globemoney:

what has Nnamdi Kanu said that is more uncouth and abusive than the Oba of Lagos threatening to drown igbos in the Lagoon or similar statements from the north including the quit notice to igbos in the north? Pray tell, show us when you showed the same venom to these people like you are showing to Kanu. Stop deceiving yourself. You're not igbo. You think we will continue to be the punching bag of other Nigerians. More Nnamdi Kanus are coming you idiot

"...When we speak, the Zoo trembles, that is what happens when a cattle rearing terrorist and paedophile is your ruler."

"If you find anybody in your village asking after Radio Biafra kill the baboon Awusa Fulani or Yoruba bastard. Let them keep searching as we keep tweeting for #Biafra."

"Buhari is a shameless Paedophile and rapist."

"Buhari is a Terrorist he should be killed."

"Nigeria is a zoo and everybody living in that Godforsaken zoo deserves to die."

"Kumuyi should be stoned and dealt with thoroughly if he comes to Aba for his planned crusade."

"The imbecilic Goodluck Jonathan is a disgrace to humanity and deserves to be skinned alive for handing over to an Hausa goat."

"By the time we finish dealing with the animals in the zoo, there'll be none left to tell the story."

"We are assembling weapons and we need some more money to thoroughly equip our military to enable us unleash mayhem on Nigeria."

"Niger Deltans are cowards; we know what to do to them. Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa, Delta, Rivers, Edo and Cross Rivers State are our territory and anybody who tries to oppose us will be crushed."

"Buhari married his wife after raping her several times, the records are there."

"No Ibo man should attend any Church where the pastor is a Yoruba man, they are criminals and fools."

"Nigeria should prepare for war, we are coming to annihilate you, my secret service are already studying the zoo and strategising."

"Its either Biafra or death..."

The above are snippets of what you mentally unstable god has said. I've known Nnamdi Kanu since I listened to his rants as a student in UNN long before he got arrested and became famous. He has always been as mentally unbalanced as the above indicates.
Oh, and go on any of the many IPOB groups of Facebook and see the generation of deranged, hateful maniacs your lord and savior has bred.

pazienza:
We all know the limitations of IPOB. Let me list some of them.
1. Multiethinicity
2. Failure to realize that most strong institutions or entities are better destroyed from inside and not from outside. The Greek could not bring down Troy, until they used the Greek gift to get themselves past the impregnable gates of Troy , and once inside, they fought ferociously and conquered Troy.
Nigeria is Troy for Ndiigbo today. There is no breaking down this Troy from outside, we need to get close. Our route to this is via political process. Even Zik recognized that the only way to dismantle British colonial rule was to become part and parcel of the British colonial government. Strong entities are better destroyed from inside.
By rigging themselves out of the political process of Nigeria in Igboland, IPOB have simply rejected their only Greek Trojan horse, and instead decided to stay outside the fence and waste their time. This is pure own goal.
Ofcourse. Pro IPOB Igbos justify this self destructive stance by claiming that Nigerian political processes are flawed and corrupts all who touches it, but we all know this is a flimsy excuse and in no way makes sense. IPOB have grassroot youthful support. They have hordes of lawyers amongst them. They are more than capable of protecting their votes from rigging and holding Nigeria to ransom via court processes and protests, should an unpopular candidate be elected.


There are lots more problems with IPOB, but the above two are the main ones.
Anyone thinking of offering Ndiigbo an upgrade on IPOB, like IPOB offered us upgrade on MASSOB, must be thinking of correcting the above two fundamental flaws of IPOB.

One plate of Ishiewu and any beer of your choice for the bolded part.

Obi1kenobi

There is a lot of conjecturing here. You're making a lot of presumptions. Firstly, politics is about persuasion. The Brexit movement for example took time to gain momentum - initially championed mostly by a tiny minority party in the UK with no seats in Parliament, the UKIP. If a group like IPOB has not done its homework and their primary (and only) strategy is whipping up frenzied resentment at the "zoo", then they're not fit for purpose. And yes, people like me have no interest in secession.
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You don't command unshakable loyalty of Igbo grassroots like NK have, without power of persuasion.
IPOB have pretty much mapped out their strategy and stuck by it, whether it will work, will only be proved by time . Moreover comparing IPOB with Brexit, is abit out of place. A better comparision will be Catalonia and Spain, Scotland and Britain, Basque and Spain.

On the bold, in other news, the grass is green. Ofcourse, it isnt hard to spot.

But I am open-minded to cogent solutions and I'll always listen to a good argument if I find it persuasive. Interminably ranting about the "zoo", riling up and provoking seemingly every other Nigerian group (and dissenting Igbos) with unguarded utterances and insults and preaching election boycotts to further disenfranchise ourselves is absolute lunacy that no thinking person should take seriously. Which is why I do not take IPOB seriously. My further personal hate of Nnamdi Kanu (a guy with "narcissistic charlatan" basically tattooed on his forehead) and the cult-like following he attracts adds to the fervor.
If there is a way to get this "perfect Biafra", let them articulate it clearly. Ranting about the zoo, abusing Buhari and Fulanis and Muslims and Yorubas is no substitute for policy.

