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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nedville: 2:27am On Oct 31, 2018 |
[quote author=komekn post=72551105] The claim of bad belle and negative prejudice towards Nigerian born players is simply nonsensical balderdash. Made by those who are the very thing they accuse others to be, “As a man thinketh so he is “ My approach gives no preferential treatment to a player because you were born in Nigeria. There is a universal standard that is used to judge all players irrespective of nationality that standard does not change because you are Nigerian. What you would like is for me to create a standard for Nigerian players born in Nigeria and birthed from our local leagues or academies. I am knowledge biased towards the UK if you want to call it that. I have in-depth participatory and experiential knowledge of the English football system. That knowledge and participation creates network and that network creates access. Which in turn gives me understanding from an English perspective of expectations, standards, etc English football is different than the continental style, its more physical, intense and a lot faster to some that means better, it’s a matter of preference. You do not assess a player with a Nigerian unit of measurement but an all-encompassing one. I have had to learn what we consider in Nigeria as exceptional attributes may amount to nothing in England. So doing rainbow flicks, nut megs and dancing on the ball may look very pleasing to the eye, in England, without end product that will amount to “TIME WAISTING” You mentioned three players you claim I have been very biased towards and show great undue HATRED to them. Namely Isaac Success, Osimhen and KC. So let’s analyse objectively without fear or favour. Not with emotive favoritism and preference not based on performance. This is Isaac Success’s third season in the EPL, he cost £12.5 million he was bought as a striker with great promise and expectation. Ages ago I started to get reports off the record through the network about him having an attitude problem and issues of gross indiscipline. Being an EPL player is an incredible privilege and opportunity. I don’t expect any one to need to be motivated and disciplined to meet the required standard. Then coming from Nigeria knowing our situations back home that should never happen my biased opinion. Here is a player arrives at Watford FC three years ago and is found to be unfit, then he has discipline issues then shockingly is found to be overweight. Add petrol to fire he then gets into a drunken fight with 4 prostitutes in a hotel and refuses to pay them. He is lucky the club can not afford to rip up his contract otherwise he would be gone. Now what would you call that a great return on your £12 million investment please tell me ![]() ![]() Osimhen was invited to the SE when he has done nothing he couldn’t get into the Wolfsburg team. Now in his third season in Europe he is now in lower league and team and he is doing good. But to reach the higher standards there is a very long way to go. His call up was never justified when you had far better proven players available. That’s a simple objective assessment. But some of you being emotive tagged him special talent on the basis of past youthful glories. I did not. And to date do not feel there is any justification for his inclusion. My objective opinion means hate to you. Finally, KC he was bought for £25 million as a striker and has never lived up to the billing we even had some of us putting him on par with Mbappe. I said ages ago the true test of his quality, will be when he leaves city and doesn’t have world class players around him. That test has come and quite honestly, he has failed to match the expectations. Second season and not more than 6 goals in the EPL. We have changed the goal posts so many times where he is concerned there is now no longer any goal post to change. KC is a very good player but currently and since he left city he simply has been a poor investment for £25 million. To whom much is given much is expected. If this is what you call hate, player bashing then there are too many caught up in a delusion that we have world class players. Its not hate but simple reality. What you want me to do is create a double standard, the team needs to change for him, or the manager is not being fair to him, Oh the fans are being biased, you need to appreciate his background its not easy for him, etc, etc I don't look at these players in isolation but in the context of general standards used to equate all players not just Nigerian players. These are expectations not created by me but the clubs. i can add i talk to players, ex-players, coaches, heads of recruitment, players agents often and then the odd Manager I know. What you are asking me to do is to look at Nigerian players differently from their peers that would be positive discrimination from the perspective of a Nigerian. But that is not being real but deceptive telling a player he is doing well when he is not. That is setting him up to fail by telling him lies , its deception. Anybody who compared iheanacho to mbappe is a desperate fellow and is living in denial Left to me, whether its the local bred lads plying their trade in Europe, or the