BruncleZuma:


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9jvirgin:
President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO," a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.

When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."

"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end." "It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."

The president expressed surprise that "Axios on HBO" knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "

Behind the scenes: "Axios on HBO" had been working for weeks on a story on Trump’s plans for birthright citizenship, based on conversations with several sources, including one close to the White House Counsel’s office.

The legal challenges would force the courts to decide on a constitutional debate over the 14th Amendment, which says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Be smart: Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president's power to change birthright citizenship, former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services chief counsel Lynden Melmed tells Axios.

But some conservatives have argued that the 14th Amendment was only intended to provide citizenship to children born in the U.S. to lawful permanent residents — not to unauthorized immigrants or those on temporary visas. John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. 

He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. — green card holders and citizens.

Michael Anton, a former national security official in the Trump administration, recently took up this argument in the Washington Post.

Anton said that Trump could, via executive order, "specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens" simply because they were born on U.S. soil. (It’s not yet clear whether Trump will take this maximalist argument, though his previous rhetoric suggests there’s a good chance.)

But others — such as Judge James C. Ho, who was appointed by Trump to Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans — say the line in the amendment refers to the legal obligation to follow U.S. laws, which applies to all foreign visitors (except diplomats) and immigrants. 

He has written that changing how the 14th Amendment is applied would be "unconstitutional."

https://www.africansinus.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=379

14th amendment of US constitution cannot be strike out/down by ordinary executive order, not even the house or senate can do something about it so fast. He is saying this based on advice given to him by his hungry racist lawyers. Also plan to encourage his based to come and vote next week and send fear to immigrant communities. kolewek!

justiwise:


E pain you?

yes ooo yes

Richdad50,should read this post.

Iamgrey5:
Fox news is rightist propaganda machine. Fox news attacked Obama through out his presidency.


if you want a genuine view of what is going on in the world watch BBC


And Trump loves white America, not all Americans

He called neo-nazi groups "good people"


by the way, if this law had been in place before now, Trump and Obama wouldn't be Americans.

Now where’s that deek head dude called Machokid get ready ur ugly ass is gon get deported soon

So what happens to those already given birth to over there, will their citizenship be repealed?

He can make all the executive laws that he wants to make the ruin of America is still gonna be on him there's nothing he can do to avert it, he can't fight prophecies, he's a president not a king, in other words he doesn't have absolute power.

If I read well, his aim is to stop visitors and illegal immigrants from giving birth to citizens. Legal immigrants will still give birth to US citizens .

I think this is good move for Nigeria. It is because of this cheap access to the US citizenship that our healthcare is in a mess. If the likes of Buhari and other politicians including celebs and rich Nigerians do not have access to developed countries to take advantage of, by now they would have fixed Nigeria healthcare and other sectors

Martinez19:
Are you mentally retarded? Read what you wrote. So being black and stealing money means no white man should call you a thief lest he be termed racist? So if Trump calls James Ibori a thief and rogue then it means he is racist and hates black people?

Who are these 'Neo Nazi' people? Name them?

Look at the dimwit I was trying to reason with!

Is James Ibori a politician in America?

By the way, Mr self styled cretin, you can't accuse a person of stealing until he has been convicted of such crime, James has been convicted

It is racism when the president of the free world goes on national television to paint a certain candidate in such a manner.



Moving on, so you have no idea of people called Neo Nazis.

Perhaps you never heard of certain white nationalist movement who basically carry Antisemitic and ultra racist views such as supporting the continuation of slave trade, Anti Jewish stance amongst other ultra racist stance.


Mr Trump actually supported them by calling them "good people "

Yoighaman:
So what happens to those already given birth to over there, will their citizenship be repealed?

Nothing, they already have their US birth certs and nothing will also happen to those about to be born in US, Dont be discouraged. Very difficult to change laws in US. Ordinary obamacare he couldnt change, he now wants to change a law of over 1 century

LadyHal1:
Citizenship by birth is one of the ways of becoming a citizen of whatever nations....He should focus on illegal immigrants

Yes but isn't it ridiculous, just because you want to earn the country's citizenship, from nowhere you became pregnant in your country and you just start heading to US on the week of parturition. What have you done for the country, what have you contributed to the country? But people just want to go and give birth there so their kids will benefit from being called a citizen of other country.