I wonder why and how someone who is already biased towards Seccesion be able to be open minded towards those with secession plans? Isn't this contradictory coming from you?
Your opinion about NK doesn't change the fact that he is probably the most powerful man in Igboland today. He controls Millions without paying them a dime. Your opinions about him doesn't seem that relevant in the larger scheme of things. You accuse him of us using unguared insults on others, yet you yourself have proven to be no better than him, as you had continuously used uncouth words and expletives to describe him and all he stands for. Maybe it's time you looked at the mirror, before taliking about NK.

The emboldened is specious. All of us are not bound to be political. I'm an introvert and don't care to lead any people in anything. That is fitting with my temperament. This does not mean anyone who is not political shelves the right to critique dangerous charlatans. Else, even journalists do not have a right to critique politicians and you do not have a right to appraise the performance of your Councillors or Reps or Senators or Governors or whoever

So, all you are going to do is rant on and offline against those who saw a problem and decided to do something about it, using their own methods. You have no guts to act on the problem, you are only interested in ranting against those trying out their own solutions.
Well, now you know, the world follow those who act. If you are only going to rant, then rant on. Just know that your opinions wouldn't count in the end.

Kanu also did not make the sacrifices you're claiming above. Providence got him into his position. He got arrested, attracted a lot of sympathetic rage from Ndigbo and harnessed it and had the power of personality to utilize it. I don't know of any evidence he sacrificed his career. He probably got like 100 times richer from his IPOB activities. IPOB basically became his profession and brand. As far as I'm concerned, he never expected things to go wrong for him and he was drunk on power. He is never coming back here to make any of the "sacrifices" you're claiming. I expect him to devote the rest of his life to ranting on the internet about the "zoo".

Well, well, why not allow this Mr Providence get you into position to nullify NK, before you can start talking?
He made sacrifices. Freedom fighting is no easy feat, he was more than aware of the fact that he would suffer at some point, and he did suffer. If he were out for money, I'm sure Nigeria would have paid him off while in prison to betray the struggle like they did to Uwazuruike, but he stuck to his mission and refused to be paid off.
If you think this is about money, then you probably are yet to give up on your Nigerian mentality. Men like NK, it isn't about money for them. Ask those Igbo politicians that tried to use money and promises to make NK Back down and retire to riches like Uwazuruike did, but the young man turned them all down.
There is a reason he commands the respect of the grassroots. They know that he is incorruptible. He had proven it, until this last broadcast, which I'm suspicious of.
Funny enough, IPOB are on ground all over the world doing their thing, while people like you are the ones content with internet ranting.

My alternative for Igbos is clear. To build bridges with other groups in Nigeria if they expect the Presidency, rather than alienating everyone in the "zoo". If the Yorubas can do it, there is no reason we can't. And if truly they are interested in a Biafran republic, to do their homework which takes assiduous effort and time in mobilization and lobbying, as has been done in every other civilized clime.

This is Zik approach that already failed. The country is too Igbophobic for Ndiigbo to truly achieve True integration. We can't be repeating yesterday mistakes today, even with benefit of hindsight.

If that is too much hardwork and compulsion is our strategy, then take up arms and fight the state like some small Balkan states did. I certainly won't be joining but if those who harbour the dream are that set on it, that is the only viable route if you eschew the political process.
Else, anything else is a whole lot of pointless noise that will accomplish absolutely nothing

This is Ojukwu solution. It will fail again if tried.
We have no allies. Every Nigerian groups are eyeing Igbo property in their places, even those in SS. They would all gang up against us and share our investment and property again. Our disputed border communities between Ebonyi and Benue, Ebonyi and Cross River, Oyigbo and Ogoni, Aguleri and Igala, etc would all be ceded to those non Igbo groups after our defeat.
We need better strategy. A synergistic combination of Ojukwu and Zik methods.
ie a Zik method with Biafra and seccession (Ojukwu) as it's end product, and not geared towards integration into Nigeria, like Zik was myopically pushing.
We need to get our pro secession groups leading our politics, locally and federally. Catalonia have managed to get to that level.
In all things, we must avoid War, at least for now, which is why I commend IPOB non violence agenda. We need time to implement Aku luo uno, in order to limit our potential loss in case we leave Nigeria, and we stand to lose alot, in war, seeing as we have not a single ally in Nigeria. We basically need patience.

I really appreciate the fact that you guys are talking about escalating the talks on this forum from the real of mere rhetorics to a set of organized actions; but to what end? What would be the end result of these efforts?


For me, I think that engaging ndigbo publicly and blatantly with a pan-igbo messaging of any sort would be massively redundant and ineffective at this time and in the midterm.

First, there's a need to understand that the foundation of this country is inherently flawed.

