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Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 3:42pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:you are really funny because you just showed you didn't read the passage. Now take your Bible and open gen 3:15, God tells us that unlike Adam and Eve, husband and wife whose tag team led to the fall, the new tag team by which God will create enmity with the devil shall be WOMAN AND HER OFFSPRING. Those are not meaningless words, they are God's word. That is how God was to reverse the old Adam stupidity, and the old Eve failure, there will be a new woman and man, not husband and wife but mother and son. The son according to Paul is the new Adam, the woman then is the new Eve since Adam and Eve failed together a woman and a man will be obedient to God and reverse that fall though not equally. 2 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 3:46pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:you are the person who imagine that the writings of these early Christians are contradictory to the Bible, which they are not, they are only contradictory to your false interpretation of the Bible. That is why the early church is totally different from the modern Protestant churches, you guys it seems are interpreting the text in a way that the original audience of the Bible will totally disagree with. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by MuttleyLaff: 3:47pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent: Ubenedictus:Because it is written: “Be holy, just as I also am holy.” - 1 Peter 1:16 |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 3:48pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:I have seen this before, when you can't respond to a discussion you resort to ad hominems, it is both disgraceful and shameful. If you can't avoid the name calling then excuse yourself from the discussion. 3 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 3:52pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:no dear, my church didn't write the Merriam Webster dictionary, we didn't manufacture the words nor did we manipulate it. I quoted what the dictionary says as regards veneration, if you disagree and want the words defined to tickle your fancy then you are out of luck or rather call the dictionary to help you. Shouting bullshi or blaming the church because the dictionary doesn't favor you selective approach is pretty low. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Yale9(m): 3:57pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
I say the Hail Mary everyday. Ronaldo does too. Messi does too Suarez does too Sanchez does... Over 50% of the global christian population do too. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by budaatum: 4:15pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:You are correct, muttly, thanks. My mix up of two of his books! Fagunwa's book is "Ògbójú Ọdẹ nínú Igbó Irúnmalẹ̀". Do note, blueagent, please. You may also read his Igbo Olodumare. MuttleyLaff:Yes, they do tick the boxes in 2 Timothy 3:16-17. "Instruction in righteousness" afterall does not always come in the form, "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not". Reading will expand understanding. And Otem's writings are most definitely worth the read, except a believer might not be able to read it objectively. Good recommendation though! 1 Like
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Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by budaatum: 4:20pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 5:58pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: But Mary herself never claimed to be Holy she acknownledge that she needs a Saviour. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:00pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Really? I can't believe this. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:04pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Another Fallacy And where is this explaination written in the Bible? It is funny how you run to the Bible to pick verses out of context to support your false narrative but you reject same bible verses when do contracdict your oponion. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:05pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Another fallacy. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:08pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Yale9: You are just a confused dude get hold of yourself. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:10pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: No they don't 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:13pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Which dictionary? stop lieing Definition of worship in English: worship NOUN 1[mass noun] The feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity. ‘worship of the Mother Goddess’ ‘ancestor worship’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.1 Religious rites or ceremonies, constituting a formal expression of reverence for a deity. ‘the church was opened for public worship’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.2 Great admiration or devotion shown towards a person or principle. ‘the worship of celebrity and wealth’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.3archaic Honour given to someone in recognition of their merit. 2(His/Your Worship) British [as title] Used in addressing or referring to an important or high- ranking person, especially a magistrate or mayor. ‘we were soon joined by His Worship the Mayor’ More example sentences |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Yale9(m): 6:16pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:surely a question u could never ever answer. Judge yourself and then.. CRY! You really should |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:16pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
