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Re: . by hammerFC: 5:58pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
The map is valid in its own way but the States we have today are by no means a mistake and they are wat we have to work with. In many cases, places like Nnewi and Ihiala have bridged gap in the same way Ihiala and Orlu bridged the gap. U cannot tell me Ihiala is the samething as Orlu.
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Re: . by pazienza(m): 5:58pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
OMANBALA1: Lol! Just as the man from Omor never had any interaction with the man from Ekwulobia before colonialism . ![]() We didn't have interactions with Yorubas, but we had interactions with Edos, who had interactions with Yorubas. And then Yorubas had interactions with Hausa Fulanis. We also had interactions with Idomas and Igalas, who had interactions with Kwararafa Kingdom of Junkuns and Junkuns had interactions with Fulanis and Hausas. So you see, we can all do extrapolations to create whatever story that we want to hear. But we all know the truth. No matter how much you chant Anambra, An Ihiala man can never have more in common with far away Awka man, than he has with his neighbors in Imo state, who he shares same dialect of Igbo language with. 3 Likes |
Re: . by OMANBALA1: 6:01pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
Yyeske: Nnaa, we cant relent because our enemies are wide awake. We must keep vigil while we wait for their encroachment. Ilo erika! When I am really ready I would use my own resources to restore our cultural identity. If we dont do this we are destined for extiction and somebody is here talking about Igbo unity not knowing culture is at the very root of it. 1 Like |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 6:03pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
hammerFC: The states are simply conduit pipes to share the national cake. Nothing more and nothing less. 30yrs ago, an Nkanu and Abakaliki man were Ndi Anambra too, until more conduits for national cake sharing were created and named Ebonyi and Enugu states. There is no gap between Ihiala man and his Imo neighbors, whatever gap that exists are artificial and were created by Nigeria. They will not survive after Nigeria stops existing. By the way, from that your map, the center of Igboland, if you add Anioma, is somewhere between Okigwe and Orlu. 2 Likes |
Re: . by Yyeske(m): 6:07pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza:I do not support that assumption, before the colonialists arrived, we never had a real Igbo consciousness but now we do, we might not have had the Omambala consciousness before until now especially considering what we all have in common, so you can see that things like beliefs, religion, culture, dialect, self identification etc could all change with time and never constant. 1 Like |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 6:21pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
Yyeske: Well, I will never be in support of acceptance of Nigerian created entities like states, as identity by Igbo groups. This is exactly why we are having problems in Egbema Rivers now, as a minority part of them now claim "Rivers men" and no longer Igbos. You can imagine. It's from that same mentality of embracing Nigerian artificial creations, that we have Identity crisis in Igboid areas. I remember in the 1980s, there was a dichotomy in Igboland then, with palpable division between the Imo and Anambra divisions. The statement " Anambra n'Imo bu umu Nne" was a mantra those who sought to difuse the tension that was building up were using. Funny that immediately they created Enugu state, the Enugu man immediately assumed his Enugu new identity and started seeing same Anambra he was part of not long ago as his problem. Ebonyi people who were part of Enugu was involved in this too. And then Ebonyi was created, Ebonyi people started seeing Enugu people as problems who cornered everthing and left them with nothing, they quickly became Ndi Ebonyi, they even have Ebonyistate anthem today. They have changed identity from Anambra to Enugu to Ebonyi in a space of 30yrs or so. ![]() ![]() This is madness, if you ask me. Yet we all mock those who had transited from Western Igbos, to Mid west Ibos, to Bendel Igbos, to Delta Igbos and today to the names of their LGAs as their identities. Isn't it ironic? 3 Likes |
Re: . by Kyleconstantine: 6:26pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
OMANBALA1: Omanbala, you always sound too arrogant and boastful. I really don't understand why you have this feeling in your head. Having said that, I think you don't even know Anambra well if you claim the whole state is monolithic. States in Nigeria are artificial creation just like Nigeria. It is mainly for political and administrative purpose. I think you should visit Orumba north and south, then Isuochi in Abia State, and parts of Oji River local government area in Enugu. You should also visit Uga in Anambra State and Akokwa in Imo State. Also, visit Amaorka in Ihiala Local Government Area and Mgbidi in Imo State. The list is actually endless. You can also visit the tail end of Ogbaru Local Government Area and then visit Ndoni people in River State and Oguta people in Imo State. I can go on and on. We are all Igbo people. Some of us where connected in the past by kinship,language and shared traditions while some of us actually got to know about each other recently. States in Nigeria, does not define kinship or has anything to do with being monolithic. A new state in the SE is a good thing regardless of where it is sited or located. My one cent! 6 Likes |
Re: . by BrownRoofRep: 6:29pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza:Lol You are comparing Nigeria with America? Say anything about more state creation in the South East and see the protests from Senators from other regions with the usual excuse of small landmass. The last one was led by Fashiola, this one may be led by Omo-Agege. |