Apart from the fact that there is no other massively self-contradictory country like Nigeria in the world, the contraption was intentionally designed for exclusiveness and extraction to the detriment of the collective. The only difference between what's now and what was in the 20th century is that our elites and the political class are now the internal oppressive and exploitative colonists. And the foundational contradictions are designed to divide the collective so they cannot unite against their oppressors. In fact, the entire system of political governance in this country is nothing but a reward system for the loyal elites. The implication is a vicious circle of distrust, hate and endless corruption but with a unified elite league.

So, in the final analysis, the contraption has a date with destiny. And the odds ate that it will not be funny. The future is bleak. This, in my opinion, means that the concept of "Aku ruo uno" is not the correct clarion call at this phase because na onye uno ya na agba oku anaghi achu nta oke. For this reason, our people should be covertly encouraged and incentivised to start consolidating their investments in safer and mosre stable/sustsinable climes outside this contraption - including the SE. The future game would be to move outside in; not inside out.

To me, again, the call for pan-igbo public sensitization campaign is unnecessary, unsustainable and ineffective. What we need now is a massive, BUT HIGHLY DISCREET institutionalized, multi-faceted global coalition for a rapid growth and sustainable development of our people and region. This initiative should be driven by the diaspora with very robust and strong institutional fronts in the following five critical areas.

1) Finance and Industry

2) Cultural Synergy

3) Compulsory Basic Education

4) Human Capital Development

5) Regional Infrastructure


FINANCE AND INDUSTRY

This is the alpha move. Everything else can only follow after this two-in-one combo is done. To put it mildly, we need a global bank linked to a national bank linked to a regional bank linked to a network of vibrant microfinance banks. These dynamo of interconnected banks will provide the incentives, funding and all the needed financial services fireworks needed to design, develop and drive our industries and the other four strategic efforts. They should interface between our regional government and global network/population.

Talking about industry, our people's inherent muse for commerce should be deliberately harnessed, organized and escalated into a multi-faceted export-centric manufacturing driven by science and tech. We have a massive diaspora population, we need to deliberately and institutionally put it to good use. In fact, the west - especially the US - has some amazingly favorable trade policies for Africa which is rarely being utilized now due to lack of capacity. The banks should direct SME investments or divestments with clear incentives.


The history of Hong Kong's economic rise is case study here. https://eh.net/encyclopedia/economic-history-of-hong-kong/

You may also want to see the documentary of called "The Entrepreneurs Who Built America".


CULTURAL SYNERGY

With apology to Pazienza, I insist that the future demands a deliberate institutionalisation of cultural synergy among the present day Anioma and the entire jurisdiction of the Old Eastern Nigeria. This is beyond ohaneze ndigbo (and all such ethnic cultural organizations). I'm talking about deliberate effort on regional cultural synergy across board funded by major institutions and driven by the academia. This cultural unification alone can do wonders for us even in the present scheme of things.


REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE

Speed rails should inter-connect the entire regions at varying levels both on land and to the sea. There should also be regional interstate roads, airways and waterways as well as a proliferation of power plants - just to name a few.

HUMAN CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT

Emphasis should be placed on science and technology. There should be innovation incubators and actual efforts to use tech to take our regional products global. Of course, that's without abandoning the usual under-appreciated local championship.

COMPULSORY BASIC EDUCATION

In a nutshell, education should be compulsory (subsidized or free) for all children until the age of 16.

CONCLUSION

Of course there'd be need to evaluate the political and legal side of things, but those are bridges that we can easily cross if we have the will. Fact is, rhetorics and exhibitionism are not going to cut it for us in this country anymore. We need a badass, macro-level global movement to trigger our redemption.

Funnicator:


I am in for the radio station.

But instead of campaigning for biafra.

It will be the sensitization and enlightening of the Igbos who still believe in us developing ourselves within the contraption called Nigeria.

When we sensitize them and educate them on the policies best for igbo land. They wake up from their ignorance and become able to hold their HoA representatives, LGA chairman and governors more accountable.

In few years,it will gain more followers from Igboist and other Igbo online forums.

Before you know it. We have the attention of the respective governors. Elective positions will be held to and constitution drafted.

Any presenter who becomes compromised by politicians can be replaced and sacked from the organisation.

I'm in. Anything for my fatherland Alaigbo.

THIS THREAD SHOULD JUST BE RE-NAMED TO "FANS OF IPOB, SECESSION SUPPORTERS AND LOVERS OF NK"

Because it appears members here are leftists and more sympathetic to the Biafra cause than to the well-being of an Igbo man in the Nigeria geographical map.

This is sad and a pointer that this thread has digressed far away from the ideals for which it was originally intended for.

At this point; I dare say I miss Zik.

Funnicator:
THIS THREAD SHOULD JUST BE RE-NAMED TO "FANS OF IPOB, SECESSION SUPPORTERS AND LOVERS OF NK"

Because it appears members here are leftists and more sympathetic to the Biafra cause than to the well-being of an Igbo man in the Nigeria geographical map.

This is sad and a pointer that this thread has digressed far away from the ideals for which it was originally intended for.

At this point; I dare say I miss Zik.

