Algerian1:
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@Henry240 this might actually be uglier than those Igrigi prototypes we so a couple of years ago

jln115:
@Henry240 this might actually be uglier than those Igrigi prototypes we so a couple of years ago

Never despise your days of humble beginnings. The Igirigi first prototype was one ugly "motherfucker", but it was our ugly "motherfucker".

I was over the moon when the igririgi appeared at NADCEL 2013. However look where we are today?

The largest Defence equipment manufacturer in Sub-Saharan Africa behind South-Africa.

From the humble Igirigi to the mighty Ara.

Rooikat 105 is no longer available for manufacture. The subsystems are out of production and they'll probably have to develop it from scratch to get to a new production vehicle. There wont be any funds available for that in the foreseeable future and other 105mm armed 8x8's are a generation ahead anyway.

Denel should have started marketing it as a COIN high speed pursuit platform for killing Toyotas 15 years ago when all the COIN wars started in my opinion. Today we see dozens of 8x8 90-105mm gun mounted systems becoming very popular. Companies like CMI are positioned to make a killing on their fire support turrets. Smaller armies are lining up for these as they are much cheaper to run than MBT's and can be integrated with most of the new 8x8 IVF's that everyone is buying.
For some reason , products like UAV's, glide pgm's and wheeled 155mm guns that Denel couldn't give away in the 90's are now in fashion again.

The SANDF has about 200 Rooikats in storage, so they wont run out of fire support options soon. 80 of the operational ones have been upgraded during project Arum Lily in 2006. The 76mm gun was designed to take out a T62 at 2000m and carries 15 more rounds, so its good enough for the African environment.

kikuyu1:
Saffas,now that the Badger programme is on course for next year where does that leave the excellent Rooikat 105?
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48055:badger-service-entry-on-track-for-2019&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

You've no dedicated Badger AT version:
You ofc know what happens when fighting in forested savannahs and tree branches get in the way of 20k$ ATGMs;imo you still need a 105 Squasheads and APFSDS to punch through thickets and branches and destroy other lurking LAVs-not everyone will be on the level of M23/Seleka/BH/AS. There's no Badger/Rooikat 105 equivalent-61mech,patches869,ssaengine,andrewza,jln115,frumentius,mikecza,what gives?
Also are you dropping the game changing AMOS 120 mm Patria? Btw,it can fire in direct mode!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jTKubr4D4

Algerian1:


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Beechcraft T-34C1 TURBO MENTOR

Thanks! How old is that picture then? I have read elsewhere online that the type is in storage and no longer in use.

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61mech:
Rooikat 105 is no longer available for manufacture. The subsystems are out of production and they'll probably have to develop it from scratch to get to a new production vehicle. There wont be any funds available for that in the foreseeable future and other 105mm armed 8x8's are a generation ahead anyway.

Denel should have started marketing it as a COIN high speed pursuit platform for killing Toyotas 15 years ago when all the COIN wars started in my opinion. Today we see dozens of 8x8 90-105mm gun mounted systems becoming very popular. Companies like CMI are positioned to make a killing on their fire support turrets. Smaller armies are lining up for these as they are much cheaper to run than MBT's and can be integrated with most of the new 8x8 IVF's that everyone is buying.
For some reason , products like UAV's, glide pgm's and wheeled 155mm guns that Denel couldn't give away in the 90's are now in fashion again.

The SANDF has about 200 Rooikats in storage, so they wont run out of fire support options soon. 80 of the operational ones have been upgraded during project Arum Lily in 2006. The 76mm gun was designed to take out a T62 at 2000m and carries 15 more rounds, so its good enough for the African environment.

Just read up on Project Arum lily,thanks! Hmmm...so they're upgunned to 105 mm. What about the Badger version of the Patria 120 mm? Imo,that supersedes any platform on the AT/fire support role.

nganduh:
ISLAMABAD: The Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet has approved the issuance of a certificate of sovereign guarantee for the sale of three JF-17 aircraft to Nigerian Air Force against a sum of $184.3 million, to support the declining foreign exchange reserves.

The Ministry of Defence Production had tabled a summary before the ECC which approved the issuance of a certificate of sovereign guarantee to show commitment for the provision of the aforementioned aircraft to Nigerian Air Force, in line with a contract signed between the two sides recently.

Officials familiar with the development told The Express Tribune that the Ministry of Defence Production informed the ECC that the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) was continuing its role as Repair Overhaul Organisation (ROO) for technical operation support of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).
The ministry further informed the economic decision-making committee that the PAC Kamra had signed a contract for the sale of three JF-17 aircraft and associated package to Nigerian Air Force.


