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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 5:12am On Nov 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Can you see the logic of trying to convince others of one's subjective truth? That's what Joseph1013 requested of me without realising he was asking me to provide evidence that could be said to have been cooked up in my mind. Yes, it's called "alternative fact", and is sweeping the world. People can now decide what gender they are, it seems. A Dutchman, 69, brings lawsuit to lower his age by 20 years. And there's a girl trying to change her racial identity. I do not buy into such thinking yet, myself. One does not make up figments of the imagination in ones head and expect others to accept it. Gods may very well be figments of the imagination according to buda, but to others, buda is a fool. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 7:59am On Nov 11, 2018 |
LordReed:i wrote earlier proving god empirically is very difficult but not immpossible.it is difficult because we don't have the data for every single atom or particle in the universe (the set containing all physical phenomena). And even if we did it might change the next year or there might be dimensions we were not even checking. Unless you yourself can provide a guaranty or impressive data to test it. And not the usual measurement you bring forth, it sound illogical. So even if you go further, by changing your question to be more scientifically relevant (i.e falsification instead of simply testing ) then your “God” is poorly defined. Your God is different to the next guys even if you are using christainity/muslim standard. Science can only falsify things that objectively have the same properties to any observer (with all other things constant).as i made mention earlier Blah blah blah subjective yet you cannot provide anything. I asked youwhat you are asking for is illogical as i had earlier explained, you can't ask me to provide evidence that we don't have constraint for or we are yet to unanimously agree to the kind of specific data to check. It is like you asking me to start looking for where turkey is situated in europe map.( when consensus agreement had not proven the exact location, The only evidence we can give is logical proof (i.e)by the location of the map, we know turkey is staggering between Europe and Asia) and hence calling it asia is not false idea and likewise seeing it as europe also is not entirely wrong.. Instead you come up with vague nonsense on subjectivity. Provide clear solid answers instead of the vague shit you are always bringing up.i am sure you are not making any meaningful point apart from the usual adjective here . I am asking you once again, what is this clear solid answer you will want, hope you will find a meaningful and consensus data to pin on this time around. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 8:27am On Nov 11, 2018 |
vaxx: You are illogical in asking me this question when I repeated the answer twice now. LordReed: Provide an answer to that, that is clear and concise. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 8:49am On Nov 11, 2018 |
LordReed:You are still reaping this illogical statement when i have ask you to provide what and what should be measured ( at lesst consensus agreement) and i had even try to expose you to 100 yard football length as an example of consensus measurement Give us what should be measure base on consensus agreement.? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 9:22am On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:i am still trying to wrapped my head about her personal assertion, Anyway she is wrong because she is invalidating objective fact that we unanimously agree to be the consensus factor . Infact that is what is term in medical language as delusion . Another point of veiw, she may be lacking self awareness, You know she is used to culture that is dominated by white supremacy from food, cloth, books etc , i am sure if she is handle politely with much care of love and attention, she will open up with the real fact . At least she might have a positive reason for living in her own different world,( most impressive minded individual had once be consider crazy by the society due to their strange idea) i also watch a similar youtube video of a particular white girl, who also thinks she is black. One thing i notice about the two videos is their use of vulgar word against the black race and celibrating white supremacy ? Could it be low self esteem or excessive drug abuse? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MuttleyLaff: 10:39am On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:Have you paid anyone for your intellect, the ability to think, to acquire and apply knowledge? budaatum:The capacity/ability is a gift budaatum:What did you pay or give in return for the inherent ability? If nothing, then suffice to say, it is a gift then budaatum:I never said an ability or capacity is exacty a skill How are you so sure, I most certainly, most likely would not allow you fly an aeroplane and/or perform open heart surgery? budaatum:False modesty! budaatum:You intelligently argue and intelligently discuss budaatum:becoming more intelligent. We, afterall, are work in progress, hopefully getting better by the day. It ain't over till it's over budaatum:Exactly, the emboldened budaatum:You believe you have the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge,. You are not saying it is a figment of your imagination that you have the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge. From what you know of me, do you remain inclined to accept my observation that God exists and that it most likely isn't a figment of an imagination, without regard to empirical or fantastic evidence budaatum:I am pleased to read you agreeing and accepting that everyone has intellectual/mental capacity You didnt give a valid answer though All the work you claim to have done, is product of your ability, and is not the source of your ability Kini orisun agbara, agbari ati abinibi yi gbogbo, ti oun demonstrate kaakiri? Where's the ability from, who and/or what gave you the ability? budaatum:Saying you intelligently argue and intelligently discuss, covers the whole spectrum budaatum:Let me rephrase the question Are you 100% certain of the Whats behind your ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge? budaatum:Please dont go off the wrong foot. Very importantly recognise that, Genesis used "God", whilst Psalm and John, used "gods" budaatum:Are you deliberately trying to be obfuscated and difficult to follow. budaatum:Gen 3:5 didnt say that inverted commas comment What kind of bible is that read and deduced from? budaatum:Whats the point you're making with this comment? budaatum:God moves in mysterious ways Respect the God and god(s) syntaxes though |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 10:53am On Nov 11, 2018 |
vaxx:Wrong! The girl in the video does not seem to have anything resembling "same properties to any observer", yet you claim her assertion is false, and that she is deluded, and on drugs - and specifically because her properties do not correspond to those observed by you! The fact that someone is being subjective has no relevance to truth that is objective. When a tree falls in a forest, it falls, whether seen or not. And there is no way that I could possibly convince a Ferrari salesperson to give me a spanking brand new red Ferrari in exchange for the imaginary million pounds in my bank account, yet, at least. One can cook up anything in one's own head and call it truth, but if the observables do not correspond to the cooked up, deluded, is the right response. Do note however, that since we can't seem to agree on what the properties of gods are, we cannot objectively prove whether gods exist or not, so we cook up things in our heads and call it 'objective truth', falsely. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 10:56am On Nov 11, 2018 |
vaxx: Please stop being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe a god exists so why should I propose a method to examine that which I don't believe exists? You who claims a god exists should be the one proposing a method by which we can both look at and agree that it would be a good starting point. Please don't give me stupid shit about subjectivity, please. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MuttleyLaff: 10:59am On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:In the style of Psalm 82:6 or John 10:34, dont you know you are gods? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 11:04am On Nov 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Yes muttley, I have paid a huge portion of every penny I ever owned and most of my time alive acquiring the ability you mention. My parents started it off by paying for my education, and I continued it by investing in books and learning to reason. MuttleyLaff:You just sound way too smart to be that stupid! MuttleyLaff:I believe nothing of the sort! I know it as a fact! I afterall have sufficient evidence that I am able to acquire, have acquired, and developed in knowledge over a long period. It would be silly considering, to continue to believe what I know for a fact. MuttleyLaff:No. I am not inclined to accept your observation that God exists, since I have no corroborating evidence to support what you say you observe. The best I can do is say, you say so. MuttleyLaff:I still insist that the ability is developed through learning. I did start from "googoo gaga" at age 0, you know! MuttleyLaff:Learning, muttley. You can state this question however you like and I'd still give you the same answer, I think. MuttleyLaff:We have done this before, and I asked you to know that my choice is intentional and that I never mistake the two. I mean 'god' here as that's exactly what I mean despite how they appear in the texts. MuttleyLaff:The bav, buda authorised version. A translation based on buda's understanding. No copies available, I'm afraid. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 11:16am On Nov 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Yes. Except good cooks like Jesus cook it up in the heads of others too, but most don't seem to comprehend it. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 11:21am On Nov 11, 2018 |
LordReed:Muttley, remember the thread I once proposed titled "What is God?" It's a buffer that's always hit! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 11:26am On Nov 11, 2018 |