Nwanne, Zik method failed us. We should be grateful for all he did go us, but we should realize that If Zik methods worked, there wouldn't have been 1966 IGBO massacre.
Any Pan Igbo plan, that doesn't have extraction of Alaigbo from Nigeria as it's ultimate long term agenda , in my humble opinion, is a shortsighted One.

We should get involved in Nigerian politics, we should pursue Aku luo uno to logical conclusion, but all these should be all geared towards establishment of independent Alaigbo.

CULTURAL SYNERGY

With apology to Pazienza, I insist that the future demands a deliberate institutionalisation of cultural synergy among the present day Anioma and the entire jurisdiction of the Old Eastern Nigeria. This is beyond ohaneze ndigbo (and all such ethnic cultural organizations). I'm talking about deliberate effort on regional cultural synergy across board funded by major institutions and driven by the academia. This cultural unification alone can do wonders for us even in the present scheme of things.

Nwanne , I have no problem with the above, if you can tell me more in detail, how you intend going about it.

Have taken time to study those groups individually and closely?

pazienza:


Nwanne, Zik method failed us. We should be grateful for all he did go us, but we should realize that If Zik methods worked, there wouldn't have been 1966 IGBO massacre.
Any Pan Igbo plan, that doesn't have extraction of Alaigbo from Nigeria as it's ultimate long term agenda , in my humble opinion, is a shortsighted One.
[b]
We should get involved in Nigerian politics, [/b]we should pursue Aku luo uno to logical conclusion, but all these should be all geared towards establishment of independent Alaigbo.

Preach this to the IPOB supporters.

On the other hand, Igbo under Zik's tactical and pragmatic leadership placed the Eastern region on a very high pedestal and economic development.

If there had been no coup in our history. I reserve full confidence that proceedings from oil revenues would have been used judiciously,alongside our revenues from palm oil sales, to create a country inside another country by the Zik-led government.

We can see they were on the right track in terms of economic development according to all indices of government records. I have no doubt he would have fared much better after the introduction of oil bearing in mind the regions controlled the resources.

The programs of the 1960s were no fault of Zik's.

You can blame Ifeajuna and his gang of poor coup executors. Was that how the historical coups that had existed before theirs, were carried out?

If they had done a neat job, the programs would have been prevented. And if Ironsi never seized power, but instead transferred power to Balewa's 2nd in rank, which was constitutionally right, ethnic distrust may not have reached the peak level.

At this point, Zik's influence had started to wane as most of his supporters were already accusing him of hobnobbing with his cousin, Ifeajuna and being tipped off in order to escape the approaching onslaught.

I am trying to vindicate Zik here. He was a very courageous and tactical leader unlike Kanu. Using his political capacity, Zik projected our region in the path of glory and ensured the igbo nation was the centre of Nigerian politics.

After his removal. What has become of the igbo man in national politics?

Ekwueme got so close to returning us into national politics in 1999 by being the PDP Presidential candidate at the Jos convention but his sagacity is incomparable to those of Zik so he got outclassed.

Zik was a true leader, the programs were never his fault, I have identified people who share those blames.

If Kanu was half as smart as Zik who pursued the colonialists out of Nigeria using pragmatic means, believe me he would have the respect and recognition of foreign leaders by now .

Plus mine too.

pazienza:
Obi1kenobi

You don't command unshakable loyalty of Igbo grassroots like NK have, without power of persuasion.
IPOB have pretty much mapped out their strategy and stuck by it, whether it will work, will only be proved by time . Moreover comparing IPOB with Brexit, is abit out of place. A better comparision will be Catalonia and Spain, Scotland and Britain, Basque and Spain.

On the bold, in other news, the grass is green. Ofcourse, it isnt hard to spot.

I wonder why and how someone who is already biased towards Seccesion be able to be open minded towards those with secession plans? Isn't this contradictory coming from you?
Your opinion about NK doesn't change the fact that he is probably the most powerful man in Igboland today. He controls Millions without paying them a dime. Your opinions about him doesn't seem that relevant in the larger scheme of things. You accuse him of us using unguared insults on others, yet you yourself have proven to be no better than him, as you had continuously used uncouth words and expletives to describe him and all he stands for. Maybe it's time you looked at the mirror, before taliking about NK.

Through persuasion and cogent arguments or experience. The same way I was a Buhari supporter in 2015 to get GEJ's rotten, clueless, weak administration out of power, and now I would vote my dog over Buhari if it meant him leaving. If IPOB offers something of substance other than raving about the "zoo", I'm always open for persuasion. As long as ranting about the "zoo" and calling for election boycotts of the zoo is all they have to offer, and as long as they keep doing irritating nonsense like flying around Israel flags and peddling junk, Jewish myths, and as long as they remain intolerant of opposing views and intolerant of other Nigerians, then they seem little more than a cult of Kanu to me.

Yes, I insult him because he has done more than enough to earn it with his rhetoric. The reason I insult him in the first place is that insults are his modus operandi.

