Abuheekmat:



see this fool o.. I ask you several questions and I asked you to answer with dalil... you didn't answer..

you are only ranting..

laughing.. so dull..

Lolxxxxx, you think I have time for people of jabatiyya.

I no get your time now. You can call me a fool from now till tomorrow, Shuuuuuuu, na so jabata dey do. it's not new to us

Abuheekmat:
mufti menk is a kafir

I can't stop laughing Oooooh, can u see what I was talking about, takfeery people, they only know how to kafara. Jabata's congregation that has dissociate finish, hahaha. Now that Abu ibeji is gone, who is next to leave? maybe u.

AbdulHakeem44:


I can't stop laughing Oooooh, can u see what I was talking about, takfeery people, they only know how to kafara. Jabata's congregation that has dissociate finish, hahaha. Now that Abu ibeji is gone, who is next to leave? maybe u.

everyone has already seen how dull you are and it's clear to them that you know exactly absolutely nothing about islam. all you do is rant..


Mufti menk does taawil of quran with is logic
mufti menk has no al walah wabarah
mufti menk is no scholar of islam, he's just a dolumudil

AbdulHakeem44:


I can't stop laughing Oooooh, can u see what I was talking about, takfeery people, they only know how to kafara. Jabata's congregation that has dissociate finish, hahaha. Now that Abu ibeji is gone, who is next to leave? maybe u.

every sane person knows abu ibeji is a kafir. he himself knows he's a kafir.

like I said, all you do is rant..

when you are asked questions about islam now , you will lock up

AbdulHakeem44:


Lolxxxxx, you think I have time for people of jabatiyya.

I no get your time now. You can call me a fool from now till tomorrow, Shuuuuuuu, na so jabata dey do. it's not new to us

explain just 1 reason.. just 1 reason that jabata is a kafir.

then bring dalil from kitab wa sunnah to back yourself up

and explain

Abuheekmat:



explain just 1 reason.. just 1 reason that jabata is a kafir.

then bring dalil from kitab wa sunnah to back yourself up

and explain

Lolxxxxx, was kafir part of the title I gave to jabata, go back and read my comments jor, I don't have ur time.

Apart from jabata, can you name one scholar in southwest pls

Abuheekmat:


everyone has already seen how dull you are and it's clear to them that you know exactly absolutely nothing about islam. all you do is rant..


Mufti menk does taawil of quran with is logic
mufti menk has no al walah wabarah
mufti menk is no scholar of islam, he's just a dolumudil

Abuheekmat:


everyone has already seen how dull you are and it's clear to them that you know exactly absolutely nothing about islam. all you do is rant..


Mufti menk does taawil of quran with is logic
mufti menk has no al walah wabarah
mufti menk is no scholar of islam, he's just a dolumudil

Abuheekmat:



explain just 1 reason.. just 1 reason that jabata is a kafir.

then bring dalil from kitab wa sunnah to back yourself up

and explain

Lolxxxxx, was kafir part of the title I gave to jabata, go back and read my comments jor, I don't have ur time.

Apart from jabata, can you name one scholar in southwest pls

AbdulHakeem44:


I can't stop laughing Oooooh, can u see what I was talking about, takfeery people, they only know how to kafara. Jabata's congregation that has dissociate finish, hahaha. Now that Abu ibeji is gone, who is next to leave? maybe u.

Abuheekmat:



explain just 1 reason.. just 1 reason that jabata is a kafir.

then bring dalil from kitab wa sunnah to back yourself up

and explain

Lolxxxxx, was kafir part of the title I gave to jabata, go back and read my comments jor, I don't have ur time.

Apart from jabata, can you name one scholar in southwest pls

Which scholar has called mufti menk a kafir except your jahil murokab jabata. Am not even serious to be arguing with someone with jabatawisky virus. Nonsense. I pray ALLāh opened ur eyes to the truth and not let u die following jabata blindly.