budaatum: Its obvious you are a kid or just been naive. I am sure i have more knownledge on different issues than you will ever acquire in 3 lifetimes. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:17pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Yale9: Why are running away from telling me what worship means? Let me do expo for you Definition of worship in English: worship NOUN 1[mass noun] The feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity. ‘worship of the Mother Goddess’ ‘ancestor worship’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.1 Religious rites or ceremonies, constituting a formal expression of reverence for a deity. ‘the church was opened for public worship’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.2 Great admiration or devotion shown towards a person or principle. ‘the worship of celebrity and wealth’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.3archaic Honour given to someone in recognition of their merit. 2(His/Your Worship) British [as title] Used in addressing or referring to an important or high- ranking person, especially a magistrate or mayor. ‘we were soon joined by His Worship the Mayor’ More example sentences https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/worship |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:20pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: It was your Church that stole from pagans go and read about your Church history with an unbaised mind. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:22pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:32pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Yale9: Synonyms of hero-worship in English: hero-worship See definition of hero-worship NOUN 1‘the hero-worship of the fans gathered at the airport’ SYNONYMS idolization, adulation, admiration, idealization, awe, high esteem, high regard, putting on a pedestal worship, adoration, glorification, exaltation, veneration, reverence |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:34pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Am not sure you know the meaning of Synonyms This is from Oxford dictionary Synonyms of worship in English: worship See definition of worship NOUN 1‘the new Church rejected the worship of saints and relics’ SYNONYMS reverence, revering, worshipping, veneration, venerating, adoration, adoring, -olatry, devotion, praise, thanksgiving, praising, praying to, glorification, glorifying, glory, exaltation, exalting, extolment, extolling, homage, respect, honour, honouring, esteem dulia, latria rare laudation, magnification 2‘morning worship’ SYNONYMS service, church service, religious rite, religious act, prayer, prayer meeting, praise, devotion, religious observance matins, morning prayer, vespers, evening prayer, evensong 3‘he contemplated the pin-up with worship’ SYNONYMS admiration, adulation, idolization, deification, lionization, hero-worship VERB 1‘they do not worship pagan gods’ SYNONYMS revere, reverence, venerate, pay homage to, honour, adore, praise, pray to, bow down before, glorify, exalt, extol be devoted to, dote on, love, hold dear, cherish, treasure, admire, esteem, adulate, idolize, deify, hero-worship, lionize, have a high regard for, hold in high regard, hold in esteem, hold in awe, look up to informal be wild about, put on a pedestal archaic magnify https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/worship |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(m): 6:36pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Yale9: Even if 100% of the World does it does not make it right with God. James 4:4 Y e adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Yale9(m): 7:04pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:now rate yourself... and then CRY.. Cos u really should |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Yale9(m): 7:06pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
You can never worship a person or a diety(as a god) WITHOUT THE INTENTION TO SO DO. And Catholics do not have any intention in the worship of Mary(as a God). So why not mind your business and get over the Catholic Chuch which is indeed the biggest Christian entity .. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by budaatum: 9:37pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
blueAgent:You're the one who said you don't read! Were you lying? Do know that the issue here is not about knowledge, but about understanding, which you have not really shown that you have! 2 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by MuttleyLaff: 1:10am On Nov 04, 2018 |
blueAgent:"Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit" - Ephesians 3:5 "Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest." - Hebrews 3:1 "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches." - Romans 11:16 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 6:54pm On Nov 05, 2018 |
blueAgent:did you learn this word newly? Oya what type of fallacy did I commit? Have you done your research or are you still speaking from ignorance. Is the mother of the davidic king not the Queen mother? Is Jesus not a King in that line? |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 6:59pm On Nov 05, 2018 |
blueAgent:oh sorry, you want to be spoon fed, the Bible already told you add one to one but you are still waiting for it to tell you two. Sorry, the reversal of the old Adam and the old Eve sin is a mother and child, the child is Jesus, his mother is Mary, Jesus is the new Adam, the antitype of the old Adam, that makes Mary the antitype of the old Eve, the new Eve. If you still can't make the addition then am not to blame, look within for whom to blame, at least the early Christians I quoted tried to explain it for you. Sorry if you still can't get it. Lastly I always accept scripture, as a Catholic I have no option, the Bible is God's word and that is dogma, which means I can never shake it. What I don't accept is your erroneous, fallible interpretation of the Bible. |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 7:13pm On Nov 05, 2018 |