So, all you are going to do is rant on and offline against those who saw a problem and decided to do something about it, using their own methods. You have no guts to act on the problem, you are only interested in ranting against those trying out their own solutions.
Well, now you know, the world follow those who act. If you are only going to rant, then rant on. Just know that your opinions wouldn't count in the end.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm going to do. That is why I'm on an internet forum instead of forming my political party. Because I don't care to participate in politics. Suggesting that public figures should be somehow immune to criticism if you're not leading some kind of revolution is some pretty strange rationale. It's like admonishing me for criticizing Buhari's government just because I am not running for office against Buhari. By that rationale, 99.99% of Nigerians have no right to discuss politics or criticize sleazy politicians.

Well, well, why not allow this Mr Providence get you into position to nullify NK, before you can start talking?
He made sacrifices. Freedom fighting is no easy feat, he was more than aware of the fact that he would suffer at some point, and he did suffer. If he were out for money, I'm sure Nigeria would have paid him off while in prison to betray the struggle like they did to Uwazuruike, but he stuck to his mission and refused to be paid off.
If you think this is about money, then you probably are yet to give up on your Nigerian mentality. Men like NK, it isn't about money for them. Ask those Igbo politicians that tried to use money and promises to make NK Back down and retire to riches like Uwazuruike did, but the young man turned them all down.
There is a reason he commands the respect of the grassroots. They know that he is incorruptible. He had proven it, until this last broadcast, which I'm suspicious of.
Funny enough, IPOB are on ground all over the world doing their thing, while people like you are the ones content with internet ranting.

You mean like when Nnamdi Kanu claimed he was offered Biafra but he rejected it because he wanted Rivers and Benue? That is why I call the guy a charlatan. And there is no evidence Uwazuruike was bribed any more than Kanu. For starters, Obasanjo would have been far more likely to engage Uwazuruike than Buhari with Kanu. Buhari is far more disdainful of those he perceives as enemies and would consider it lowering himself to engage Kanu. And that is even ignoring the avalanche of insults Kanu has directed at Buhari and Fulanis and Muslims in the past. I don't believe for a second Kanu had any chance of getting anything from the Federal Government. The only people who might have any notions of bribing him would be SE politicians. Everything about Kanu's narcissism (like the disgraceful pictures of people kissing his feet and genuflecting before him) indicates he is susceptible to the corruptions that power brings.

This is Zik approach that already failed. The country is too Igbophobic for Ndiigbo to truly achieve True integration. We can't be repeating yesterday mistakes today, even with benefit of hindsight.

This is Ojukwu solution. It will fail again if tried.
We have no allies. Every Nigerian groups are eyeing Igbo property in their places, even those in SS. They would all gang up against us and share our investment and property again. Our disputed border communities between Ebonyi and Benue, Ebonyi and Cross River, Oyigbo and Ogoni, Aguleri and Igala, etc would all be ceded to those non groups after our defeat.
We need better strategy. A synergistic combination of Ojukwu and Zik methods.
ie a Zik method with Biafra and seccession (Ojukwu) as it's end product, and not geared towards integration into Nigeria, like Zik was myopically pushing.
We need to get our pro secession groups leading our politics, locally and federally. Catalonia have managed to get to that level.
In all things, we must avoid War, at least for now, which is why I commend IPOB non violence agenda. We need time to implement Aku luo uno, in order to limit our potential loss in case we leave Nigeria, and we stand to lose alot, in war, seeing as we have not a single ally in Nigeria. We basically need patience.

And extreme cynicism like that is why such an integration will always be a struggle. Tutsis, a minority, were massacred in Rwanda almost 25 years after the Nigerian civil war. A Tutsi today is a highly popular Rwandan President (despite his autocratic tendencies) that Rwandans wish could be their President for life. An Igbo man is even an Italian minister on the platform of an anti-immigrant party with ties to racist groups. If you're claiming Nigerians are too Igbophobic, then you're saying all Nigerians are irrationally hateful people that are irredeemable. I don't buy that for a second. Nigerians are all bigots. This doesn't mean we can't work together if we can converse. Igbos have failed in Nigerian politics because we have made a number of miscalculations, have also been unlucky and our politicians recently have frankly not been of the quality of the Zik or Ekwueme days. Not to mention the times that Buhari picked Igbo vices and Igbos completely rejected him with humiliating defeats and we always went like sheep for PDP. Why couldn't Igbos vote for a Buhari-Okadigbo ticket, for xample. Or the time that Ojukwu could barely get votes when he contested.
If Igbos had worked for a party like APC for example, rather than constituting bloc opposition to APC, I believe Buhari at his word that he would have handed over to an Igbo man. Buhari is many things, but I believe he has personal honesty and integrity and would have handed over to an Igbo if Igbos didn't constitute by far his most vociferous political opposition. I'm not saying this opposition is right or wrong. I'm pointing out that without that opposition, Igbos would be in a far stronger political position rather having all our eggs now in the PDP basket.

It's wrong to make it out that everyone is all against you. You're attributing fundamental evil to other Nigerians and ascribing fundamental goodness to Igbos. The reality is Igbos give every bit as much hate as they get and keep the hate cycle flowing. If you make the blame entirely one-sided, then there is no hope for reconciliation.

