfielders. Please stop mentioning Mata. Adding average Mata to the slow combination of Pogba and Matic makes it worse.

Juventus has more quality players. Take it or leave it. This is same thing that have been playing in UCL final and semi final.

raumdeuter:


Were you not the one that started the lukaku criticism?

Yes. Lukaku was never the kind of forward that I would want in Manchester United as I clearly stated. I prefer a striker like Aguero who can play, dribble and score. All the poor qualities I observed about Lukaku last year are just being discovered now by the rest of my pals here. I wonder why they could not see that his style of play was a problem.

However, Lukaku has even improved his overall play and goal scoring from the person I criticized last year. He is able to stretch the defence where there is space to run forward, he presses for the ball and drops deep to involve in some build up even when not as technically gifted as Aguero, Kane, etc. He is not just the hyena he was in the beginning. Knowing he is not so gifted, I decided to take him as he is mostly as there are no free world class strikers in the market.

My issue with the rest of my pals is that it looks like they just gang up to support a general opinion. When one is in opposition, they don't care to listen or view the person's opinion. The general opinion must be defended and held.

Leyqute:
Elampiro I see you've started drumming support for A. Young. He didn't perform too badly yesterday neither was he spectacular.

However, you should know that it's only normal to criticize players when they serve poo. Had Young performed woefully yesterday we'd still be bashing him now.

The current censure of Lukaku is well merited and in the right direction. Last season it appeared as if he was tasking himself , learning how to play with the team and developing his football play. With the cr.ap he's been serving of recent it seems all that's gained went right out the window after the summer break. He's too big. He can't run, can't control the ball, can't pass correctly, and the one that irks me the most - HE CANNOT CONTEST HEADERS WITH SHORTER DEFENDERS!!

That's gotta get on your nerves.

Young always posted outstanding performance on the left side of the field. Which was my original point. He makes us more dangerous there than Luke Shaw. Now he is doing good on the right side which is his weaker attacking side.

I agree on Lukaku, but we should take it easy because he still scores and bail us out.

raumdeuter:


Bonnuci was signed by Milan made captainbut was immediately shipped out a season later becauseof dreadful performances back to the comfort and guidance of playing beside Chiellini

The same Mourinho who failed Juventus defense was calling and begging boateng to join him at man utd

Boateng a CL and world cup winner, bonnuci is what?

Go and ask Pep, Conte, Mou who all wanted him at 30. Still playing for the biggest team in Italy. At 30, everyone is avoiding boathand like a plague.

This Napoli beating PSG, Juventus made them looked ordinary in their league match. Juve won 3-1

nitrogen:





Baddest rapper, so used to using one and same line over and over.

Kai and Witsel was available for peanuts yet he went to pay £90m for Bag of Beans and Fred

airmark:


Go and ask Pep, Conte, Mou who all wanted him at 30. Still playing for the biggest team in Italy. At 30, everyone is avoiding boathand like a plague.

Pep wantd Bonnuci yet the same Pep has bought multiple defenders and never bought Bonnuci

Bonnuci has now turned to the player used as make weight for transfer, Abeg give us Higuain and we will give you Bonnuci + money

Thats what the soapy defender has turned into

Once again Boateng CL winner, and world cup winner Bonnuci is what?

Afolabi6046:
They would ask this one to train football, he would be raising three fingers around. HistoryFC with History Manager

Can't wait for him to return to OT as an opposition manager and raise three fingers for the community shield, Europa league and Carabao cup he won here. #copied

raumdeuter:


Pep wantd Bonnuci yet the same Pep has bought multiple defenders and never bought Bonnuci

[s]Bonnuci has now turned to the player used as make weight for transfer, Abeg give us Higuain and we will give you Bonnuci + money

Thats what the soapy defender has turned into

Once again Boateng CL winner, and world cup winner Bonnuci is what?[/s]

You shot yourself apari

raumdeuter:


Pep wanted Bonnuci they couldnt get for him, He wanted Alexis they couldnt get for him, He wanted Jorginho they couldnt get for him

Maybe Pep should call a press conference to lament how he hasnt been supported.

airmark:
You shot yourself apari

Did Pep buy Bonucci? If Pep wanted Bonnuci real bad he will buy him but given the disaster he displayed when he left the community defence of Juventus. Pep will be thanking his stars

Boateng CL and world cup winning defender a key player for both teams. What is Bonnuci?

raumdeuter:


Did Pep buy Bonucci? If Pep wanted Bonnuci real bad he will buy him but given the disaster he displayed when he left the community defence of Juventus. Pep will be thanking his stars
[s]
Boateng CL and world cup winning defender a key player for both teams. What is Bonnuci?[/s]

Shameless man, why did you say they didn't buy Bonucci for him?

raumdeuter:


Pep wanted Bonnuci they couldnt get for him,

Maybe Pep should call a press conference to lament how he hasnt been supported.