solanke's, onomahs, ejarias...etc...they are all the same.....none are world beaters, none will pull up trees Komekn, I like the fact you defend solanke...its good....but I honestly don't see him playing for Nigeria at all...do you want to summon blood and thunder for someone who isn't really interested in Nigeria? Isn't that what this thread is for? Fikayo tomori and other UK or foreign born players have the edge due to exposure to better coaching...like instilling discipline or monitoring a players diet....we in Nigeria are not on that plane at all But in the end....to me...its about interest.....when you don't get the European country you wished to play for....will you be interested in playing for the other country? This is where I'll make a distinction between the group of balogun ekong and ebuehi...and the group of victor moses (yep, I said it) solanke, akpoguma torunarigha and the likes You may not have the talent....but if the desire/passion is there...you'll always play to your max, cuz you are happy doing it Bottom line is, I personally prefer the foreign players due to exposure and realistic age...but where the player doesn't care about donning the gwg...then we shouldn't bother about him/them 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nedville: 2:30am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Mistake... Accidentally posted twice...sorry |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 3:46am On Oct 31, 2018 |
EEGA: So because a striker is playing for Wolfsburg means automatic invitation? Even without no game time and no goals ? Anyway osimhen deserve his invitation I cannot say more than that 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by rabzy: 5:59am On Oct 31, 2018 |
komekn:Nice 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by M7even(m): 6:34am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Ryan giggs slept with his brother's wife. John Terry slept with a teammates wife or girlfriend, dele Alli had a video of him receiving Mouth Gig, come on Southgate. These things happens. Players get drunk leaving bar and drive recklessly, they get fattened up... Players have goal drought for seasons.. There are no emotional bias when u see a country man playing or starting, it's patriotism and not bias. We are not saying Isaac success is the best player or hyping him in Watford, we are only appreciative that is all 12 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:04am On Oct 31, 2018 |
kentebemoney: Lol trust me i am so sure Before rohr invite onyekuru despite the goals flowing from Eupen days to anderlecht we first fry egg |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:05am On Oct 31, 2018 |
M7even: You made a point but please kindly remove ryan giggs and terry as example,i beg you Those 2 men are very wicked and they can kill,dat 1 no b drunkness issue o 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:16am On Oct 31, 2018 |
tbaba1234: Rohr list are always okay to me,even with the list for the south africa game,i am just concerned that they are just less midfielders thats all But i always wonder why ezenwa is always invited,for crying out loud this guy is not the best in the npfl and this guy is always warming enyimba bench. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:21am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Mickael2: You are making sense 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:22am On Oct 31, 2018 |
BascoVanVeli: So all of a sudden you believe Idowu is a fantastic player now? Let me make this a little bit easier to understand. Ekong is a good player, Balogun is a fantastic player on his day, waiting for their opportunities are Omeruo(who I personally believe is a better defender them), Awaziem(who despite the hype I do not really think he is better than the first three but he has talent nonetheless) and Ajayi(one of the revelations of the Rotherham season). Now come over to the right side of the defence and we have Shehu, Ebuehi and Aina, all are solid players on their day. But on the left who do we have? Only one naturally left footed player in Collins who hasn't exactly shown what he is made of against decent opposition, or should we continue to make do with Idowu who has been poor for God knows how long? Like I said, Ikwuowem should have been invited as a legitimate contestant for that LB spot, who says he cannot improve defensively? 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kentebemoney: 7:28am On Oct 31, 2018 |
BascoVanVeli:I remember him now, he was solid till injury took him out. Make the guy join Enugu Rangers, their defence need help. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kentebemoney: 7:33am On Oct 31, 2018 |
andrew444:Bro this coaching work no be child's play, ur thinking tactics 247 and managing men and boys from different backgrounds. Am sure if you are privy to be with the coach and his staffs when decisions are made, you go understand better. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:44am On Oct 31, 2018 |
tbaba1234:I tire o cos Ezenwa invitation lacks merit and not good for our football development. A third keeper with Enyimba and always getting invitations,no wonder we always result to team B players in Europe. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kentebemoney: 7:47am On Oct 31, 2018 |