To correct you, Ustadh Sarumi practices sufism for a very long time, you can call to ask him. secondly, speaking about aqeedah all the time is not fard ayn but fard kifayah. If other scholars are discussing and I am not it and I do not go against scholars discussing it I am not. I can be a scholar specializing in Fiqh and Akhlaq, and if anyone approaches me for issues of aqeedah, I can refer them to scholars of such. It does not mean I do not have the right aqeedah myself. So lets get that. I am not telling you not to negate as nafiyy is allowed in Islam. What I am saying is call him to correct him, thats sunnah and stop maligning his person by posting all these around. For you to say he is skipping a verse, do you know why? Are you in his heart? Have you called him to confirm he is speaking it because of that? Has he told you he is a deobandi?

AbdulHakeem44:


Let me reply this bcoz you talk sensibly.
Ustadh sarumi case is different because he went to Sudan to learn, where he studied pristine Islam and not suffiya that he was brought upon.

Mufti menk, after concluding studies in Medina university, he went to deobandi school of thought in India for further studies which he exhibited their traits, for example, deobandi believes that ALLāh is not upon the arsh as believed by many Muslims, so whenever mufti menk is giving tafseer of the Quran, whenever he reaches that verse, he skips it and go to the next verse, only those who listens well will understand this.ayn He was giving a tafseer of Suratu TaHa, when he reached verse 5,he skipped, same for every verse where's such appears. Give me a recording of any tafseer lecture where mufti menk gives an explanation to such verse.

Talking about aqeeda is fard ayn, aqeeda matters most, if ur aqeedatu tawheed isn't sound enough it's a problem. The prophet spent 13 years in makkah preaching about tawheed only, why? what is the use of your solat, siyam, hajj, Zakariya without strong tawheed, that is the basis of Islam.

Unfortunately, people just say lailaha ila ALLāh without knowing the meaning, no Muslim will tell you that ALLāh is two or three or three in one, but yet, their it won't reflect in their actions and sayings. this is why aqeeda is of paramount importance.

TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE WE DON'T CONDEMN IN ISLAM, THE FIRST WORD OF ENTRANCE INTO ISLAM "LA ILAHA " IS A CONDEMNATION OF EVERY FALSE DEITY OR GODS, AND THEN "ILA ALLĀH " IS AFFIRMATION OF THE ONENESS OF ALLĀH SUBHANAHU WA TAALA.

to balance, you condemn falsehood and establish the truth.

AbdulHakeem44:


Lolxxxxx,

can you now see tin line btw your manhaj and his jabata manhaj?. There is striking resemblance. He just say it as it is while you shy away from coming out of closet.

He doesn't believe all other sects are Muslims, period. Likewise you don't believe all other sects are rightly guided unless and until they become salafiya.

So you indirectly say all other sects are hell bound base on your own imaginary "saved sect". And what you said up there about la ilaha (negation) ila Allahu (affirmation), I don't know exactly what you tried to derived from that. Instead you had to come up with Deobandi believe that Allah is not upon His Arsh. This is a matter of tawil not necessarily aqeeda. Every muslim believe Quran exactly has it was revealed. That's how we recite on salat. But that doesn't mean there is no tawil or tafsir of Ayat. So what you raised is a matter of iktilaf on tawil.

Your problem is sect name, Deobandi. You may be surprised that Deobandis and Salafis are on the same page on some issues. So there is a very tiny line of ideology btw you and Mr. Plumber (jabata's mureedi). He's just crazier. That's all.

caybee007:
To correct you, Ustadh Sarumi practices sufism for a very long time, you can call to ask him. secondly, speaking about aqeedah all the time is not fard ayn but fard kifayah. If other scholars are discussing and I am not it and I do not go against scholars discussing it I am not. I can be a scholar specializing in Fiqh and Akhlaq, and if anyone approaches me for issues of aqeedah, I can refer them to scholars of such. It does not mean I do not have the right aqeedah myself. So lets get that. I am not telling you not to negate as nafiyy is allowed in Islam. What I am saying is call him to correct him, thats sunnah and stop maligning his person by posting all these around. For you to say he is skipping a verse, do you know why? Are you in his heart? Have you called him to confirm he is speaking it because of that? Has he told you he is a deobandi?

that's it. They don't follow Sunnah. They only scream "kitab and Sunnah".