The 2nd emboldened is about all we agree on. If IPOB are to be taken seriously other than endlessly breeding resentment and raving about the "zoo", then the pathway to be followed is clear. Follow the political process and elect sympathetic representatives to represent your interests. Calling for election boycotts in manifestly stewpid. I just can't get over that idiocy.

[quote author=murphyibiam15 post=72410046]
[s]exactly, so that igbos will have strongholds in both big parties[[/s]/quote]

U can cast ur vote for apc as umahi has already decided but don't deceive other's.


why is it that it. That it is only ebonyi state that is always supporting such nonsense

Pls u guys are not igbos....no right thinking igbo man will spew this nonsense.

Funnicator:


Shut up.

Obi1kenobi, pazienza, cjrane and curlieweed are intelligent contributors to this platform.

Their ideas are articulated and smartly put.

Ndiigbo should start courting middle belt and ss alongside tambuwal and kwankwaso in pursuit of 2023.

With the option to pick Tambuwal as vice.

Because it will be a shame on us should Yoruba do 8 year presidency bid, 8 year VP and another 4 year Presidency before the SE.

We go kukuma become 4th majority tribe while the ijaws replace us since they have had a shot at the presidency.

This is an igbo thread.

It is not meant for. Scavengers

achi4u:
mtcheeeeew!!!
You guys and this childish post.
We the Ebonyians don't have time for anybody who don't have time for us.
Is this too hard to understand?

Then tell umahi and your brothers to commot eye from anambra state.

Ebonyi. Has. Closer ties to benue, cross river etc

Why are they always throwing shots at anambra

Xander85:


[s]Hehehehehe

Globemoney don vex be dat!

There are some peeps here i believe are not Igbo, or are Igbo but are grade-1 efulefus in the mould of Igbokwe and Orji Uzor Kalu! I've stopped reading their posts as well!

It's ok to disagree with Mazi Kanu approach (i disagree with his stand on one or two issues), but when you start using the kind of abusive language on him that Igbo haters normally use then you cross a red line! That man Kanu has put his life on the line by coming back to Nigeria to stare the Pharaoh in the face eyeball-to-eyeball all in a bid to free his people from the curse that is 'one Nigeria', and if anyone feels he's not doing it the right way then they should be just as brave by stepping away from their computer, coming out in the open and declaring their own stand on the issues affecting us as a people!

The self-centred approach of playing useless Nigerian politics that we've all been 'playing' since 1970 and which has got us nowhere, (except being cheated by the other two major ethnic groups) while our contemporaries like Singapore, UAE, Malaysia and even little Rwanda are showing us a clean pair of heels and leaving us for dust while making giant strides in economic development.....such an unworkable approach needs to either be overhauled or totally abandoned altogether[/s]!

For christ sake, this is an igbo thread, why is it hard 4 u guys to grab and leave thread in peace.

Why not create Niger delta political and economic forum....??

I have always known my fellow Igbos as men of very high intellect. Their views are the best for a long time. We should forgive the system and come out in very large numbers and vote PDP because our interest will be protected best there. We all campaigned for NK during his trial days but we must give our block votes to PDP,
at least 5 million votes from south east states,
another 6 million votes from south south states
Our brothers living in Lagos and the West will pull in at least 2 million votes
Our brothers in the north 2 million votes
Xtians of yoruba land 1.5m
Xtian in North and north central will give at least 4 million

20.5 milion votes and Peter Obi will be sitting with Atiku in Aso villa.

Funnicator:
THIS THREAD SHOULD JUST BE RE-NAMED TO "FANS OF IPOB, SECESSION SUPPORTERS AND LOVERS OF NK"

Because it appears members here are leftists and more sympathetic to the Biafra cause than to the well-being of an Igbo man in the Nigeria geographical map.

This is sad and a pointer that this thread has digressed far away from the ideals for which it was originally intended for.

At this point; I dare say I miss Zik.

This thread was created for Ndigbo by Onye Igbo to discuss about Igboland whether in Nigeria or as an independent nation. Shove your nonsense one Nigeria up your nose.

Sprumbabafather:
I have always known my fellow Igbos as men of very high intellect. Their views are the best for a long time. We should forgive the system and come out in very large numbers and vote PDP because our interest will be protected best there. We all campaigned for NK during his trial days but we must give our block votes to PDP,
at least 5 million votes from south east states,
another 6 million votes from south south states
Our brothers living in Lagos and the West will pull in at least 2 million votes
Our brothers in the north 2 million votes
Xtians of yoruba land 1.5m
Xtian in North and north central will give at least 4 million

20.5 milion votes and Peter Obi will be sitting with Atiku in Aso villa.

lol. 20.5million votes for #AtikuObituary?
I'm advising Fashola to fix the federal road that leads from Abuja to Adamawa, Abuja to Onitsha because, two candidates would be sent home come 2019 after losing with a wide margin.
Election rigging + IPOB members = loss for #AtikuObituary

nnamdijonathan:


lol. 20.5million votes for #AtikuObituary?
I'm advising Fashola to fix the federal road that leads from Abuja to Adamawa, Abuja to Onitsha because, two candidates would be sent home come 2019 after losing with a wide margin.
Election rigging + IPOB members = loss for #AtikuObituary

We are voting for Atiku and Obi in PDP , there's nothing anyone can do about it. Outgoing president Buharri and Yah a ya bello has seen the handwriting on the wall, look at the nearest wall to you now.

nnamdijonathan:


This thread was created for Ndigbo by Onye Igbo to discuss about Igboland whether in Nigeria or as an independent nation. Shove your nonsense one Nigeria up your nose.