LordReed:LOL.......The evidence strike you at the face now, (you can only hide under this statement.) But remmeber you were the one promoting the assertion of ""No evidence"" for God existence in which i quote you for. I said you are lying as there are probable evidence(i.e)physical universe is enough evidence because that is what we have as consensus reality, we both can see it and can scientifically scrutinise it. Yet you still demanded for emperical claim of this God (probably you think he should be the one sitting on the throne with golden crown on his head and white beard all over his face while some 24 elders are shouting halleluya by his sides Or perharps you have your unique identification of God. If it is the later, can you pls tell us, if it is fhe former, i must tell you, your idea of God is myopic, even christain will laugh at you. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 11:34am On Nov 11, 2018 |
Sorry vaxx, that I seem to be pointing out errors in your reasoning, especially knowing they are likely to rub you up the wrong way. I am just incapable of ignoring. vaxx:First, "probable evidence" is not evidence. And there is no consensus that the physical universe is evidence for gods. If there were consensus that it was, we would not be arguing about it. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 11:42am On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:Delustional people thinks it is totally normal and they are free. Here, the properties she is observing is totally diffrence from me and you( based on consensus agreement) She is having thought disorder symptoms because her particular pattern of thought failed to agree with majority. My claim are valid based on the consensus agreements related to the symptoms of delusion.. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MuttleyLaff: 11:50am On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:You're kicking off target. Have you paid anyone for the inherent ability, the inborn ability? budaatum:Has nothing to do with stupidity. If I can take your claim or word to the bank, why wouldnt I. It'll be the best smart and wise thing to do budaatum:Pardon my choice of word So from or at what age did you start to know you have the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge then? budaatum:"It may very well be a figment of your imagination that buda is intelligent, but from what I know of you, I am inclined to accept your observation that it most likely isn't a figment of your imagination. Do not hesitate to let me know if you have observed buda wrongly please, in the figmentation of your imagination perhaps, without regard to evidence" - budaatum at 5:00am You earlier, didnt need corroborating evidence to support what I say I observe about you, but now changing tune, you fascinatingly do. Interesting. budaatum:Before learning, what brought on the ability and/or where did the ability come from? What's the brain behind this ability phenomenon? budaatum:What instilled the learning desire? Who injected it, where did learning quest come from? budaatum:Be sincere now and stick to how they are used in the bible. Genesis 3:5, used God, and gods, is used in Psalm 82:6 or John 10:34 budaatum:No wonder |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 11:51am On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:probable evidence is hypothetical evidence, it gives allowance for scrutiny and falsification. It can be probe. There is consensus agreement we have a physical universe right? What we do not have is the consensus agreement that the physical universe can have mind on its own? Unless you both can prove ortherwise, then there will be no need of God and hence pin the universe to that truth. At least i have given reasons in my created thread as to why the universe can't spring from nothing ( it violate science and logic) |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 11:57am On Nov 11, 2018 |
vaxx: Show me anywhere I claimed god is sitting on a throne. Look if you have nothing better to do you can go and count the sand on the seashore and stop disturbing me with inane ramblings. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MuttleyLaff: 12:06pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:Jesus, in John 10:34, re-echoed what, David, in the spirit mentioned in Psalm 82:6 so what exactly was ccoked in the heads of others too and what is it, that most dont seem to comprehend? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 12:12pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