They don't know what they are doing.

thank you bro, some of them dont know how to deal with issues. I ask one who called Menk an innovator whether the bidiah mufti menk does is mukafirah or mufasiqoh he couldnt reply, he just ran away. i repeat when sheikh albany negate the fatawa that kuffar should have a military base in hijaz, did he call those scholars including the mufti of saudi then innovator ask them

Empiree:
can you now see tin line btw your manhaj and his jabata manhaj?. There is striking resemblance. He just say it as it is while you shy away from coming out of closet.

He doesn't believe all other sects are Muslims, period. Likewise you don't believe all other sects are rightly guided unless and until they become salafiya.

So you indirectly say all other sects are hell bound base on your own imaginary "saved sect". And what you said up there about la ilaha (negation) ila Allahu (affirmation), I don't know exactly what you tried to derived from that. Instead you had to come up with Deobandi believe that Allah is not upon His Arsh. This is a matter of tawil not necessarily aqeeda. Every muslim believe Quran exactly has it was revealed. That's how we recite on salat. But that doesn't mean there is no tawil or tafsir of Ayat. So what you raised is a matter of iktilaf on tawil.

Your problem is sect name, Deobandi. You may be surprised that Deobandis and Salafis are on the same page on some issues. So there is a very tiny line of ideology btw you and Mr. Plumber (jabata's mureedi). He's just crazier. That's all.

caybee007:
thank you bro, some of them dont know how to deal with issues. I ask one who called Menk an innovator whether the bidiah mufti menk does is mukafirah or mufasiqoh he couldnt reply, he just ran away. i repeat when sheikh albany negate the fatawa that kuffar should have a military base in hijaz, did he call those scholars including the mufti of saudi then innovator ask them

you dey mind them. They do blind following. It was the same sheikh Albany who gave them incantation.


His student asked him if it is enough in this day and age to call everyone muslim base on different aqeeda?.


The sheikh replied with this incantation'

"Follow kitab and Sunnah upon the understanding of sahaba"

This is how they coined "salafi". Once you say this incantation, you have entered "saved sect". So if other muslims say something that contradict their understanding such muslims are labeled "deviants" or "misguided". As can see, it is the same thing this brother espoused. I'm not new to this. I have been dealing with this stuff now for over 11 years.

They are trained like robot to repeat themselves and to read Quran mechanically with zero intellectual and zero spiritual acumen. Ask them if other sects don't believe in the same "incantation" they shout around?. As if kitab, Sunnah and sahaba are exclusive to Salafis only?. I told him already that every muslim has area they specialize in.

caybee007:
To correct you, Ustadh Sarumi practices sufism for a very long time, you can call to ask him. secondly, speaking about aqeedah all the time is not fard ayn but fard kifayah. If other scholars are discussing and I am not it and I do not go against scholars discussing it I am not. I can be a scholar specializing in Fiqh and Akhlaq, and if anyone approaches me for issues of aqeedah, I can refer them to scholars of such. It does not mean I do not have the right aqeedah myself. So lets get that. I am not telling you not to negate as nafiyy is allowed in Islam. What I am saying is call him to correct him, thats sunnah and stop maligning his person by posting all these around. For you to say he is skipping a verse, do you know why? Are you in his heart? Have you called him to confirm he is speaking it because of that? Has he told you he is a deobandi?

Ma shaa ALLāh

JazaakumuLLāh khairan akhil Kareem. I understand and grab your point perfectly. Are you saying Ustadh sarumi still practice sufiyya after his return from Sudan?