Truly his decision is in order, you have to earn it as a person before you can have a child to become citizen. And not just flying to another man's country for the sole purpose of putting to bed. Trump's action is equal to putting the country's interest first at heart.

Maybe one prostitute from nowhere becomes pregnant, next because she has flight ticket fair from her oshofree business, she is immediately headed to US to give birth, does that really make economic sense to country of reputes allowing such?

Earn it and you will be allowed to become their citizens. And I believe the decision will not be applicable to all, but to those types that only travel to the States for the sole purpose of childbirth and earning citizenship

temmytanny:


14th amendment of US constitution cannot be strike out/down by ordinary executive order, not even the house or senate can do something about it so fast. He is saying this based on advice given to him by his hungry racist lawyers. Also plan to encourage his based to come and vote next week and send fear to immigrant communities. kolewek!

You have just stated the simple truth.

I really support Trump on this one. It's a big cheat how people come to America give birth and get automatic citizenship. This is America for Christ sake. Come here and see how Mexicans who are unauthorized just wall and come here to have babies. I have argued with some people here that how does immigration make those kids citizens and their parents are illegal. But I still don't believe my friends. If you want my citizenship, earn it the right way by marriage or investment. Those come hard but try to earn it.

Mynd44:
Someone should please tell him he can't change the constitution with an executive order. He needs congress

Bros but that's actually the point.
I believe if he doesn't know, his handlers must have told him. He may be an idiot but many of his handlers are quite bright.

1) So first point of action I think he will do is to set the ball rolling by executive order.
2) All hell breaks loose and many go to court.
3) Courts can't decide so they throw it back to legislative
4) Gbam, 14 th amendment becomes shaky. Cos repubs have majority, it's changed.
5) Executive order becomes an act of legislature and law.

NB: It will take them minimum 18 months to accomplish. It's probably what they have wanted all along cos am sure they know they won't be voted back.

inoki247:
E good like dat To become an Americana by Birth is not an achievement no b dem talk say make ur govt embezzle money and not develop ur country...

And those that were embazzeling our money were doing so hopping that they'll give birth in america to avoid Nigeria they've messed up.

Mynd44:
Someone should please tell him he can't change the constitution with an executive order. He needs congress

With a willing congress (Republicans are the majority in both Senate and House, and might continue to be after the November elections), this can come to pass.
This is also a "call to vote" among his base, who want to see this happen.

Funny how the law was OK when it was a bunch of oyinbos from Europe coming over and giving birth... now immigration trends have changed, they feel it's time to change the law

The irony is that the vast majority of economic development in the USA - then and now - have come from immigrants, or from children of immigrants. The people that tend to have their children there spend a lot more money in the USA - only wealthy people from other countries can afford to fly, rent a place, and pay full hospital bills without subsidy/insurance/wellfare. The children of these people also tend to pay a lot for their education, and as citizens - are obligated to pay taxes on income earned anywhere. The US gov't actually benefits tremendously from these policies, though most citizens don't realize it.

This is yet another step in the direction that sees the erosion of USA clout in this century.

kingthreat:
Good one Trump. If you want a US citizenship, let them earn it. Not by giving birth in US, then because your child is a US citizen you can go to US later.

This is a utterly useless and heartless action.

It is one of the pillars of the United States. It is even more important now considering the anti-immigration policies that America is presently running.

Trumps hypocrisy is epic. He won't issue out an executive order against gun ownership despite the senseless mass killings but wants to ban childbirth citizenship. I laugh in trumpism

usagee36:
I really support Trump on this one. It's a big cheat how people come to America give birth and get automatic citizenship. This is America for Christ sake. Come here and see how Mexicans who are unauthorized just wall and come here to have babies. I have argued with some people here that how does immigration make those kids citizens and their parents are illegal. But I still don't believe my friends. If you want my citizenship, earn it the right way by marriage or investment. Those come hard but try to earn it.

bongolistik:
Yes but isn't it ridiculous, just because you want to earn the country's citizenship, from nowhere you became pregnant in your country and you just start heading to US on the week of parturition. What have you done for the country, what have you contributed to the country? But people just want to go and give birth there so their kids will benefit from being called a citizen of other country.