LordReed:lol, i get you, and i think you were an atheist as a result of inteligence..... perhaps we believer are deluded as Richard darwkin put it"".(what an irony ) But anyway peace, i am having a good fun here. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 12:37pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:We agreed that the inherent ability to learn is something all humans have, and that's the limit of my knowledge. I am not one to fill in ignorance with things cooked up in the head! Nor do I claim to know it all. MuttleyLaff:I became aware at seven years old after ma beat reading into me. MuttleyLaff:You are being disingenuous! There is corroborating evidence, some which you even provided, which allows me to be inclined to take your word for it in this case, and none for the case for God or gods. Besides, you know from experience that the above does not imply that I take your word for it all the time! MuttleyLaff:I repeat: We agreed that the inherent ability is something all humans have, and that's the limit of my knowledge. I am not one to fill in my ignorance with things cooked up in the head! Nor do I claim to know it all. MuttleyLaff:First, I became aware of pa hallowed by a lamp with his head stuck in what I latter understood were books. I cannot say how old I was at the time, but my observation was made from inside my cot which I lost use of at exactly 2 years, 2 months, and 19 days into my existence. So let's say by 3 years old. Ma beating the contents of a book into me at age 7, made me realise I could learn. Prior to that, I was "a for apple, b for ball, c for cat, dog, elephant, fish, sheep", at which point a three pronged koboko landed on my head followed by "is that sheep"? With finger pointing to what seemed to me to be a sheep, since where I was coming from goats did not exist. It was at point of koboko landing on my head a few more times and tears streaming down my face that I was eventually clued in to the fact that those squiggly things under the picture were relevant, and after a few more landings of the koboko I could read. MuttleyLaff:I am being very sincere! The use in the Bible does not convey my understanding! You are not God Yahweh, which does not exist, or at least, is irrelevant, as far as I am concerned. And Christ taught me this when he surrogates you whom I see for some god, Yahweh God, to be specific, an idol and graven image that is claimed to be in heaven, both of which I see not and have no evidence for. One is a god, if one realises one is one, which I chose to do. I may not bow down and worship you, god Muttley, since I am bade not to create and bow down to graven images and idols, but hopefully the regard and respect I show you, if I so happen to show any, suffices. Please get the meaning of what I say, instead of trying to make me say what you want me to mean. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 12:47pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Most do not comprehend that they are gods, muttley, and everything shall be done to ensure they never do know least they reach out and pluck of the fruits of the tree of life and live forever as Christ appears to have done. For the extent to which those referred to as Gen 3:5 God shall make sure this comprehension never happens, please read up on what was done to the one I claim knew. The current understanding is what is cooked up in the head by Gen 3:5, and the better more accurate version is being cooked in the head in John by he who came to free one from the Gen 3:5 cooking. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MuttleyLaff: 3:26pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
budaatum:I admire your admission of the limit of your knowledge. Perhaps, as regards to the existence of God, there is a limit of your knowledge you're Ok with to admit too. It's astonishing, here is you being one not to fill in ignorance with things cooked up in the head and one who doesnt claim to know it all but yet is adamant God doesnt exist budaatum:You see, your unawareness didnt mean the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge wasnt existing before you became aware of it. Same applies to the existence of God budaatum. budaatum:Trumped-up charge! Unfounded accusation. You voluntarily offered me a window of opportunity to explore budaatum:Remember you ended the entire inverted commas with "... without regard to evidence" budaatum:You are so sure of non existence God You easily cook up in your head that there is no God You fill in your ignorance of God with things cooked up in your head that God doesnt exist budaatum:2 years, 2 months, and 19 days yeah? You got more jokes? budaatum:Let's break it very very down Your first pee, your first cry, your first yawn, your first body stretch, your first sleep, your first smile etcetera who implanted those abilities? budaatum:Lets stick with the bible way and using the bible designations first. When done, we can afterwards do it your way, if you're still interested budaatum:You're intelligently arguing that God doesnt exist and at least is irrelevant. 