Re: . by Curlieweed: 1:00pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:
It is. When a state like Anambra with its massive bank deposit mobilization and commercial potential raises less in IGR than Cross River or Kwara, we're doing a bad job. It's not as if high IGR states like Ogun are overtaxing residents. My dad for example owns apartment blocks in Mkpor and told me he hasn't paid any tenement rate in several years. You need to generate revenue if you want your government to have the capacity to live up to its responsibilities in public infrastructure and healthcare, pay salaries, pensions and entitlements, expand the civil service and improve their quality of life (Anambra civil servants, including graduates, are horribly paid), stimulate the economy, invest in productive ventures like mining and agriculture etc. We're like a century behind countries like Switzerland, so I don't see that as the best of analogies. Sure, Switzerland has one of the lowest tax rates among its European neighbors, but healthcare and utilities costs in Switzerland are significantly more expensive too than their neighbors, with less subsidies from the government. It all still balances out. Swiss people don't have a higher quality of life than Swedes or Norwegians or Danes. The bottomline is we need to improve on the efficiency of our civil service. One of the reasons for the lack of professionalism you alluded to is simply the Anambra state civil service for example is not worth working for. I had a cousin who worked there years ago under Peter Obi and his salary was something like N20,000 a month: a graduate.
I agree with your last paragraph. I hoped a grassroots driven movement like IPOB could really inspire change in local politics, but they chose to chase ghosts instead. Basically saying the reason we're in a mess is all because of "zoogeria". Not that the Mbadinujus, and Kalus, and Orjis, and Nnamanis, and Egwus were also useless governors, or that our Senators and Representatives only go to the National Assembly to share money (remember the budget crises this year where money was taken from the 2nd Niger Bridge project and the disgraceful incompetence of our representatives). It's all because of Zoogeria. You make an interesting point about civil service pay. It’s clearly a case of the government pretending to pay the workers while the civil servant pretend to work. You clearly can’t retain quality talent with 20k/month. When I was in school, I dated a civil servant. I visited her very regularly because the secretariat was close to my school. In the 6 months period, I never saw this babe do a minute of work and she had a whole office to herself. The point about IGR as a proxy for government effectiveness is not about whether more revenue isn’t better than less revenue but whether additional funds are better utilized by government than if the money is left with individuals. I consider Anambra as a relatively well run state (not withstanding the low wages lol). I understand that they have a deliberate policy of avoiding excessive taxation to encourage growth. I don’t know much about Lagos but from what people tell me the taxes (on micro businesses) are retrogressive and intrusive while government expenditure is concentrated in the affluent areas. In contrast to Anambra, most states concentrate on beautifying the capital cities and other projects with zilch effect on the welfare of a large proportion of the population. Additionally, these high IGR figures don’t stop them borrowing like down at luck gamblers. So you over tax me today, spend the money to benefit only the well off then over borrow to ensure that my children suffer the same fate (or worse). I believe that if the money isn’t going to be used judiciously, it’s better left with me to be solve my own problems. On the other hand, if there is a clear vision for the state ( or region), then clearly an efficient system of taxation will be invaluable component in achieving that aim. You don’t expect IPOB to criticize the SE leadership when that will serve to polarize local support. Additionally, such criticism will divert attention from the core issue which is the illogical structure of the country. 2 Likes |
Re: . by Nobody: 1:27pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
oilPUSSY:
Juliusmma, you can run buy you can't hide. If you like open one million accounts on nairaland claiming to be Igbo, the arewa/isllamic odour that follows you around will always fetch you out. The odour is too strong for us not to notice
Is your life so miserable that you can't mind your business, rather you are here spending your time to achieve what you you can never achieve online let alone offline ?. Don't be useful to your parents, keep wasting your time and Keep struggling to achieve the impossible. Shameless amajiri. no time replying useless post. |
Re: . by hammerFC: 1:28pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
NEXT TOPIC, STATE CREATION...
THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT WE ALL LOVE TO TOPIC ABOUT BUT NOBODY IS SURE ABOUT WHERE TO START.
IN ALAIGBO TODAY, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDES TO RESTRUCTURE, ARE WE CERTAIN OF WHICH STATES NEED TO BE STRATEGICALLY CREATED FOR NDIIGBO?