Re: . by Kyleconstantine: 6:35pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Nwanne m, your intelligence makes me feel very proud. Your type is very rare. You always say things as they are without sentiment. Kudos to you! Preach to this guys to understand that states were created for Administrative purposes. The same people will be quick to say shit about Ikwerre, Ogba, Ika and the rest. I wish many people online where as brilliant as you are. Once again, big respect to you! 4 Likes |
Re: . by Yyeske(m): 6:41pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza:The examples you gave like the Rivers Igbos, Western Igbos are different, some elements among them are denying their Igboness unlike those in Anambra who had never denied and would never deny theirs for any reason. What we are talking about isn't our identity as Igbos as a people but as a group that inspite of differences in dialects and some of our dialects are closer to those of other sister states because of contiguity, that Omambala spirit still reigns supreme in all of us. So it isn't about state creation but how the people NOW view themselves, it was common for an Onitsha man to refer to a Non-Onitsha Igbo as nwa onye Igbo but so many are so ashamed to to even say that publicly now because the Igbo consciousness has enveloped them and they are proudly Igbo with of course the Omambala consciousness in them. 1 Like |
Re: . by igbobabe02: 6:43pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
“The white man is very clever. He came quietly and peaceably with his religion. We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers, and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart.” Chinua Achebe |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 6:49pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
BrownRoofRep: Nigerians will always agree together in any Igbophobic agenda. The new country called Nigeria was built on shared Igbo hate by all parts of Nigeria in 1970. So the issue is not about our landmass. They would always find reasons to justify any injustice against Ndiigbo. You were there recently when Senator Victor Umeh raised the issue of the lack of SE representation in the national defense council, and the Northern senators rushed to silence him, only SE senators came to support him, no single senator from SS or SW came to support him, despite the glaring injustice they(SE senators) were fighting for. Their gang up against us or lack of support, should not stop us from pushing for our rights. I watched that Senate procession and was impressed with Victor Umeh and Mao Ohuabunwa courage in the face of intimidation and outnumbering. 3 Likes |
Re: . by BrownRoofRep: 6:56pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza:Exactly my point. Imagine the scenario of landmass valid point. They will even roast him alive. When the issue was last raised, Fashiola was almost dancing naked in Alaba market... |
Re: . by hammerFC: 6:56pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Yes Orlu east. |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 7:01pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
Yyeske: Ikas started off with Western Ibos, Mid western Ibos, Bendel Ibos, Delta Ibos, Ika Ibos, and today, we are being told that Ikas had evolved an identity of their own separate from the rest of Ndiigbo and can no longer be Igbo. Nah from clap dem dey take enter dance. Wepu aka enwe n'ofe, tupu ogho aka mmadu. This Omambala consciousness or whatever you call it is artificial and anti Igbo. It puts a knife on things that unite Igbo groups. The clans are better, because our clans transcends the artificially created Nigerian states. How can you be promoting an Omambala artificial identity that would separate Isu clans from Northern Imo and Abia, from their people in Southern Anambra. That will separate the Ogbaru people from their people in Ndoni and Ndokwa? 5 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 7:04pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Those states that have been created will be difficult to do away with. Anambra will not like to see any part removed from them. Ihiala is considered Anambra and i dont think the people from Ihiala will like all this talk of Imo. I know a few of them.These people are proud NdiAnambra and have even produced Governor of Anambra State. 3 Likes |
Re: . by GuyWise(m): 7:08pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
Lol |
Re: . by Yyeske(m): 7:14pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza:Nobody had told anyone or group not to associate with whosoever they wish to associate with and please stop comparing the Omambala consciousness to those examples you've been citing because it's all a different ball game, no Anambra man would ever deny his ancestry from now till thy kingdom come, we are Igbos and would always identify ourselves as such. Hope you know that during the coronation of new Igwes, Ezes etc of towns and villages in Igboland, the Ezes, Igwes etc from neighbouring communities they share boundaries with are usually present and this is done not on state to state level but by what cultural affinities they share irrespective of the state the visiting monarch is from. 1 Like |
Re: . by hammerFC: 7:15pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
In Anambra west Onitsha is being claimed by Anioma. In Anambra south Ihiala is being claimed by Imo. In Anambra North Omabala is being claimed by Kogi and Enugu. Ke odi nsogbu di ihia |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 7:28pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