And those children - like most immigrants' - are trained to study hard, work hard, and be the best they can be. In the case of those parents who just visit and give birth, the child is raised in their parents' country, so the USA doesn't spend a dime on their education or health, nor does it even subsidize their birth costs. Furthermore, they tend to return to USA for college (which is not free). When they grow up, they typically work in highly-skilled positions, start innovative companies, use their connections to home country to the ultimate benefit of the US, and end up adding so much more value to the US economy. They provide employment, and pay more than their fare share of taxes per capita. No matter where they earn their income, they are obligated to remit up to 30% of that income as tax.

The US gov't knows very well the benefits of these policies, so it's not a one-way relationship that only benefits the parents.

nextstep:


And those children - like most immigrants' - are trained to study hard, work hard, and be the best they can be. When they grow up, they typically work in highly-skilled positions, start innovative companies, and end up adding so much more value to the US economy. They provide employment, and pay more than their fare share of taxes per capita.

Richdad50:
The most consequential President in the history of US after Abraham Lincoln.
When i hear of Trump, i see a man sold out totally for the future of his country. His love for his country overules the thirst for Liberalism and Globalism which has brought more damage to the world than good.
Show me one Leader in Nigeria who has done half of what Trumo has done in 2years.
See, the strenght of a country is dependent on the will power of its Leader. The physiological and psychological fragility of Buhari has fractured the economy and wellbeing of the country.
#Richdadnuggets

You missed the point. Buhari in my opinion is rather like trump in patriotism. I feel Nigerian politicians are more of the problem coloring every good intention as bad. Check the policy of non Nigerians working in Nigeria to be paid in Naira and in Nigerian bank as against the previous practice of paying expatriates in USD and crediting their off shore accounts. Politicians say the govt is discouraging foreign investment. Check Mtn repatriation saga, government is said to be discouraging investors.
There are fundamental rules to abide which enable a nation benefits from the presence of foreign businesses and individuals.
Any attempt to correct the subsisting anomalies is politicized.
If Trump was Nigeria's president, you will not believe the angle of criticism from numerous unpatriotic elements among Nigerian politicians.

Mynd44:
Someone should please tell him he can't change the constitution with an executive order. He needs congress

Go tell that to Obama with his 'pen and his phone' ok? Then do some research and find out just how much that man expanded the power of the executive because he was to arrogant/lazy to work with Republicans to pass laws through congress. Trump is just taking advantage of the precedent he set.

Hahaha speak what you know. Have you heard of the white privilege? Where do you live?

nextstep:


And those children - like most immigrants' - are trained to study hard, work hard, and be the best they can be. When they grow up, they typically work in highly-skilled positions, start innovative companies, and end up adding so much more value to the US economy. They provide employment, and pay more than their fare share of taxes per capita.

Richdad50:
Those who watch CNN are ot doing themselves any favour. Foxnews gives you solid view of trumps america and not the usual emotional rascality of Fakenews CNN

Same fox news that is carrying incorrect news and lies that people in the caravan have Small pox and other deadly diseases? A disease that has been eradicated since the 1970s?

If anything Fox news is headquarters of fake news.

Martinez19:
Trump loves all Americans be they black, white, brown etc. Obama was a failed president who lacked balls and integrity.

You mean the guy who paid for a full page ad for 4 black guys to be killed after DNA evidence has exonerated them from rape allegations?


Trump loves all Americans yet his Suits are made in Mexico and his "MAGA" hats are made in China.

Please explain how he loves all Americans.


PS: Trump and his wife are immigrants incase you didn't know that.

slyfoxxjoe:
Go tell that to Obama with his 'pen and his phone' ok? Then do some research and find out just how much that man expanded the power of the executive because he was to arrogant/lazy to work with Republicans to pass laws through congress. Trump is just taking advantage of the precedent he set.

lazy or Republicans blocked almost all his move to work with them. You know jack, man.

bongolistik:
Yes but isn't it ridiculous, just because you want to earn the country's citizenship, from nowhere you became pregnant in your country and you just start heading to US on the week of parturition. What have you done for the country, what have you contributed to the country? But people just want to go and give birth there so their kids will benefit from being called a citizen of other country.