LET US DISCUSS STATE CREATION AND FOR THIS WE WILL CERTAINLY NEED SOMEONE WITH LINKE TO PETER OBI, BECOS HE IS THE MOST RELEVANT PERSON IN SE POLITICS AT THE MOMENT.
WAT WE DISCUSS SHOULD BE CARRIED TO PETER OBI. 1 Like |
Re: . by OreMI22: 1:29pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
ckenneths: THE ORIGIN OF IGBO LAND PLS KNOW YOUR ORIGIN IT IS WISE AND EDUCATING TO KNOW YOUR HISTORY AND FAMILY TREE LINE AND WHERE YOU ORIGINATED FROM . They documented some of our history in your bible but you don't know. IGBOS BIBLICAL GENEALOGY. Let's begin according to Genesis 29 verse 30: JACOB had twelve (12) sons namely: #1. Ruben #2. Simeon #3. Levi #4. Judah #5. Dan #6. Naphtali #7. Gad #8. Asher #9. Issachar #10. Zebulun #11. Joseph #12. Benjamin. The 7th son was GAD. and according to Genesis 46 vs16. GAD had seven (7) sons namely: Ziphon Haggi Shunni Ezbon Eri Arodi Areli. Sometime in Middle East, famine struck and Jacob moved with his family and about 70 other relations to Egypt. But before then Joseph (which was 11th son of Jacob) had already been sold to Egypt by his brothers, where he was made Governor General under a King Pharaoh. As time goes on when the Pharaoh that knows Joseph died, they started suffering persecutions from the hand of Egyptians but ERI the 5th son of GAD foresaw the danger, persecution, and wickedness coming and he decided to leave in time with his two younger brothers, ARODI & ARELI with one of his half brothers. They travelled through Ethiopia, Sudan and down towards West Africa through river nile and landed at a place known as AGULERI today through Omambala river in Anambra state, around 1305 BC. (I) ERI established and lived close to the Omambala river. He was wealthy and wise like his great grand father (Abiama) Abraham. That is why Anambra state has the highest number of rich people in Africa. ERI; had five (5) sons: (1) Agulu (2) Atta (3) Oba (4) Hebrew/Ibo (5) Menri (1) AGULU; as the first son stayed back and established in the place known as Agulu-ERI (Agulu son of ERI) in Anambra state. (2) ATTA; moved to upward North and established a place known as "IGALA Kingdom " and that is why their overall KING is known as "Atta of IGALA" in Kogi state (3) OBA; left and founded a place known as Oba Kingdom in Anambra state. (4) HEBREW; which have been changed to mean Hibo or Ibo. He was very powerful spiritual man and that is why people from this area are always very spiritual. He left and founded Igbo-Etiti, Igbo- Adagbe, Igbo- Eze (within Nsukka and parts of Anambra). (5) MENRI left and founded a place known as ""AgukwuNRI". NRI Kingdom. (II). ARODI moved to a place known as "ARO- CHUKWU". Very industrious and good at arts and crafts. (e.g: Aba Ngwa people of Aba). ARODI gave birth to: (1) Nembe (2) Ngwa (3) Abakaliki (4) Ogoni (5) Afikpo (6) Aro-Ikot Ekpene (Akwa Ibom ) (7) Aro- Echie (Rivers state) ( Arondizuogu. During slave trade Aro spread all over the world. America, Cuba, Brazil and "ARO-festival" is always been celebrated in CUBA. (III). ARELI was a man with a lot of Wisdom. The native tongue of his descendants is today known as "Central Igbo". And people from this Area have the highest number of graduates and professors in Igbo land. ARELI gave birth to: (1) Owerri (2) Umuahia (3) Diobu (River state) (4) Okigwe (5) Orlu (6) Nkwerre (7) Elele (Mba Ise) (9) Mba Ano, etc... ERI half brothers moved and founded IJAW nationality and some parts of Edo State and many other parts of Niger Delta. EVIDENCES and SIMILARITIES: Now to verify some of the things I have said above. (1) If you get to Aguleri there is a particular house known as OBI GAD (house of GAD). Remember GAD was the 7th son of Jacob (Gen 29:30) and GAD had five (5) sons of which the last three (3) who were ERI, ARODI and ARELI and some of their half brothers left Egypt to West Africa). The OBI GAD was the resting or relaxing place for ERI and his brothers and they named it OBI GAD in order to honour their father (GAD, the 