Egzactly, and all of us igbos support Obi and Akiku in PDP. Full stop.

Sprumbabafather:

Egzactly, and all of us igbos support Obi and Akiku in PDP. Full stop.

OK. 2019 is already near, we shall see the end result.

nnamdijonathan:


OK. 2019 is already near, we shall see the end result.

The end result will be Obi and Akiku in Aso villa as leaders. Are you crying about the possibility that Peter Obi will insist on the second Niger Bridge which will develope Delta state?

Juliusmalema:

Then tell umahi and your brothers to commot eye from anambra state.
Ebonyi. Has. Closer ties to benue, cross river etc
Why are they always throwing shots at anambra

Ekwensu kpo gi oku

Obi1kenobi:


Through persuasion and cogent arguments or experience. The same way I was a Buhari supporter in 2015 to get GEJ's rotten, clueless, weak administration out of power, and now I would vote my dog over Buhari if it meant him leaving. If IPOB offers something of substance other than raving about the "zoo", I'm always open for persuasion. As long as ranting about the "zoo" and calling for election boycotts of the zoo is all they have to offer, and as long as they keep doing irritating nonsense like flying around Israel flags and peddling junk, Jewish myths, and as long as they remain intolerant of opposing views and intolerant of other Nigerians, then they seem little more than a cult of Kanu to me.

Yes, I insult him because he has done more than enough to earn it with his rhetoric. The reason I insult him in the first place is that insults are his modus operandi.



Yes, that is exactly what I'm going to do. That is why I'm on an internet forum instead of forming my political party. Because I don't care to participate in politics. Suggesting that public figures should be somehow immune to criticism if you're not leading some kind of revolution is some pretty strange rationale. It's like admonishing me for criticizing Buhari's government just because I am not running for office against Buhari. By that rationale, 99.99% of Nigerians have no right to discuss politics or criticize sleazy politicians.



You mean like when Nnamdi Kanu claimed he was offered Biafra but he rejected it because he wanted Rivers and Benue? That is why I call the guy a charlatan. And there is no evidence Uwazuruike was bribed any more than Kanu. For starters, Obasanjo would have been far more likely to engage Uwazuruike than Buhari with Kanu. Buhari is far more disdainful of those he perceives as enemies and would consider it lowering himself to engage Kanu. And that is even ignoring the avalanche of insults Kanu has directed at Buhari and Fulanis and Muslims in the past. I don't believe for a second Kanu had any chance of getting anything from the Federal Government. The only people who might have any notions of bribing him would be SE politicians. Everything about Kanu's narcissism (like the disgraceful pictures of people kissing his feet and genuflecting before him) indicates he is susceptible to the corruptions that power brings.



And extreme cynicism like that is why such an integration will always be a struggle. Tutsis, a minority, were massacred in Rwanda almost 25 years after the Nigerian civil war. A Tutsi today is a highly popular Rwandan President (despite his autocratic tendencies) that Rwandans wish could be their President for life. An Igbo man is even an Italian minister on the platform of an anti-immigrant party with ties to racist groups. If you're claiming Nigerians are too Igbophobic, then you're saying all Nigerians are irrationally hateful people that are irredeemable. I don't buy that for a second. Nigerians are all bigots. This doesn't mean we can't work together if we can converse. Igbos have failed in Nigerian politics because we have made a number of miscalculations, have also been unlucky and our politicians recently have frankly not been of the quality of the Zik or Ekwueme days. Not to mention the times that Buhari picked Igbo vices and Igbos completely rejected him with humiliating defeats and we always went like sheep for PDP. Why couldn't Igbos vote for a Buhari-Okadigbo ticket, for xample. Or the time that Ojukwu could barely get votes when he contested.
If Igbos had worked for a party like APC for example, rather than constituting bloc opposition to APC, I believe Buhari at his word that he would have handed over to an Igbo man. Buhari is many things, but I believe he has personal honesty and integrity and would have handed over to an Igbo if Igbos didn't constitute by far his most vociferous political opposition. I'm not saying this opposition is right or wrong. I'm pointing out that without that opposition, Igbos would be in a far stronger political position rather having all our eggs now in the PDP basket.

It's wrong to make it out that everyone is all against you. You're attributing fundamental evil to other Nigerians and ascribing fundamental goodness to Igbos. The reality is Igbos give every bit as much hate as they get and keep the hate cycle flowing. If you make the blame entirely one-sided, then there is no hope for reconciliation.