AbdulHakeem44:


Ma shaa ALLāh

JazaakumuLLāh khairan akhil Kareem. I understand and grab your point perfectly. Are you saying Ustadh sarumi still practice sufiyya after his return from Sudan?

and what's wrong with Sufism?. Do you know the meaning at all?.

ustadh sarumi is from the ahlu sunnah. May Allah preserve him and us upon goodness. Allahu Mustaan

AbdulHakeem44:


Ma shaa ALLāh

JazaakumuLLāh khairan akhil Kareem. I understand and grab your point perfectly. Are you saying Ustadh sarumi still practice sufiyya after his return from Sudan?

AbdulHakeem44, Empiree is a hardcore Sufi of the Tijjaniyyah Tariqah. So I don't see the point of this back and forth argument with him, leave him alone to continue to wallow in his arrogance and ignorance.

Demmzy15:
AbdulHakeem44, Emp.iree is a hardcore Sufi of the Tijjaniyyah Tariqah. So I don't see the point of this back and forth argument with him, leave him alone to continue to wallow in his arrogance and ignorance.

swear by Allah that you are sure of this?. If you swear that I am that will settle the score. O ya, please do

AbdulHakeem44:

He belongs to a sect ( Deobandi), ALLAH had warned us not to be divided, but yet, today, Muslims keep creating and joining sect.

If you are a very good listener to mufti menk, you will discover he has some mistakes in his creed e. g not declaring his Manhaj, he so much believes in unity (he do disregard our differences in aqeeda), he hardly speak against the mushrikeen and innovators, 99% of his lectures are on general perspective, he hardly talk about tawheed.

For these reasons, he has many viewers worldwide because he doesn't condemn, he doesn't condemn shias, suffis and other astray sects.

Ohh my God, if truly Mufti Menk is like this, then I am in love with him. I used to think he's one of those Muslim Sunnis always leading other Muslims astray, so far he preaches unity which is peace, and he doesn't condemn others which means he loves peace, then he's a true Muslim. A true Muslim is the one that bears the name Islam which means peace. Anyone who looks for peace in the world is a true Muslim m what does condemnation lead to if not fight, publicly insulting others base on their aqeedas is looking for fights and wars, so anyone who doesn't do that have my full support.

AbdulHakeem44:


Lolxxxxx, does that remove the fact that he is on on the right aqeeda? even Christians do have a successful convention, what is the point?

I just pray you Sunnis wouldn't go and blow him up with bomb just because you don't like him or you think he's against your whatsoever believe

If truly there's a sect that preaches unity, no public condemnation of whatsoever, even I hate publicly condemning Christians. Then am happy because am so so tired of everyone thinking Islam is War. What has condemning offer you if not hatred, wars and fights

^^^ Ignorance of the highest order...


And it's a pity you might think you've said something correct, may Allaah bless us with correct and useful knowledge.

ModestGal:

I just pray you Sunnis wouldn't go and blow him up with bomb just because you don't like him or you think he's against your whatsoever believe

Smiles, we don't do that, that is the way of the khowarij (extremists), by the way are you shii cos it seems you are excluding yourself from sunnah.

AbdulHakeem44:


Smiles, we don't do that, that is the way of the khowarij (extremists), by the way are you shii cos it seems you are excluding yourself from sunnah.

That's the problem with you people, Book haram are SUNNI Muslim, ISIS are SUNNI Muslim, so what the hell are you saying bro? You people are filled with so much hatred that sometimes I imagine if its only negatives that they preach to you or happens around you

Save the argument for yourself bro, I have no interest. Arguments brings no good to me, so keep it for yourself

ModestGal:

Ohh my God, if truly Mufti Menk is like this, then I am in love with him. I used to think he's one of those Muslim Sunnis always leading other Muslims astray, so far he preaches unity which is peace, and he doesn't condemn others which means he loves peace, then he's a true Muslim. A true Muslim is the one that bears the name Islam which means peace. Anyone who looks for peace in the world is a true Muslim m what does condemnation lead to if not fight, publicly insulting others base on their aqeedas is looking for fights and wars, so anyone who doesn't do that have my full support.

