davidnazee:


That is your interpretation of the photo.. The sitting arrangement was done by federal government not based on historical relevance.,
From the photo you can see that even though Oba of Benin is placed at the back, his symbol of Power is still besides him, if He was sitted right beside the Prince Charles he will still have his Symbol of power beside him.. unlike Oni wey dem drive him own far away..
Oba of Benin remains the most revered and greatest..

odigbosky:



not trying to flame up the heated conversation already. Just wanted to correct you on the impression that the Ada and Eben were given to us by Oronmiyan. sorry ehn....those royal swords and the royal stool were invented by the Ogisos....Go read your GST again

davidnazee:


That is your interpretation of the photo.. The sitting arrangement was done by federal government not based on historical relevance.,
From the photo you can see that even though Oba of Benin is placed at the back, his symbol of Power is still besides him, if He was sitted right beside the Prince Charles he will still have his Symbol of power beside him.. unlike Oni wey dem drive him own far away..
Oba of Benin remains the most revered and greatest..

odigbosky:



not trying to flame up the heated conversation already. Just wanted to correct you on the impression that the Ada and Eben were given to us by Oronmiyan. sorry ehn....those royal swords and the royal stool were invented by the Ogisos....Go read your GST again

TAO11:
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No they weren't and I will give you reasons.

The royal sword is a metal casting you will agree with me. The oral traditions of the Binis tells them that metal casting was taught to them by the Ifes.

Please read about a prominent man in Benin history by the name Igueghae aka Igue-Igha (his life coincides with the reign of Oba Oguola -- the 4th Oba from Oba Eweka). A shrine his dedicated to him for his veneration up till today in Benin at the house of Chief Ine.

He is believed by the Binis to be the man from Uhe (Ile-Ife) to have brought the knowledge of metal casting to the Binis. The Binis had previously imported every metal casting they had from Ile-Ife. So, since his life coincides with Oba Oguola's reign, then the explanation that the royal sword (of Eweka or even earlier) is from Ife is the valid explanation.


Also, regarding the royal stool: Although the Igodomigodos had some form of monarchy prior to Oromiyan's arrival. They had the indigenous form namely the Ogiso-ship monarchy, but since Oromiyan's arrival, they had transitioned completely to a foreign form namely the Oba-ship monarchy.

The transition was not so peaceful as it appears because some chiefs undermined Eweka's authority. The rivalry between the indigenous dynasty of the Ogisos and the foreign dynasty of the Obas is still in Edo folklore and still generates some hard feelings till today. There is a saying which which still echoes the rift i.e. the saying that _Ogiso is what Edos know not Oba_.

In fact, up till today, the land is leased from the Ogiso descendants during the crowning ceremony of an Oba all in an attempt to dampen the rivalry between the two dynasties.

So, while the Ogiso dynasty can be argued to be indigenous to the Edos, the Oba dynasty is foreign and from Ile-Ife precisely after the entrance of the Ile-Ife prince Oromiyan.

I am aware of attempts by some to twist narratives that is well rooted and has since circulated far and wide even outside the shore of Nigeria. I know of some ethnocentric redaction attempts by a Benin historian Omoigui to claim that Oduduwa is one and the same person as a certain Edo prince by the name Ekalederhan which many other Benin sources indicates to have lived centuries after Oromiyan himself.

It is important to mention that all the redaction attempts from the Benin side (e.g. the Ekaladehran and Oduduwa equation) is not found in any of the writings of the foremost and most prominent historian of Benin extraction (Chief Jacob Egharevba) who is considered a primary source on Benin History even my western experts.

Attempts to redact and twist history steps from ethnocentrism and esteem and it is at best a wasted effort, because it usually results in a patchwork which will nonetheless still reveal the seams, something will just not jive in some other areas of the story, contradictions will be manifest.

So, I submit (in light of the evidences I have adduced) that the royal sword was not of Benin origin, neither is the stool as we know it today indigenous to Edo.

TAO11:



proof of how it happened from sources other than my daddy told me? thank you

TAO11:
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Culture and civilizations in the subsaharan region have always had contacts with themselves even before the colonialists. They paid tributes and taxes to themselves depending on superiority which is often defined by the military might of a kingdom, it's wealth, it's technical skills, ancientness, etc.


The Europeans didn't come to rank, they met the rankings and they observed and documented a lot during their over 500 years stay in parts of the region that will later become known as Nigeria. Benin for instance paid tribute to Ife, Eko paid to Benin, amongst others.