The 2nd emboldened is about all we agree on. If IPOB are to be taken seriously other than endlessly breeding resentment and raving about the "zoo", then the pathway to be followed is clear. Follow the political process and elect sympathetic representatives to represent your interests. Calling for election boycotts in manifestly stewpid. I just can't get over that idiocy.

As usual, a lengthy piece of biase and trash.

You armchair criticism can only end in naira land.

NK had tackled not only non-igbos but all igbos themselves. Nigeria reeks of corruption and NK's response suits sucj a failed entity.He wants a referendum first before embarking on the journey to Biafra.

You subtly infused your 'anambra narcissist complex' by glorifying zik and ekwueme without crediting the works of okpara, mbadiwe, ibiam, wachuku, etc. And as usual, you demonized ironsi and was lenient with ojukwu. I don't blame you anyway, nairaland has allowed your likes to fester on this forum.

superlightning:


As usual, a lengthy piece of biase and trash.

You armchair criticism can only end in naira land.

NK had tackled not only non-igbos but all igbos themselves. Nigeria reeks of corruption and NK's response suits sucj a failed entity.He wants a referendum first before embarking on the journey to Biafra.

You subtly infused your 'anambra narcissist complex' by glorifying zik and ekwueme without crediting the works of okpara, mbadiwe, ibiam, wachuku, etc. And as usual, you demonized ironsi and was lenient with ojukwu. I don't blame you anyway, nairaland has allowed your likes to fester on this forum.

That's an afonja for you. Always looking for ways to cause disaffection. You're also sounding like an afonja too?

achi4u:
Ekwensu kpo gi oku

Nobody has monopoly to curses

U resort to curses instead of putting to action my viable suggestion.

This is for those saying they want to play “Nigerian politics” under the mistaken belief that Nigeria has an infinite life span.

In the biggest collective demonstration of demand for electric vehicles to date 26 states, cities, regions and businesses today simultaneously announced 100% zero emission vehicle targets.

The initiatives, developed and run by The Climate Group and C40 Cities, range from taking business fleets and employee benefit cars electric by 2030, to cities procuring only electric buses from 2025.

Zero emission areas in cities are also set to become a global phenomenon as 12 more cities confirm their commitment, including the Asian megacities of Tokyo and Seoul.

Collectively the targets, these governments and businesses are signing up to, will vastly increase the number of zero emission vehicles on the road, bringing the numbers up towards the levels necessary by 2030 to deliver on the ambition of the Paris Agreement.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.fleetnews.co.uk/amp/news/environment/2018/09/13/100-zero-emission-targets-announced

Can anyone hazard a guess about what would become of Nigeria in a permanent $10-15/Barrel world combined with our already high debt repayment ratios?

What about increasing conflicts in the North and Mid-Belt driven by increasing desertification Ian’s climate change?

Anyone that thinks that this country is going to last for ever needs to wake up and fast.

as usual obinkeobi didnt disappoint,he lives in my mind.

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I told u severally that I don't roll in the mud with a dirty pig for that matter, and I don't argue with products of #50 leaked condom

murphyibiam15:



I told u severally that I don't roll in the mud with a dirty pig for that matter, and I don't argue with products of #50 leaked condom

Please this is an igbo thread, allow igbos to put heads together and sort their Issues out


Strangers are not needed here.

U can create pan ebonyi political and economic. Forum or. North central economic forum.

For christ sake what makes. Ebonyians igbos....i don't understand, these guys don't have anything related to igbo origin, culture and language.

Let tell. Ourselves the truth and tell these guys whom they instead of sugar coating issues and allowing them live in ignorance.

Ebonyi is more of north central ( middle belt) than been called igbos.

Truth pains.

For christ sake what makes. Ebonyians igbos....i don't understand, these guys don't have anything related to igbo origin, culture and language.

Let tell. Ourselves the truth and tell these guys whom they instead of sugar coating issues and allowing them live in ignorance.

Ebonyi is more of north central ( middle belt) than been called igbos.

Truth pains.

Ebonyi should know how to relate with benue, cross rivers, plateau, nasarrawa instead of fighting them.

They should channel a course to understanding and live in peace with their brothers.


Let's call a spade a spade not a guarding fork.

Juliusmalema:


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I told u severally that I don't roll in the mud with a dirty pig for that matter, and I don't argue with products of #50 leaked condom

murphyibiam15:

I told u severally that I don't roll in the mud with a dirty pig for that matter, and I don't argue with products of #50 leaked condom

Stop clearing my post if u not scared of them.

Make peace with ur brothers in benue state.

Curlieweed:
This is for those saying they want to play “Nigerian politics” under the mistaken belief that Nigeria has an infinite life span.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.fleetnews.co.uk/amp/news/environment/2018/09/13/100-zero-emission-targets-announced

Can anyone hazard a guess about what would become of Nigeria in a permanent $10-15/Barrel world combined with our already high debt repayment ratios?

What about increasing conflicts in the North and Mid-Belt driven by increasing desertification Ian’s climate change?

Anyone that thinks that this country is going to last for ever needs to wake up and fast.

That’s the best news ever.