1/ Dont know that God is Christ, and Christ is God? 2/ Please tell, how Yahweh God is graven 3/ Dont you know that God is a Spirit, and you can not ordinarily see God with physical eyes? 4/ You're opaqued to ample evidences for/of God, arent you? budaatum:Please explain in toto, the intricacies of one being a god, according to how Jesus, in John 10:34, re-echoed what, David, in the spirit mentioned in Psalm 82:6 John 10:34-37 has the full gist budaatum:"25As Peter entered his home, Cornelius fell at his feet and worshiped him. 26But Peter pulled him up and said, “Stand up! I’m a human being just like you!" - Acts 10:25-26 You do know that, John 10:34, that re-echoed what, David, in the spirit mentioned in Psalm 82:6, has nothing to do with graven images or idols, dont you? Hmm? budaatum:Please get the meaning that, it has nothing to do with me trying to make you say what I want you to mean but a lot and all, to do with what the bible says and truthfully means |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 4:27pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:While you appear to be asking me questions, you are actually trying to lead me to answers that you would rather I give it would seem! Are you sure that you really think I am as intelligent as you claimed I was? The limits of my knowledge do not extend to gods, muttley! I have stated that rather clearly and unequivocally with no doubt. It does not have to please you, nor do you have to accept it, just know that is buda's view and move on, if you can. MuttleyLaff:Do you not see that you are comparing skills that we agree that buda has with a god we both have different opinions about its existence? To begin with, there is clear unrefutably evidence that buda exists, and I do have evidence for how buda came about, both of which do not exist where gods are concerned! MuttleyLaff:Go read again. You seem to have not quite got my meaning. I never said I am ignorant about gods. I've done far too much research into the topic to make such a claim. However, if you claim I cooked it up in my head, I would not argue the point with you. I'd just accept that that is your opinion, and let it be. Note that I also refused to provide my research to joseph. MuttleyLaff:To be exact. I lost my cot at this point in my existence. MuttleyLaff:See the link "how buda came about", above. MuttleyLaff:No can do! You don't get to dictate the words that I choose to use. You are free to be disinterested at this point. MuttleyLaff:No! I am not arguing that God does not exist. I am categorically stating that God, and all other gods, do not exist as far as I am concerned, and you are trying to get me to argue with you, but I am trying with all my might not to! It seems relevant to you, and I'd bear this in mind. MuttleyLaff:Christ is not God! There are threads on the subject, please go read views. You yourself have commented on the subject! MuttleyLaff:Yahweh is a mythical creation of the authors of the Bible. While Christ possibly existed and was deified as a god. God, Yahweh, is the deification of a figment of the imagination. MuttleyLaff:I am an atheist, muttley. You might as well claim I can't see unicorns until I fill my eyes with corn and sound equally as silly, as far as I am concerned. MuttleyLaff:Opaque to ample evidence that doesn't exist of what does not exist? Ok, if you think so. I shall take it as a compliment. In fact. Thank you. MuttleyLaff:No, muttley, I shall not explain this any further at this point in time because I think it is way above your level to comprehend if I tried since you're so stuck on the size of a 'g'! We shall arrive back at it some day though. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 7:46pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
Enough said,u guyz are derailing this wonderful thread,Op do something unless u want ur thread to die off 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:45am On Nov 12, 2018 |
darkchild64: Don't worry...the derailment will die a natural death...it always does. 3 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:30am On Nov 13, 2018 |
GOD IS DEAD--OFFICIAL While theists continue in their search for the evidence to prove to us that their version of god exists, we can only continue to remind them of our findings. For one, theists believe God is not an inanimate object but a living thing. But is there any sense in which God could be living? A living thing must have ALL of the following characteristics: 1) An organised structure Since God is immaterial, he cannot have a structure, organised or otherwise. 2) Requires energy to sustain existence God cannot require energy to exist, since he is said to have existed for an infinite time before anything existed, so he must exist independently of an energy source. 3) The ability to grow God is said to be unchanging, so we can safely conclude that he cannot grow. It's not even coherent to say that an immaterial thing could grow. 4) The ability to metabolise Without a material body, it is inconceivable that God could either breath or eat, digest and excrete, so we have to conclude he cannot metabolise. 5) The ability to respond to stimuli This characteristic is untestable, since we do not know of any way to apply a stimulus to an undetectable, immaterial being. Consequently, we cannot say God passes this test. To be classified as a living thing, God must pass ALL of these tests, yet we find God is unable to pass ANY of them. If this were an exam, we could not talk about God getting a poor mark--he can't even turn up to sit the exam! This is absolute and total failure. So take down all your God is Love! and Jesus lives! posters. God is now dead. Officially. 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 9:06am On Nov 13, 2018 |