According to Article 6.1 of the contract, PAC Kamra shall present the sovereign bank guarantee from the Government of Pakistan prior to the release of payment by Nigeria. No bank loan or credit financing is involved in this case, the ECC was told.

The ministry told the ECC that the Nigerian authorities had been informed that the Government of Pakistan would issue a certificate of sovereign guarantee rather than a certificate of sovereign bank guarantee, and the Nigerians had agreed to it.

The guarantee referred here is the surety from the Government of Pakistan that contracted products and related equipment would be provided to the purchaser by the PAC Kamra. A draft of the requisite guarantee acceptable to the purchaser is also required concurrently.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1832482/2-ecc-okays-sale-jf-17-nigeria-184-3m/

With the JF-17 fighter jet, the Nigerian Air Force has purchased over 46 aircrafts in the last 3 years.

12 x MI-35M
10 x Super Mushak
6 x Leonardo A109 utility helicopters
12 x Super Tucano (USA)
3. X Super Tucano (Brazil)
6. X JF-17
Unknown number of Yahbon flash UAV


That's impressive by any account.

This figure doesn't include;

2 x AW101
4 x EC-135
2 x Bell 412

52 aircrafts in 4 years total.

They still use the 76mm. The guys at SSB doesn't want the 105mm. 76mm Carries more ammo for long range operations where you are far from your logistics train.
The 76mm ammo is also much easier and quicker to load due to the smaller size and weight, so you can have quicker follow up shots.
S.O.P is to run like hell if you come across a T-72 and it can kill a t-64. T-72 would require a 120mm anyway. 105mm Heat isn't good enough for T-72 and an APFSDS needs DU to do the job.

I would have preferred they use the Rooikats in storage instead of the Badger for fire support and use those Badger hulls for a 120mm mortar or 105mm T-7 artillery version.
Also upgrade some to conventional vehicle electric drive and dedicate them to the recon role.

kikuyu1:


Just read up on Project Arum lily,thanks! Hmmm...so they're upgunned to 105 mm. What about the Badger version of the Patria 120 mm? Imo,that supersedes any platform on the AT/fire support role.

Henry240:

With the JF-17 fighter jet, the Nigerian Air Force has purchased over 46 aircrafts in the last 3 years.

12 x MI-35M
10 x Super Mushak
6 x Leonardo A109 utility helicopters
12 x Super Tucano (USA)
3. X Super Tucano (Brazil)
6. X JF-17
Unknown number of Yahbon flash UAV


That's impressive by any account.

If it 6 JF-17s? The article is saying 3?

nganduh:


If it 6 JF-17s? The article is saying 3?

Based on Nigeria's 2018 budget. 3 x JF-17 payment old, a new line item 3 x JF-17. So 6 units in all.

Henry240:

Based on Nigeria's 2018 budget. 3 x JF-17 payment old, a new line item 3 x JF-17. So 6 units in all.

I am hoping it is the B variant. Desperately hoping

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Henry240:

Based on Nigeria's 2018 budget. 3 x JF-17 payment old, a new line item 3 x JF-17. So 6 units in all.

I hope we can use our new munitions coming from the USA on them.

Henry240:

Based on Nigeria's 2018 budget. 3 x JF-17 payment old, a new line item 3 x JF-17. So 6 units in all.

until the six land for 9ja just believe say na 3 unit ,rest money na for support,training ,ammunition, construction of hangers.

Henry240:

With the JF-17 fighter jet, the Nigerian Air Force has purchased over 46 aircrafts in the last 3 years.

12 x MI-35M
10 x Super Mushak
6 x Leonardo A109 utility helicopters
12 x Super Tucano (USA)
3. X Super Tucano (Brazil)
6. X JF-17
Unknown number of Yahbon flash UAV


That's impressive by any account.

Not up to 12 MI 35M choppers. We don't have more than 4 of these machines.
Only 3 JF-17s aircraft, weapons, pilots and engineers training + maintenance tools/hangar equipment / paid for.
No Super Tucanos coming from Brazil.
We are likely to have advanced (expedited) delivery of 3 of the 12 US Super Tucanos instead.

Henry240:

Based on Nigeria's 2018 budget. 3 x JF-17 payment old, a new line item 3 x JF-17. So 6 units in all.