hammerFC: They are not being claimed, they are one people. You can as well do reverse claiming if you wish. For example, we can claim Asaba (Nteje), Ogwashiukwu (Nri), Obomkpa (Nri), Ibusa (Isu Nnewi South). We can claim Nsukka (Nri, called Nshi in those parts ), We can claim the entire Isu clans in Imo and Abia by claiming that we have Isus who are autochthomous in Anambra South. We can claim Ibaji Kogi people . The list is endless. But you cant do this, since you had created an illusion of a monolithic Anambra with a mono culture in your head. You see an Ihiala man as a brother because Gowon drew a line there, but can't think beyond Gowon lines, to see that the Ihiala man you hold unto, is also attached to another by culture and language. You are just being unnecessarily fearful. Holding too firm to artificial creations of Nigeria called states, without understanding the pre colonial kinship amongst groups in Igboland. I don't see Urata people in Imo crying about losing Okigwe , Ideato etc to a new state. Because they know they are not actually kin with those people. I don't see Ezza people crying over Afikpo plans to join the new state, because they know that Ebonyi is an artificial creation. I don't see Nkanu people crying over the plans of Nsukka people to form Adada state. All these groups understand the pre colonial arrangement of Igboland better and they understand the purpose of state creations. 2 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 7:29pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Are their any group claiming any part of Idemili? Dat is the only one left to claim East. |
Re: . by IkpuMmadu: 7:33pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
hammerFC: Which part of Onitsha is claimed by anioma and the last time I checked anioma isn't even a tribe but acronym so which anioma is claiming onitsha and which part of onitsha are they even claiming....80% of onitsha are obosi land except inland from iweka are obosi land So which part of ihiala are they even claiming in imo Ibos are very petty |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 7:34pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
hammerFC: I have seen Anioma supremacists add Obosi and Ogidi as parts of greater Anioma. ![]() But I told them that Asaba(Nteje), Ogwashiukwu(Nri), Ibusa( Isu-Nnewi) Ute Okpu(Nri), Owa(Nri), are by extension, parts of Anambra. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: . by IkpuMmadu: 7:34pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Bros forget Ika ! They aren't igbo period |
Re: . by hammerFC: 7:34pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Eke is wat is stopping dem all from claiming Idemili.
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Re: . by Yyeske(m): 7:45pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza:You failed here again, others may decide not to complain if any part of their state is to be made to form another state but Anambra doesn't buy that idea of removing any part of the state to forming a new one. The pre colonial arrangement you gave was exactly the example I gave about the installing of monarchs which of course isn't done on state basis but on common ancestry. You'd definitely expect monarchs from some parts of Rivers, Imo, Delta and Anambra to attend the coronation of a monarch in Ogbaru because of common ancestry, for that of an Awka monarch, you'd be expecting those from some parts of Enugu, Anambra and maybe Abia and Kogi(Igala) for same reasons, you'd definitely be expecting those from Kogi, Edo, Idemili for any monarch to be coronated in Onitsha and the list goes on and on. Point is contiguity and cultural affinities matters but present consciousness also matters. 1 Like |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 7:45pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
hammerFC: You know, they have Ndemili in Ndokwa/Ukwuani region of Delta state. Seriously brother. You are missing the point I'm passing across. States are for siphoning national cake to the grassroots. If we have the chance, we should create as much state as possible in Igboland. I'm not by any means saying that Anambra should be divided, I'm saying that if we have the opportunity to have additional state in SE, we should grab it and stop being emotional about dividing artificial creations called states. This should be simple to assimilate, but I don't know why you are struggling to do so. The only state in SE that would not cut Anambra is Aba state. But will Anambra really gain by not having part of it used to create new states. If Aba state is created, the remaining part of Abia will have three senators, and Aba will have 3senators, while the rest of Anambra as big as it is, will all fight for three senators. The same thing will apply in national cakes like employment into NDA, Navy, and other FG parastatals, even Ministerial and ambassadorial appointments. Those of you who wish for all us in Anambra to crowd out vying for same number of federal cake, while Abia zone would Now double their portion of the national cake via Aba state creation, are not being practical. You are sacrificing pragmatism on altar of emotionalism. 2 Likes |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:47pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: Next thing Omanbala will become a tribe and adopt the Omanbala consciousness. Trace their roots to Nri and claim distinct ethnic group because of this superiority complex. They don't want to be detached from the Anambra state yet expect Ikwerre, Ndoki or Anioma to detach from Rivers state or Delta states. Clever by half. ![]() Shame on them. Seems those people clamouring Igbos are disunited did a logical research. ![]() |
Re: . by hammerFC: 7:52pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
pazienza: I understand but Ndi Anambra dont want anymore states. Wat we are interested in is the rescue mission for Ndiigbo outside the SE, in particular Middle-belt before heading to Anioma and Edo. 1 Like |
Re: . by Yyeske(m): 7:54pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
Funnicator:I was expecting this all along from you. They can detach if they so want or continue denying their Igboness but we can never do so because we are proudly Igbos and we shout it loud wherever we go. 1 Like |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:59pm On Nov 04, 2018 |
Yyeske: Lol are you people not known across igbo land to have superiority complex? Imagine another member of your state saying on this same thread few hours ago( I can find his post), that no Anambra indigene wants to marry outside of the state. Are other people of lower species? |
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