And your photo and its accompanying comment just exposed your desperate (you should regret not to have gone that route). That's the Obis palace and not some meeting of Nigeria monarchs.

He welcomed a visitor with whatever he has always welcomed visitors with.

AyakaDunukofia:

Your submission is profoundly unfounded.

Did the British meet the present Nigerians running a single polity? I guess you'll agree with me the answer is No.

Then, how were the traditional stools you mentioned ahead of others in pre British Nigeria when they didn't have anything in common?

You must not type an argument just because you want to type something. Thinking is an essential aspect of a learned discussion.

The British met autonomous entities. And city states with very well respected rulers that were more powerful than the ones mentioned; Jaja of Opobo, Nana of Itshekiri, Oba Ado of Lagos Island, Kings of Bonny, kings of Benin were some of them.

These powerful city states existed without any contact with others in present Nigeria.


See the photo of Ooni at Onitsha, did the chair arrangement make the Ooni less powerful than the Obi? No.

sangresan:



Benin didn't pay any tribute to Ife...Some of you just come online to spew trash here...

In fact, no first class oba in Yorubaland has ever paid the Ooni any tribute.....

Until the time of Oba Adesoji Aderemi, Ooni was just another king in Yorubaland....All the tales you have swallowed about his mythical authority were invented.

Alaafin was the Paramount ruler in Yorubaland....The term "Yoruba" refers to Oyo people, not Ife people. The most acceptable form of written Yoruba is "Oyo" not "Ife"...

Many of you making noise here can't even write a sentence in Ife dialect....Besides, Ooni of Ife isn't among Oduduwa children...He is just like a priest appointed to guard the shrine and burial tomb.

So, I don't know where he derives his so-called power from.

Read history and ask questions...Don't just regurgitate what he heard from your ill-informed uncles...

sangresan:
As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" was first recorded in reference to the Oyo Empire in a treatise written by the 16th century Songhai scholar Ahmed Baba.
It was popularized by Hausa usage and ethnography written in Arabic and Ajami during the 19th century, in origin referring to the Oyo exclusively.
The extension of the term to all speakers of dialects related to the usage of the Oyo (in modern terminology North-West Yoruba) dates to the second half of the 19th century.
Professor Ade Ajayi in “Yoruba Warfare in the Nineteenth century” insisted that during the indirect rule era, it was necessary for the imperialists to give a unique name to the entire towns and people who spoke Yoruba language.
Somehow, they settled for Yoruba. Yoruba is a deviation of Yoruba which the Yoruba people of that century rejected. The Ijebu, Ijesa and Egba rejected this name vehemently but because during the Kiriji war (the Yoruba civil war) where the collapse of Oyo Empire commenced and the signalling factor the imperialists used to prompt the rule over Oyo from covers.
The name Yoruba was foisted on Oyo and Ibadan mainly on documents and slowly the name Yoruba was enshrined in our culture and hence, our appellation. Research shows that the Egba were the last to accept Yoruba as their appellation, reason coming from facts emanating from the first newspaper published in Yorubaland in 1859, goes: Iwe Iroyin Fun Ara Egba Ati Yoruba. This indicates that the Egba refused the name Yoruba as at 1859.
Furthermore, in the Ifa Corpus there's no Odu where we were referred to as Yoruba, rather, it is as Omo Kaaro Ojiire, Omo Oduduwa or Omoluabi.



Is this not what you are struggling to quote?

lol...kindergarten historians on Nairaland...

Egarevba ko, Samuel Johnson ni.

TAO11:




Oga I know all these Storie about the word "Yoruba" and I have written extensively on it in some posts about two days ago. The most likely etymology for it according to experts is the phrase "Oyoroba" an Oya supremist phrase meaning "Oyo is king" which every historian admits comes from the Oyos because of the fact that Oyo grew into a dominant force to reckon with in sub-Saharan Africa and not because they are the most ancient kingdom.

The Oyos know themselves to be descended from Ife. They know their founder to be Oromiyan.

All I am saying is that the fact that all these politically independent countries (which later came to be generically know as Yoruba) adopted the title "Yoruba" is a "non sequitur" argument for your conclusion that Oyo is the most ancient. Such conclusion from you will obviously beg the question of the Origin of where Oyo descended and any answer you give will either contradict your position that they are the most ancient of "Yoruba" kingdoms or it will contradict many widely established historical facts.