blueAgent:it is you who seem ignorant of history! Pagans claim Jesus is a pagan god that the church stole from them, then you go and find a quote that says Mary is a god stolen from pagans. Is it not double standard that you are quick to agree with pagans that Mary was stolen but you will be the first to reject their claim that Jesus too was stolen? You appeal to pagans when it suits you and run away with your tail between your legs when it doesn't. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 7:16pm On Nov 05, 2018 |
F blueAgent:so worship is the honor you give to someone you consider to be a deity and the accompanying religious ceremony, in the archaic sense it can mean a title or honor given to someone as a recognition of merit, that is what the above say abi? Then it is clear that if you are speaking in the first sense then Catholics CAN'T BE WORSHIPING Mary because they don't consider her to be deity and worship is what one offers to deity. Veneration on the other hand Definition of venerate : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference 1 : to honor (an icon, a relic, etc.) with a ritual act of devotion Choose the Right Synonym for venerate REVERE , REVERENCE , VENERATE, WORSHIP, ADORE mean to honor and admire profoundly and respectfully. REVERE stresses deference and tenderness of feeling. // a professor revered by her students // REVERENCE presupposes an intrinsic merit and inviolability in the one honored and a similar depth of feeling in the one honoring. // reverenced the academy's code of honor // VENERATE implies a holding as holy or sacrosanct because of character, association, or age. // heroes still venerated // WORSHIP implies homage usually expressed in words or ceremony. // worships their memory // ADORE implies love and stresses the notion of an individual and personal attachment. // we adored our doctor // What's the Difference Between venerate , revere , and reverence ? Venerate , revere , reverence , worship, and adore all mean to honor and admire profoundly and respectfully. Venerate implies a holding as holy or sacrosanct because of character, association, or age. Revere stresses deference and tenderness of feeling ("a professor revered by students"wink. Reverence presupposes an intrinsic merit and inviolability in the one honored and a similar depth of feeling in the one honoring ("she reverenced the academy's code of honor"wink. Worship implies homage usually expressed in words or ceremony ("he worships their memory"wink. Adore implies love and stresses the notion of an individual and personal attachment ("we adored our doctor"wink. Venerate , incidentally, traces back to the Latin verb venerari, from vener -, meaning "love" or "charm." Examples of venerate in a Sentence // a writer venerated by generations of admirers // She is venerated as a saint. Recent Examples on the Web // One of the key thinkers venerated by Putin and his circle is a hitherto obscure Russian fascist, Ivan Ilyin, whose views are absurd but terrifying in their implications. — Margaret Macmillan, New York Times, "Are We Traveling the ‘Road to Unfreedom’?," 9 May 2018 // Madikizela-Mandela was persecuted by the apartheid government, and venerated by many South Africans, because of her activism against white minority rule. — Washington Post , "South Africa declares mourning period for Madikizela-Mandela," 3 Apr. 2018 // Discretion is different now; it is practiced less, it is venerated less. — Meagan Fredette, refinery29.com , "Are Justin Bieber & Ariana Grande Trying To One-Up Each Other On PDA?," 14 July 2018 // Social media's problems stem not just from internet companies' business strategies but from the technologies the companies use and venerate. — Nicholas Carr, chicagotribune.com , "Is Facebook the problem with Facebook, or is it us?," 10 July 2018 // Every day, the whole world seems to venerate mothers, but for you, Mother’s Day is the worst. — Yvonne Abraham, BostonGlobe.com , "For women who have trouble conceiving, Mother’s Day can be the worst," 12 May 2018 // The comment made Lugo reflect on whose faces get venerated on vases. — Cassie Owens, Philly.com , "Throwing down: How this potter from Kensington found fine art success," 26 June 2018 // Mexico may venerate its teachers, but that seems not to have translated into learning. — The Economist , "Mexico’s crucial education reform risks being unwound," 31 May 2018 // Long- venerated as a trading powerhouse, Goldman Sachs has struggled to regain its foothold there since the financial crisis. — Fortune , "Goldman Sachs Group," 29 Mar. 2018 Merriam-webster dictionary. That is more like it. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by Ubenedictus(m): 7:24pm On Nov 05, 2018 |
blueAgent:I saw the synonyms, thank God a synonym cannot be used to replace the original word in every instance. Your synonym says that honor is a synonym for worship, praise too is a synonym for worship, esteem, treasure and cherish are also synonym for worship. If a synonym could always replace the original that would mean; Every time I honored my parents I was committing idolatry, Every time my mum praised me she was and idolaters Every time couples in church promised to cherish one another and I esteemed my wife or a friend that mean I was worshipping abi? Fa fa fa fowl, doesn't work like that dear, I can cherish and treasure and esteem my wife without worshipping her, praise my parents and not worship them and venerate(honor) without ascribing divinity to her or worshipping her. Get that? 3 Likes |
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