7th son of Israel). This OBI GAD was the first house built in Igboland. This is the reason why every Igbo man always build a place called OBI/OBU in his house in honour of his father and mainly for relaxation and in the olden days, there is always a family shrine or little oracle, and why they worship Oracle then was because they left EGYPT before GOD gave 10 commandments to Moses for the Israelites, of which one of the 10 commandments is against idol worship. (even though modern day Igbos now build OBI as outside BAR without any Shrine, while some Christians don't build OBI anymore because of their beliefs). It can also be Called ERI TEMPLE. The Obi GAD also serve as a Consulting place for some royal fathers from other community that have Direct root to ERI. ANOTHER EVIDENCE. (2) At the Burial place of ERI, there is a TRINITY TREE standing on the grave site. These are three Trees but are strongly United and connected by Single Tap Root. (3) "ADA" means first Daughter in Israel (Gen 4 vs 19- 20) and it means the same thing in Igbo language. (4) Before an Igbo man makes a contribution in a public gathering, he will shout "Igbo kwenu " and the people will respond "Yah" and "Yah" is short form of " Yahweh. Yahweh is the name of Jewish GOD. (5) STAR OF DAVID AND some bronze medals Encrypted with Hebrew Codes were found in many part of the Igbo land. (6) Israelis (Jews) manufactures 80% the world weapons and 70% of USA weapons. Just like Igbos manufactured 80% of all the weapons used during Biafran. Which no other African nation has done. Igbos were only defeated during the war due to Hunger policy. By now, we would have manufacturing war weapons for Africans, and no country will have to go outside Africa to purchase weapons to fight Insurgency, if not for the bad policy of Nigeria. Igbos are the most highly technologically inclined people in the whole of Africa. You will also notice that Igbos always handle the post of science and technology and industry in most Nigeria ministerial post. The first West African billionaire is from Nnewi: Chief Sir Louis Ojukwu. The black Indigenous Vehicle Manufacturers eg: INNOSON MOTORS AND COSHARIS MOTORS, Indigenous MOBILE PHONE AND COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS eg: (A) SLOK MOBILE (Orji Uzo kalu).. (B) ZINOX COMPUTERS (Leo Stan Ekeh). (C) SLOT MOBILE (NNAMDI EZEIGBO) (D) Father of internet and founder of the fastest computer in the world (PHILIP EMEAGWALI) etc. (7) We carry home our dead ones just like the Israelites (Gen 49 vs 29-50). (Just like the Israelites, we were led or ruled by Elders and Priest. There was no King in Israel until Samuel appointed Saul as the King of Israel and that was why Israelites were led by Prophet Moses and so many other Prophets. CONCLUSION: Isreali Ambassador (Noah Katz) Confirmed that Igbos are Jews. (Check Daily Sun Newspapers 28th March 2004). Therefore, Igbo are the Engine Block and Japan of Africa , no wonder an Author with international reputation, "Emefiena Ezennia" said that "In Biafra Africa Died". We are good people, we love our neighbours, we accommodate anybody. We can live everywhere and develop anywhere. It is in our blood to develop. We need Igbos to develop Nigeria, Africa and even the world as a whole, we are God's people, a chosen generation! Nigeria should stop the marginalization of the Igbos and the Biafrans or let them have their freedom. For the Igbos we should know who we are, dream and think bigger, for you are the son of the most high God, the God of Abraham (Abiama) believe in yourself and work harder as it is in your blood, every Igbo parents should endeavour to teach their children Igbo language and culture all the time! Mba nile nwere ihe ha jiri di EBUBE# EDUCATION AND UNITY IS WISDOM. share this knowledge and wisdom to 1000 people and give me back yes � you will see the power of God of Israel in 7 day
Copied from a WhatsApp group This is truly excellent chronological flow of verifiable FACTS!