joseph1013:You guys are really close minded, You never give room to other alternative. I keep on saying it that the physical universe is enough evidence for God. Lets look at this perspective..... Is fire and water a living thing? ""Disclaimer "" i fully understand fire and water are not living things. But however i am going to give it a shoot. Fire and water both constituted of basic units. Fire is nothing more than a combustion reaction, and the resulting flame is the visible manifestation of the reaction. The intense heat of the fire vaporizes the fuel source, and, as the vaporized fuel interacts with air particles (free atoms and molecules), a glowing flame is produced. The glow is light emitted from the exited electrons of the air particles. In other words, the basic unit of a flame is the particles of air. Those particles can be thought of as a type of cell, the basic unit of the existent flame. Water is also composed of basic units. These units are called molecules, and they are of the form H2O (hydrogen and oxygen. Water is the source of life, that most of the animate lifes depends on. It seems paradoxical, how can inanimate become a source of life to animate object? But that is the wonders of universe. Infact the major source of life are inanimate (Air, sunlight and water) God can actually be an inanimate object, yet still still remain a source of life to everyone . |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 10:57am On Nov 13, 2018 |
joseph1013:I can see the level your frustrations has gravitated to, for i'm very certain it didn't begin this way but this is the product of the culmination of your frustrations towards God in this respect over a long period of time. Next thing it would be that you directly want to work for the devil, to crown all your frustrations and rage in this respect! I can emphatize with you to an extent, because I walk with God, and frustration is part and parcel of man's walk with God on earth! If you doubt me, you can ask Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, David, Elijah, John the Baptist etc., and you'll see that frustration with God was something they all had in common. I mean when you have a certain John the baptist, who was so sure that Jesus was the messiah for whom he was sent to prepare the way, that he said with full confidence of him, "behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world", but would later now send people to ask the same Jesus, "are you the one that was to come or shall we look for another?" then you would understand that the difference was frustration. But even if we assume that it was because they were just men who inherited the condemnation of sin from Adam, then what about Jesus the only begotten Son of God, who had no such condemnation but also asked God out of frustration, to take the cup away from Him, which of course God didn't oblige him. And then when He was on the cross, also asked out of frustration, "My God My God, why has Thou forsaken Me?" So certainly frustration is very integral to man's walk with God, hence anyone who doesn't expect to be frustrated in this respect should not even bother entering in, otherwise you'd only see yourself starting a journey you are not able to finish. Perhaps that's the only difference between those of us who make it, and people like you who give up, the fact that such frustrations didn't stop or deter us, but only made us stronger in who we are, and what we believe in! By the way in your post at the beginning of this thread you said you asked a question when you were still a child which you didn't get an answer to, I don't know if that's still the case. But if so you should understand that Adam was said to have also had daughters(Gen 5:4), and then it was not unusual if one married his blood sister, and then also take into consideration their average lifespan at the time, meant that someone could marry someone five hundred years their junior or even more. So if Cain had married, he could have married any one of them! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by SimplySEA(m): 4:48am On Nov 14, 2018 |
Mujtahida: You took that scripture completely out of context. That's terrible of you. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Mujtahida: 5:11am On Nov 14, 2018 |
SimplySEA:This is what I understand from that scripture: the scripture holds the promise that in the New Covenant God relates directly to each man unlike the proxy set up of the old testament. That scripture takes it root from Jeremiah. More pointedly forget about the context. Look at the meaning. Bottom line is that I'm opposed and vehemently too to that god who has a select choice of persons who he relays his messages to the people. It's plain fraud. Once I deprogrammed from religion I could easily see the charade. And priestcraft wants, sustains and perpetuates the proxy set up and opposes the idea that God should speak directly to everyman. Like the ancient Egyptians and some other ancient peoples the sun is my God - no proxies, no intermediaries, no offerings, it never takes, it only gives, it never discriminates, it shines on all. I have gotten to the point where deep within my soul I know that Jehovah is a colossal fraud. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:35am On Nov 14, 2018 |
jesusjnr: You expect me to work for the devil, a fictional character who has been made up to serve as Jehovah's alibi? |
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