Pls add up all outlays for JF17 from the 2015 or 2016 budget to 2018. If you get N60bn to N65bn in total, Nigeria is getting three if they add up to N130bn then it's six units.
I think we have paid up for only three units.

SternProphet:


Not up to 12 MI 35M choppers. We don't have more than 4 of these machines.
Only 3 JF-17s aircraft, weapons, pilots and engineers training + maintenance tools/hangar equipment / paid for.
No Super Tucanos coming from Brazil.
We are likely to have advanced (expedited) delivery of 3 of the 12 US Super Tucanos instead.

My post is based on budget provisions, statements from the Nigerian Air Force and selling country/company.

If you look at what has been ordered and confirmed by both parties, you'll see that my post is in line with what we have on the ground and what we're expecting.

All information are widely available in this thread.

SternProphet:


Pls add up all outlays for JF17 from the 2015 or 2016 budget to 2018. If you get N60bn to N65bn in total, Nigeria is getting three if they add up to N130bn then it's six units.
I think we have paid up for only three units.

In light of this information contained in the budget, it seems to me that the Nigerian Air Force is procuring 6 units of JF-17 fighter jets.

This is part of Nigeria's national budget for 2018.


@nganduh

barineh:


I hope we can use our new munitions coming from the USA on them.

I really don't know.

Nigerian army ARA MRAP

Henry240:
Nigerian army ARA MRAP

What's holding up additional orders for this beauty by N.A. .If they want want something better why not order the ARA mk.1 first to save lives.3 years and no new MRAP inducted up until october this year.

Nigerian Air Force Regiment soldier

COAS Lt Gen TY BURATAI Set to launch first Nigerian Army Combat Patrol Vehicle.
The COAS Lt Gen TY BURATAI will on Saturday 27 October 2018 unveil a Soft Skinned Vehicle designed and built by Depot NA Zaria as part of activities for 77 Regular Recruit intake.
This vehicle dedicated in honour of the COAS is named TYB ( Tukur Yusuf Buratai ) ROVER is an initiative of the Commandant Depot NA Maj Gen VO Ezugwu through the Military Skills and Acquisition Training Programme package in consultation and guidance of the Mech Engr Dept ABU Zaria and National Automative Council Abuja.
The first prototype of this combat patrol vehicle which has a crew capacity of 8 soldiers can be dismantled and reassembled as operational exigiency dictates.

numbered:
What's holding up additional orders for this beauty by N.A. .If they want want something better why not order the ARA mk.1 first to save lives.3 years and no new MRAP inducted up until october this year.

Who knows, probably funds. The Nigerian army has an existing order for 10 units though.

jteku:
COAS Lt Gen TY BURATAI Set to launch first Nigerian Army Combat Patrol Vehicle.
The COAS Lt Gen TY BURATAI will on Saturday 27 October 2018 unveil a Soft Skinned Vehicle designed and built by Depot NA Zaria as part of activities for 77 Regular Recruit intake.
This vehicle dedicated in honour of the COAS is named TYB ( Tukur Yusuf Buratai ) ROVER is an initiative of the Commandant Depot NA Maj Gen VO Ezugwu through the Military Skills and Acquisition Training Programme package in consultation and guidance of the Mech Engr Dept ABU Zaria and National Automative Council Abuja.
The first prototype of this combat patrol vehicle which has a crew capacity of 8 soldiers can be dismantled and reassembled as operational exigiency dictates.

@Jln115 it seems the Nigerian army has done it again.

They have beat their own Igirigi prototype record.

SternProphet:


Pls add up all outlays for JF17 from the 2015 or 2016 budget to 2018. If you get N60bn to N65bn in total, Nigeria is getting three if they add up to N130bn then it's six units.
I think we have paid up for only three units.

Done this some time in July

Henry240:

In light of this information contained in the budget, it seems to me that the Nigerian Air Force is procuring 6 units of JF-17 fighter jets.

This is part of Nigeria's national budget for 2018.


@nganduh

I thought the same. Just that the Pakistan article has $183m fand saying 3 planes. But them it is saying "singed recently" so maybe the additional 3 is what has been signed recently.

Moroccan F5 with AIM-9 + AGM-65 Maverick



the Marrakech Air Show 2018 start yesterday 24 to 27 october

nganduh:


I thought the same. Just that the Pakistan article has $183m fand saying 3 planes. But them it is saying "singed recently" so maybe the additional 3 is what has been signed recently.

Let's agree it's 3 confirmed units for the JF-17.

Mirage F1 Astrac with MICA-IR morocco