edi287: IMO the world cup came too early for us (based on player's form). I like rohr and the stability he's brought to the team. We are beating African teams anyhow now so it's very easy to forget that three years ago we were struggling to beat these same teams. From my little experience with coaching, stability is KEY and I won't trade it for ideological eldorado (most especially during qualifiers). 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:47am On Oct 31, 2018 |
kentebemoney: I always respect the coach decision despite any foul play |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:47am On Oct 31, 2018 |
GBAM komekn: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:49am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Mickael2:The only difference between collins and Ikwuowem even Duru is Europe based and home based.Apart from this nothing more |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:59am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Kog45: Simple and short. If Ikwuowem goes to Europe and trains for a year, Collins won't be able to hold a candle to him. As at now the difference there isn't much difference |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:00am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Kog45: Collins is far better.. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:02am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Mickael2: Not true, Ikwouwem is not national team quality, so many flaws in his game. I watched him against raja casablanca and he could not complete a pass. Far from national team standard. Collins is much better. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:23am On Oct 31, 2018 |
tbaba1234: Ukouwem, for sure is not a Super Eagles material for now and has a lot to improve on his game. With the AYC and WYC(if we qualify) he will sure gather more experience. Also recon him to be part of the Olympics team. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:34am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Icon4s: If he is indeed 20 or close to it, then he can certainly improve and reach a good level. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 8:34am On Oct 31, 2018 |
A.s Roma,Chelsea,Newcastle and Everton are all interested in the services of Bordeaux Nigerian Winger,Samuel Kalu. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by M7even(m): 9:01am On Oct 31, 2018 |
andrew444: Yes, but that didn't stop them from being some of the best players in Europe. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:34am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Nnamdi Ofoborh was an used substitute for AFC Bournemouth as they beat Norwich 2-1 in last night's League Cup game. 3 Likes
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:53am On Oct 31, 2018 |
safarigirl: Yes ma. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:55am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Kog45: Collins and Ebube can actually defend. That trait is kind of important in a defender you know |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:15am On Oct 31, 2018 |
kentebemoney: That would be a good option. I think Rohr is trying to set him up for a move abroad. As a free agent Rohr would rather not call him up if his next move is within Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:20am On Oct 31, 2018 |
BascoVanVeli: I am not sure what the difference is between bad belle and hate. Let's be matured please. I don't look at stats alone go back to my posts, I always say statistics are indicative and not conclusive. However, there are some stats you can't get away from as a striker you are EXPECTED to score GOALS that's what you will be measured against. I don't think shame has anything to do with it. I don't set the standard they are universal for all to see. I understand your position but I don't agree with it. Zaha is arguably the best winger in the EPL he is much more than a goal scorer he drives the whole team forward. And he looks like poetry in motion when he is doing it. Do you truly believe the bold in your write up. Osimhen was so highly regarded by his coaches that over two years how many minutes of football did play maybe 300 minutes more ot less. Couldn't even make the bench most times. And your deduction is he was highly REGARDED even you don't believe that delusion. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Curtisaxel7(m): 10:22am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Daninya11: Wow!. Let him not near Chelsea abeg. Unless if he is ready to be loaned to death. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Curtisaxel7(m): 10:26am On Oct 31, 2018 |
komekn: You still haven't answered my question. Now I'm even more curious. Oya just give me a hint. ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:27am On Oct 31, 2018 |
Mickael2: So a player that plays left back in the champions league is not good enough for you abi? When have you seen idowu get exposed defensively. Against Argentina he was our best defender. Adeleye will not make either match day squad and neither would Ikwuowem. Eze got these same invites but never played, nevertheless he is doing well in Europe right now. Rohr knows what he is doing 1 Like |
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