I'm waiting for the faceless Yoruba goons to come here and spread their fake census numbers.Like, 99% of those that speak Igbo in Nigeria are actually Igbira people and other fantastic concoctions they love to do in Nigeria. Yeye people 3 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 1:39pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
On state creation for Ndiigbo, the state that seems less complicated and strategically relevant to create is one out of Enugu North.
The Nsukka axis, bring in Igbos scattered in the middle belt areas of Benue and Kogi.
I dont know wat the state should be called but creating that state appears not to create much headache. 1 Like |
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Re: . by hammerFC: 1:42pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
The state is called Adada state.
It should not be created without capturing Igbo in the middle belt area of Benue and Kogi.
This is the most relevant state to be created out of the present day SE. |
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Re: . by hammerFC: 1:48pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
I have noticed that aside Adada state, every other state creates a headache and complication.
Igbo land should get at least two states, whilst other regions get one.
Igbo definately need one more state, and even if state creation is not on the agenda, Adada state should be created in the SE.
One state first has to be created in the SE before talks of more state creation for all regions in Nigeria.
The southeast have been short changed long enough. |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:42pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Curlieweed:
The point about IGR as a proxy for government effectiveness is not about whether more revenue isn’t better than less revenue but whether additional funds are better utilized by government than if the money is left with individuals. I consider Anambra as a relatively well run state (not withstanding the low wages lol). I understand that they have a deliberate policy of avoiding excessive taxation to encourage growth.
I don’t know much about Lagos but from what people tell me the taxes (on micro businesses) are retrogressive and intrusive while government expenditure is concentrated in the affluent areas. In contrast to Anambra, most states concentrate on beautifying the capital cities and other projects with zilch effect on the welfare of a large proportion of the population. Additionally, these high IGR figures don’t stop them borrowing like down at luck gamblers. So you over tax me today, spend the money to benefit only the well off then over borrow to ensure that my children suffer the same fate (or worse).
I believe that if the money isn’t going to be used judiciously, it’s better left with me to be solve my own problems. On the other hand, if there is a clear vision for the state ( or region), then clearly an efficient system of taxation will be invaluable component in achieving that aim.
You don’t expect IPOB to criticize the SE leadership when that will serve to polarize local support. Additionally, such criticism will divert attention from the core issue which is the illogical structure of the country.
This is the point though: I don't believe it is a deliberate economic strategy. It is an oversight. If you have a well organized civil service, you'll earn good money. You'll plug tax-avoidance loopholes in the system. You can't compare Anambra and Cross River in economic output, but Cross River earns more because their civil service is more efficient. Same with Enugu which generates more in IGR than Anambra. These are failings that need to be addressed. I use my dad as an example who was an FIRS director, and is consequently sensitive about his tax obligations and a willing tax payer. Yet, according to him, he hasn't paid tenement rate in several years for the flats he owns in Nkpor. Free money that the state government is missing out on due to their lack of due diligence. I believe it is mismanagement, not a deliberate strategy. I stress this matter of IGR a lot because we are the group that are loudest about "restructuring" (that is even ignoring the IPOB fanatics who want a schism). Even the Niger Delta that have the most to gain from it don't make as much noise about restructuring as we do. Yet, we are failing at fundamental things to make it a viable reality. Without a healthy tax base, our public infrastructure will collapse and we'll be pauperized. Sectors like education, health, transportation, agriculture, mining, waste disposal and public utilities etc will always need to be driven by the government and the money to fund it must be there. Yes, more revenue might mean more waste and embezzlement, but it is our duty to ensure we hold our leaders accountable. 1 Like |
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Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:56pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC: I have noticed that aside Adada state, every other state creates a headache and complication.
Igbo land should get at least two states, whilst other regions get one.
Igbo definately need one more state, and even if state creation is not on the agenda, Adada state should be created in the SE.
One state first has to be created in the SE before talks of more state creation for all regions in Nigeria.