Alright ma'am, you are entitled to your opinion. Your reason is exactly why mufti menk has millions of viewers today, he chose not to condemn the bad, with his statement in one of his lectures where he said "every Ustadh makes mistake, choose the good from all of them and leave the bad". This is a very soothing word to an average Muslim, but those who understands Islam perfectly knows that is a very dangerous statement. I am not saying mufti menk is a kafir like one khoriji has been disturbing himself over, he has touched lives if many in positive way, but, his no-condemn ideology is not part of Islam.

ModestGal:

That's the problem with you people, Book haram are SUNNI Muslim, ISIS are SUNNI Muslim, so what the hell are you saying bro? You people are filled with so much hatred that sometimes I imagine if its only negatives that they preach to you or happens around you

Save the argument for yourself bro, I have no interest. Arguments brings no good to me, so keep it for yourself

How are we filled with someone much hatred, can you explain PLS. When a student makes mistakes, it is incumbent upon the teacher to correct the student. if one ustadh makes mistake in the Deen, he is either corrected or refuted, I hope it's not refutation you are calling hate. don't be driven by emotions, learn the Deen.

Am not arguing with you at Al or whatsoever, I had to correct your misconceptions, that's it.

AbdulHakeem44:


Alright ma'am, you are entitled to your opinion. Your reason is exactly why mufti menk has millions of viewers today, he chose not to condemn the bad, with his statement in one of his lectures where he said "every Ustadh makes mistake, choose the good from all of them and leave the bad". This is a very soothing word to an average Muslim, but those who understands Islam perfectly knows that is a very dangerous statement. I am not saying mufti menk is a kafir like one khoriji has been disturbing himself over, he has touched lives if many in positive way, but, his no-condemn ideology is not part of Islam.

Please to all Sheikhs, Ustadhs, Alfas condemning other people, religions, believes ,how has that add a tiny bit of good to Islam? all it has added to Islam is WAR, Hatred, Bombs and all. I am not a party of that, and I won't ever be a party to that. Check all around the world everyone who is not a Muslim believe Muslim is filled with the spirit of fights and War and why wouldn't they when that is what Muslims does all around the world, they fight,kill,bomb each other on top aqeeda.

AbdulHakeem44:


How are we filled with someone much hatred, can you explain PLS. When a student makes mistakes, it is incumbent upon the teacher to correct the student. if one ustadh makes mistake in the Deen, he is either corrected or refuted, I hope it's not refutation you are calling hate. don't be driven by emotions, learn the Deen.

Am not arguing with you at Al or whatsoever, I had to correct your misconceptions, that's it.

Am not referring to any particular sect, am only referring to those of you who preaches hatred and all.

ModestGal:

Ohh my God, if truly Mufti Menk is like this, then I am in love with him. I used to think he's one of those Muslim Sunnis always leading other Muslims astray, so far he preaches unity which is peace, and he doesn't condemn others which means he loves peace, then he's a true Muslim. A true Muslim is the one that bears the name Islam which means peace. Anyone who looks for peace in the world is a true Muslim m what does condemnation lead to if not fight, publicly insulting others base on their aqeedas is looking for fights and wars, so anyone who doesn't do that have my full support.

tell them sister, tell them.

ModestGal:

Am not referring to any particular sect, am only referring to those of you who preaches hatred and all.

This is why it is good one need to know the aqeeda, there is concept of Al Walaa wa bara'a (loving and hating for the sake of ALLāh). You can't love ALLAH and love HIS enemies at the same time, you can't love the religion of ALLāh and love it's haters, you can't love the religion of ALLāh and love those who seek to destroy it. That is what they preach, it is a matter of aqeeda that ur Alfa cannot deny unless you want to live in denial. So what is the hatred preached.

AbdulHakeem44:


but, his no-condemn ideology is not part of Islam.

Like what, what and what?