Many people initially resisted the title "Yoruba" because it was viewed as an Oyo supremasist phrase which the Oyo repeats not because of it being the most ancient of Yoruba kingdoms (of course they are descended from Ife) but because they grew to become a very mighty, wealthy, and highly civilized state in the sub-saran African region.

Lol ... I know all those but there was no point going into details because it was non-sequittur.

Should I remind you that you conveniently found a way to elope the evidences I presented for the homage paying to Ifes by the Oba of Benis. Also, please note that simply saying "Egharevba ko Samuel Johnson ni" can never be accepted by any serious historian as contrary evidence against what I have claimed about homage paying by the Obas of Benin to Ile Ife which I also substantiated with evidences claim.

Okoroawusa:

One important thing about inferiority complex is that you,the sufferer of the condition, constantly look for opportunities to prove that you are inferior

resurgent4oodua:
Where Obal Rilwan Akiolu in all of these?

I thought the snubbed the Ooni thinking he's a young man?

Ooni is the Arole oodua. Any other Oba is a counterfeit!

TAO11:
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No they weren't and I will give you reasons.

The royal sword is a metal casting you will agree with me. The oral traditions of the Binis tells them that metal casting was taught to them by the Ifes.

Please read about a prominent man in Benin history by the name Igueghae aka Igue-Igha (his life coincides with the reign of Oba Oguola -- the 4th Oba from Oba Eweka). A shrine his dedicated to him for his veneration up till today in Benin at the house of Chief Ine.

He is believed by the Binis to be the man from Uhe (Ile-Ife) to have brought the knowledge of metal casting to the Binis. The Binis had previously imported every metal casting they had from Ile-Ife. So, since his life coincides with Oba Oguola's reign, then the explanation that the royal sword (of Eweka or even earlier) is from Ife is the valid explanation.


Also, regarding the royal stool: Although the Igodomigodos had some form of monarchy prior to Oromiyan's arrival. They had the indigenous form namely the Ogiso-ship monarchy, but since Oromiyan's arrival, they had transitioned completely to a foreign form namely the Oba-ship monarchy.

The transition was not so peaceful as it appears because some chiefs undermined Eweka's authority. The rivalry between the indigenous dynasty of the Ogisos and the foreign dynasty of the Obas is still in Edo folklore and still generates some hard feelings till today. There is a Benin saying which still echoes the rift i.e. the saying that _Ogiso is what Edos know not Oba_. In fact, up till today, the land is leased from the Ogiso descendants during the crowning ceremony of an Oba, all in an attempt to dampen the rivalry between the two dynasties.

So, while the Ogiso dynasty can be argued to be indigenous to the Edos, the Oba dynasty is foreign and from Ile-Ife precisely after the entrance of the Ile-Ife prince Oromiyan.

I am aware of attempts by some to twist narratives that is well rooted and has since circulated far and wide even outside the shore of Nigeria. I know of some ethnocentric redaction attempts by a Benin historian Omoigui to claim that Oduduwa is one and the same person as a certain Edo prince by the name Ekalederhan which many other Benin sources indicates to have lived centuries after Oromiyan himself.

It is important to mention that all the redaction attempts from the Benin side (e.g. the Ekaladehran and Oduduwa equation) is not found in any of the writings of the foremost and most prominent historian of Benin extraction (Chief Jacob Egharevba) who is considered a primary source on Benin History even by western experts.

Attempts to redact and twist history stems from ethnocentrism and esteem issues and it is at best a wasted effort, because it usually results in a patchwork which will nonetheless still reveal the seams, something will just not jive in some other areas of the story, contradictions will be manifest.

So, I submit (in light of the evidences I have adduced) that the royal sword was not of Benin origin, neither is the stool as we know it today indigenous to Edo.

AyakaDunukofia:

Your submission is profoundly unfounded.

Did the British meet the present Nigerians running a single polity? I guess you'll agree with me the answer is No.

Then, how were the traditional stools you mentioned ahead of others in pre British Nigeria when they didn't have anything in common?

You must not type an argument just because you want to type something. Thinking is an essential aspect of a learned discussion.

The British met autonomous entities. And city states with very well respected rulers that were more powerful than the ones mentioned; Jaja of Opobo, Nana of Itshekiri, Oba Ado of Lagos Island, Kings of Bonny, kings of Benin were some of them.