The southeast have been short changed long enough. Nigeria is far too fragmented, with far too many states and far too many ethnicities (where similar groups like Isoko and Urhobo, or Efik and Ibibio, or Igboid groups claim distinct identities). Something like 30 states in Nigeria are not economically viable. This states-creation obsession only serves to further entrench the status quo of states sharing money from Abuja rather than looking to stand on their feet as viable economies in their own right. Enugu was ripped in two to form Anambra. Provided a big chunk of land for Ebonyi, and now people want it balkanized farther to form another state? Why? Only reason that makes sense which I've heard is the extra National Assembly seats. But that is not good enough reason to override economic considerations. 2 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 5:40pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:
Nigeria is far too fragmented, with far too many states and far too many ethnicities (where similar groups like Isoko and Urhobo, or Efik and Ibibio, or Igboid groups claim distinct identities). Something like 30 states in Nigeria are not economically viable. This states-creation obsession only serves to further entrench the status quo of states sharing money from Abuja rather than looking to stand on their feet as viable economies in their own right. Enugu was ripped in two to form Anambra. Provided a big chunk of land for Ebonyi, and now people want it balkanized farther to form another state? Why? Only reason that makes sense which I've heard is the extra National Assembly seats. But that is not good enough reason to override economic considerations. How does giving a region with just 5 states, one more state, to put it on equal footing with its peers, going to solve or create more issues? The SE is in critical need of at least one more state. Adada is the best and safest option. It provides a unique opportunity to capture our people in the middlebelt into the SE |
Re: . by Curlieweed: 5:48pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:
This is the point though: I don't believe it is a deliberate economic strategy. It is an oversight. If you have a well organized civil service, you'll earn good money. You'll plug tax-avoidance loopholes in the system. You can't compare Anambra and Cross River in economic output, but Cross River earns more because their civil service is more efficient. Same with Enugu which generates more in IGR than Anambra. These are failings that need to be addressed. I use my dad as an example who was an FIRS director, and is consequently sensitive about his tax obligations and a willing tax payer. Yet, according to him, he hasn't paid tenement rate in several years for the flats he owns in Nkpor. Free money that the state government is missing out on due to their lack of due diligence. I believe it is mismanagement, not a deliberate strategy. I stress this matter of IGR a lot because we are the group that are loudest about "restructuring" (that is even ignoring the IPOB fanatics who want a schism). Even the Niger Delta that have the most to gain from it don't make as much noise about restructuring as we do. Yet, we are failing at fundamental things to make it a viable reality. Without a healthy tax base, our public infrastructure will collapse and we'll be pauperized. Sectors like education, health, transportation, agriculture, mining, waste disposal and public utilities etc will always need to be driven by the government and the money to fund it must be there.
Yes, more revenue might mean more waste and embezzlement, but it is our duty to ensure we hold our leaders accountable. It’s interesting that the two states you mentioned (Enugu and CRS) are older states. These states had better infrastructure for tax collection than the newer states which in most cases have not developed such systems. It goes to show you that most of these issues are structural. I guess that also kind of gives some credence to your “oversight “ assertion. I don’t think the state executives are too enamoured with “restructuring”. Why spoil a good thing? Of course we have already talked about their short term focus. In the SE, it’s mainly Ohaneze ( with frustrated political ambitions and have the luxury of being outside looking in) as well as ordinary citizens that are more in favour of restructuring. The whole country will gain from restructuring in the longer term despite real short term pain in many areas. Actually, that is the only solution to our myriad issues. Hopefully, state (or regional) political executive offices will be less attractive to the kind of carpet baggers we have currently and we can attract people with some vision. Accountability should also improve because there is no one else to blame. I think the tenement rate is a local government tax. That is the tragedy of the decision of most state executives to literally abolish that tier of government. In most countries, local governments (or municipalities) are responsible for streets (road maintenance), sewage, some utilities, basic education, waste disposal, police and a number of other services. They are usually financed mainly by property taxes. In Nigeria, the LGs do almost fvck all. Citizens have to provide these services for themselves while still paying taxes to state government which is very unfair especially to wage earners who can’t escape PAYE. That is also why the effects of restructuring (not withstanding the loss of revenue) will have less an impact on the lives of ordinary people than you may expect. Currently, the actual impact of state governments on the lives of most ordinary Nigerians is very limited. For example, I saw people praising Mr Umahi for building flyovers and “glass tunnels”. In Kano state, they built the longest flyover in the country. Amaechi left a half completed monorail system in Rivers state. How do these help the ordinary person who is struggling to make $1:00/day? 2 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 5:55pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Curlieweed:
It’s interesting that the two states you mentioned (Enugu and CRS) are older states. These states had better infrastructure for tax collection than the newer states which in most cases have not developed such systems. It goes to show you that most of these issues are structural. I guess that also kind of gives some credence to your “oversight “ assertion.