Truly his decision is in order, you have to earn it as a person before you can have a child to become citizen. And not just flying to another man's country for the sole purpose of putting to bed. Trump's action is equal to putting the country's interest first at heart.

Maybe one prostitute from nowhere becomes pregnant, next because she has flight ticket fair from her oshofree business, she is immediately headed to US to give birth, does that really make economic sense to country of reputes allowing such?

Earn it and you will be allowed to become their citizens. And I believe the decision will not be applicable to all, but to those types that only travel to the States for the sole purpose of childbirth and earning citizenship

Your post makes perfect sense to me.

Silly bigot. Trust the ignorant dimwits on Nairaland to start singing his praise like faulty bots. Is Trump himself not a migrant? I hope Progressives take back the house on November 6th.

I don't like all about Trump but his policies on immigration is spot on. No country in the world, I repeat no country will allowed illegal immigrants to come into their countries and enjoy full benefits of citizenship. Even, our Nigerian nationals are also found of this attitude, if your wife is pregnant the next thing is organise visiting visa to have baby in USA just to claim citizenship. It is not fair and not just. It's like allowing NIgeriens and Malians come to Nigeria to have babies and claim citizenship. Let them come in legally as residents or have their babies in US and go back to your country after the delivery of the baby. Nonsense.

9jvirgin:
President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO," a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.

When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."

"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end." "It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."

The president expressed surprise that "Axios on HBO" knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "

Behind the scenes: "Axios on HBO" had been working for weeks on a story on Trump’s plans for birthright citizenship, based on conversations with several sources, including one close to the White House Counsel’s office.

The legal challenges would force the courts to decide on a constitutional debate over the 14th Amendment, which says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Be smart: Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president's power to change birthright citizenship, former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services chief counsel Lynden Melmed tells Axios.

But some conservatives have argued that the 14th Amendment was only intended to provide citizenship to children born in the U.S. to lawful permanent residents — not to unauthorized immigrants or those on temporary visas. John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. 

He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. — green card holders and citizens.

Michael Anton, a former national security official in the Trump administration, recently took up this argument in the Washington Post.

Anton said that Trump could, via executive order, "specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens" simply because they were born on U.S. soil. (It’s not yet clear whether Trump will take this maximalist argument, though his previous rhetoric suggests there’s a good chance.)

But others — such as Judge James C. Ho, who was appointed by Trump to Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans — say the line in the amendment refers to the legal obligation to follow U.S. laws, which applies to all foreign visitors (except diplomats) and immigrants. 

He has written that changing how the 14th Amendment is applied would be "unconstitutional."

https://www.africansinus.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=379

It's like this man is wearing a wig. ..I mean take a look at his hair. It's like a cap

usagee36:
I really support Trump on this one. It's a big cheat how people come to America give birth and get automatic citizenship. This is America for Christ sake. Come here and see how Mexicans who are unauthorized just wall and come here to have babies. I have argued with some people here that how does immigration make those kids citizens and their parents are illegal. But I still don't believe my friends. If you want my citizenship, earn it the right way by marriage or investment. Those come hard but try to earn it.

What's the difference between Citizenship by birth and marriage? Have you not seen Nigerian guys that marry old white women just to get papers?

What's the difference between that and getting a visitor's visa to giving birth in the US?


Most people here don't realize that unless that child stays in the US, the citizenship is a burden. I know folks who came back to Nigeria to work and are required by law to pay taxes in Nigeria and the US. After a while, they return because they end up owing so much in US taxes.

[quote author=AZeD1 post=72537266]
You mean the guy who paid for a full page ad for 4 black guys to be killed after DNA evidence has exonerated them from rape allegations?


Trump loves all Americans yet his Suits are made in Mexico and his "MAGA" hats are made in China.

Please explain how he loves all Americans.


PS: Trump and his wife are immigrants incase you didn't know that.[/quote

Most Nigerians are intellectually lazy and ignorant. Most will not research the most basic topic. Trump is gradually building a totalitarian state. This was how NAZI Germany started. I think the true genius here is Putin he is using Trump as a puppet to destroy America from within.

Yes, he should cancel it. Let everyone stay in their countries and be forced to develop and make them better. That way, migration would be on a basis of mutual respect.

Donald Trump is a mad dog