These powerful city states existed without any contact with others in present Nigeria.


See the photo of Ooni at Onitsha, did the chair arrangement make the Ooni less powerful than the Obi? No.

TAO11:
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No they weren't and I will give you reasons.

The royal sword is a metal casting you will agree with me. The oral traditions of the Binis tells them that metal casting was taught to them by the Ifes.

Please read about a prominent man in Benin history by the name Igueghae aka Igue-Igha (his life coincides with the reign of Oba Oguola -- the 4th Oba from Oba Eweka). A shrine his dedicated to him for his veneration up till today in Benin at the house of Chief Ine.

He is believed by the Binis to be the man from Uhe (Ile-Ife) to have brought the knowledge of metal casting to the Binis. The Binis had previously imported every metal casting they had from Ile-Ife. So, since his life coincides with Oba Oguola's reign, then the explanation that the royal sword (of Eweka or even earlier) is from Ife is the valid explanation.


Also, regarding the royal stool: Although the Igodomigodos had some form of monarchy prior to Oromiyan's arrival. They had the indigenous form namely the Ogiso-ship monarchy, but since Oromiyan's arrival, they had transitioned completely to a foreign form namely the Oba-ship monarchy.

The transition was not so peaceful as it appears because some chiefs undermined Eweka's authority. The rivalry between the indigenous dynasty of the Ogisos and the foreign dynasty of the Obas is still in Edo folklore and still generates some hard feelings till today. There is a Benin saying which still echoes the rift i.e. the saying that _Ogiso is what Edos know not Oba_. In fact, up till today, the land is leased from the Ogiso descendants during the crowning ceremony of an Oba, all in an attempt to dampen the rivalry between the two dynasties.

So, while the Ogiso dynasty can be argued to be indigenous to the Edos, the Oba dynasty is foreign and from Ile-Ife precisely after the entrance of the Ile-Ife prince Oromiyan.

I am aware of attempts by some to twist narratives that is well rooted and has since circulated far and wide even outside the shore of Nigeria. I know of some ethnocentric redaction attempts by a Benin historian Omoigui to claim that Oduduwa is one and the same person as a certain Edo prince by the name Ekalederhan which many other Benin sources indicates to have lived centuries after Oromiyan himself.

It is important to mention that all the redaction attempts from the Benin side (e.g. the Ekaladehran and Oduduwa equation) is not found in any of the writings of the foremost and most prominent historian of Benin extraction (Chief Jacob Egharevba) who is considered a primary source on Benin History even by western experts.

Attempts to redact and twist history stems from ethnocentrism and esteem issues and it is at best a wasted effort, because it usually results in a patchwork which will nonetheless still reveal the seams, something will just not jive in some other areas of the story, contradictions will be manifest.

So, I submit (in light of the evidences I have adduced) that the royal sword was not of Benin origin, neither is the stool as we know it today indigenous to Edo.

ImperialYoruba:


Abeg which kind tin be dis you dey call a whole monarch such name. I dont like that. Lets respect kings abeg. You can attack the people but not kings. Abeg stop it.

DeLaRue:
Sultan & Ooni seated on the right & left of Charles. Obi of Onitsha, Emir of Kano, Oba of Benin (Isn't that him in burgundy?) sitted one row behind, as if they are junior. The Obi should be at the front too so that all 3 major groups are duly acknowledged.

I wonder how the federal govt decided that Ooni & Sultan are the most senior.

May be, I'm making too much out of this, but I doubt I am.

rummmy:
Amanyanabo begins and ends in certain part of Rivers state bro...

TAO11:
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Culture and civilizations in the subsaharan region have always had contacts with themselves even before the colonialists. They paid tributes and taxes to themselves depending on superiority which is often defined by the military might of a kingdom, it's wealth, it's technical skills, ancientness, etc.


The Europeans didn't come to rank, they met the rankings and they observed and documented a lot during their over 500 years stay in parts of the region that will later become known as Nigeria. Benin for instance paid tribute to Ife, Eko paid to Benin, amongst others.

And your photo and its accompanying comment just exposed your desperation (you should regret going that route). That's the Obis palace and not some meeting of Nigeria monarchs.

He welcomed a visitor with whatever he has always welcomed visitors with.

Kayharry:
Everyone sha want his or her traditional ruler at the front.Igbo people with problem forgeting that obi is just like baale of a village