I don’t think the state executives are too enamoured with “restructuring”. Why spoil a good thing? Of course we have already talked about their short term focus. In the SE, it’s mainly Ohaneze ( with frustrated political ambitions and have the luxury of being outside looking in) as well as ordinary citizens that are more in favour of restructuring. The whole country will gain from restructuring in the longer term despite real short term pain in many areas. Actually, that is the only solution to our myriad issues. Hopefully, state (or regional) political executive offices will be less attractive to the kind of carpet baggers we have currently and we can attract people with some vision. Accountability should also improve because there is no one else to blame.
I think the tenement rate is a local government tax. That is the tragedy of the decision of most state executives to literally abolish that tier of government. In most countries, local governments (or municipalities) are responsible for streets (road maintenance), sewage, some utilities, basic education, waste disposal, police and a number of other services. They are usually financed mainly by property taxes. In Nigeria, the LGs do almost fvck all. Citizens have to provide these services for themselves while still paying taxes to state government which is very unfair especially to wage earners who can’t escape PAYE.
That is also why the effects of restructuring (not withstanding the loss of revenue) will have less an impact on the lives of ordinary people than you may expect. Currently, the actual impact of state governments on the lives of most ordinary Nigerians is very limited. For example, I saw people praising Mr Umahi for building flyovers and “glass tunnels”. In Kano state, they built the longest flyover in the country. Amaechi left a half completed monorail system in Rivers state. How do these help the ordinary person who is struggling to make $1:00/day? If we get an opportunity to create one more state, let us push for Adada. |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 6:30pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
How does giving a region with just 5 states, one more state, to put it on equal footing with its peers, going to solve or create more issues?
The SE is in critical need of at least one more state.
Adada is the best and safest option. It provides a unique opportunity to capture our people in the middlebelt into the SE Putting it bluntly, the SE doesn't deserve a 6th state. The "equality" you're demanding is unrealistic given the tiny size, population, and cultural homogeneity of the SE compared to other regions. Unless the 6th state is added from another region to the SE, it's a fruitless exercise to chop up what already have. Nigeria has more than enough states as it is and don't need farther chopping up. We could have 100 states in Nigeria and somebody will still be whining about marginalisation. Let us work with what we already have and make it work. 1 Like |
Re: . by Xander85: 6:33pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
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Re: . by OreMI22: 6:41pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
I hope that we will get to a stand in the SE that every new housing development area is well planned out before plots are sold and buildings are erected. It is slowly happening,at least in estates within some state capitals, but there are still too many slums in the making whereby the area were not well surveyed before plots were sold. Leading to haphazard erection of buildings and poorly planned streets.
State governments must seriously pay attention to new estates being developed in the state to make sure they are well planned standard layouts fit for human habitation before plots are sold out. 2 Likes |
Re: . by murphyibiam15(m): 7:02pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
If we get an opportunity to create one more state, let us push for Adada. I prefer Etiti state that will involve all the whole SE states than only Adada for Nsukka axis, after all Ngwa people also needs Aba state |
Re: . by GuyWise(m): 8:00pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
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Re: . by hammerFC: 8:32pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:
Putting it bluntly, the SE doesn't deserve a 6th state. The "equality" you're demanding is unrealistic given the tiny size, population, and cultural homogeneity of the SE compared to other regions. Unless the 6th state is added from another region to the SE, it's a fruitless exercise to chop up what already have. Nigeria has more than enough states as it is and don't need farther chopping up. We could have 100 states in Nigeria and somebody will still be whining about marginalisation. Let us work with what we already have and make it work. Whether u put it blunt or sharp, the SE are going to get a 6th state to be on par with other regions. |
Re: . by hammerFC: 8:34pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
murphyibiam15:
I prefer Etiti state that will involve all the whole SE states than only Adada for Nsukka axis, after all Ngwa people also needs Aba state The best state for now is Adada, so we can removeour Igbo people from teh middlebelt. |
Re: . by murphyibiam15(m): 8:39pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
The best state for now is Adada, so we can removeour Igbo people from teh middlebelt.
the igbos in Benue can join Ebonyi, those in kogi should join Enugu and Anambra states. Etiti state is the fairest consideration...IMHO |
Re: . by hammerFC: 8:41pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
murphyibiam15:
the igbos in Benue can join Ebonyi, those in kogi should join Enugu and Anambra states.
Etiti state is the fairest consideration...IMHO No, Igbo as a people dont need any more state. Any move geared towards state creation should be strategically focused on retrieving our people delibrately cut off from us. This is y i need guys here that have access to Peter Obi or Ik Ekweremadu. Adada is the least contentous one and must capture Igbo people in the middlebelt. |
Re: . by vanbonattel: 8:48pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
No, Igbo as a people dont need any more state. Any move geared towards state creation should be strategically focused on retrieving our people delibrately cut off from us.
This is y i need guys here that have access to Peter Obi or Ik Ekweremadu.
Adada is the least contentous one and must capture Igbo people in the middlebelt. I was with Ike today, but no chance to ask questions. Such a humble power broker. |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 8:51pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
Whether u put it blunt or sharp, the SE are going to get a 6th state to be on par with other regions. Not anytime soon. And even if the SE get another state, other regions have been lobbying hard too for new states. They're not going to create an extra state in the SE, and leave the states at 37. I can't remember who said that at the last Confab, 50-something states or so were proposed. There will never be states equity because some geopolitical zones deserve more states than others. It's that simple really. The SE fails to make a case on 3 basis: the cultural homogeneity (the SE is the most culturally homogeneous zone in the country by far); the population; and the landmass. On all 3 counts, it is the least deserving region of having another state. 1 Like |
Re: . by hammerFC: 8:52pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
vanbonattel:
I was with Ike today, but no chance to ask questions. Such a humble power broker. Are u kidding me? He is the right person for this specific matter. I personally think, he championed the Adada state creation. Is he from the Nsukka axis? |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 8:55pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
murphyibiam15:
I prefer Etiti state that will involve all the whole SE states than only Adada for Nsukka axis, after all Ngwa people also needs Aba state Etiti is actually most ridiculous proposed option. I'd rather support Njaba or Adada. You're asking for trouble creating a state like that with very different clans from different states merged together who everybody knows will engage themselves in a heated power tussle. Those that proposed it haven't thought it out well, and some of the groups involved have rejected the plans. 1 Like |
Re: . by vanbonattel: 8:56pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
Are u kidding me?
He is the right person for this specific matter.
I personally think, he championed the Adada state creation.
Is he from the Nsukka axis? I think he's from the west of Enugu. I think Awgu lg |
Re: . by hammerFC: 8:59pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:
Not anytime soon. And even if the SE get another state, other regions have been lobbying hard too for new states. They're not going to create an extra state in the SE, and leave the states at 37. I can't remember who said that at the last Confab, 50-something states or so were proposed. There will never be states equity because some geopolitical zones deserve more states than others. It's that simple really. The SE fails to make a case on 3 basis: the cultural homogeneity (the SE is the most culturally homogeneous zone in the country by far); the population; and the landmass. On all 3 counts, it is the least deserving region of having another state. Yeah! We did not stop dem from creating states in other region. We insist on equal number of states for every region. Since SE is on a deficit, they create one first for the SE and then extra states for everybody including the SE. |
Re: . by hammerFC: 9:01pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
vanbonattel:
I think he's from the west of Enugu. I think Awgu lg Awgu has a very beautiful landscape. Ekweremadu have truily been an asset to Ndiigbo. |
Re: . by murphyibiam15(m): 9:54pm On Nov 03, 2018 |
hammerFC:
Awgu has a very beautiful landscape.
Ekweremadu have truily been an asset to Ndiigbo. Ekweremmadu is from Aninri LGA and not Awgu even though most people mix it up..Ekweremmadu I think won't have such powers he has now during the next senate |